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Title: GOP turns impeachment resolution against Dems
Source: The Hill
URL Source: http://thehill.com/leading-the-news ... n-against-dems-2007-11-07.html
Published: Nov 7, 2007
Author: Jonathan E. Kaplan
Post Date: 2007-11-07 15:52:19 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 174
Comments: 11

GOP turns impeachment resolution against Dems

By Jonathan E. Kaplan

November 07, 2007

House Republicans on Tuesday nearly forced Democratic leaders to vote on a resolution to impeach Vice President Cheney.

Anti-war presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) introduced a privileged resolution, used to circumvent the committee process, to get his impeachment measure to the House floor.

The vote to kill Kucinch’s privileged resolution began as a largely party-line affair, but halfway through the vote, Rep. John Shadegg (R-Ariz.) persuaded Republican leaders to get rank-and-file GOP lawmakers to change their votes to force the debate.

At one point, the vote to table the motion stood at 246-165. Once Republicans began switching their votes, momentum swung the other way. When the vote stood at 205-206, some Democrats began switching their votes.

The vote to kill Kucinich’s resolution finally failed 162-251, giving Republicans the opportunity to watch Democrats debate whether to impeach Cheney — a debate in which many liberal Democrats were more than willing to engage.

House Republicans clearly enjoyed watching Democratic leaders squirm during the series of votes, which lasted more than one hour.

“The determination was made that if Democrats are going to waste time and resources with a resolution like this, then it should be thoroughly debated,” said Brian Kennedy, the spokesman for Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio), adding that the charges against Cheney were “ludicrous.”

Nadeam Elshami, a spokesman for Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), accused Republicans of “wasting time.”

“They’re voting to impeach the vice president. What does that say about the support for President Bush in the Republican Conference?” he added, trying to put the best face on a situation Democratic leaders had wanted to avoid.

What happened next exposed the ideological fissures in the Democratic Caucus. Kucinich stared down Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), who has been critical of the war but does not want to get bogged down in a political impeachment quagmire. Pelosi has taken the same stance.

Hoyer and Democratic leaders succeeded by a 218-194 vote to get a majority of Democrats to stop further debate. The House then voted by the same margin to send Kucinich’s resolution to the House Judiciary Committee, where it will be left to languish and die.

Since taking power, Hoyer and Pelosi have said that impeachment is “off the table.” He told reporters on Tuesday that he expected Kucinich’s resolution would fail when it reached the House floor, but prediction did not pan out.

“This administration has approximately 12 months to 14 months to go. We have some major priorities. We believe that we need to pursue those policies and focus on those policies,” Hoyer said.

In a separate statement, Hoyer called the debate “a continuation of Republicans’ gotcha games that achieve nothing more than short-term entertainment for themselves, while showing their disdain for the importance of the people’s business.”

Added Hoyer: “This episode has served to demonstrate once again the absence of a real Republican agenda for the American people.”

“Democrats don’t want to imitate the Republican effort to impeach Bill Clinton,” said University of Virginia political scientist Larry Sabato. “It backfired then and it would backfire now. The term has got a year to run. What’s the point?”

Mike Soraghan contributed to this report.

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#1. To: aristeides (#0)

What I find most hilarious, is that nobody thought about impeachment in 2001, after the single biggest blunder concerning national security took place.

NOT ONE PERSON, NOT ONE IN OFFICE DARED TO THINK THAT WE SHOULD HOLD OUR "ELECTED" OFFICIALS ACCOUNTABLE FOR 9-11's Blunders.

Why? because they are all just as incompetent as the people they're currently trying to malign. Every last politician should have been immediately removed from office for the lapses in security on 9-11. Every person who runs the FBI, CIA, and NSA, everyone who was in charge that day, should have been fired, then brought up on charges of Dereliction Of Duty.

Every person at NORAD who KNEW that it wasn't just another drill, should have been courtmartialed for dereliction of duty.

The President and Vice President should have been immediately impeached for gross negligence, and incompetence.

Nothing of the kind happened. They talked about times of healing, as we went to war with Iraq.

This country deserves the government it has.

Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2007-11-07   15:56:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: aristeides (#0)

What’s the point?”

The point is that those in the administration are criminals and should be indicted, prosecuted, convicted and punished to the max. Isn't the penalty for treason execution?

angle  posted on  2007-11-07   16:03:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#1)

www.whitakeronline.org/082804.htm#second

Whitaker's Law of Experts goes this way:

1.) When there is a crisis in a given area, it is almost invariably because the experts in that area failed to see something they should have seen or didn't prepare for it or caused the crisis by just plain screwing up;

2.) So who does the government call in to solve the crisis?

3.) It calls in the experts, the experts who caused the crisis or let it happen.

In 1870 France fought Germany. The French Army was bigger than the German Army, but the German Army used speed and outflanked the French and totally defeated them

In 1914 France fought Germany. Much of the German Army was occupied on the Eastern Front, so the French Army was bigger than the German Army. The German Army used speed and outflanked the French and totally defeated them. Paris was saved by using its taxicabs.

In 1940 France fought Germany. France had massive defense preparations, but the German Army used speed and outflanked the French and totally defeated them

All this time, each generation of French military experts were training and giving promotions to the next generation of French military experts.

When 9/11 occurred, experts were consulted. The security agencies were called in to give their expert advice. Not one single security bureaucrat was reprimanded, much less fired. They all got more money and many of them got promoted because we needed more security experts because of 9/11.

One thing every security expert agrees on is that we shouldn't "play the blame game."

Now if the French defeats in 1870, 1914 and 1940 and the disaster of 9/11 didn't break the solid front of experts protecting experts, what do you think happens when the ones in the security agencies get to protect each other with the magic words, Top Secret?

blackeagle  posted on  2007-11-07   16:14:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: blackeagle (#3)

Adm. Kimmel and Gen. Short were punished after Pearl Harbor, arguably unjustly.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-11-07   16:18:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: blackeagle, *9-11* (#3)

nice, I especially liked this: Paris was saved by using its taxicabs.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!

robin  posted on  2007-11-07   16:23:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: blackeagle (#3) (Edited)

BTW, are you familiar with Blackadder series? Blackadder Goes Fourth is set in WWI and revolves around the abundance of stupid expert advice.

Stephen Fry as General Melchett and Rowan Atkinson as Blackadder:

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!

robin  posted on  2007-11-07   16:44:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: robin (#6)

Yea I am, but I haven't seen this one. Thanks for the link!

blackeagle  posted on  2007-11-07   16:47:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: blackeagle (#7)

Here's a taste; I just added a youtube video.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!

robin  posted on  2007-11-07   16:51:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: robin (#8)

haha!

blackeagle  posted on  2007-11-07   17:03:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#1) (Edited)

This country deserves the government it has.

Unfortunately you are correct. When people are unwilling to fight for their freedom becasue they are doing OK, even though the country as a whole isn't, they are showing that they are not much different than the self-centered traitorous leaders of corporate America. Americans use to care for each other and were proud to call themselves Americans and buy products made in the USA. Now most of the "patriots" in America are those waving the flag to "support" the war on terror. True patriots are called isolationists and anti-war moonbats.

The fact that Americans haven't demanded an independent and real investigation of 9/11 shows that most of them deserve whatever they get from our government. 9/11 should wake up people of normal intelligence and make them as mad as hell that their own government did this to them, but still 6 years after the slaughter of that day, it has yet to happen.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2007-11-07   17:26:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: blackeagle (#3)

Can I call you my new best friend?

Thank you for your incredibly intelligent post. Someone who actually understands WHY people should be angry about how things have gone down.

Sir, I salute you.

Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2007-11-07   20:44:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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