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Title: Bill Maher: Christians Have Neurological Disorder
Source: WorldNetDaily.com
URL Source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42906
Published: Feb 18, 2005
Author: WorldNetDaily.com
Post Date: 2005-02-18 10:31:24 by Brian S
Keywords: Neurological, Christians, Disorder
Views: 2539
Comments: 76

Says parents 'drill' religion into kids' heads using biblical 'fairy tales'


Posted: February 18, 2005

Television personality Bill Maher, host of HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher," says Christians and others who are religious suffer from a neurological disorder that "stops people from thinking."

Appearing as a guest on MSNBC's "Scarborough County" this week, Maher told host Joe Scarborough:

"We are a nation that is unenlightened because of religion. I do believe that. I think that religion stops people from thinking. I think it justifies crazies. I think flying planes into a building was a faith-based initiative. I think religion is a neurological disorder. If you look at it logically, it's something that was drilled into your head when you were a small child. It certainly was drilled into mine at that age. And you really can't be responsible when you are a kid for what adults put into your head."

The former host of "Politically Incorrect" said the lack of enlightenment of so many Americans means the nation actually has more in common with its enemies than one might think.

Said Maher: "When you look at beliefs in such things as, do you go to heaven, is there a devil, we have more in common with Turkey and Iran and Syria than we do with European nations and Canada and nations that, yes, I would consider more enlightened than us."

Maher explained that he was not singling out evangelicals, but was targeting all "religious" people.

"I think the vote in Missouri [rejecting same-sex marriage] and a lot of other states is because people are religious," Maher said. "They don't have to be evangelical, but they're religious. They believe in religion, which as – I think it was Jesse Ventura who had that quote about religion is a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers."

The television host told Scarborough he was convinced evangelicals' influence will wane.

Said Maher: "When people say to me, 'You hate America,' I don't hate America. I love America. I am just embarrassed that it has been taken over by people like evangelicals, by people who do not believe in science and rationality. It is the 21st century. And I will tell you, my friend. The future does not belong to the evangelicals. The future does not belong to religion."

Later in the interview, Maher returned to the childhood-religion theme, comparing fairy tales to Bible stories:

"When you were a kid and they were telling you whatever you believe in religion, do you think if they had switched the fairy tales that they read to you in bed with the Bible, you would know the difference?

"Do you think if it was the fairy tale about a man who lived inside of a whale and it was religion that Jack built a beanstalk today, you would know the difference? Why do you believe in one fairy tale and not the other? Just because adults told you it was true and they scared you into believing it, at pain of death, at pain of burning in hell."

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

a bit of a 'generalization', i'd say. i'd also say that there is truth to this for many.

"When people say to me, 'You hate America,' I don't hate America. I love America. I am just embarrassed that it has been taken over by people like evangelicals, by people who do not believe in science and rationality. It is the 21st century. And I will tell you, my friend. The future does not belong to the evangelicals. The future does not belong to religion."

i don't consider these true christians. i consider them politicos with an agenda.

christine  posted on  2005-02-18   10:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#1)

i don't consider these true christians. i consider them politicos with an agenda.

True Christianity died when James was stoned to death by the followers of Paul.

But to address Maher's comments, it's a big generalization. The problem with Christianity in America is not the flock. The problem is the shepherds. They tell their congregations lies and half-truths in order to push an agenda of intolerance and hatred. Lies about Muslims, lies about the supposed Holy Land, and lies to get them to support the state of Israel. People want to trust their pastors, so they find it hard to question the rhetoric without being shunned by the rest of the congregation.

CyberChrist  posted on  2005-02-18   12:13:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Brian S (#0)

That's what W's pshyco testing of ameriKans is going to find out.

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2005-02-18   12:17:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: christine (#1)

The key difference here is that Maher's career will not be ended by saying this, however if he had said the same thing about another ethno-religous group then he would be 'disappeared'.

1776  posted on  2005-02-18   16:50:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Brian S (#0)

Said Maher: "When people say to me, 'You hate America,' I don't hate America. I love America. I am just embarrassed that it has been taken over by people like evangelicals, by people who do not believe in science and rationality. It is the 21st century. And I will tell you, my friend. The future does not belong to the evangelicals. The future does not belong to religion."

