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Title: Christmas should be 'downgraded' to help race relations says Labour think tank
Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li ... n_page_id=1770&in_page_id=1770
Published: Nov 1, 2007
Author: JAMES CHAPMAN
Post Date: 2007-11-01 07:38:25 by freepatriot32
Keywords: christmas, england, labour party
Views: 858
Comments: 45

Christmas should be downgraded in favour of festivals from other religions to improve race relations, says an explosive report.

Labour's favourite think-tank says that because it would be hard to "expunge" Christmas from the national calendar, 'even-handedness' means public organisations must start giving other religions equal footing.

The leaked findings of its investigation into identity, citizenship and community cohesion also propose:

• "Birth ceremonies", at which state and parents agree to "work in partnership" to bring up children

• Action to "ensure access" for ethnic minorities to "largely white" countryside

• An overhaul of Britain's "imperial" honours system

• Bishops being thrown out of the House of Lords

• An end to "sectarian" religious education

• Flying flags other than the Union Jack.

The report by the Institute for Public Policy Research was commissioned when Nick Pearce, now head of public policy at Downing Street, was its director.

IPPR has shaped many Labour policies, including ID cards, bin taxes and road pricing.

The report robustly defends multiculturalism - the idea that different communities should not be forced to integrate but should be allowed to maintain their own culture and identities.

And it says immigrants should be required to acquire some proficiency in English and other aspects of British culture "if - but only if - the settled population is willing to open up national institutions and practices to newcomers and give a more inclusive cast to national narratives and symbols".

It adds: "Even-handedness dictates that we provide public recognition to minority cultures and traditions.

"If we are going to continue as a nation to mark Christmas - and it would be very hard to expunge it from our national life even if we wanted to - then public organisations should mark other religious festivals too.

"We can no longer define ourselves as a Christian nation, nor an especially religious one in any sense.

"The empire is gone, church attendance is at historically low levels, and the Second World War is inexorably slipping from memory."

The report, written by IPPR advisers Ben Rogers and Rick Muir, calls on Ministers to launch an "urgent and upfront campaign" promoting a "multicultural understanding of Britishness".

"Multiculturalism can be shown to provide for a fairer and more liberal society and does not necessarily lead to social division and community conflict, as its critics have claimed," it says.

Councils must act to "ensure children mix and are able to form friendships with pupils from different backgrounds".

The report adds: "Any liberal state should recast the civic oaths and national ceremonies, or institutions like Parliament and the monarchy, in a more multi-religious or secular form and make religious education less sectarian."

The presence of bishops in the House of Lords, for instance, is condemned as an "anachronism" that should be removed.

The system in which parents are required to register a new baby at a register office is dismissed as "purely bureaucratic".

The occasion should be transformed into a "public rite", using citizenship ceremonies for immigrants as a model, the report says.

"Parents, their friends and family and the state [would] agree to work in partnership to support and bring up their child."

Rural Britain, the report complains, "remains a largely white place".

Much more needs to be done to "ensure access" to the countryside for black and ethnic minority groups, disabled people and children from inner-city areas.

Sayeeda Warsi, the Conservative spokesman on community cohesion, said: "Their comments betray a breathtaking misunderstanding of what it is to be British. These proposals could actually damage cohesion."

She added: "You don't build community cohesion by throwing out our history and denying the fundamental contribution Christianity has played and does play to our nation.

"As a British Muslim I can see that - so why others can't just staggers me."

And she attacked ceremonies to mark the registration of a baby.

"The thought of Gordon Brown sharing responsibility with me for bringing up my children sends a shiver down my spine. I thought we got rid of communism?"

Nativity scene: Christian celebrations in schools could become a thing of the past

National celebration: But could Christmas soon be 'downgraded'? (2 images)

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#1. To: freepatriot32 (#0)

Festivus here we come.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-11-01   8:51:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

Mongrels R us.

mon·grel·ize (mnggr-lz, mng-) tr.v. mon·grel·ized, mon·grel·iz·ing, mon·grel·iz·es To make mongrel in race, nature, or character

Cynicom  posted on  2007-11-01   9:21:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#4)

Egad, here comes the yearly fray over why Christmas symbols and carols get banned from schools and other public places. I think I'll order in Chinese food for T-Day and be done with all that was Americana :)

Signed,
Mr. Internatale

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-11-01   9:48:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull, Cynicom (#6)

Who is stopping minority religions from expressing their faith? Who is forcing them to sing Christmas Carols? This is absurdity, except that it is a way to start killing off the religion of the majority, the culture of the majority and the ideals and ethics of the still majority.

What percentage of the population is Muslim? Jewish? Gives a damn?

robin  posted on  2007-11-01   9:56:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: robin (#8)

...it is a way to start killing off the religion of the majority...

How is it doing this? There are over 300,000 churches in the United States, thousands of Christian stores, websites, publications, radio and TV shows, etc.

Should religion be given special privileges not afforded to other segments of society? A majority of Americans identify themselves as Christians. So, what?

Should there be a national holiday to celebrate Star Wars, with taxpayer-subsidized movie props on government property and plays in government schools?

Christianity should have to stand on its own merit and compete in the marketplace of ideas along with everything else.

Alan Chapman  posted on  2007-11-01   14:45:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Alan Chapman (#28)

...it is a way to start killing off the religion of the majority...

How is it doing this? There are over 300,000 churches in the United States, thousands of Christian stores, websites, publications, radio and TV shows, etc.....

