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Title: Christmas should be 'downgraded' to help race relations says Labour think tank
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Published: Nov 1, 2007
Author: JAMES CHAPMAN
Post Date: 2007-11-01 07:38:25 by freepatriot32
Keywords: christmas, england, labour party
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Christmas should be downgraded in favour of festivals from other religions to improve race relations, says an explosive report. Labour's favourite think-tank says that because it would be hard to "expunge" Christmas from the national calendar, 'even-handedness' means public organisations must start giving other religions equal footing. The leaked findings of its investigation into identity, citizenship and community cohesion also propose: • "Birth ceremonies", at which state and parents agree to "work in partnership" to bring up children • Action to "ensure access" for ethnic minorities to "largely white" countryside • An overhaul of Britain's "imperial" honours system • Bishops being thrown out of the House of Lords • An end to "sectarian" religious education • Flying flags other than the Union Jack. The report by the Institute for Public Policy Research was commissioned when Nick Pearce, now head of public policy at Downing Street, was its director. IPPR has shaped many Labour policies, including ID cards, bin taxes and road pricing. The report robustly defends multiculturalism - the idea that different communities should not be forced to integrate but should be allowed to maintain their own culture and identities. And it says immigrants should be required to acquire some proficiency in English and other aspects of British culture "if - but only if - the settled population is willing to open up national institutions and practices to newcomers and give a more inclusive cast to national narratives and symbols". It adds: "Even-handedness dictates that we provide public recognition to minority cultures and traditions. "If we are going to continue as a nation to mark Christmas - and it would be very hard to expunge it from our national life even if we wanted to - then public organisations should mark other religious festivals too. "We can no longer define ourselves as a Christian nation, nor an especially religious one in any sense. "The empire is gone, church attendance is at historically low levels, and the Second World War is inexorably slipping from memory." The report, written by IPPR advisers Ben Rogers and Rick Muir, calls on Ministers to launch an "urgent and upfront campaign" promoting a "multicultural understanding of Britishness". "Multiculturalism can be shown to provide for a fairer and more liberal society and does not necessarily lead to social division and community conflict, as its critics have claimed," it says. Councils must act to "ensure children mix and are able to form friendships with pupils from different backgrounds". The report adds: "Any liberal state should recast the civic oaths and national ceremonies, or institutions like Parliament and the monarchy, in a more multi-religious or secular form and make religious education less sectarian." The presence of bishops in the House of Lords, for instance, is condemned as an "anachronism" that should be removed. The system in which parents are required to register a new baby at a register office is dismissed as "purely bureaucratic". The occasion should be transformed into a "public rite", using citizenship ceremonies for immigrants as a model, the report says. "Parents, their friends and family and the state [would] agree to work in partnership to support and bring up their child." Rural Britain, the report complains, "remains a largely white place". Much more needs to be done to "ensure access" to the countryside for black and ethnic minority groups, disabled people and children from inner-city areas. Sayeeda Warsi, the Conservative spokesman on community cohesion, said: "Their comments betray a breathtaking misunderstanding of what it is to be British. These proposals could actually damage cohesion." She added: "You don't build community cohesion by throwing out our history and denying the fundamental contribution Christianity has played and does play to our nation. "As a British Muslim I can see that - so why others can't just staggers me." And she attacked ceremonies to mark the registration of a baby. "The thought of Gordon Brown sharing responsibility with me for bringing up my children sends a shiver down my spine. I thought we got rid of communism?" 
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#1. To: freepatriot32 (#0)
Festivus here we come.
http://www.festivusbook.com/ official website sort of :-)
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Then you deserve what's coming to you.
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Mongrels R us. mon·grel·ize (mnggr-lz, mng-) tr.v. mon·grel·ized, mon·grel·iz·ing, mon·grel·iz·es To make mongrel in race, nature, or character
All Saints' Day - November 1st
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Egad, here comes the yearly fray over why Christmas symbols and carols get banned from schools and other public places. I think I'll order in Chinese food for T-Day and be done with all that was Americana :) Signed,
Jethro... There is one thing the white and black race have in common. We will both become extinct and no one seems to give a damn. Called MONGRELIZATION.
Who is stopping minority religions from expressing their faith? Who is forcing them to sing Christmas Carols? This is absurdity, except that it is a way to start killing off the religion of the majority, the culture of the majority and the ideals and ethics of the still majority. What percentage of the population is Muslim? Jewish? Gives a damn?
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robin... If you go way back into the 1800s, you will find endless material written about groups of people that have one main goal in life and that was to DESTROY the Christian religion . Jews then and now were leading the pack in this effort. This cannot be sugarcoated and tap danced around. It is fact. Christians will pay the price by playing nice and do not offend anyone.
