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Religion See other Religion Articles Title: THE WHORE OF BABYLON [Scripture tells us it was JERUSALEM] The Whore of Babylon Richard Anthony The Angel said that he will tell us the mystery of the Woman (Rev 17:7, 18). In fact, the whole book of Revelation gives us clues, so we will start our investigation there. Once we have the internal clues the external evidence shouldn't be too hard to find... * The Woman is called "Sodom" and "Egypt" and "Babylon" (Revelation 11:8; 17:5, 14:8, 18:10, 21). * The Woman is located where Jesus was crucified (Revelation 11:8). * The Woman's dwelling place becomes a River of Blood (Revelation 14:20). * The Woman is Split into 3 Divisions (Revelation 16:19). * The Woman "sits on many waters" (Revelation 17:1) and these "waters" are diverse peoples (Revelation 17:15). * The Woman has fornicated with the Heathen World against God (Revelation 17:2, 18:3, 18:9). * The Woman is born along on a Beast (Revelation 17:3). * The Woman is the Mother of all Whores and Abominable Atrocities (Revelation 17:5). * The Woman is Drunk on the Blood of O.T. & N.T. Saints (Revelation 17:6, 18:24, 18:20). * The Woman is responsible for the death of the Prophets and Apostles (Revelation 17:6, 18:20, 18:24). * The Woman sits on 7 Mountains (Revelation 17:9). * The Woman is a dwelling place of devils (Revelation 18:2). * The Woman is a Prison for Evil Spirits (Revelation 18:2). * The Woman is a Cage, full of Dirty Birds (Revelation 18:2). * The Woman has a Full Cup of Iniquities (Revelation 18:5). * The Woman is Doubly Judged (Revelation 18:6). * The Woman considers herself a Queen (Revelation 18:7). * The Woman still considers herself Married (Revelation 18:7). * The Woman was Rich and Mourned when Judged (Revelation 18:10, 16-19). * The Woman merchandised the Souls of Men (Revelation 18:13). * The Woman is pronounced Desolate (Revelation 18:19). * The Woman's sound of Joy is taken away (Revelation 18:22). * The Woman's position of Creativity is taken away (Revelation 18:22). * The Woman's authority as someone equipped to Judge is removed (Revelation 18:22). * The Woman's Light-Bearing ability is snuffed out (Revelation 18:23). * The Woman's Bridegroom has Divorced Her (Revelation 18:23). * The Woman's Engagement/Marriage has been annulled/abrogated (Rev 18:23). * The Woman is called "This/That Great City" (Revelation 11:8, 14:8, 16:19, 17:18, 18:10, 16, 18, 19, 21, 21:10). The Woman = Jerusalem The most compelling evidence that the woman is Jerusalem is that scripture says it's where Jesus was crucified! (Revelation 11:8). Compare Jerusalem before her Judgment: (Revelation 11:8) and after Her Judgment (Revelation 21:10). There are two Jerusalem's. One was the literal, fleshly type of the true, spiritual Jerusalem. One was the Zion of Israel - the abode or rallying point of God's chosen nation, the other was the true Zion - the Abode of God and by extension the spiritual Home/Abode of His people where they are written and their spirits assemble before Him in awe and worship. Jerusalem was once the Beautiful City of God, but now she has become a den of devils and full of idolatries and filthy abominations. God is going to judge Her and give her name to the spiritually faithful - those from both the nation of Israel and the heathen nations. Thus will His "Jerusalem" and His "Zion" be pure. God also uses the term "this great city" to refer to Jerusalem in the Old Testament (Jeremiah 22:6-9). The Woman has killed the Saints - the Prophets, Apostles, and Jesus (Revelation 11:8; 17:6; 18: 20,24). Jerusalem has killed the Saints - the Prophets, Apostles, and Jesus (Matthew 23:29-36; Luke 6:22-23, 26; 11:47-52; 13:28,33-34; Acts 2:23,36; 3:15; 4:10; 5:30; 7:51-52; Romans 11:2-5; 1 Corinthians 2:7-8; 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15, James 5:10). Mt. Zion & Jerusalem are the Capital City for the Saints (Hebrews 12:18,22-24). Heaven is The Country for Saints: (Philippians 3:20, Hebrews 11:13-16, Galatians 4:24-26, Psalm 48:2; 74:2; 76:2; 87:5, Matthew 5:34-35). The "Dragon" was the source of power and authority for the Beast (also referred to as the serpent, the Devil, and Satan at Revelation 12:9, 