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Title: Leahy: Intel panel about to ‘cave’ on surveillance
Source: The Hill
URL Source: http://thehill.com/leading-the-news ... n-surveillance-2007-10-18.html
Published: Oct 18, 2007
Author: Manu Raju
Post Date: 2007-10-18 14:33:18 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 127
Comments: 8

Leahy: Intel panel about to ‘cave’ on surveillance

By Manu Raju
October 18, 2007

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) on Thursday condemned Intelligence Committee Democrats for brokering a deal with the White House that would provide retroactive immunity for telephone companies that assisted the Bush administration’s controversial warrantless wiretapping program.

At the second day of confirmation hearings for President Bush’s Attorney General-nominee Michael Mukasey, Leahy warned that “the Intelligence Committee is about to cave on this,” citing pressure from the White House and press reports suggesting the administration had gotten its way.

“[Administration officials] know that it was illegal conduct and that there is no saving grace for the president to say, ‘Well, I was acting with authority,’ ” said Leahy. “Otherwise there wouldn't be so much pressure on us to immunize illegal conduct by either people acting within our government or within the private industry.”

Leahy’s remarks signal that a bipartisan accord to overhaul the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), reached Wednesday by the Intelligence panel’s leaders and the White House, could divide Democrats and hit a roadblock on his panel as well. The Intelligence Committee marks up the bill Thursday afternoon, after which it will be referred to Judiciary, where more Democrats have openly opposed retroactive immunity language.

His comments also come as House Democratic efforts to overhaul the law are falling into disarray, after House Republicans used parliamentary maneuvers to force leaders to pull the Democrats’ FISA rewrite from the floor late Wednesday.

Attempting to resolve a central point of contention, Senate Intelligence panel Chairman Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) reportedly reached a deal Wednesday with Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell to give full retroactive immunity to telephone companies if they can demonstrate they were cooperating lawfully with the secret wiretapping program when suits were levied against them.

Not all Democrats on the Judiciary Committee appeared to share Leahy’s concerns. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who sits on both the Judiciary and Intelligence panels, signaled she was likely to support the bipartisan approach.

“At this stage, it is a bipartisan bill,” Feinstein said. “I’m absolutely convinced that the only way we can legislate on this is on a bipartisan basis. This bill so far is bipartisan — that’s good news.”

During the hearing, Democrats launched fresh criticism at Mukasey’s interpretation of FISA. After the nominee indicated that Bush was not acting illegally by going beyond that statute in authorizing eavesdropping without court warrants, Leahy called that argument “a loophole big enough to drive a truck [through].”

Whether the president is acting illegally “would have to depend on whether what goes outside the statute nonetheless lies within the authority of the president to defend the country,” Mukasey said.

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#2. To: aristeides (#0)

Whether the president is acting illegally “would have to depend on whether what goes outside the statute nonetheless lies within the authority of the president to defend the country,” Mukasey said.

Say what? The friggin' idiot is destroying this country.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2007-10-18   14:52:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Fred Mertz (#2)

Democrats Dismayed by Mukasey’s Views on Executive Power.

Apparently Mukasey wouldn't commit himself when asked today whether waterboarding is torture.

aristeides  posted on  2007-10-18   14:57:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: aristeides (#3)

Waterboarding is torture; no ifs, ands or buts about it.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2007-10-18   15:00:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Fred Mertz (#4)

I think we executed some Japanese officer after World War Two, precisely for having used waterboarding.

aristeides  posted on  2007-10-18   15:00:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: aristeides (#5)

If you can post some details about that specific event then it might open some eyes to the obvious. The neocons create their own reality, doncha know.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2007-10-18   15:15:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Fred Mertz (#6)

Twenty-one years earlier, in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk.

"Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor," Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) told his colleagues last Thursday during the debate on military commissions legislation. "We punished people with 15 years of hard labor when waterboarding was used against Americans in World War II," he said.

Waterboarding Historically Controversial: In 1947, the U.S. Called It a War Crime; in 1968, It Reportedly Caused an Investigation.

I guess I was wrong about our executing the guy, we only sentenced him to 15 years of hard labor. But we certainly treated waterboarding as a war crime.

aristeides  posted on  2007-10-18   15:33:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#8. To: aristeides (#7)

And this Michael Mukasey guy won't admit it is torture. That tells me all I want to know about him.

Thank you for posting what you found.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2007-10-18 22:13:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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