Yes, that’s the agenda; to, in time, have the human condition the same including the color of our skin. I think the color THEY desire is some medium shade of brown. But go tell this to some delusional, head-in-the sand, white guy. They think it’s the talk of a loon and/or racist. Never mind the evidence; FORCED integration, the promotion by Hollywood of interracial arrangements and the farcical portal of white men as nerds on any one of a bevy of TV sitcoms.
We have been for some time.
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There is clearly a Christian/American tradition bias. It's more government driven, than religious, IMO.
Jethro... The white and black races are the most widely despised in the world. For world domination, destroy races, destroy religion, leave the people nothing to hold onto, all must be alike. Jethro, history lesson time young man... Since recorded history, there have ALWAYS been evil men born that desired to rule the known world. It is foolhardy for modern man to believe that trend has ceased.
I see the govt tearing down Christian morals, not upholding them, and replacing them with half-naked Christmas nymphs dancing 'round a decorated fir tree; calling that imagery a religious symbol credit.
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It won't end until all caucasians and Christians are killed off. If you can't see the endgame, you're already lost.
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Christianity's mostly done. Put a fork in it. All popular modern variants are globalistic and pan-racial, in direct opposition to nationalism and a rooted culture. Christianity itself has already been mongrelized.
#2. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
#3. To: freepatriot32 (#0)
"The empire is gone, church attendance is at historically low levels, and the Second World War is inexorably slipping from memory."
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
#5. To: freepatriot32 (#0)
#6. To: Cynicom (#4)
Mr. Internatale
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
#8. To: Jethro Tull, Cynicom (#6)
#9. To: robin (#8)
What percentage of the population is Muslim? Jewish? Gives a damn?
#10. To: Cynicom (#7)
MONGRELIZATION.
#11. To: Cynicom (#9)
Christians will pay the price by playing nice and do not offend anyone.
#12. To: robin (#8)
#13. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
#14. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
#15. To: robin (#14)
#16. To: Johnny Jazz (#15)
#17. To: robin, Cynicom (#8)
Jews then and now were leading the pack in this effort. This cannot be sugarcoated and tap danced around. It is fact. Christians will pay the price by playing nice and do not offend anyone.
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#18. To: robin (#16)
Good point. To describe the historical guerrilla war as one against Christians leads to lots of confusion.
At this point in time, most Christians are not Caucasians
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#19. To: Tauzero (#17)
True... Now it will be destroyed. Most likely to be replaced by a State religion, one size fits all.
Christianity itself has already been mongrelized.
#20. To: Tauzero, Cynicom (#18)
The Great Commission is color blind.
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#21. To: freepatriot32 (#0)
To a category 2, I think. My fervent wish as a retail worker: No more than 12 days of Christmas music during the year. That's all I ask.
But could Christmas soon be 'downgraded'?
From Two Party System... ...to Two Family System.
#22. To: robin, Cynicom, and yes Virginia, there is Santa Clause (#14) (Edited)
That did it. I'm now in the process of finding my dancing Santa gif.
I see the govt tearing down Christian morals, not upholding them, and replacing them with half-naked Christmas nymphs dancing 'round a decorated fir tree; calling that imagery a religious symbol credit.
#23. To: PnbC (#21)
Finally some sane legislation :)
No more than 12 days of Christmas music during the year.
#24. To: robin (#20)
I would agree, if I believed.
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#25. To: robin, lodwick, Red Jones (#16)
either lodwick or Red once told me that we would be a "little flock" oh well, if God is for us, who can stand against us? Luk 12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Luk/12/32.html the gates of hell shall not prevail: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/16/18.html Dan 2:44 — And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Phrase of Scripture Correlating Passages TSK Help in the days "Chal. in their days. That is, in the days of one of these kingdoms, (see Rth 1:1,) i.e, the Roman; in which the ""God of heaven set up"" the spiritual kingdom of the Messiah, which shall yet ""become a great mountain, and fill the whole earth.""" http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Dan/2/44.html ========================================================= Hallelujah Chorus, Handel's Messiah: |: Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! |: For the Lord God Omnipotent reigneth. Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! For the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. |: Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! The kingdom of this world Is become the kingdom of our Lord, And of His Christ, and of His Christ; And He shall reign for ever and ever, For ever and ever, forever and ever, King of kings, and Lord of lords, |: King of kings, and Lord of lords, And Lord of lords, And He shall reign, And He shall reign forever and ever, King of kings, forever and ever, And Lord of lords, Hallelujah! Hallelujah! And He shall reign forever and ever, |: King of kings! and Lord of lords! Neutral And He shall reign forever and ever, King of kings! and Lord of lords! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! words: http://ingeb.org/spiritua/halleluj.html / Midi: http://ingeb.org/spiritua/halleluj.mid ================================================== Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isa 9:7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. Christians are a minority worldwide.