So says the man who one day will wake up in the fires of hell unless he at least changes his hatred of Christians.

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-18   17:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: CyberChrist (#2)

and most of the "churches" are 50l(c) 3's beholding to the state.

christine  posted on  2005-02-18   18:27:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: 1776 (#4)

t'is true.

christine  posted on  2005-02-18   18:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#5)

So says the man who one day will wake up in the fires of hell unless he at least changes his hatred of Christians.

Oh, my friend. Tsk. There is no such thing as hell. We've been thru that. And if he's going to this mythic place, so am I, cuz I hate most of 'em too. (Christians).

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-18   18:30:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#5)

I've seen you post on the net a long time, an obviously intelligent person, so I don't understand the power these institutionalized faerie tales have over you (or anyone else).

:)

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-18   18:32:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Samuel Gray (#9)

Tis called FAITH, my friend.

Something that is intangible and eternal.

I cannot understand how you can look out over the beauty of this world, or the sweetness of a newborn baby - And yet, deny HIS existence.

Different sides of the same coin, I suppose.

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-18   18:42:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Samuel Gray (#8)

Oh, my friend. Tsk. There is no such thing as hell.

YESSIR!!!!! I WORK THERE!!!!!!

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-18   18:45:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Samuel Gray (#8)

hate most of 'em too. (Christians).

Then you hate me?

Or do you hate the neocon, new age Christians????

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-18   18:46:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#10)

Let's just say it's not so much "his" existence I have a problem with as the Christian "biography" of him. ;)

I suppose I'll see in the end. I drove past a church tonight and they had this sign up that said "Stop, Drop, and Roll Won't Work in Hell..." and I thought again (and not for the first time), if this is all these people got, I'll take my shot in hell.

Besides, I've lost a lot of weight, I get cold a lot easier than I used to. I can take the heat.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-18   18:47:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Samuel Gray (#13)

Let's just say it's not so much "his" existence I have a problem with as the Christian "biography" of him. ;)

Then tell me, what is your take on Him?

;0)

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-18   18:49:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#12)

Then you hate me?

Aw, c'mon. I don't hate you. You confound me with that diamond wall of faith that no amount of logic or data to the contrary can breach, but no, quite the opposite, where you're concerned.

The rest of 'em, case by case basis, but as a species, I could live without 'em.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-18   18:49:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Samuel Gray (#15)

You confound me with that diamond wall of faith that no amount of logic or data to the contrary can breach

THAT is the beauty of faith! I believe with my heart and my soul. all logic and data changes as the times change. Faith never changes and God never changes.

Why place my heart upon the evershifting sands when I can place it on firm foundations???

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-18   18:52:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#14)

your take on Him?

Short version, He runs a rigged game. He imposes restrictions on those of us created in "his image" while everything he does is permissible because "only he understands the plan." He's JimRob with a better PR team.

Nice work if you can get it.

A friend of mine in grad school gave the best working theory on "God" that I've heard, that he's a colossal game player, that he and his dark half "The Adversary" play these little passion plays all through the universes, throughout time, just for shits and giggles. Next iteration, Satan gets to be the good guy, God gets to be the bad. A Universal Holodeck, if you will.

Even that is too complicated, though.

I acknowledge his existence with the same disinterest He has shown in mine.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-18   18:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#16)

THAT is the beauty of faith! I believe with my heart and my soul. all logic and data changes as the times change. Faith never changes and God never changes.

Why place my heart upon the evershifting sands when I can place it on firm foundations???

Nothing I can say will persuade you that you are wrong, so I'll just shake my head, and say with fondness "whatever makes you happy."

:)

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-18   18:57:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Samuel Gray (#18)

But I am not the one who is wrong....

=0)

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-18   19:01:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Brian S (#0)

Fucking idiot is satan spawned! Anyone who would look to this moron for enlightment on anything is a bigger idiot than he.

rowdee  posted on  2005-02-18   19:02:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#19)

I'm comfortable with that possibility. I've made my choice.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-18   19:03:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: rowdee (#20)

Fucking idiot is satan spawned! Anyone who would look to this moron for enlightment on anything is a bigger idiot than he.

