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Title: Market WrapUp (11-05-07)
Source: Financial Sense Online
URL Source: http://www.financialsense.com/Market/wrapup.htm
Published: Nov 5, 2007
Author: Rob Kirby
Post Date: 2007-11-05 19:04:15 by Arete
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Musical Chairs at Citibank
BY ROB KIRBY

It’s out with the old and in with the new, or perhaps better stated, the ‘recycled.’ This past weekend Citibank Chairman, Charles Prince resigned. His replacement is none other than Robert Rubin.

For those of you who with short memories, Mr. Rubin is a former Chair of Goldman Sachs, former U.S. Treasury Secretary in the Clinton Administration and last but not least – widely credited with the design, implementation and beating-of-the-drum of the heralded U.S. ‘strong dollar policy.’

Robert Rubin
Robert Rubin

Since Rubin’s tenure as Treasury Secretary it has become “custom” from that point forward that all who have followed him reiterate this theme – singing the strong dollar mantra.

This dogma of the ‘strong dollar policy’ has come to be understood by many market participants as saying one thing while doing something-else completely opposite.

A Paradox in Principle

In an article written back in 2003 by TheStreet.com’s Aaron Task titled, Strong Dollar Is a Policy in Name Only, Task opines,

Other than "I love you" and "You're under arrest," few three-word English phrases have as much significance as "strong dollar policy." 

Of late, however, singing the tune of the strong dollar policy tends to fly in the face of realities with the U.S. Dollar Index probing new historical lows. As recently as August 2006, current U.S. Treasury Secretary, Hank Paulson reiterated the familiar tune,

"I believe that a strong dollar is in our nation's interest and that currency values should be determined in open and competitive markets in response to underlying fundamentals"

Despite Mr. Paulson’s proclamation in support of a strong dollar, anecdotal evidence would tend to suggest otherwise:

 

With Robert Rubin now beating the drum over at Citibank – that of Chairman – let’s hope that his assumed intentions of restoring the financial behemoth to financial strength and probity are followed up with a degree of transparency and meaningful change.

Today’s Market

Overseas equity markets began the week on a sour note with Japan’s Nikkei Index falling 248 points to 16,268. North American markets also stumbled with the DOW losing 51.70 to 13,543.40, the NASDAQ giving up 15.20 to 2,795.18 and the S & P down 7.50 to 1,502.15. NYMEX crude oil futures fell 1.28 to 94.65 per barrel.

Interest rates ended a volatile day by rising 2 basis points across the curve with the benchmark 5 yr. bond ending the day at 3.97% and the 10 yr. bond finishing the day at 4.34%.

On foreign exchange markets, the U.S. Dollar Index gained .08 to 76.38.

The precious metals complex ended the day mixed with COMEX gold futures closing up 1.10 per ounce at 808.60 while COMEX silver futures added .14 to finish at 14.77 per ounce. Meanwhile, the XAU closed down 1.11 at 186.52 and the HUI fell 2.63 to end the day at 436.75.

Wishing you all a pleasant evening and happy investing!

Rob Kirby

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#18. To: All (#17)

Today's Gold -

Arete  posted on  2007-11-06   7:45:40 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: All (#18)

Local gas n go is charging $2.89 for regular. Costco only marginally lower at $2.87.

Arete  posted on  2007-11-06   7:50:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: All (#18)

Hi Ho -

Arete  posted on  2007-11-06   7:57:26 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Arete (#19) (Edited)

We're running 20 cents above you up here.

Looks like the Oilgizer Bunny is off & running again today too.

I wonder when somebody is going to blame this rise on the holiday driving season?

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.

Esso  posted on  2007-11-06   7:58:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Esso (#21)

Oil will come down when the dollar goes up.

Arete  posted on  2007-11-06   8:10:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Arete (#22)

Oil will come down when the dollar goes up.

In smoke?

The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2007-11-06   8:13:27 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Arete (#19)

Here it's $3.09 - $3.19 for the past week.

angle  posted on  2007-11-06   8:16:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: angle, Esso (#24)

I still have faith that the central planners will manage to save Christmas shopping season with lower gasoline prices. They still have a couple of weeks to engineer a major energy market top before pulling the rug out from under the oil market. I will be shocked, to put it mildly, if it doesn't happen this year. It would be like Santa died.

Arete  posted on  2007-11-06   8:21:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: angle (#24)

Here it's $3.09 - $3.19 for the past week.

I filled up at $2.79 Sunday morning. It has since gone up a dime.

duckhunter  posted on  2007-11-06   8:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: DeaconBenjamin (#23)

I see that chicky-poo is ready for the cost of natural gas & heating oil this winter.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.