#26. To: freepatriot32 (#0)
"We can no longer define ourselves as a Christian nation, nor an especially religious one in any sense. "The empire is gone, church attendance is at historically low levels, and the Second World War is inexorably slipping from memory." In their own words!!! So much for the "British-Israel" www.asis.com/users/stag/royalty.html farce! Psa 2:1 ¶ Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying], Psa 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. Psa 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Psa 2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion...... [CHRISTIAN America www.originofnations.org/old_bi_literature/Pitts.htm ; antiChrist CorpUSA will be plucked Ezekiel 17:1-10/John 15:1/Matthew 15:13]
#27. To: robin (#25)
would you please do me a favor, and check this link....it played fine from beginning until end before, but now it gets messed up shortly after the beginning. Thank you!
Midi: ingeb.org/spiritua/halleluj.mid
#28. To: robin (#8)
...it is a way to start killing off the religion of the majority... How is it doing this? There are over 300,000 churches in the United States, thousands of Christian stores, websites, publications, radio and TV shows, etc. Should religion be given special privileges not afforded to other segments of society? A majority of Americans identify themselves as Christians. So, what? Should there be a national holiday to celebrate Star Wars, with taxpayer-subsidized movie props on government property and plays in government schools? Christianity should have to stand on its own merit and compete in the marketplace of ideas along with everything else.
#29. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#27) (Edited)
played fine, but I must object to a midi of the Hallelujah Chorus ;)
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#30. To: Alan Chapman (#28)
I wonder what an America without a Christian foundation would have looked like. Something closer to the mess we have today, only for over 200 years?
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#31. To: robin (#29)
thanks, i'll have to add that to the list of things that don't work around here.... like video! can you explain briefly what you mean? thanks!
#32. To: robin (#30)
We may be about to find out....seeing how ZOG says America had a NOAHIDE foundation. Chabad Lubavitch Rabbi to Congress: "Congress Convenes to Fulfill Noahide Commandment http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=62798 "What are the Noahide Laws? NOACHIDE LAWS, the seven laws considered by rabbinic tradition as the minimal moral duties enjoined by the Bible on all men (Sanh. 56–60; Yad, Melakhim, 8:10, 10:12) The seven Noachide laws as traditionally enumerated are: the prohibitions of idolatry, blasphemy, bloodshed, sexual sins, theft, and eating from a living animal, as well as the injunction to establish a legal system (Tosef., Av. Zar. 8:4; Sanh. 56a). Except for the last, all are negative, and the last itself is usually interpreted as commanding the enforcement of the others (Maim. Yad, Melakhim, 9:1). (Encyclopaedia Judaica, "Noahide Laws") Who is an idolator according to the codifier of Judaism, Moses Maimonides? "The Christians are idolaters, and Sunday is their holiday..." (Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Avoda Zorah 9;4) How does the Judaic "justice" system of double standards handle those accused of disobeying Noahide law (ie. Christian "idolaters")? A non-Jew is put to death on the basis of a decision given by one judge [no jury], and on the basis of testimony given by a single witness, and even if he was not given a proper warning prior to the commission of his offense. He is put to death on the basis of testimony and a decision given by a man but not on the basis of testimony and a decision given by a woman, and the man who testified or decided against him can even be a relative. A Jew can only be put to death by a court of twenty-three judges, and on the basis of the testimony of two male witnesses who are not disqualified from testifying on account of kinship, and after being properly warned against committing the transgression. But none of these rules apply in the case of a non-Jew. (Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 57b, Steinsaltz edition, vol.18, page 110) What happens to those found guilty of disobeying Noahide law in a Judaic kangaroo court? ... violation of any one of the seven laws subjects the Noachide to capital punishment by **** decapitation (Sanh. 57a).(Encyclopaedia Judaica, "Noahide Laws")...." http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=62798 Merry Christmas, and OFF WITH YOUR HEAD! As Naugahyde is to leather, so the Noahide Laws are to the Bible. ... NO MEETING WITH GHOSTS. The seven Naugahyde laws can be found here: ... http://www.public-action.com/christmas.html
I wonder what an America without a Christian foundation would have looked like. Something closer to the mess we have today, only for over 200 years?
#33. To: Alan Chapman (#28)
How is it doing this? There are over 300,000 churches in the United States, thousands of Christian stores, websites, publications, radio and TV shows, etc..... A majority of Americans identify themselves as Christians. So, what? see my post to robin.