So don't hold it in.

Tell us how you really feel!

/chuckle

Brian S  posted on  2005-02-18   19:03:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: rowdee (#20)

howdee, Rowdee. Good too see you again!

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-18   19:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#19)

Amen to your comments, Cappy. Keep on faithing.......cause that's where it is at.

rowdee  posted on  2005-02-18   19:07:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Brian S (#22)

Actually, Maher is right, as far as he goes. The fables are indistinguishable from each other, except the ones in the book marked "Brothers Grimm" are make believe, and the ones in the book marked "Holy Bible" are absolute and infallible.

They both contain the same incredible flights of fantasy, fantastic supernatural deeds and beings, yet one we're supposed to enjoy for entertainment value and then eschew as our thought processes mature, and the other, we're supposed to adopt as a benchmark by which to lead our lives, and inculcate in our children the fear of this "LOVING" Being who holds us (lovingly) suspended over the pit of Hell, and will (lovingly) toss us in there to eternal torment if we don't love him back?

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-18   19:08:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: rowdee (#24)

Keep on faithing.......cause that's where it is at.

"Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe."

I admit faith would make lots of things easier, but I just can't do it.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-18   19:11:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Samuel Gray (#23)

Thank you, sir.... This is the pits.............sit back trying to control my mouth.....and some fuckin idiot form hollywierd has to open his! Grrrrr........

rowdee  posted on  2005-02-18   19:12:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: rowdee (#27)

Aw, hell, Dee, let 'er go. CAPPS is tryin to save my eternally damned soul, and I ain't buyin.

Jump right on in. ;)

I was raised in a Southern Baptist home, and I can sorta see a lot of what he means.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-18   19:16:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Samuel Gray (#28)

CAPPS is tryin to save my eternally damned soul

You ARE loved Les, whether you LIKE it or NOT. He loves you despite your loathing of Him.

Kinda sucks, don't it???

=0)

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-18   19:21:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#29)

He loves you despite your loathing of Him.

Good, then He can show it when I pop in unnanounced at the Gates and just comp me.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-18   19:23:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Samuel Gray (#30)

Good, then He can show it when I pop in unnanounced at the Gates and just comp me.

LOL!

You are so blinded by your anger at Him, that you simply will not see the blessings that He has already given you.

But He knows this - You will come to peace with Him before your time comes.

And maybe, when you do show up - He will "comp" you, then hug you and tell you Himself how much He loves you. I don't know - Only He knows for sure.

(and let you place your hand in His nail scarred one)

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-18   19:27:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#31)

This is getting like that Meat Loaf song...

baby, we could talk all night, but that ain't gettin us nowhere...

;)

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-18   19:29:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Samuel Gray (#32)

some times it takes a loooooooong time.....

but I don't give up easily.

;0)

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-18   19:31:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Samuel Gray (#28)

If you can kinda see where he is coming from, then perhaps if he hadn't been such a fuckin idiot painting with the gawdawful broad brush, he coulda/woulda/shoulda presented a real argument/debate.

Naw..........couldn't do that, now! It wouldn't draw the potential headlines and bullshit from his loonyassed friends.

How is it that fucking idiots like him can swallow the bullshit that he is a monkey without blinking an eye, and yet deride Jonah being swallowed up by a whale? NOTE: Here I will concede that he and his ilk probably are descended from monkeys, though it is more believeable to say he's descended from jackasses.

And even here............discussing monkeys............if one actually wanted to believe he descended from a monkey, when God breathed into the monkey, he created something different and unique.

It bothers me not a whit that idiots on both sides of the aisle want to debate whether the earth is a million years old, or 10 million or 500 million. The Bible doesn't set a time frame........and a day of God's time could be a million years in human time.

There is no way I'm convinced all of our universe and what is in it happened by 'happenstance', or that it evolved from one single-celled 'it'. Most certainly none of the fuckin idiot hollyweird types could convince me. And I don't want the likes of falwell and robertson telling me how they see it!

rowdee  posted on  2005-02-18   19:46:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#29)

Tell 'em, cappy! :)

rowdee  posted on  2005-02-18   19:47:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#33)

some times it takes a loooooooong time.....

I'm a witness to that.

