Title: KEITH OLBERMANN SPECIAL COMMENT ON WATERBOARDING NOV 5, 2007 Source:
MSNBC / YouTube URL Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arWJ358tZgU Published:Nov 5, 2007 Author:MSNBC / YouTube Post Date:2007-11-05 22:53:58 by Brian S Ping List:*WAR CRIMES*Subscribe to *WAR CRIMES* Keywords:None Views:14033 Comments:28
First one would have to have been around to listen to Edward Murrow back in late 1930s and 40s. Not the TV Murrow, the old radio Murrow.
Olbermann has copied to a T the writing and verbal presentation of Murrow. Murrow became a "commodity", he had something to sell and MSM raised him to the peaks.
He became a Pied Piper, nightly bashing of Hitler, on and on and on. Oddly, the people never noticed he rarely ever mentioned Togo and Japan that attacked us. He was saying what people wanted to hear, what he was not saying spoke volumes. His adoration of the poor Russians was endless.
But he was bashing evil Hitler and MSM played it to the hilt.
All of this time he was employing known communists to work for him, unknown to the people that adored him.
Murrow went on to become the man that led MSM in their effort to destroy Joseph McCarthy.
What Olbermann is saying I agree 100 per cent, what he is NOT saying is where the snake oil comes in.
Anyone paying attention to politics knows full well that he is a "liberal" that being said he is saying stuff that one would of thought would be coming out of the mouth of a "conservative" the fact someone in MSM is actually saying it is a positive....we all were communist's once!
", in a separate interview last week, Mr. Olbermann acknowledged that for MSNBC’s nighttime lineup to ultimately work, viewers needed to be able to follow at least some common themes from one show to another. He likened himself and his fellow hosts, collectively, to the menu of a hamburger restaurant with several variations of the same dish.
“If you go into a burger place, and you go in there for the fish, you might want the fish occasionally but it’s probably a mistake,” he said. “Could you be utterly different politically and succeed in this format? You’d basically be throwing your audience away.”
The facts he SHADES or omits are what is important but people say he sounds good.
I noticed that Olbermann always has on the same dem apologist who provides the same old worn excuse for why the dem congress just has to pass war spending bills in order "to support the troops". Olbermann always let the bullshit pass unchallenged.
A few months later we invaded North Africa. North Africa??????
For the record Britain asked the US for help against Rummel North Africa was a blood bath for Americans not knowing how to fight desert warfare.....had Rummel not run out of supplies North Africans would be speaking German today...
Montgomery had already defeated Rommel in August at the second battle of El Alamein. We did not invade Africa until November. Long before Pearl Harbor FDR had agreed that Germany would be the priority, not Japan.
When MacArthur reached Australia he was shocked that there was nothing there for him. No American troops, as they were all being prepared for North Africa.
When Benito Mussolini declared war on the Allies on 10th June 1940, he already had over a million men in the Italian Army based in Libya. In neighbouring Egypt the British Army had only 36,000 men guarding the Suez Canal and the Arabian oil fields.
On 13th September, 1940, Marshall Rodolfo Graziani and five Italian divisions began a rapid advance into Egypt but halted in front of the main British defences at Mersa Matruh. Although outnumbered, General Archibald Wavell ordered a British counter-offensive on 9th December, 1940. The Italians suffered heavy casualties and were pushed back more than 800km (500 miles). British troops moved along the coast and on 22nd January, 1941, they captured the port of Tobruk in Libya from the Italians.
Adolf Hitler was shocked by the defeats being suffered by the Italian Army and in January 1941, sent General Erwin Rommel and the recently formed Deutsches Afrika Korps to North Africa. Rommel mounted his first attack on 24th March 1941, and after a week of fighting he pushed Archibald Wavell and the British Army out of most of Libya. However, under Lieutenant General Leslie Morshead the British managed to hold vital forward supply base at Tobruk.
Archibald Wavell attempted a counter-attack on 17th June, 1941, but his troops were halted at Halfaya Pass. Three weeks later he was replaced by General Claude Auchinleck.
On 18th November, 1941, Auchinleck and the recently formed Eighth Army went on the offensive. Erwin Rommel was forced to abandon his siege of Tobruk on 4th December, and the following month had moved as far west as Archibald Wavell had achieved a year previously.
Aware that Wavell's supply lines were now overextended, Rommel, after obtaining reinforcements from Tripoli, launched a counterattack. It was now the turn of the British Army to retreat.
After losing Benghazi on 29th January, Claude Auchinleck ordered his troops to retreat to Gazala. Over the next few months the Eighth Army, under Lieutenant General Neil Richie, established a line of fortifications and minefields. Erwin Rommel launched his offensive on 26th May. The Italian infantry attacked at the front while Rommel led his panzers round the edge of the fortifications to cut off the supply routes.