...it is a way to start killing off the religion of the majority...
#34. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#31)
The midi file you posted a link to works fine; I just don't like it! So I posted a far better version of Handel's Hallelujah Chorus ;)
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#35. To: robin (#34)
okay, thanks! I wish I could see/hear it!
#36. To: robin (#30)
The notion that the United States is a Christian nation, that is was founded on Christian principles, and that individual freedom is some kind of Christian idea is among the biggest myths ever perpetuated. The Bible isn't even a factual history book. It's nothing but a regurgitation of ancient astrotheology and folklore. If you want to see what a Christian nation looks like then examine the Dark Ages in Europe. In consisted of centuries of military conquest, murder, torture, fear, paranoia, ignorance, deep-seeded hatred, tribalism, and abject squalor. Countless historical records going back to the founding of the English colonies reveal the use (or attempted use) of government force to advance dogma, punish people for sin and vice, tax people to finance ministries, force institutions to close on the Sabbath, etc. Notions of freedom didn't spring forth from these folks. 90% of Americans identify themselves as belonging to one of the many different flavors of Christianity. There are more than two million Americans in prison, over half incarcerated for victimless crimes. Government growth, spending, and corruption is higher now than at any time in history. Over half of Americans receive income from the government. 20% of the American workforce works for the government. The United States has been at war in some part of the world almost every year for the past century. Americans are overwhelmingly ignorant and gullible with an extremely facile and superficial worldview. We're ruled by a Christian president and Congress consisting of mostly Christians. The United States is looking more like a Christian nation every day. Oh, let me guess. The problem is either than they're not real Christians, or that they read the Bible wrong, or something like that, and what we really need is prayer in school and the Ten Commandments posted on every vertical surface in sight, and then all of those problems will go away.
#37. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#33)
A bunch of mumbo-jumbo. Maybe some manna from heaven will help me see the light.
#38. To: freepatriot32 (#0)
Ghost of Christmas Future, I fear you more than any spectre I have seen,
I've already said too much.
#39. To: Alan Chapman (#36)
We're all well aware of the weaknesses of human nature and how Christian ideals have failed to be implemented as the Creator intended. That doesn't mean Christianity has not had a positive impact where it has flourished. Compare and contrast the histories of cultures where Christianity has never had any impact. Would you prefer to have lived under the thumb of the Ming dynasty? Or in ancient Rome? You don't really believe you would have had more freedoms under those systems do you?
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#40. To: Alan Chapman (#37)
let me spell it out in plain english. George Bush Jr., who is NOT a Christian, but a cryptoJew, honors the Satanic Noahide Laws [which Congress passed and George Scherff (Bush I) signed] every year. These laws outlaw Christianity and Christians in America, and the rest of the world, and demand that Christians be decapitated. A Pharisee recently stood before Congress, and told them it was their duty to implement these laws. Congress is obviously NOT Christian, because if it were, it would never have passed these laws, and would have thrown that slimeball in jail as a terrorist or in an insane asylum for inciting violence against the majority of the people in this country. The people running this country are Jewish and not Christian....note the Star of David over the eagle on their $1 bill: www.gemworld.com/US-Symbol-1dol.html
A bunch of mumbo-jumbo.
#41. To: Alan Chapman (#36)
If you want to see what a Christian nation looks like then examine the Dark Ages in Europe. In consisted of centuries of military conquest, murder, torture, fear, paranoia, ignorance, deep-seeded hatred, tribalism, and abject squalor. Countless historical records going back to the founding of the English colonies reveal the use (or attempted use) of government force to advance dogma, punish people for sin and vice, tax people to finance ministries, force institutions to close on the Sabbath, etc. Notions of freedom didn't spring forth from these folks. Now why do you suppose the PROTESTANTS came here seeking religious freedom? In honor of Reformation Day. The preservation of the gospel of Christ is always worth celebrating, now as in any era. In 1517, one such notable defense was carried out by Martin Luther as he strove to return the church to purity of faith in the midst of growing corruption. His challenge to draw the church from the interference of merely human influences and back to a life founded upon the Word of God was issued in the form of ninety-five theses. In honor of the 31st of October's Reformation Day (a day meant to celebrate the preservation of the glorious gospel of our salvation), we present Luther's Ninety-Five Theses. www.blueletterbible.org/study/95theses.html In addition, here is an mp3 audio message www.blueletterbible.org/audio_video/otsuji_kevin/ on Reformation Day, by Pastor Kevin Otsuji of Reverence Bible Church.
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