And I now mourn all those lost years, and am trying like crazy to play catchup!

rowdee  posted on  2005-02-18   19:50:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: rowdee (#34)

OK, you and CAPPS start a church and I'll join it.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-18   19:53:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: CAPPSMADNESS, rowdee, christine (#33)

Well said. Thanks for the witness.

Listen up, SG.

Lod  posted on  2005-02-18   20:00:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: rowdee (#34)

Try to look at it from the perspective of someone who has seen neither the belief system or the fairy tales, you're a hypothetical total outsider. You read stories about Jack and the Beanstalk, magic beans, geese that lay golden eggs, etc.

Then, you read stories about a giant boat that holds two of every animal species on earth, the commissioning of which was ordered by a giant booming voice from the sky, or a man who comes to earth, supposedly born of a non-sexual union between spirit and human, is tortured to death, and then resurrected, offering "atonement" for the sins of mankind, past present and future.

How would you differentiate between the two, which was "real" and which was made up? Then someone comes along and tells you that in one case, man made these stories up and they're nothing more than entertainment, while on the other hand, these stories were given to man from his "Creator" and contained the blueprint by which he should model his life.

You would probably be thinking "you're kidding me, right?"

You also have to concede that the knee jerk reactions of many professed christians seem to indicate a paucity of linear, logical thought. They react out of ignorance, or because of their perception that "God said it, that settles it" without applying critical thought to the situation.

Yes, Maher painted with a broad brush, and he did so deliberately, but you must concede he at least has a point, no matter how poorly he made it.

The other stuff about age of the earth, etc, we could discuss for days, and we'd end up at a philosophical loggerheads over God's concept of time. Did he, didn't he, how do you explain this, or can we let this pass unchallenged, and we'd still end up where we started, each with his or her own set of biases and conclusions, you believing, and me unbelieving.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-18   20:06:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Brian S (#0)

I think he's confusing religion and fundamentalism, but he on the whole he's right. There are lots of fine religious people, who feel it expresses their belief system. Then there are those who, without a WHIT of evidence, believe every word in a book written in patches over hundreds of years by people who with no first-hand knowledge of anything they were writing about, then put through a HEAVY edit by a bunch of highly political mucky-mucks in the Catholic Church.

If I were to insist that every word in, say, Winnie the Pooh, was absolutely and irrefutably true, you'd rightly call me nuts.

Mekons4  posted on  2005-02-18   20:11:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Mekons4 (#40)

Ah, an ally! Thank God! (uh, metaphorically speaking, of course).

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-18   20:12:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: christine (#6)

and most of the "churches" are 50l(c) 3's beholding to the state.

If Jesus came back the "Christians" would kill Him again. They worship the $, their god is in their wallet.

1776  posted on  2005-02-18   20:20:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Samuel Gray, christine (#8)

Just think, if there is a hell, you know all your friends will be there so it won't seem so bad.

1776  posted on  2005-02-18   20:21:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: 1776 (#43)

Most of the punk clubs I hung out in during my youth would probably fit their definition of "hell." Actually, one was CALLED "Hell."

Mekons4  posted on  2005-02-18   20:30:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Samuel Gray (#39)

His news that there are phonies is absolutely NOTHING NEW. The Bible foretells of this and warns against falling for the false ones who lead people astray.

What is it about the resurrection you can't believe?

What about being tortured on the cross is unbelievable, when the past year has been full of news regarding mankinds inhumanity to man.

I don't recall that in Jack and the Beanstalk, nor Cinderella, nor other fairy tales telling people to love one another, to be moral/upright, or that the main character in the fairy tales declared they were the truth, or the light, or the way; nor that he was the way to get to his father.

rowdee  posted on  2005-02-18   20:54:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: rowdee (#45)

Jack and the Beanstalk,

Hey now "Jack and the Beanstalk" is my basis of "Belief"...

You gotta problem with that???

Brian S  posted on  2005-02-18   21:01:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: 1776 (#42)

If Jesus came back the "Christians" would kill Him again. They worship the $, their god is in their wallet.

Well, that leaves me out, as I don't have any $$$$$.

Money is a false and treacherous lover - she will leave you desolate and jaded.

God has never done that to me. I apparently cannot speak for others tho.