Ritchie outnumbered Rommel by two to one but he wasted his advantage by not using his tanks together. After defeating a series of small counter-attacks Rommel was able to capture Sidi Muftah. On 12th June, two of the three British armoured brigades were caught in a pincer movement and were badly defeated. Two days later Neil Richie, with only 100 tanks left, abandoned Gazala.
Rommel returned to Tobruk and took the port on 21st June, 1942. This included the capture of over 35,000 British troops. However, Rommel now only had 57 tanks left and was forced to wait for new supplies to arrive before heading into Egypt.
In July 1942, General Erwin Rommel and the Italo-German Panzer Armee Afrika, (part of the Deutsches Afrika Korps) were only 113km (70 miles) from Alexandria. The situation was so serious that Winston Churchill made the long journey to Egypt to discover for himself what needed to be done. Churchill decided to make changes to the command structure. General Harold Alexander was placed in charge of British land forces in the Middle East and Bernard Montgomery became commander of the Eighth Army.
On 30th August, 1942, Erwin Rommel attacked at Alam el Halfa but was repulsed by the Eighth Army. Montgomery responded to this attack by ordering his troops to reinforce the defensive line from the coast to the impassable Qattara Depression. Montgomery was now able to make sure that Rommel and the German Army was unable to make any further advances into Egypt.
Over the next six weeks Montgomery began to stockpile vast quantities of weapons and ammunition to make sure that by the time he attacked he possessed overwhelming firepower. By the middle of October the Eighth Army totalled 195,000 men, 1,351 tanks and 1,900 pieces of artillery. This included large numbers of recently delivered Sherman M4 and Grant M3 tanks.
On 23rd October Montgomery launched Operation Lightfoot with the largest artillery bombardment since the First World War. The attack came at the worst time for the Deutsches Afrika Korps as Erwin Rommel was on sick leave in Austria. His replacement, General George Stumme, died of a heart-attack the day after the 900 gun bombardment of the German lines. Stume was replaced by General Ritter von Thoma and Adolf Hitler phoned Rommel to order him to return to Egypt immediately.
The Germans defended their positions well and after two days the Eighth Army had made little progress and Bernard Montgomery ordered an end to the attack. When Erwin Rommel returned he launched a counterattack at Kidney Depression (27th October). Montgomery now returned to the offensive and the 9th Australian Division created a salient in the enemy positions.
Winston Churchill was disappointed by the Eighth Army's lack of success and accused Montgomery of fighting a "half-hearted" battle. Montgomery ignored these criticisms and instead made plans for a new offensive, Operation Supercharge.
On 1st November 1942, Montgomery launched an attack on the Deutsches Afrika Korps at Kidney Ridge. After initially resisting the attack, Rommel decided he no longer had the resources to hold his line and on the 3rd November he ordered his troops to withdraw. However, Adolf Hitler overruled his commander and the Germans were forced to stand and fight.
The next day Montgomery ordered his men forward. The Eighth Army broke through the German lines and Erwin Rommel, in danger of being surrounded, was forced to retreat. Those soldiers on foot, including large numbers of Italian soldiers, were unable to move fast enough and were taken prisoner.
For a while it looked like the the British would cut off Rommel's army but a sudden rain storm on 6th November turned the desert into a quagmire and the chasing army was slowed down. Rommel, now with only twenty tanks left, managed to get to Sollum on the Egypt-Libya border.
On 8th November Erwin Rommel learned of the Allied invasion of Morocco and Algeria that was under the command of General Dwight D. Eisenhower. His depleted army now faced a war on two front.
The British Army recaptured Tobruk on 12th November, 1942. During the El Alamein campaign half of Rommel's 100,000 man army was killed, wounded or taken prisoner. He also lost over 450 tanks and 1,000 guns. The British and Commonwealth forces suffered 13,500 casualties and 500 of their tanks were damaged. However, of these, 350 were repaired and were able to take part in future battles.
Winston Churchill was convinced that the battle of El Alamein marked the turning point in the war and ordered the ringing of church bells all over Britain. As he said later: "Before Alamein we never had a victory, after Alamein we never had a defeat."
Allied troops continued to advance on Tunis, the capital of Tunisia. General Kenneth Anderson got to within 12 miles of Tunis before being attacked at Djedeida by General Walther Nehring and the Deutsches Afrika Korps. A further attempt by the Allies to reach Tunis was halted by bad weather on 24th December, 1942.
General Jurgen von Arnium now arrived to take control of the German forces in Tunisia. In January 1943 he was joined by General Erwin Rommel and his army in southern Tunisia. Rommel was in retreat from Egypt and was being chased by General Bernard Montgomery and the 8th Army.