Esso  posted on  2007-11-06   8:23:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Esso (#27)

The weatherman says that it is going to be in the 30's the next 3 nights. That's cold for this early in the season.

Arete  posted on  2007-11-06   8:29:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Esso (#27)

Inflation 1923-24: A German woman feeding a stove with currency notes, which burn longer than the amount of firewood they can buy.

The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2007-11-06   8:31:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Arete (#25)

I still have faith that the central planners will manage to save Christmas shopping season with lower gasoline prices. They still have a couple of weeks to engineer a major energy market top before pulling the rug out from under the oil market. I will be shocked, to put it mildly, if it doesn't happen this year. It would be like Santa died.

I'm thinkin' that if it doesn't happen by Thanksgiving, it ain't gonna happen.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.

Esso  posted on  2007-11-06   8:32:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Esso (#30)

Well, we've been getting these background stories about an "early" shopping season so maybe we don't get the traditional black Friday kickoff with all the staged Wal-Mart media reports showing out of control crowds bursting through their doors at opening.

Arete  posted on  2007-11-06   8:38:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Arete (#31)

The plan here is to dump as much cash as possible before it melts away. Spent about a grand on equipment in the last month.

Met with my roofer last week when he flew back into town on a break. We'll probably be putting a new roof on my house as soon as he gets finished up with the job he's on in Alabama.

Probably get my wife the flat-panel TeeVee she's been wanting this year too, if they have some deals.

Figure I better use it or lose it.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.

Esso  posted on  2007-11-06   9:29:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Arete (#31)

BINGO !

Took a few minutes after the open put the HUI is now above VooDoo target of 443.

imawit  posted on  2007-11-06   9:35:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: All (#33)

Next FIBO leg up.

Both gold and silver have registered intraday indications that they are already on their next FIBO growth cycle. The broad gauge is now showing a triple in both. That's the 0 to 100% growth cycle.

imawit  posted on  2007-11-06   11:35:56 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: All (#31)

NEW YORK (Reuters) - IndyMac Bancorp Inc (IMB.N: Quote, Profile, Research), one of the largest independent U.S. mortgage lenders, on Tuesday posted a quarterly loss more than five times larger than it had projected, hurt by mounting delinquencies and a collapse in investor demand to buy its home loans.

The third-quarter net loss totaled $202.7 million, or $2.77 per share. It was IndyMac's first quarterly loss since the fourth quarter of 1998. Profit a year earlier was $86.2 million, or $1.19 per share.

IndyMac mortgage loss dwarfs its own forecast

Arete  posted on  2007-11-06   11:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: All (#35)

IndyMac shares are up almost 10% on the bad news. Go figure.

Arete  posted on  2007-11-06   11:53:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: imawit (#10)

Good afternoon Mr. da Wit.

Wow, you Richard have the metals smokin' today. Partly on the basis of your TA, I added some Ag at the Asian opening price on Sunday. We're looking good. A tip of the hat to you.

Dukie  posted on  2007-11-06   13:06:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Arete (#19)

Gasoline

Best price I saw in the Pittsburgh vicinity today was the 2.999 ( trying to hide $3 ). How'd you like those Steelers throwback uniforms, Richard ?

Dukie  posted on  2007-11-06   13:15:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Dukie (#37)

We're looking good. A tip of the hat to you.

Thanks. Just noticed that my FIBOmeter on gold didn't show up so here it is.

imawit  posted on  2007-11-06   13:42:19 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Arete (#1)

How long have you been posting the WrapUp now? I seem to recall getting involved about 5 years ago (on TOS.)


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sourcery  posted on  2007-11-06   13:49:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: All (#32)

Filled up the work truck today. 67 gal@$3.089 - $207. From the looks of the NYMEX, gas will go up 12 to 22 cents here in FTW tomorrow.

Passenger car diesel is at $3.599. Wow. Don't know where tax exempt diesel is.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.

Esso  posted on  2007-11-06   14:17:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: sourcery (#40)

How long have you been posting the WrapUp now? I seem to recall getting involved about 5 years ago (on TOS.)

I honestly don't know myself but 5 years seems like a pretty good guess.

Arete  posted on  2007-11-06   14:55:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: imawit (#15)

How about freakin' Hecla today!?!? Up 14%.

ILDS.PK, a holder of an adjacent property they contract mine is pretty interesting too. Appears Hecla needs to do some system upgrading because their Lucky Friday equipment is old as crap and losing a hell of a lot of material...

You know how this all ends right? It ends with all of us screaming and thrusting bayonettes and bullets into each others guts while fat elites from both "parties" sit back behind their walled compounds and governmment complexes and count the money and wealth they skimmed off us before we begin to "cull" ourselves...