20:2). Were the Romans ever called "children of the devil"? The Jews were: (John 8:44; Acts 13:10; 1 John 3:10)! The Jews were also called "serpents" and "offspring of vipers" (Matthew 23:33)! And that same verse (Matthew 23:33) condemns them to a fiery end similar to the end of the Beast and his followers (Revelation 19:19-21)! The 7 Mountains (Revelation 17:9) refer to Jerusalem, not Rome. The seven mountains upon which Jerusalem was built are Mount Zion, Mount Ophel, Mount Moriah, Mount Bezetha, Mount Acra, Mount Gareb, and Mount Goath. Some might ask, "If the 'whore' is Jerusalem, how could the 'beast' be Nero Caesar, from Rome? Would not the "beast" be someone who rules over Jerusalem? The answer is that Caesar DID rule over Jerusalem. The highest religious authorities in Jerusalem, and all the Jews living in Jerusalem, even admitted that Caesar is their king (John 19:15). Revelation 11:8 Let's look at the term "Sodom." John wrote that this is a "figurative" name. That means it does not tell us the actual name of the city, but it's spiritual condition. Once more, in letting the Bible interpret itself, we find this is a reference to Jerusalem. In Isaiah, chapter 1, after declaring that he had a "vision33;concerning Judah and Jerusalem" (verse 1), Isaiah wrote, "Hear the words of the Lord, you rulers of Sodom33;" In Jeremiah 23:14, because of the adulterous prophets, God said that Jerusalem and her inhabitants had "become to Me like Sodom." But what about "Egypt?" No where in the Bible is Jerusalem called Egypt. However, that the first century generation was also in an exodus. While Old Testament Israel's exodus was from the bondage of Egypt, the New Testament Israel's exodus was from the bondage of the Old Covenant Law. The most recognizable passage that depicts this "new exodus" is found in I Corinthians 10:1-11. Paul wrote, "And all these things happened to those [as] examples, and was written for our warning; to whom the ends of the ages have arrived." His contextual foundation for this statement was the Old Testament exodus from Egyptian bondage. He wrote that they had passed through the sea (verse 1). They ate manna and drank from the rock (verse's 3-4). He then relays how they wandered in the wilderness (verse 5), became idolaters (verse 7), tried the Lord and were destroyed by serpents (verse 9). This shows us that, just like the "type and shadow" of the Old Testament and their deliverance from bondage, the New Testament saints were undergoing the same exodus. The only difference was that Paul's generation was the reality to which the Old Testament example pointed. Furthermore, in Luke 13:33-34, Jesus said, "[T]oday and tomorrow, and on the following [day], I must travel on, because it is not possible [for] a prophet to perish outside Jerusalem. Jerusalem! Jerusalem! The [one] killing the prophets, and stoning those having been sent to her." Then, in Matthew 23:29-37, Jesus blasted the Jews of His day for killing the prophets and the apostles. He declared that they are the children of their fathers who also killed the prophets. Then in verse 32, Jesus said that they would complete the sin that their fathers started. But the most crucial evidence is found in verse 35, where Jesus said, "upon you (i.e., the Jews of His day) may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on the earth." Then He said, "I tell you the truth, all of these things will happen to you people who are living now. Jerusalem, Jerusalem! You kill the prophets and stone to death those who are sent to you" (verse's 36-37). In both passages, Jesus told the Jews of His day that they were guilty of "all the righteous blood shed upon the earth" (see also Acts 7:51-52). Notice of Divorce In Jeremiah 31:32, God said he was 33;an husband33; to Israel. In Jeremiah 3:8-14 and Isaiah 50:1, God states that he was married to Israel, and gave Israel a bill of divorcement, because Israel committed adultery. This occured around 721 B.C. Jesus said, "It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: (Deuteronomy 24:1) But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery." (Matthew 5:31-32). God said that the only Just reason for divorcing your wife was "on the ground of unfaithfulness." Also, that a "written notice of divorce" must be given. Would God not abide by His own laws? Prior to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, God served Israel her divorce papers. And this allowed for a new bride. Revelation 21:2, "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." When was the Old Jerusalem destroyed? 