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Title: The Veterans Disarmament Act -HR 2640, section 102 HAS "PASSED" IN THE HOUSE
Source: email
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Published: Oct 13, 2007
Author: ?
Post Date: 2007-10-13 05:58:22 by freepatriot32
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Keywords: HR 2640, gun control, 2cd amendment
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Here is a copy of the first article I read, but I will address what I found out from Senators Boxers office and Sen. Fienstiens office today (10/11/07). I know this has been posted here before, BUT, it has now PASSED in Congress!

Read on:

Veterans Disarmament Act To Bar Vets From Owning Guns Larry Pratt

Sunday September 23, 2007

Hundreds of thousands of veterans -- from Vietnam through Operation Iraqi Freedom -- are at risk of being banned from buying firearms if legislation that is pending in Congress gets enacted.

How? The Veterans Disarmament Act -- which has already passed the House -- would place any veteran who has ever been diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) on the federal gun ban list.

This is exactly what President Bill Clinton did over seven years ago when his administration illegitimately added some 83,000 veterans into the National Criminal Information System (NICS system) -- prohibiting them from purchasing firearms, simply because of afflictions like PTSD.

The proposed ban is actually broader. Anyone who is diagnosed as being a tiny danger to himself or others would have his gun rights taken away ... forever. It is section 102((1)©(iv) in HR 2640 that provides for dumping raw medical records into the system.

Those names -- like the 83,000 records mentioned above -- will then, by law, serve as the basis for gun banning.

No wonder the Military Order of the Purple Heart is opposed to this legislation. The House bill, HR 2640, is being sponsored by one of the most flaming anti-Second Amendment Representatives in Congress: Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY).

Another liberal anti-gunner, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), is sponsoring the bill in the Senate.

Proponents of the bill say that helpful amendments have been made so that any veteran who gets his name on the NICS list can seek an expungement.

But whenever you talk about expunging names from the Brady NICS system, you're talking about a procedure that has always been a long shot. Right now, there are NO EXPUNGEMENTS of law-abiding Americans' names that are taking place under federal level.

Why? Because the expungement process which already exists has been blocked for over a decade by a "funds cut-off" engineered by another anti-gunner, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY).

So how will this bill make things even worse?

Well, two legal terms are radically redefined in the Veterans Disarmament Act to carry out this vicious attack on Veterans' gun rights.

One term relates to who is classified a "mental defective." Forty years ago that term meant one was adjudicated "not guilty" in a court of law by reason of insanity. But under the Veterans Disarmament Act, "mental defective" has been stretched to include anyone whom a psychiatrist determines might be a tiny danger to self or others.

The second term is "adjudicate." In the past, one could only lose one's gun rights through an adjudication by a judge, magistrate or court -- meaning conviction after a trial. Adjudication could only occur in a court with all the protections of due process, including the right to face one's accuser.

Now, adjudication in HR 2640 would include a finding by "a court, commission, committee or other authorized person" (namely, a psychiatrist).

Forget the fact that people with PTSD have the same violent crime rate as the rest of us. Vietnam vets with PTSD have had careers and obtained permits to carry firearms concealed.

It will now be enough for a psychiatric diagnosis (a "determination" in the language of the bill) to get a veteran barred ­for life ­ from owning guns.

Think of what this bill would do to veterans. If a robber grabs your wallet and takes everything in it, but gives you back $5 to take the bus home, would you call that a financial enhancement? If not, then we should not let HR 2640 supporters call the permission to seek an expungement an enhancement, when prior to this bill, veterans could not legitimately be denied their gun rights after being diagnosed with PTSD.

Veterans with PTSD should not be put in a position to seek an expungement. They have not been convicted (after a trial with due process) of doing anything wrong.

If a veteran is thought to be a threat to self or others, there should be a real trial, not an opinion (called a diagnosis) by a psychiatrist.

If members of Congress do not hear from soldiers (active duty and retired) in large numbers, along with the rest of the public, the Veterans Disarmament Act -- misleadingly titled by Rep. McCarthy as the NICS Improvement Amendments Act -- will send this message to veterans: "No good deed goes unpunished." Subscribe to *libertarians*

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#1. To: ChareltonHest (#0)

ping

Why settle for the lesser of two evils, vote Cthulhu!

freepatriot32  posted on  2007-10-13   6:00:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: freepatriot32 (#0)

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA

BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE GREATEST GENERATION OF TRAITORS THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN!!!

