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Title: One More 'Moral Value': Fighting Poverty
Source: New York Times
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/30/p ... 0&en=6594df7ee5166d71&ei=5043&
Published: Jan 30, 2005
Author: JOHN LELAND
Post Date: 2005-01-30 13:59:55 by dee_cee
Keywords: Value:, Moral, Fighting
Views: 4866
Comments: 11

[D] uring the inaugural festivities in Washington this month, three evangelical Christian groups sponsored a black-tie "Values Victory Dinner," where they celebrated the electoral strength of "moral values" as a factor in the campaign. In the shorthand of postelection polls and analysis, that meant opposition to abortion, gay marriage and stem cell research.

But many religious leaders, including some evangelicals, think the current focus on moral values has created a platform to talk about other issues, especially poverty, as both political and moral concerns. "The good news about the bad news was that the spin doctors, whether they got it right or wrong, have said that values are so important to our political system," said Robert Edgar, general secretary of the National Council of Churches, an association of liberal denominations that represents more than 100,000 congregations. "They've given an opportunity for us to say, 'We're people of faith, too, and we're going to talk about what the Bible says about poverty.' When nine million children are living in poverty, that's a moral value."

Mr. Edgar and other religious leaders across the theological spectrum are trying to shift the debate. Last week, Mr. Edgar announced an ecumenical summit meeting, sponsored or supported by more than 30 religious groups, to promote world peace and the elimination of global poverty.

Evangelical organizations, whose views were often stereotyped after the election, are also seeking a broader definition of moral values. "We've let not evangelicals, but the right wing determine what moral values are," said David J. Frenchak, president of the Seminary Consortium for Urban Pastoral Education, a nondenominational group that helps develop urban ministry programs at 12 seminaries or divinity schools around the country.

In Chicago last weekend, Dr. Frenchak joined a gathering of 20 Christians, mostly evangelicals, to produce a book defining moral values to include a focus on poverty. At the meeting, one man held up a Bible from which he had cut every verse that addressed poverty. "There was hardly anything left," Dr. Frenchak said. "He said, 'I challenge anyone in the room to take their Bible and cut out every verse about abortion or gay marriage, and we'll compare Bibles.' "

Dr. Frenchak said he had been involved in more conversations about moral values in the past two months than ever before. "We meet to discuss how poverty got left out of the discussion of moral values. The question is, 'How do we talk about what we do as a moral value, rather than as an assumed good?' I don't think a day goes by that I don't get some communication about rethinking an understanding of moral values."

In postelection analyses, "values voters" were often equated with evangelical Christians, just as "values" were equated with opposition to abortion and gay marriage. But evangelical churches and seminaries have become increasingly mobilized around poverty both in the United States and abroad.

"This is the great secret story," said Jim Wallis, a progressive evangelical who runs Sojourners magazine and Call to Renewal, a network of religious groups committed to combating poverty.

"The perception of evangelicals is that all they care about is abortion and gay marriage, but it isn't true," he said. "It hasn't been for years."

Mr. Wallis has long tried to assemble a coalition of progressive or moderate evangelicals and Roman Catholics with mainline Protestant organizations on moral issues like poverty. Though his voice has sometimes been a lonely one, his new book, "God's Politics: Why the Right Gets It Wrong and the Left Doesn't Get It," enters the New York Times best-seller list this week at No. 11. Mr. Wallis, Dr. Edgar and other religious leaders, including Rabbi David Saperstein, director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, met with Democratic members of Congress to advise them on how Democrats could inject their faith and moral values into discussions of their policies, including those intended to help the poor.

"There's serious new common ground to explore on poverty, across theological and political lines," Mr. Wallis said. "Poverty is front and center, and not just among mainline Protestants, but at Fuller and Wheaton," he added, naming two of the nation's largest evangelical schools.

Glen E. Stassen, a professor of Christian ethics at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif., said his students, who were largely conservative, agreed that poverty should be part of the moral values discussion.

"A lot of Christians who are worried about abortion see poverty as a pro-life issue, because if you undermine the safety net for poor mothers, you'll increase the abortion rate and infant mortality rate," Dr. Stassen said. "We've seen that happen since welfare reform, just as the Catholic bishops predicted."

Dr. Stassen, who describes himself as "pro-life," added that many evangelicals, including his students, want to change the current moral values rhetoric because they think it drives people from, rather than to, the church. "They're both offended and worried that it will persuade people concerned about justice that they should not be Christians," he said.

At Union Theological Seminary in New York City, a liberal school, students this year developed a nine-day course called the Poverty Immersion Experience to provide a practical grounding for the moral values discussion.

"How do you preach on poverty?" said Amy Gopp, one of the students who developed the course. "People rely on theological apathy - 'The poor will always be with us' - things that don't demand that we do anything."

On a blustery January morning, Ms. Gopp and 10 classmates piled into a rented van to meet with a group of formerly homeless people in northeast Philadelphia who had organized to protest their condition.

