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Title: Was Jesus Christ crucified on a cross?
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Published: Oct 18, 2007
Author: Bible
Post Date: 2007-10-18 13:09:07 by richard9151
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Comments: 195

I find it curious that so many people have so much faith in men. And, in what men say, and this is esp. true when what the men says flys directly in the face of what they claim to represent/say.

I hold to this firmly; A man is known by his actions, and not by his words.

And this leads me directly to what is wrong with America; the churches. And specifically those churches which claim to be Christian churches. And to the men who serve in those churches, and who know that they lie. After all, such men do, supposedly, read the Bible. Well, they have at least one time in their lives I think it is fair to assume. More than that? Pretty doubtful actually.

So this brings me to the question I posed in the title of this post; Was Jesus Christ crucified on a cross?

The only acceptable answer to this comes from the Bible. I assume that everyone who claims to be Christian will agree with this.

My first Bible (that I read extensively) was The King James Study Bible. I have continued to use it, although I have more than a dozen different Bibles now. In the King James;

Galatians 3:13; Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED is EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE.

Second witness; "...for it is written ... " ; Deutronomy 22:22; And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him from a tree; (23) His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shall in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) ...

Now, this may come as a surprise to many of you, but a tree ain't a cross; it is a post. In the Spanish translation of the King James, it is clearer, for they use the term madero, which means board, or, post.

In addition, if you have read anything about the Roman Empire, one of the notable facts about the Romans was their efficiency in killing people. And it is not efficient to use two pieces of wood, i.e., a cross, when a single piece of wood, a post, will suffice. And, in fact, this is how the Romans did hang those who they wished to make examples out of; on a post. (Yeah, yeah, I know; all the movies use crosses. And, your point is?)

There is another point that must be made here; when a man is hung on a post, or, for that matter, if he were to be hung on a cross, with nails, YOU CAN NOT DRIVE THE NAILS THROUGH THE PALMS OF HIS HAND. It will not work, because when the post/cross is lifted up and dropped into the hole prepared for it, the nails will rip out of the hands and the man will drop to the ground. The Romans knew this from, I am sure, experience, and the nails were ALWAYS driven into the wrists of the victim, between the two bones of the arm. This is the only location which offers enough strength to be usuable is such a manner.

The best depiction of Jesus being executed that I have seen is contained in the Watchtower book; What Does The Bible Really Teach? on page 52.

What does this mean: If you are attending a so-called Christian church, which uses the cross as a part of their worship, and protrays Jesus on that cross with nails through the palms of his hand, then you are participating in a deliberate lie. And, you are in a church properly described in Revelations a one of the daughters of the whore of Babylon. (I paraphrase; not going to look it up today.)

Now, let's look at a couple of other Bibles and see what is said;

New American Standard Bible; Galatians 3:13; Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us -- for it is writte, "CUESED IS EVERY ONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE" --

Second Witness; Deuteronomy 21:22; And if a man has committed a sin worthy of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, (23) his corpse shall not hang all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him on the same day (for he who is hanged is accursed of God), ...

Pretty good. Not far off, but.... let's take a quick look at another Bible.

Holy Bible From the Ancient Eastern Text (George M. Lamsa's Translation from the Aramaic of the Peshitta); Galatians 3:13; Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming accursed for our sakes (for it is writtenm Crused is everyone who hangs on a cross).

OOPS! WOW! Boy, do we need that second witness now!

Second Witness; Deuteronomy 21:22; And if any man has committed a sin worthy of death, and he is crucified on a tree, and thus put to death; (23) His body shall not remain all night upon the tree but you shall bury him the same day (for he who shall revile God shall be crucified), ...

Gotta a problem here, because the second witness does not confirm what was written in Galatians. That means that there is an error in this Bible, and brings into question any quotes taken from it, unless they be confirmed by a second witness. And this problem probably stems from the translator wanting to believe what he had been taught about the cross. And rather than translate directly, he transposed his beliefs into the translation.


I am a Christian; I freely and happily and contentedly proclaim this to be true. Chritianity is NOT a religion; it is a way of life, attempting to follow in the footsteps of The Christ.

As a Christian, I have a responsibility to study His Word, that I not be lead into error. I accept that responsibility. I also accept the responsibility to help others to learn as well, that any errors that I or they hold may be revealed and corrected jointly.

I have stated this before; I ask for correction in anything that I am in error on. And I have been corrected, and I thank those who help me to learn, and, (this is a big one!) change.

I hope you find this post helpful, and that it helps to bring all of us to a wider understanding of what is being, deliberately, done to America, through what is supposed to be His church (people).

Next post, in a day or so; Is Jesus Christ God?

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#9. To: richard9151 (#0)

Jesus is a fictional character like Hercules and the Bible is nothing but a collection of sun-worship allegories and folklore.

Jesus is the personification of the sun, or the sun anthropomorphized. He's the sun of god, the light of the world, who has risen.

Christianity has its roots in the worship of the heavens. This is why Christians believe that when they die they will go to "heaven" with God's sun.

Alan Chapman  posted on  2007-10-18   15:50:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Alan Chapman (#9)

Jesus is a fictional character like Hercules and the Bible is nothing but a collection of sun-worship allegories and folklore.

Can you offer any evidence of these allegations? If not, then they are merely opinions.

innieway  posted on  2007-10-18   16:12:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: innieway (#11)

Can you offer any evidence of these allegations? If not, then they are merely opinions.

All of your religious beliefs are OPINIONS.

And that's a FACT.

You worship dogma you've been taught. We worship knowledge, information, and logic. It's a FACT that you cannot prove there is a God or that Jesus ever lived.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-10-18   18:47:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Paul Revere (#33)

We worship knowledge, information, and logic. It's a FACT that you cannot prove there is a God or that Jesus ever lived.

I'll address the quotation in reverse.

First, I will consider it a challenge offered by you and others to prove that there is a God and that Jesus ever lived (though I don't think His name was Jesus Christ). I accept that challenge, and will put together a post in the near future on the subject. (Of necessity, it will take some time to put together a work of sufficient completeness as to be offered as "evidence" or "proof")

Second, IF you truly DO "worship" knowledge, information, and logic - then perhaps you will USE those things in your consideration of the "presentation" I put together. I will ping you, Alan, and the others on this thread whom I think you are referring to in the "We" part of your quote when I get my presentation posted.

Then the ball will be in your hands. Will you read the presentation I put together with an open mind, or will you just summarily dismiss it as BS before you even give it critical thought?

Scripture is fascinating, and it speaks for itself. There is no lack of historical documentation which "backs it up". That is why I think that although you are evidently very intelligent and quite learned - you have never put much if ANY time into serious STUDY of Scripture, and have formed your opinions concerning the subject in the same way religious practitioners formed theirs - by relying on what others "claim" Scripture says without "doing the digging" to find out. Those that do this fall into one of two camps. They either:
1) Blindly and ignorantly go along with what the religious leaders say like the good little lemmings they are OR:
2) Take the viewpoint you have adopted (which, given the tenacity and ignorance of the first group, it is easier to understand WHY you have that viewpoint)

But PLEASE don't categorize me as being of that first group just because I believe Scripture is correct...

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#70. To: innieway (#54)

I accept that challenge, and will put together a post in the near future on the subject.

i look forward to that.

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