HOORAY FOR THE BOOMERS!!! THEY'LL FIX ALL OUR PROBLEMS!!! HOORAY FOR THE TRAITORS TO AMERICA!!!

ALL of you who have served, all of those who have died, DIED FOR THIS ADMINISTRATION TO BETRAY YOU ALL.

Your government has betrayed you. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAH AND YOU FUCKING DESERVE IT TOO!!!

I am so glad that they passed this bill without so much as a whimper from the NRA. This bill passing, is exactly what the people of this country deserved for their complacency, their trust, and of course, their servitude.

First the so called unstable vets, NEXT!!! THE REST OF YOU LAPDOGS!!!

Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2007-10-13   9:45:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: freepatriot32 (#0)

H.R.2640
Title: To improve the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep McCarthy, Carolyn [NY-4] (introduced 6/11/2007) Cosponsors (17)
Related Bills: H.R.297
Latest Major Action: 6/14/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Received in the Senate and Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.

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SUMMARY AS OF:
6/13/2007--Passed House without amendment. (There is 1 other summary)

(This measure has not been amended since it was introduced. The summary has been expanded because action occurred on the measure.)

NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007 - Title I: Transmittal of Records - (Sec. 101) Amends the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to: (1) authorize the Attorney General to obtain electronic versions of information from federal agencies on persons disqualified from receiving firearms; (2) require federal agencies to provide such information to the Attorney General, not less frequently than quarterly; and (3) require federal agencies to update, correct, modify, or remove obsolete records and notify the Attorney General of such action to keep the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) up to date. Requires the Attorney General to submit annual reports to Congress on the compliance of federal agencies with such reporting requirements.

Requires the Secretary of Homeland Security to provide the Attorney General, not less than quarterly, information for determining whether a person is disqualified under the federal criminal code from possessing or receiving a firearm for use in NICS background checks.

Requires the Attorney General to: (1) ensure that all NICS information received from federal agencies is kept accurate and confidential; (2) provide for the removal and destruction of obsolete and erroneous names and information from the NICS; and (3) work with states to encourage the development of computer systems for notifying the Attorney General when a court order has been issued or removed or a person has been adjudicated as mentally defective or committed to a mental institution.

Prohibits federal agencies from providing a person's mental health or commitment information to the Attorney General if: (1) such information has been set aside or expunged or the person involved has been fully released or discharged from all mandatory treatment, supervision, or monitoring; (2) the person has been found to no longer suffer from a mental health condition or has been found to be rehabilitated; or (3) the person has not been found to be a danger to himself or others or the person lacks the mental capacity to manage his own affairs.

(Sec. 102) Grants states a two-year waiver of the matching fund requirement (10%) for criminal justice identification grants if such states provide at least 90% of the information required to be transmitted to the NICS under this Act. Requires states to provide reasonable estimates of the number of records transmitted to the NICS for purposes of granting such waiver.

Requires states to make electronically available to the Attorney General records relating to persons: (1) t disqualified from possessing or receiving a firearm; (2) convicted of misdemeanor crimes of domestic violence; and (3) adjudicated as mentally defective or committed to mental institutions. Requires states to update, correct, modify, or remove obsolete records in the NICS.

Requires the Attorney General to: (1) establish regulations and protocols to protect the privacy of information in the NICS; and (2) report annually to the Judiciary Committees of Congress on the progress of states in automating criminal records databases and making such data available to the Attorney General.

(Sec. 103) Requires the Attorney General to make grants to states and Indian tribal governments to establish or upgrade information and identification technologies for firearms eligibility determinations. Allows up to 5% of grant funding for Indian tribal governments, including tribal judicial systems. Specifies allowable uses of grant funds. Authorizes appropriations for FY2008- FY2010.

Prohibits the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) from charging user fees for NICS background checks.

(Sec. 104) Requires the Attorney General to submit to the Judiciary Committees of Congress an annual report on the progress of states in automating databases of information for transmittal to the NICS. Authorizes appropriations.

Provides for discretionary and mandatory penalties for states that fail to provide information required by this Act. Allows a waiver of such penalties for states that provide substantial evidence of reasonable efforts to comply with requirements for providing information.