70AD. So when should the "new Jerusalem" have been established? 70AD. Aren't the followers of Christ now the "bride" of Christ? Yes. In 721 B.C., God divorced Himself from the adulterous, harlot wife and gave to His Son a new Bride in 70 A.D.! That's Us! Ezekiel 16 Ezekiel 16 is very compelling evidence that Jerusalem is the whore. Here are some excerpts: Ezekiel 16:1-2, "And there is a word of Jehovah unto me, saying, `Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations, and thou hast said:" Ezekiel 16:7-8, "...And comest in with an excellent adornment, Breasts have been formed, and thy hair hath grown -- And thou, naked and bare! And I pass over by thee, and I see thee, And lo, thy time is a time of loves," Ezekiel 16:15-18, "And thou dost trust in thy beauty, And goest a-whoring because of thy renown, And dost pour out thy whoredoms On every passer by -- to him it is. And thou dost take of thy garments, And dost make to thee spotted high-places, And dost go a-whoring upon them, They are not coming in -- nor shall it be! And thou dost take thy beauteous vessels Of My gold and My silver that I gave to thee, And dost make to thee images of a male, And dost go a-whoring with them, And dost take the garments of thy embroidery, And thou dost cover them, And My oil and My perfume thou hast set before them." Ezekiel 16:20, "And thou dost take thy sons and thy daughters Whom thou hast born to Me, And dost sacrifice them to them for food. Is it a little thing because of thy whoredoms," Ezekiel 16:22, "And with all thine abominations and thy whoredoms,..." Ezekiel 16:25-26, "At every head of the way thou hast built thy high place, And thou dost make thy beauty abominable, And dost open wide thy feet to every passer by, And dost multiply thy whoredoms, And dost go a-whoring unto sons of Egypt, Thy neighbours -- great of appetite! And thou dost multiply thy whoredoms, To provoke Me to anger." Ezekiel 16:28-38, "And thou goest a-whoring unto sons of Asshur, Without thy being satisfied, And thou dost go a-whoring with them, And also -- thou hast not been satisfied. And thou dost multiply thy whoredoms On the land of Canaan -- toward Chaldea, And even with this thou hast not been satisfied. How weak is thy heart, An affirmation of the Lord Jehovah, In thy doing all these, The work of a domineering whorish woman. In thy building thine arch at the head of every way, Thy high place thou hast made in every broad place, And -- hast not been as a whore deriding a gift. The wife who committeth adultery -- Under her husband -- doth receive strangers. To all whores they give a gift, And -- thou hast given thy gifts to all thy lovers, And dost bribe them to come in unto thee, From round about -- in thy whoredoms. And the contrary is in thee from women in thy whoredoms, That after thee none doth go a-whoring; And in thy giving a gift, And a gift hath not been given to thee; And thou art become contrary. Therefore, O whore, hear a word of Jehovah, Thus said the Lord Jehovah: Because of thy brass being poured forth, And thy nakedness is revealed in thy whoredoms near thy lovers, And near all the idols of thy abominations, And according to the blood of thy sons, Whom thou hast given to them; Therefore, lo, I am assembling all thy lovers, To whom thou hast been sweet, And all whom thou hast loved, Besides all whom thou hast hated; And I have assembled them by thee round about, And have revealed thy nakedness to them, And they have seen all thy nakedness. And I have judged thee -- judgments of adultresses, And of women shedding blood, And have given thee blood, fury, and jealousy." Ezekiel 16:41, " And burnt thy houses with fire, And done in thee judgments before the eyes of many women, And I have caused thee to cease from going a-whoring, And also a gift thou givest no more." The evidence is overbearing. All throughout scripture, Jerusalem is said to be the whore.