Montgomery now spent several weeks in Tripoli building up his supplies. Arnium and Rommel decided to take this opportunity to attack Allied forces led by General Kenneth Anderson at Faid Pass (14th February) and Kasserine Pass (19th February). The Deutsches Afrika Korps then headed for Thala but were forced to retreat after meeting a large Allied force on 22nd February, 1943.
General Harold Alexander was now sent to oversee Allied operations in Tunisia whereas General Erwin Rommel was placed in command of the German forces. On 6th March 1943, Rommel attacked the Allies at Medenine. General Bernard Montgomery and the 8th Army fought off the attack and the Germans were forced to withdraw. Rommel now favoured a full retreat but this was rejected by Adolf Hitler.
On 9th March, Rommel left Tunisia on health grounds and was replaced by General Jurgen von Arnium as commander of the Deutsches Afrika Korps. Arnium now concentrated in defending a 100 mile arc across north-east Tunisia.
By April 1943 the Allies had over 300,000 men in Tunisia. This gave them a 6-to-1 advantage in troops and a 15-to-1 superiority in tanks. The Allied blockade of the Mediterranean also made it difficult for the German Army to be supplied with adequate amounts of fuel, ammunition and food.
The Allies now decided to make another effort to take Tunis. General Omar Bradley, who had replaced General George Patton, as commander of the 2nd Corps, joined General Bernard Montgomery for the offensive. On 23rd April the 300,000 man force advanced along a 40 mile front. At the same time there was a diversionary attack by the 8th Army at Enfidaville.
On 7th May 1943, British forces took Tunis and the US Army captured Bizerte. By 13th May all Axis forces in Tunisia surrendered and over 150,000 were taken prisoner.
When MacArthur reached Australia he was shocked that there was nothing there for him. No American troops, as they were all being prepared for North Africa.
Australia nothing -- FDR never lifted a finger to resupply or support the tens of thousands of US troops (including National Guard units!) and Filipinos fighting under the US flag on Bataan and Corrigedor. The Allies were prepared to suffer casualties of 90 percent for convoys that supplied Murmansk and Malta, but our own men were hung out to dry with only empty promises.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
#25. To: angle, Cynicom, Pinguinite, robnoel, DeaconBenjamin, christine, Arete, *Ron Paul for President 2008* (#9)
A candidate for the Presidency, Ron Paul, makes fundraising history and this story is not mentioned by Kieth Olbermann on his nationally aired cable political Countdown show tonight. Ron Paul's fundraising feat was mentioned but NOT by Olbermann. Air America's Rachel Maddow referred to it during Olbermann's interview of her concerning Kucinich's impeachment resolution.
Olbermann did say "Ron Paul" in this context: while discussing Steven Colbert's withdrawal towards the very end of the show from the presidential race, Olbermann said Colbert out-polled Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul.
So Olbermann's silent treatment of Ron Paul continues.
Air America's Rachel Maddow referred to it during Olbermann's interview of her concerning Kucinich's impeachment resolution.
Good for Rachel Maddow! I really like listening to her when I can. She is an independent minded liberal and though I don't always agree with her I enjoy listening to her humor and intelligent commentary on current events.
Today I caught a few minutes of her program wherein she chastized Steny Hoyer for immediately trying to table Kucinich's motion. ( ssssss, Steny the snake) As well she made a point of noting - as the House voting numbers were coming in - that the Republicans were more supportive of Kucinich than Kucinich's own Dem party members. She gives credit where credit is due - today with regards to Kucinich and the constitutionally minded conservative GOP ( do you think Ron Paul's popularity is starting to embolden the "closet" conservative GOP?), just as she did to Ron Paul in the course of the Olbermann interview.
P.S. Olbermann is good when he has a flaming idiot like GWB to mock but I'm not sure how incisive or clever Olbermannn will be if there's a Dem sitting in the Oval Office as of 1/2009.
A candidate for the Presidency, Ron Paul, makes fundraising history and this story is not mentioned by Kieth Olbermann on his nationally aired cable political Countdown show tonight.
Geez, without you guys, I'd be taking the bait for a few months more at least. And a few months is a long time in this game of momentum.
Geez, without you guys, I'd be taking the bait for a few months more at least.
I was taught long ago that what is unseen and unheard is worth investigating because there is ALWAYS a reason someone does not want you to know.
Olbermann is a Pied Piper and plays the EXACT SAME TUNE every night, Goebbles had nothing on this charlatan.
"charlatan"
Main Entry: char·la·tan Function: noun Etymology: Italian ciarlatano, alteration of cerretano, literally, inhabitant of Cerreto, from Cerreto, Italy Date: 1618
1 : quack
2 : one making usually showy pretenses to knowledge or ability : fraud, faker