(Sec. 105) Requires states, as a condition of grant eligibility, to establish procedures to allow persons with disabilities relating to mental health status or commitment to obtain relief from such disabilities for purposes of firearms eligibility. Requires states to allow de novo review in state courts of denials of relief.

Title II: Focusing Federal Assistance on the Improvement of Relevant Records - Requires the Director of the Bureau of Justice Statistics to: (1) study and evaluate the operations of the NICS; and (2) report to Congress annually on state estimates of records transmitted to the NICS and on best practices of states for handling information to be transmitted to the NICS.

Authorizes appropriations for FY2008-FY2010.

Title III: Grants to State Court Systems for the Improvement in Automation and Transmittal of Disposition Records - Requires the Attorney General to make grants to states and Indian tribal governments for use by state and tribal court systems to improve the automation and transmittal of criminal history dispositions and records and mental health adjudications or commitments to federal and state record repositories. Authorizes appropriations for FY2008- FY2010.

Title IV: GAO Audit - Requires the Comptroller General to audit expenditures for criminal records improvement under the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to determine if such expenditures were made in accordance with such Act and to report to Congress on the findings of such audit.


"every time government grows it is at the expense of personal liberty" - Ron Paul
"I see the Constitution as being written precisely for one purpose -- to restrain the power of government; never to restrain the people" - Ron Paul

farmfriend  posted on  2007-10-13   21:10:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: farmfriend, freepatriot32 (#3)

(3) adjudicated as mentally defective or committed to mental institutions.

Why is this called the VETERANS Disarmament Act? That must be a red herring. This is an attack on ALL of us, because the above can be applied to ANY of us at any time.

Once this is passed they can pass another law that says anyone who believes in conspiracies is a mental defective, or anyone who is "homophobic" or (gasp) "anti-Semitic", and with the illegal data mining they have been doing, their list will be a long one. Weren't there 350,000 bloggers who were on the terrorist list or some such thing? We at 4um will ALL be on their list of mental defectives. They are moving in for the kill with this one. First they ban the guns, then they begin their genocide:

"Where self-defense is restricted, to the same degree survival is also restricted. If a certain class of people is denied the right to defend itself, then that class will die off. This is called “genocide.”

ALL ACTS OF GENOCIDE ARE PRECEDED BY GOVERNMENT RESTRICTIONS OF PERSONAL WEAPONS.

Not one time in the history of this planet have mass murders occurred without the above axiom occurring first. Here's a small list of the deaths attributed directly to a government restriction on personal ownership of weapons and the ability to defend oneself:

1.5 million Armenians, 3 million Ukrainians, 6 million (?) Jews, 250,000 Gypsies, 6 million Slavs, 25 million Russians, 25 million Chinese, 1 million Ibos, 1.5 million Bengalis, 200,000 Guatemalans, 1.7 million Cambodians, 500,000 Indonesians, 200,000 East Timorese, 250,000 Burundians, 500,000 Ugandans, 2 million Sudanese, 800,000 Rwandans, 2 million North Koreans, 10,000 Kosovars. ( www.genocidewatch.org/iceg/background.htm)

And we're still counting...."

Idaho Observer: Gun Control = Genocide

www.proliberty.com/observer/20020318.htm

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA -- ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the state." - Heinrich Himmler.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-10-14   0:18:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Horse, lodwick, Zoroaster, JiminyC, All (#4)

(3) adjudicated as mentally defective or committed to mental institutions.

Why is this called the VETERANS Disarmament Act? That must be a red herring. This is an attack on ALL of us, because the above can be applied to ANY of us at any time.

Once this is passed they can pass another law that says anyone who believes in conspiracies is a mental defective, or anyone who is "homophobic" or (gasp) "anti-Semitic", and with the illegal data mining they have been doing, their list will be a long one. Weren't there 350,000 bloggers who were on the terrorist list or some such thing? We at 4um will ALL be on their list of mental defectives. They are moving in for the kill with this one. First they ban the guns, then they begin their genocide:

oh, I guess they already did this:

"...ADL is getting tough against American critics of Israel and ADL's anti-Christian agenda. They anticipate exponential power as enforcers of a federal hate crimes gestapo in our nation, just as they enjoy in Canada. This attack on me helps prepare the public for criminalization, not just of Holocaust reductionists (who've been jailed under ADL's German and Austrian hate laws) but for imprisonment of American violators of hate crimes laws -- those whom Sen. Kennedy recently described as "domestic terrorists."