Axenolith  posted on  2007-11-06   17:11:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: angle (#24)

Here it's $3.09 - $3.19 for the past week.

Currently sitting at about 2.9 silver dimes now, or 2 mercs, a war nickel and 4 copper pennies :-)

You know how this all ends right? It ends with all of us screaming and thrusting bayonettes and bullets into each others guts while fat elites from both "parties" sit back behind their walled compounds and governmment complexes and count the money and wealth they skimmed off us before we begin to "cull" ourselves...

Axenolith  posted on  2007-11-06   17:17:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Axenolith (#44)

Does this make sense?

1942-1945 Nickel ** silver value $0.8574 increase 1714.92%
1916-1945 Mercury Dime value $1.1024 increase 1102.44%
1946-1964 Roosevelt Dime value $1.1024 increase 1102.44%
1932-1964 Quarter value $2.7561 increase 1102.44%
1916-1947 Half Dollar value $5.5122 increase 1102.44%
1948-1963 Half Dollar value $5.5122 increase 1102.44%
1964 Kennedy Half Dollar value $5.5122 increase 1102.44%
1965-1970 Half Dollar (40% silver) value $2.2538 increase 450.77%
1878-1921 Morgan Dollar value $11.7873 increase 1178.73%
1921-1935 Peace Dollar value $11.7873 increase 1178.73%

The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2007-11-06   18:08:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: All (#45)

American Gold Eagle
1/2 Oz. bid $407.30 ask $433.30
1/4 Oz. bid $202.65 ask $219.65
1/10 Oz. bid $81.44 ask $89.06
Silver American Eagle Bid $16.08 ask $17.08
Silver Maple Leaf Bid $15.37 ask$17.11
90% Silver Bags bid $10,585.44 ask $10,821.69

http://www.coinsite.com/

The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2007-11-06   18:12:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Arete (#42)

How about some sort of party/celebration commemorating 5 years of The Wrap Up?


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sourcery  posted on  2007-11-06   18:29:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: sourcery (#47)

5 years of The Wrap Up?

I'll second the motion. The Wrap must hold some sort of record .... longest running migratory financial thread ( on at least 3 sites ). A tribute to Richard's posting dedication. I should drop a note to Jim Puplava to inform him of all the free publicity that FSO has garnered.

Dukie  posted on  2007-11-06   19:57:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: DeaconBenjamin (#45)

Yup, take the nickel from 1942 (partial year) to 1945 (oddly enough they turn up a lot more frequently than old regular ones because regular nickels read close to pull tabs, though I dig a shitload of those as sliders so as to not miss them, and gold).

0.8754 (current metal value)/0.05 (face) = 17.1492 (multiple of increase) X 100 for the percent.

Of course, the increase is essentially since 1964 as ostensibly the circulation value and silver value was close or at parity then, but either way a 39.88% annualized average rate of return is nothing to sneeze at :-)

Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge is what you'll eat because it's what the damn STATE tells you to!

Axenolith  posted on  2007-11-07   0:20:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: sourcery (#47)

How about some sort of party/celebration commemorating 5 years of The Wrap Up?

What did you have in mind?

Arete  posted on  2007-11-07   10:19:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Arete (#42)

Here's an old one:

www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/659005/posts

Soren  posted on  2007-11-07   10:28:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Soren (#51)

Oil at $27. Ha!

Arete  posted on  2007-11-07   10:37:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Soren, Arete (#51)

So, more than 5 1/2 years already.

Those price quotes were surreal.


Government Warning: The Attorney General has determined that Federal Regulation may be hazardous to your health

sourcery  posted on  2007-11-07   16:54:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Arete (#50)

What did you have in mind?

Not sure. Perhaps a special "Market WrapUp Anniversary Thread." Perhaps a virtual party, with the participants connected via Skype (chat or voice.)

Let's give it some thought.


Government Warning: The Attorney General has determined that Federal Regulation may be hazardous to your health

sourcery  posted on  2007-11-07   16:58:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: sourcery (#53)

So, more than 5 1/2 years already.

Yes, but rohry was posting the WrapUp back then. Not sure when I took over. I'm not much of a party planner but if you come up with something, I'm good at participation. LOL

Arete  posted on  2007-11-07   17:30:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Arete (#55)

Yes, but rohry was posting the WrapUp back then.

Ooof. I had completely forgotten about rohry. And I no longer remember how/ why you took over from him.


Government Warning: The Attorney General has determined that Federal Regulation may be hazardous to your health

sourcery  posted on  2007-11-07   18:49:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: sourcery (#56)

And I no longer remember how/ why you took over from him.

He just simply tired of posting the WrapUp and I decided that it was worth my time to keep it going. That was it.

Arete  posted on  2007-11-07   19:40:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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