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-19   0:52:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Brian S (#46)

Did you slay a giant? May I call you David?

Or are you and your fellow "believers" referred to Jackasses???

kidding of course!

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-19   0:53:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: rowdee (#45)

Git 'R Done Dee!

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-19   0:54:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: 1776 (#43)

Just think, if there is a hell, you know all your friends will be there so it won't seem so bad.

Somehow, seeing people I love suffer, would seem worse than suffering myself.

I think I'd rather see Les at the Pearly Gates, as well as Christine. I will even give up my spot (if my name is in the Book of Life) for either of them.

Pure love takes sacrifice, and I will sacrifice for a friend.

See? Christianity isn't such a bad thing!

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-19   0:57:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Mekons4 (#40)

I think he's confusing religion and fundamentalism, but he on the whole he's right. There are lots of fine religious people, who feel it expresses their belief system. Then there are those who, without a WHIT of evidence, believe every word in a book written in patches over hundreds of years by people who with no first-hand knowledge of anything they were writing about, then put through a HEAVY edit by a bunch of highly political mucky-mucks in the Catholic Church.

If I were to insist that every word in, say, Winnie the Pooh, was absolutely and irrefutably true, you'd rightly call me nuts.

I am one of those who believe that the Bible is the written Word of God, albiet heavily edited over the years.

I would love to see the chapters left out by the catholic church (as they say they don't "fit" doctrine. - does that make me nuts?

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-19   1:00:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#50)

Somehow, seeing people I love suffer, would seem worse than suffering myself.

If people are suffering.. guess you're not in heaven? :p

Hey girl.. how are ya?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-02-19   1:02:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#51)

I am one of those who believe that the Bible is the written Word of God

As I am as well.. and bible translators today have much more resources with the thousands upon thousands of manuscripts that verify the accuracy of the Bible.

Accuracy Defined and Illustrated

Zipporah  posted on  2005-02-19   1:06:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: rowdee (#36)

And I now mourn all those lost years, and am trying like crazy to play catchup!

Don't mourn them - Jesus knew where you would end up. He also knew that you had to find your own way.

And the beauty of believing is that you never have to play "catch up - you are loved no matter if you are a young Christian as much as a well studied Christian is.

That is the true joy of being saved - you are acceptedas you are - warts and all.

unconditional love is a wonderful thing. You are a great woman Dee - as the song says:

Take your candle, Go light your world!

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-19   1:08:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Zipporah (#52)

If people are suffering.. guess you're not in heaven? :p

Yes, people are sufferring, and i would help them all if I could. But I was referring to giving up my spot in haeven for a friend just so I would not witness a friend suffer.

I am doing okay - and you?

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-19   1:10:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#55)

But I was referring to giving up my spot in haeven for a friend just so I would not witness a friend suffer.

I understand..

Doing okay.. getting ready to call it a night ..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-02-19   1:15:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Zipporah (#56)

I just got woke up by my fish flop arm. Hope I can go back to bed soon myself.

sleep well, Zippy!

Love & Friends, Cappy

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-19   1:22:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#54)

Thanks, Cappy, for the encouraging words...

I absolutely agree that Christ knew where I was all along, just like the lost tribes weren't/aren't lost from God's sight.

:)

rowdee  posted on  2005-02-19   1:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: rowdee (#58)

I absolutely agree that Christ knew where I was all along, just like the lost tribes weren't/aren't lost from God's sight

We all wonder off the path, while some choose to stay lost, others fight all their lives to re-find the way.

I think God knows this, even expects it. Much like we expect a little one to fall alot when it first starts to walk.

I also believe that God created us as we are and any changes that occur in our personalities are due to Him, not ourselves.

See, I'm a bit "off-Kilter", but I believe God made me that way. He gave me a sense of humor and a goofy personality to get me through the "rough patches" or when I fall from the path.

I think God made you a strong personality to help you get through your life.

I really believe when the Bible speaks of "gifts", we all have them, but they are sometimes hard to recognize in this cold world.

You are a good person, and you are right. The lost tribes are not lost from God's sight, they have lost sight of God.