Once alleged "terrorists" like me are out of the way, mainstream evangelical leaders and pastors will follow us to prison. Hate crime laws' ultimate goal is to silence all Christians. The federal hate law says that anyone who "aids, abets, counsels" an ****unstable person -whether by pulpit, talk radio, or publishing - and motivates him to do violence to a member of a federally protected group (such as a Jew or homosexual) shall be punished equally as a federal "hate criminal" alongside the active offender (Title 18, U.S.C. Sec. 2a). ADL's pending British hate bill stipulates that anyone who helps create a climate of criticism of homosexuality will receive seven years in prison. 1 Soon the Bible itself and all effective preaching from it will be criminalized as "hate speech" that incites violence! "

My Response To The ADL Attacks On Me By Rev. Ted Pike 10-11-7

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=63843

I guess they will be drumming up some more "unstable persons":

The V-Tech massacre - A real-life Manchurian Candidate

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=6409

"....Zionists Are Clamoring For Gun Confiscation

Basically, the Zionists don't want any guns around after they collapse the economy. Their campaign is for total gun control......"

judicial-inc.biz/v.irginia_tech_massacre_occurred.htm

"...Now, It appears that there may be an accomplice in the latest massacre in the all mighty US of A, courtesy of an ongoing zionist attempt for gun control which is responsible for all school massacres to date.

See reference;

Columbine Massacre: judicial-inc.biz/columbine_killers.htm

Port Arthur Massacre: judicial-inc.biz/port_arthur_massacre.htm

Pearl High School massacre: judicial-inc.biz/Pearl_High.htm

Red Lake Massacre: judicial-inc.biz/Red_Lake_Massacre.htm "

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Fortress Americas, Part 1 Ben Gurion’s Ultimate “One True Zion”

"...even as the first Jewish State was being formally declared in 1948, the arrogant Ben Gurion made it very clear that Palestine was not to be the one true Zion. Despite continual frantic urgings by religious Jews, he insisted that this first conquest be called “Yisrael”, and that its citizens, be they Jewish or not, would forever be called “Yisraelim”.

The final Zion, or Promised Land, would be determined by raw wealth and power rather than by mere religious symbolism. While intentionally leaking “false Zions” including Australia and Argentina to the media, Ben Gurion and his Zionist cohorts ultimately intended to overrun and capture the Americas The problem was that back in 1948 they had no real power, and would have been easily overwhelmed by the vast resources of the U.S. Military in particular. So conquest of the “one true Zion” was to be a long drawn-out game, with Zionists lobbies in America gradually eating away at the fabric of society. Then, when resistance in the Americas was eventually undermined to a predetermined level, it would be time to strike militarily. Believe me, that time is now very close....."

"...As most readers are already aware, Ben Gurion’s “Yisrael” has absolutely nothing to do with Jewish religious heritage, or the “right of return” to a homeland claimed solely on the basis of unprovable religious babble. Certainly thousands of religious fanatics bang their heads against a stone wall below the al-Aqsâ Mosque in Jerusalem every day, but they are only there to provide local color for the media cameras. Yisrael was and is to the Zionists what Omaha Beach was to the Americans during World War II - merely a beachhead from which to launch deep penetrating attacks into enemy territory to the east, ultimately to Abadan and beyond, thereby securing the incredibly rich crude oil reserves of the Middle East. Those oil riches would then in turn arm and equip the new Zionists legions need to move on to their ultimate target, the one true Zion called the Americas.

The problem was that countries like Britain and Russia kept getting in the way of these covert ambitions. In the very beginning, the British tried to keep these Zionist terrorists out of Palestine but were eventually outvoted by the new powerful America, which dutifully bleated time and again that, “The Jews must have a home land”....."

Fortress Americas, Part 1 Ben Gurion’s Ultimate “One True Zion”

Copyright Joe Vialls, 14 December 2003

www.vialls.com/myahudi/fortress1.html

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"....Before delving any further into the detailed contingencies for Fortress Americas, it is necessary to briefly review the overall scope and sheer audacity of the Zionist plan, because this is the only way of understanding what comes next. In essence, the entire American continent, from Inuvik in northern Canada to the southern tip of Tierra Del Fuego, is to be invaded and captured for Zionist use, with the cabal exercising central command and control from New York City, currently located in the much smaller United States of America. Within this new massive fortress, the USA will be the focal point of all significant economic activities, with Canada and the former countries of Latin and South America providing the bulk of natural resources and cheap labor.