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#25. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)
there's a lot of provocative & interesting information in this thread.
I'm a little confused...maybe you can answer a question for me...I have always read that a "woman" in the Bible is often understood to be a church...is this news to everyone else? not meaning to be 'smart', just trying to understand everyone else's point of view.
I think it is very difficult to provide accurate interpretations of the prophecies. and I certainly can't provide good answers. I try to caution people I know (outside this forum) that bible interpretations from christian leaders can easily be incorrect. I remember a lesson a pastor gave us once that the bible was meant to be interpreted 'in the spirit'. and he used a bible verse to teach this, but I don't know where that verse is. I think there's some (few) bits of prophecies that are meant to be interpreted literally (and you can identify those because there's no other way to interpret them but literally), but most of the time I think it should be interpreted 'in the spirit' or symbolically. per the bible god does want to marry his church and does describe it as a woman. You showed us certain verses that refer to this in Jeremiah 11 & 31. and I know the same idea is elsewhere too. and in those 2 chapters it said the marriage ended because the woman let god down. when a man is hurt by a woman in marriage due to her cheating on him, and the marriage ends, he can sometimes refer to her as a whore. I remember the theme that jesus came into his own people (jewish people) and was rejected by them. and I remember the theme that people are very imperfect, sinners and can't do anything truly good (without god). but people are lured into believing in themselves, basically building idols up in their own minds over themselves and 'mankind'. history unfolds as god wants it to, and it is done for god's purposes, not ours'. and so the same themes can be repeated in history to teach people what god wants us to learn. and thus the same details in the same prophecies can seem to refer to particular institutions at different times in history (perhaps). in other words the prophecies can have multiple meanings, at different times of history. but as this era of history (from god's view) goes on we are headed for a creschendo, a time of the end of this era, a time when the meanings we are supposed to learn become crystal clear to everyone open to believing. in other words, I have no conclusions. you might enjoy a book by Verl Speeer called 'Pied Piper of Babylon'. I have a copy laying around here, but I can't find it now, I understand it is out of print. In that book he identified babylon as being the mercantile clique surrounding the federal reserve bank system and what this mercantile clique calls the 'new world order'. That book came out about 25-30 years ago. there are many many verses that describe this babylon of the end times. Example of what I'm talking about - Revelation 13:1 describes this (I think 4'th beast) enabled to rule the world as rising from the sea. In the world of law for thousands of years the phrase 'law of the sea' has meant the treaties made between kings (or governments) to govern international trade. and today's new world order is rising out of such treaties that enable such groups as World Trade Organization, etc. It is these organizations that are non-profit corporations controlled by a mercantile clique, not by national governments or elected officials that are gaining great power. they seem to be ruling over (& dictating to) the national governments. The national governments are no longer listening to their own people or acting in the interests of their own people. another verse that impresses me is Revelation 18:19 where it says this babylon was able to import massively due to its costliness. well, costliness means an expensive currency making everything sourced from that location of costliness costly. and that describes a scheme used prominently today. We in the US import massively, but don't export so much. Imports are 7% of our gdp, and no nation in history has ever sustained that for long. there is massive effort put into making the US dollar artificially costly. Merchants all over the world do in fact cooperate with the effort to do that so that they can export to the US. I think that the rise of this 4'th beast that rules is described in Daniel chapter 11 is the same one that is described in Revelation 13 and is this new world order I've mentioned. and I actually think that the talk of 'north' and 'south' in Daniel 11 is referring to the American civil war. The north prevails and this establishes the beginning of the rule of this beast. But there are many verses that support the idea that Babylon is this mercantile clique that is ruling from behind the scenes today. It is a multi-national clique. but it's power is centered here in America. Perhaps as an organization they may have a power center in Jerusalem. I have no idea.
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