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-19   9:26:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: christine (#7)

Of course I don't expect Mr Maher to ridicule his religion/ethno group but it does annoy me that so many of the films and comedy and so on that come from that same Hollywood element won't do to their own what they do, over and over and over again, to Christians.

1776  posted on  2005-02-19   9:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Zipporah (#52)

If people are suffering.. guess you're not in heaven? :p

Nope, that particular realm is called marriage.

It's practice for hell. :D

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-19   9:50:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Samuel Gray (#61)

Nope, that particular realm is called marriage.

It's practice for hell. :

I thought it was called WORK????

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-19   9:53:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: rowdee, CAPPSMADNESS (#45)

What is it about the resurrection you can't believe?

Well, since I don't know of anyone who's ever come back from the dead, then I guess I'd answer your question as "all of it."

That was my point about the fairy tale aspect of it, Dee. If you had no frame of reference, ie, growing up in it "immersed" as I was, it would all sound like so much fantasy.

In my defense, I've tried it. There was a time where I even WANTED to believe, but it just never got a good "scald" on me. I showed up, I said OK, I'm ready to do this, and no one was in the office, so I never went back.

Now I watch my family get all wound up in that stuff, and I can't even answer the questions my daughters ask me without either risking a fight, or telling them outrightly that I no longer believe in God, Jesus, heaven, or hell anymore, so I just answer every question they have about God or Jesus with "I don't know" or "Ask your mother" and go on my way.

Sorry I had to leave the discussion last night, I was baking cookies with the girls.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-19   9:57:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Samuel Gray (#61)

Nope, that particular realm is called marriage.

It's practice for hell. :D

ROFL!! On that I cannot disagree.. at least in my experience.. LOL

Zipporah  posted on  2005-02-19   9:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#62)

Hon, my work is a cakewalk compared to my marriage. Most days I still enjoy my job. ;)

Good mornin'

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-19   9:58:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: 1776 (#60)

Of course I don't expect Mr Maher to ridicule his religion/ethno group but it does annoy me that so many of the films and comedy and so on that come from that same Hollywood element won't do to their own what they do, over and over and over again, to Christians.

Of course not.. that is totally unacceptable.. Hmm interesting I've never heard the term anti-Christianites have you?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-02-19   9:59:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Samuel Gray (#63)

Good daddies are made by God, Les.

You believe - you just will NEVER admit it because you are angry at Him. But I know that deep inside, you have a faith. Or how would you be able to care about a total stranger?

Do you want to hit me yet???

;0)

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-19   10:00:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Samuel Gray (#65)

Wanna trade jobs???

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-19   10:00:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#68)

Wanna trade jobs???

No thanks. Not with those two gravitationally preferred slugs you work with.

My job is sometimes a pain in the ass, but they leave me alone, don't bother me about working out an hour every day, and give me free high speed internet access. My colleagues even keep my desk drawer full of low carb candy bars, peanuts, etc.

You can go to a joke shop and invest ten bucks in a great stress reliever for those two idiots you work with. Remember this name: Remote Controlled Fart Machine.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-19   10:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#67)

Do you want to hit me yet???

Nah, but if you start speaking in tongues and handling poisonous snakes, we'll have to re-evaluate that.

You can take the girl outta WV...

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-19   10:06:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Samuel Gray (#70)

You can take the girl outta WV...

But it makes her very cranky!

I want to go home!

Oh, and I don't shake snakes - In WV - we eat them.

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-19   10:08:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#71)

I don't shake snakes - In WV - we eat them.

That could explain all the smiling male faces on those WV tourist ads...

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-19   10:11:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Samuel Gray (#72)

That could explain all the smiling male faces on those WV tourist ads...

you could have a point there.....

But I think it's more due to drinking in the bar all day cause there ain't no jobs.

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-02-19   10:13:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#67)

Or how would you be able to care about a total stranger?

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-19   10:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: All (#74)

Or how would you be able to care about a total stranger?

Whoops...

That was supposed to read: I'm a natural born empath, which is a real pain in the ass sometimes. I assure you it has nothing to do with my faith, or lack/loss of it.

;)

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-19   10:33:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#73)

How do they afford booze and cigarettes? Do the bars in Byrdland take food stamps?

Samuel Gray  posted on  2005-02-19   10:33:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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