Initial military activity will consist of approximately 250,000 Mistaravim-trained Yisraelim terrorists entering the Americas by land, sea and air, thereafter splitting into cells of between four and six men, every one of them coordinated internally by various designated lodges of the B'nai B'rith Masonic order. At the same time, a further smaller block of 10,000 Yisraelim terrorists will enter Australia in order to capture and hold strategic mineral reserves, though this is an entirely separate operation that will not impact directly on the Americas. Beyond that point, strategic planning calls for the U.S. military to obey the orders of the Zionist cabal through its Yisraelim commanders, and then be used in turn as a blunt instrument to enforce 'order' across the new Fortress Americas. ....."

"....Detailed preparations for discreet biological warfare against the US Military were made in the late eighties, with Zionist-controlled pharmaceutical corporations developing a very special slow-acting and debilitating vaccine. In 1990 a "war with Iraq" was miraculously arranged by George Bush Senior, with more than half a million American servicemen then forcibly inoculated with the biological toxin during a six month period. The prime reason for this was quite simple. The Yisraelim were not keen to face a hardened and very experienced US military when the time came to invade the Americas, so took pre-emptive action.

Nowadays so many highly experienced American servicemen have died, or been permanently incapacitated by this biological warfare, that the token defense of the Americas will be left in the hands of rookies, reservists, and various American militia. None promises to be much of a match for the hundreds of blooded and highly-trained Yisraelim terrorist cells.

"...on 23 October the Zionists detonated two Dimona micro nukes outside the American and French marine barracks in Beirut, killing 241 and 58 soldiers respectively. The multinational peace keeping force swiftly retreated, leaving the Lebanese people as live targets for Mistaravim and other Zionist kill-teams wishing to hone their lethal skills.

This was the first documented use of Yisraeli micro nukes outside Palestine, but it was not to be the last. Most notable of the new low-radiation micro nukes used overseas during later years for practice, reprisals and covert operations, were three detonated in London and a fourth in Bali. Intelligence received in 2003 indicates that Dimona has so far manufactured in excess of 600 of these exotic weapons. Most micro nukes remain in Palestine, though ***** 220 have allegedly been pre-positioned in North and South America, with a further six deployed to Western Australia. [**** maybe that is why it was leaked that one rogue nuke has gone missing....as a cover!.....By Deception Thou Shalt Do War.]

The notion of a 'general climate conducive to gun control' was really only icing on the cake, designed to minimize the level of risk to Yisraeli terrorists from American and other civilians. In this venture the Yisraelis found amazingly helpful allies among the political 'left wing' of the west. Every time a Mistaravim special forces team carried out a "gun massacre" in places as far removed as Scotland and Australia, literally thousands of lefties joined the media clamor for "gun control", thereby actively helping to remove the only real form of defense they had against Yisraeli terrorists in the future. Do not ask me why this is, but I imagine Sigmund Freud would babble on for hours about guns being "phallic symbols" that "frighten civilized people". Maybe so, but a semi-automatic weapon in your house is, in my view, preferable to later sharing the same terrible fate as the poor souls at Sabra and Shatilla.

Naturally the Yisraeli terrorists can only hope to remove a tiny fraction of America's civilian weapons in this way, and therefore already have detailed plans in place for dealing with the Militias and others who might dare to defiantly stand in the way of their imperial conquest. B'nai B'rith [Anti-Defamation League] has already updated its own super computers with the profiles of all American militia groups, right-wing 'patriotic' activists, and any one else who it is deemed may cause the Zionist cabal problems at a later, including those American Jews who are opposed to the concept of Zion itself.....

Unless suitable precautions are taken in advance, all Americans in these categories will only ever see a Yisraeli terrorist once, and then only for the three milliseconds it takes for an expanding high velocity .223 Remington bullet to travel from the muzzle of the sawn-off terrorist M-16, and ride a dazzling red laser beam to a spot directly between their eyes. Death for male activists will therefore be mercifully swift, unlike the degrading fate in store for their mothers, wives, girlfriends, and any female children....."