The intent of the course is to get students to think "beyond the soup kitchen" or charity work and consider how religious institutions can address the underlying structure of poverty, said Willie Baptist, who is a scholar-in-residence at the seminary. A community activist and organizer, Mr. Baptist had been homeless in this Philadelphia neighborhood. "We're not just crying crocodile tears about poverty or singing 'Kumbaya,' " he said. "We're making contact with an organized section of the poor that's doing something about poverty."

The students visited neighborhoods where drugs are sold on street corners. They met a woman who described her experiences living in a tent city, including bathing her children in water from a hydrant. The woman is now on the staff at the Kensington Welfare Rights Union, an organization started by poor people in the neighborhood to call attention to their plight.

For some of the students, it was their first close look at urban poverty. "I've done academic work on poverty, but here is a chance to meet poor people firsthand," said Paul Gremier, 23, who said he might use his education to become a minister, a social worker or a professor.

On the ride back to New York, Ted Pardoe, a former Wall Street executive, said the trip had given him ideas about ways to work with the poor through not-for-profit agencies. "Yesterday I was skeptical about reality tours," Mr. Pardoe said. "Now I'm not skeptical at all. Each person we met was more impressive than the one before."

There was little discussion of God or church on the trip, but lots of talk about values and responsibility. Andrea Metcalfe, who is studying to become a Lutheran minister, said she was frustrated that the issue of poverty had received so little attention in all the recent talk about values and voting. Ms. Metcalfe blamed a reticence among liberals to connect their faith publicly with their actions.

"There's this tendency for liberals to say, 'We don't want anything to do with mixing church and politics,' " Ms. Metcalfe said. As a result, she said, liberal Christians and their concerns have not entered the values debate.

Elizabeth Theoharis, a doctoral student and community activist who was leading the class with Mr. Baptist, challenged the students: "How do we move from the idea of poor people being sinners to poverty being a sin?"

That, she said, was a moral value, and the students agreed.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Not that I'm a bleeding heart, but am sick and tired of hearing "moral values" equated w/ the extremely limited issues of the right. Need to hear more about moral issues from multiple sides (like this article) and challenge some of the policy stands that ignore the "Judeo-Christian values" that most Americans also support. There are many good people or people of faith who find the exclusivity implied by the right as at odds with their own personal code of ethics or their faith's spiritual teachings.

dee_cee  posted on  2005-01-30   14:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: dee_cee (#1)

Fred Reed weighs in with this satire:

The Klan Speaks

A Letter From A White Supremacist Of The Fifties

The following is a letter recently found in the attic of a building in Arlington, Virginia, that once served as headquarters of the American Nazi Party. The author, though unknown to me, is clearly a racist of the vilest sort. We may profit by understanding the mind of such a man.

From: George Rockwell, Arlington, Virginia. May 6, 1955

To: James Braswell, Grand Klagon, Knights of the Invisible Empire, Ku Klux Klan

Dear Klagon Braswell,

In answer to your concern about preventing the rise of the Negro race after the disastrous Supreme Court decision of last year, I am somewhat more optimistic than you. I believe that, by judicious policy, we can, if not eliminate the problem of Negroes, at least control it indefinitely.

We cannot place hope in extermination or deportation of Negroes en masse, nor is there real hope of the reinstitution of slavery. The public mood will not now countenance such measures. We need rather a means of subjugating the Negro race while appearing to have other ends in mind. Fortunately, I believe that it can be done. Permit me to suggest a plan.

First, the thorough demoralization of Negroes is essential. They must first be made dependent on Whites, and then persuaded that they cannot achieve anything of worth on their own.

I believe this end may best be accomplished by instituting an all-encompassing system of public welfare. As you know, many Negroes now live in a state of poverty. We must argue in Congress that decency requires the provision of federal payments to allow Negroes to live at a fit standard. The economy is growing at such a rate that the country can carry the burden without undue difficulty. We should stress the benefits for the children, as this invariably evokes a favorable response.

Once welfare has been instituted, I believe that it will come to be accepted as normal by Whites, and then forgotten. After Negroes have been for several generations dependent on the largesse of Whites, they will, having had no experience of self-sufficiency, lose all initiative.

However, welfare alone will prove ineffective. The next step will be to destroy all social structure among Negroes. The most we could hope for--dare we dream? --would be to frame the welfare laws in such a way that married Negro women could not receive aid. The result, if luck held, would be a sharp rise in bastardy. The women would not be able to raise their offspring well, and these in turn would produce further young out of wedlock.

We must strive to make universal illegitimacy seem a natural condition. Crime and further demoralization will assuredly follow.

The third essential step will be to ensure that Negroes receive as little education as possible, though of course we cannot phrase our intentions this way. Fortunately Negroes now have little tradition of academic endeavor. It may be hoped, and even expected, that if we provide them with poor schools, they will, having no experience of true education, not demand better.

Next, we must at all costs ensure that Negroes not learn Standard English. A Negro who speaks intelligible and grammatical English is likely to be accepted socially by Whites. The consequences would be incalculable. We must encourage the notion that the degraded English now spoken by Negroes is in fact a real language, to be conserved and cherished.