A majority of Americans identify themselves as Christians. So, what?

see my post to robin.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-11-01   15:39:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#33)

A bunch of mumbo-jumbo.

Maybe some manna from heaven will help me see the light.

Alan Chapman  posted on  2007-11-01   16:53:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Alan Chapman (#37)

A bunch of mumbo-jumbo.

let me spell it out in plain english.

George Bush Jr., who is NOT a Christian, but a cryptoJew, honors the Satanic Noahide Laws [which Congress passed and George Scherff (Bush I) signed] every year. These laws outlaw Christianity and Christians in America, and the rest of the world, and demand that Christians be decapitated. A Pharisee recently stood before Congress, and told them it was their duty to implement these laws. Congress is obviously NOT Christian, because if it were, it would never have passed these laws, and would have thrown that slimeball in jail as a terrorist or in an insane asylum for inciting violence against the majority of the people in this country.

The people running this country are Jewish and not Christian....note the Star of David over the eagle on their $1 bill: www.gemworld.com/US-Symbol-1dol.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-11-01   19:29:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#40)

George Bush Jr. went on TV, claimed to be a Christian, claimed Jesus as his favorite philosopher, and tens of millions of fools voted for him for only that reason.

Your conspiracy theories about George Bush and Congress are ridiculous and it doesn't matter if they're even true. None of it changes the nature of government. The object of your ire should be the State.

Judaism is not the origin of the Star of David. It predates Judaism. The symbol is also used by Muslims, Jains, Buddhists, Hindus, occultists and astrologers.

Alan Chapman  posted on  2007-11-01   23:59:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Alan Chapman (#43)

George Bush was coached and packaged by Doug Wead for the religious right.

It is a fact that George Bush is not a Christian....first and foremost, you know him by his works. Second, it is a fact that he is known for shunning Christ even at Christmas:

HOLIDAY BLUES Bush White House's Christ-less Christmas Official commemorations emphasize Santa, Rudolph over Jesus in 2004 ... www.worldnetdaily.com/new...icle.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42027

WorldNetDaily: Bush's Jesus joke: 'Santa, thanks for coming' 2005 WorldNetDaily.com. An the annual lighting of the National Christmas tree ... While alluding to Jesus, President Bush thanked Santa Claus for coming to ... www.worldnetdaily.com/new...icle.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47693

WorldNetDaily: Spokesman stands by Jesus-Santa reference Says Bush 'meant exactly what he said' at tree lighting ... when he alluded to Jesus during his remarks at the National Christmas Tree ... www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47768

, yet lights menorrahs [sp.] and dances in the white house [the one with the kitchen made kosher by the rabbis] with the rabbis at Hanukah [sp]. He has signed a proclamation every year honoring the Noahide Laws and Rabbi Schneerson, the "messiah of the Jews" proclaimed by the Noahide Pharisees.

The Congress, likewise, speaks for itself.

None of it changes the nature of government. The object of your ire should be the State.

Now just what do you think I have been talking about? However, the State is shoving its Judaism down my throat, and no skin off the teeth of the Jews, obviously. No wonder...it's been that way for 2,000 years. I wonder how long it would take you to get your ire up if the churches started preaching the beheading of Jews.

Judaism is not the origin of the Star of David. It predates Judaism. The symbol is also used by Muslims, Jains, Buddhists, Hindus, occultists and astrologers.

You can call it the Star of Solomon if you want...that's what it really is.

A lot of the old Hebrew religion was based on occultism and astrology and worship of the whole host of heaven:

Act 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Act/7/43.html

Jer 8:1 ¶ At that time, saith the LORD, they shall bring out the bones of the kings of Judah, and the bones of his princes, and the bones of the priests, and the bones of the prophets, and the bones of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, out of their graves:

Jer 8:2 And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.

Jer 8:3 And death shall be chosen rather than life by all the residue of them that remain of this evil family, which remain in all the places whither I have driven them, saith the LORD of hosts......

Judaism is still filled with occultism and astrology:

http://philologos.org/bpr/files/Calendar/5761/12.elul.htm

The Star on the $1 Bill comes from the fact that George Washington went to the synagogue and borrowed money from the Jewish Rothschild agent, Haim Solomon, to pay for his Rothschild-contrived "Revolution". One of the payoffs was to put the Seal of Solomon on the United States Seal, which then ended up on Jewish CorpUSA's $1 fiat bill.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-11-02   3:29:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#45. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#44)

The Star on the $1 Bill comes from the fact that George Washington went to the synagogue and borrowed money from the Jewish Rothschild agent, Haim Solomon, to pay for his Rothschild-contrived "Revolution". One of the payoffs was to put the Seal of Solomon on the United States Seal, which then ended up on Jewish CorpUSA's $1 fiat bill.

Considering the above comment and the nature of international bankers such as Rothschild, do you really think a picture of a star of David was the real pay- off ??? I kinda doubt it.

The fact that Americans are expected to pay a tax (commission) on every transaction using the feds (jews) dollars (private commercial paper) is more likely the pay-off. That star is their seal indicating ownership, notice the placement "OVER" the eagle/stars and stripes.

The Jews are simply convenient tools of the Babylonian Cabal whose head is the Papacy. The inter-relationship between the Papacy, the Rothschild bankers and European aristocracy more correctly portrays the international dictatorship. This is not to exclude the Tribe of Dan's probable intimate involvment but the time elapsed since their last known activity makes it difficult to pin point them.

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