Fortress Americas, Part 2 "Yisraelim [GOG AND MAGOG] Prepare for the Invasion of America [TRUE ISRAEL]" [Ezekiel 38-39]

Copyright Joe Vialls, 22 January 2004

www.vialls.com/myahudi/fortress2.html

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze038.html

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze039.html

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev020.html#9

more pieces of the puzzle: http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=63826&Disp=5#C5

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some related articles, that I think have "expired"

" Woodham missing-link

Pearl and Littleton added to tie between Washington and Tel Aviv.... Conversion to Judaism saves anarchist Justin Sledge

WASHINGTON - When it was discovered that the ancestors of Colorado-shooter Dylan Klebold had been Jewish immigrants from Russia, Nationalists called for an investigation into what they said could be a "vast, left-wing conspiracy." They pointed to a list of three-dozen groups, whose leaders all had bloodline-ties to Klebold, engaged in murder, anarchy, conspiracy and assassination. They, also, observed that shooters who had gone on high-school rampages all had Jewish-sounding surnames, such as T. J. Solomon in Georgia, Kipland Kinkel in Oregon and Andrew Golden in Arkansas.

News reports had initially claimed that Klebold had been a "white supremacist" and cries had gone up to round up right-wingers, confiscate guns and shut down the First-Amendment. But, media outcries stopped when Klebold's back ground, as well as the shooter's obsession with anarchist, Satanist and Semitic sites on the Internet, came to light. Release of the secret Congressional-hearings of the late Senator Joseph McCarthy, probing into the Fifties' Communist underground, once again raised questions of whether the progeny of those "blacklisted" by the House Un-American Activities Committee as Red conspirators, such as Abraham Polonsky, Herbert Biberman, Albert Maltz and Sam Ornitz, were still involved in subversion.

Luke Woodham, the Mississippi high-school shooter, did not seem to fit the Klebold "mold." But recent disclosures have fitted even the last key piece together, revealing Woodham's anarchist cohort as the "missing-link." The mastermind of the Pearl High School shootings had actually been Justin Sledge, a companion of Woodham who kept the Anarchist Cookbook at his bedside, where it was found by police, and who exchanged anarchist, Communist and Satanist writings with Woodham. Authorities, also, uncovered napalm-making chemicals in a trunk in Sledge's bedroom.

Charges dropped

Charges were dropped against Sledge, whose group was known as The Kroth, even though Sledge had gone on television to defend Woodham. It was only later, when Sledge was found in possession of an unlawful machine-gun, that the conspirator's "spiritual" ties to Klebold came out. Sledge admitted in court, at his sentencing for firearms' violations, that he was a "convert to Judaism." In response to the bombshell disclosure, federal judge William Barbour, a Republican activist and millionaire, announced that Sledge's sentence would be reduced to just four months and praised Sledge for being "brilliant" and deserving of a "break."

On exiting the courtroom, Sledge lifted his right hand, giving the clenched-fist, Communist salute. Observers wondered why a man, convicted of possession of a machine gun, linked to the murder of three people, would receive a few months in jail, when those burning a cross were receiving seven, ten and, even, fourteen years in prison. And, why would a "conversion" to Judaism be so pivotal in having the sentence reduced? The question reinforces the **** claim by Congressman James Moran that forces in both Tel Aviv and Washington have an eerie "tie that binds," to which Pearl and Littleton have now been added. "

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David I. Schoen

The efforts of a white supremacist are to cause me pain and aggravation. Israeli Lobby upset with "defamation-league" label

DENVER - No sooner had a Colorado federal appellate-court upheld a $9.75 million judgment for libel against the Jewish Anti-Defamation League than Nationalists dubbed the Israeli Lobby the "Jewish Defamation League." The ADL had been found guilty of defaming and tapping the telephone of Denver couple William and Dorothy Quigley. However, David I. Schoen immediately fired back, accusing the editor of All The Way, which had published the ADL-description, of being a "hater." The pro-majority newspaper had called for halting aid to Israel and supported comments by Congressman James Moran, who complained that the war on Iraq was instigated by the Jewish community.

In a letter made public by a Jew in Mississippi, Schoen, who resides in Alabama, stated that Richard Barrett, who coined the term Jewish Defamation League, is "driven first and foremost by racial and religious hatred." Schoen charged that Barrett's "motivation would appear to arise from his world view ... of my racial-religious inferiority." Barrett said that he objected to the "detestable and unlawful defamatory tactics" of the ADL. The ADL had instigated criminal charges against the Quigleys for "hate," which were eventually dropped when the homeowners sued the Israeli Lobby and authorities dismissed the criminal complaint as completely bogus.