A grave problem is that there will inevitably arise among Negroes men of intelligence and determination who will endeavor to elevate the station of their people. These men will be very dangerous. We can better thwart them, not by opposition, which would harden their determination, but by inviting them into White society, feting them, and making much of them in the public prints. Vanity and privilege will emasculate them, while making other Negroes believe that their race commands esteem among the better classes of Whites.

In order to accomplish all of this, we must have the support of much of the public, and of influential institutions, particularly the press. I believe it is possible. We must argue, as noted above, that welfare is the road of compassion, and appeal endlessly to warm feelings unaccompanied by thought. The elites of the White world crave a sense of helping the downtrodden. They do not, however, want to make difficult decisions.

Those who question any of our program must be ruthlessly portrayed as being hard-hearted, motivated by cupidity, and filled with loathing of our African population. If we can somehow associate our opponents with Nazis, we will succeed so much the better.

The withholding of education is crucial. We cannot of course argue that Negroes need or deserve poor schools. However, the privileged of the nation transparently believe that Negroes are inferior to the other races, but do not have the self-awareness to see that they believe it. They will fall easy prey to reasoning that avoids placing any expectations on Negroes other than those of continued helplessness. We must provide the privileged with excuses for doing this.

For example, we should argue that requiring Negro students to learn grammar and mathematics constitutes a racially arrogant imposition of European culture. Because pampered Whites do not think Negroes able to succeed, they will, given any excuse at all, favor the lowering of standards in Negro schools. They will then censor any who point to failure and thus, by hiding it, ensure its perpetuation.

Finally we need to engender among the well-off and the press a visceral intolerance of any policies toward Negroes other than ours. Our current Senator from Wisconsin has shown how to do it. The attitude we need to inculcate among reporters, who fortunately are not very intelligent, is that if you don't agree with means to a high-sounding end, then you disagree with the high-sounding end. Intolerance fortified by righteousness is invincible.

You may find this an excessively optimistic program. No. If we can carry it off, I say to you that in the year 2000 Negroes will be concentrated in urban ghettoes, speak English barely comprehensible to Whites, live in shameless bastardy, and be so devoid of both schooling and self-respect as to be without hope of advancement.

Trust me. All things are possible with enlightened social policy.

Yours in hope, George

OK, OK, Rockwell didn't really write this letter. But. . .couldn't he have? Subscribe Subscribe Unsubscribe Unsubscribe Resubscribe Resubscribe

Lod  posted on  2005-01-30   14:21:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: dee_cee (#1)

sagacious comment, dee.

christine  posted on  2005-01-30   14:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: dee_cee (#0)

I saw a magnet in the grocery store this morning that said: "Spiritual people inspire me, religious people scare me."

crack monkey  posted on  2005-01-30   14:36:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: dee_cee (#0)

Moral victory? What about the IMMORAL acts committed in Iraq.. torture..beatings...humiliation.. rape ...sodomizing young boys with objects? What victory? These people are totally CLUELESS.. their focus on things such as homosexual marriage, stem cell research, abortion.. not that I'm dismissing their concern BUT they absolutely pale in comparison to what is truly going to destroy this country.. total dolts.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-01-30   15:02:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Zipporah (#5)

These people are totally CLUELESS.. their focus on things such as homosexual marriage...

You're ignoring the bot logic in this. A soldier who enjoys buggering prisoners with glo-sticks doesn't have a homo-erotic streak as long as he doesn't try to marry the prisoner afterward.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-01-30   15:15:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: crack monkey, Zipporah (#6)

These people are totally CLUELESS.. their focus on things such as homosexual marriage...

You're ignoring the bot logic in this. A soldier who enjoys buggering prisoners with glo-sticks doesn't have a homo-erotic streak as long as he doesn't try to marry the prisoner afterward.

Ya gotta wonder.

robin  posted on  2005-01-30   16:12:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: crack monkey (#4)

Let's order bumper stickers!

dee_cee  posted on  2005-01-30   17:33:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Zipporah (#5)

Hear, hear! The concern that homosexual couples are going to destabilize society? Getting upset about SpongeBob? What about torture, violence, greed, corruption?

dee_cee  posted on  2005-01-30   17:40:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: dee_cee (#0)

It got left out intentionally.

You see, the people selling us out want your heart to bleed for the poor, mexican criminal.. Who jumps a fence to come here and do who knows what. He's poor, doncha know. I mean, come on.. have a heart, let him stay.

OTOH, the machinist down the road who lost his job to outsourcing is just a crybaby. Eff him. He's a whiney little poop who should just take his place in the stock room at WalMart. He didn't need that big, 3 bedroom house anyway.. He's spoiled! It wouldn't hurt him to re-train and be a CNA!

And, after all, we need to give his job to someone in China. Have a heart, they're poor over there, doncha know.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-01-30   17:46:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: dee_cee (#9)

PS: I don't like any of it, from Gay "Marriage" & abortion being decided for us at the federal level, to the absolute and total disregard for other moral issues, as the author stated.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-01-30   17:48:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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