The City of York, Pennsylvania had, also, adopted the ADL-sponsored No Place For Hate campaign, which, according to Councilman Joe Musso, was designed to run Nationalists out of town. After the Nationalists won a lawsuit against York, the city dumped the project. all of his life. Schoen, who describes himself in his attack as a "Zionist Jew," boasts that he has conducted an "investigation" of Barrett and "learned a great deal more about him." Schoen claims that Barrett is a "white supremacist" who has "strong credentials" as a "Jew-hater," the same charge which was levied against the Quigleys, but without providing any details. The ADL has posted a webpage denominating Barrett among its top-twenty most-hated political-activists.

Not normal [note: i.e., "mental defectives"]

Schoen concludes that his opponents are not normal, saying that "it would be difficult to imagine the motivation for a *** normal person." According to the Jewish News of Greater Phoenix, the Denver jury assessed $9 million as punitive damages against the ADL, which has holdings of $30 million, in order to "teach the league a lesson." The Jefferson County, Colorado district attorney, who charged the Quigleys with "criminal ethnic intimidation," apologized and paid the Quigleys $75,000.00 in separate damages.

Schoen, apparently, however, has not been "taught a lesson." Schoen alleges that he objects to "the efforts of a racist white supremacist" to "cause me pain and aggravation solely because of my race/religion and his views on the same." Meanwhile, a Rabbi has called for abolition of freedom-of-speech, in order to halt critics of the Israeli Lobby. According to Rabbi Mendy Kivman of Massachusetts, quoted in the Milford Daily News, "The police should look for a legal excuse to lock them up even if it's protected under the First Amendment."

both articles: All the Way - June 2003

http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2003/060101.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-10-14   18:04:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: All (#5)

Another liberal anti-gunner, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), is sponsoring the bill in the Senate.

Another thing....what's up with that??? I was just starting to like the guy...one of the few fighting Bush. Vermont, with its long winters, is known for having depressed people, and has been taken over by rich Jews, liberals, communists, pschyopsychiatrists and the like. Where are those Green Mountain boys while Leahy is selling their gun rights down the river?

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-10-14   18:11:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-10-14   18:32:11 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#5)

The federal hate law says that anyone who "aids, abets, counsels" an ****unstable person -whether by pulpit, talk radio, or publishing - and motivates him to do violence to a member of a federally protected group (such as a Jew or homosexual) shall be punished equally as a federal "hate criminal" alongside the active offender (Title 18, U.S.C. Sec. 2a). ADL's pending British hate bill stipulates that anyone who helps create a climate of criticism of homosexuality will receive seven years in prison. 1 Soon the Bible itself and all effective preaching from it will be criminalized as "hate speech" that incites violence! "

My Response To The ADL Attacks On Me By Rev. Ted Pike 10-11-7

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=63843 I guess they will be drumming up some more "unstable persons":

"...We may have to repeat the grim days of World War II, when we were forced to let the Hitlerite bandits sacrifice some of our people, in order that we may have adequate documentation and witnesses to legally justify our trial and execution of the leaders of America and Russia as war criminals, after we have dictated the peace. I am sure you will need little preparation for such a duty, for sacrifice has always been the watchword of our people, and the death of a few thousand lesser Jews in exchange for world leadership is indeed a small price to pay....."

Full Speech Of Rabbi Rabbinovitch Found www.rense.com/general45/full.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-10-14   18:39:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ferret Mike (#7)

Eze 34:16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up [that which was] broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Eze/34/16.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-10-14   18:46:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9)

I will feed them with judgment.

We are back to the olde days, when the horse could no longer pull the wagon he was shot. NO turning out to green pastures.

Veterans were and are expendable.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-10-14   18:48:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#10)

...but a lot of them still have their guns, and know how to use them.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-10-14   18:57:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#11)

...but a lot of them still have their guns, and know how to use them.

Look for one of them to gun down some government office full of drones and then the hammer will fall.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-10-14   18:59:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#12)

I was thinking more on the line of "when they pry them out of my cold dead hands"

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-10-14   19:09:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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