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Title: Jews Are NOT The "Chosen People"
Source: Real Jew News
URL Source: http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=60
Published: Nov 9, 2007
Author: Brother Nathanael Kapner
Post Date: 2007-11-09 10:44:29 by BroNathanael
Keywords: Jews, Chosen People, Christians
Views: 325
Comments: 19

A Special Report By Former Jew Br Nathanael Kapner For: Real Jew News @ http://www.realjewnews.com **See Revealing Pics** @ http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=60

Jews Are NOT The "Chosen People"

HOW CAN THE JEWS who oppose their own Messiah, Jesus Christ, be the “Chosen People?” Did not St Paul the Hebrew of Hebrews say that the Jews are the enemies of the Cross? (Philipians 3 ).

When St Paul said, The Jews killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets; they please not God but are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath of God is come unto them to the uttermost, be the “Chosen People?”

And did not Jesus Christ Himself reveal that the Jews are of the Synagogue of Satan? (Revelations 2). Jesus Christ also revealed that the Jews are not true Jews when He said to the Christians of Asia Minor, I will make them who say they are Jews but are not, but do lie, to come and worship before thy feet. (Revelations 3).

How then can the so-called Jews who are now the enemies of the Cross and of the Synagogue of Satan, and who must worship at the feet of Christians, be the “Chosen People?”

Jesus Christ the Messiah of Israel denounced the Jews for rejecting Him when He said, Behold your house is left unto you desolate. Therefore, you shall not see Me until you say, Blessed is He Who cometh in the name of the Lord. (St Matthew 23)

How then can the Jews whose house is now desolate be the “Chosen People?” When the Jews cast in their teeth that they were the seed of Abraham, Jesus replied, You are of your father of the devil who was a murderer from the beginning. (St John 8).

Indeed the Jews committing the crime of all crimes, namely, Deicide, when they brought Jesus Christ to Pilate demanding that he crucify Jesus Christ even when Pilate wanted to let Him go. (St Matthew 27). How then can the Jews whose father is the devil and who crucified the Lord of Glory be the “Chosen People?”

DID NOT JESUS CHRIST say, Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees! For you compass sea and land to make one proselyte. And when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves? (St Matthew 23). Even secular Jews defer to the rabbis as their leaders when it comes to interpreting Jewish dogma. How then can the Jews who are children of hell be the “Chosen People?”

How could the Jews to whom Jesus Christ said, Because you do not believe, you are not of my sheep be the “Chosen People?” (St John 10). For to this day the majority of the Jews do not believe in Jesus Christ. What then is their “chosen-ness” if they are not of the Messiah’s sheep?

St John the apostle said, Many deceivers are gone out into the world who deny that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and anti christ. (II John 1). How then can the Jews who to this day deny that Jesus Christ the eternal Son of God became man for our salvation be the “Chosen People?” Will we be “deceived” by the Jews that they are the Chosen People? Again, what then is the Jews’ “chosen-ness?”

In the book of Revelations it is written: But the fearful and the unbelieving and the liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire. This is the second death.

1. The Jews are fearful of death.

2. The Jews are unbelieving. They do not believe in the God of the Bible but in the god of the Talmud.

3. The Jews are liars. For they say that they are God’s chosen people when God says that they are an “accursed people” because of their sins. (Isaiah 66:20).

——- Thus the “chosen-ness” of the Jews is their being chosen to experience the second death, that is, the “lake of fire. ——-

MOSES WHOM THE JEWS boast as being their hero pronounced a blessing and a curse on the Jews. God, said Moses, would bless the Jews if they showed their love for Him by accepting the “Prophet” Whose teachings would be required of the Jews. (Deuteronomy 13).

But the Jews crucified the “Prophet” rather than receiving His teachings on repentance and confession of his Divine right to demand obedience. Thus the curses that Moses pronounced upon the Jews have been the Jews’ experience over the last 2000 years. (Deuteronomy 28).

Hated, persecuted, censured, (rightly so), wandering from nation to nation when expelled from their host nations, and wreaking havoc wherever they go in their hatred of Christianity, the Jews have indeed experienced the curses predicted of them by Moses and thedesolation that Jesus Christ predicted of the Jews for rejecting Him.

JEWS ARE NOT THE “Chosen People.” Christians are the “Chosen People.” God said to Abraham, I will bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse thee. And in thy seed all of the nations shall be blessed (Genesis 12,26). What “blessings” have the Jews brought to the world since 33 A.D.? Just read today’s headlines and one can clearly see that “curses” have been brought upon society by the Jews.

The War in Iraq serves only the interests of the Jews and their promotion of the Christ-hating State of Israel. The tragedy of the World Trade Center was a result of the Jewish Zionist agenda. The secularization of Western society is caused by the Jews, which has debased the morals of once Christian nations, now rife with the abominations of anal sex if homosexuals and the perverse sexual conduct of lesbians. Are all of these things “blessings” from the so-called, “seed of Abraham,” the Jews? No. These are all “curses” brought upon us by the “seed of the devil,” the Jews.

Christians Are God’s “Chosen People” Not Jews. Christians are the “seed of Abraham.” This is what St Paul the Hebrew of Hebrews said over and over again. Here is one instance of St Paul’s many assertions Christians being the seed of Abraham: If ye be Christ’s then are ye Abraham’s seed. (Galatians 3:29).

WHEN JESUS CHRIST said to his disciples, “I have chosen you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should remain,” Christians were sealed as God’s Chosen Peoplefor all time. Jews can share in the Christians’ “chosen-ness.” Jews do not have to continue in a state of “accursedness” and “desolation.” Jesus Christ offers the Jews the chance to embrace Him and have His blessed name called upon them. Yes Jews if they will repent can be called Christians too!

Yes Jews, like myself, a former-Jew, and thousand of others like me, can say, “Blessed is He Who Comes in the name of the Lord! Then the Jews can look forward to heaven and not the lake of fire.

Brother Nathanael…Street Evangelist! @ http://www.brothernathanael.com/

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#1. To: BroNathanael (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-11-09   11:30:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#0)

Can someone tell me how to edit the post above?

I wished to insert on St Paul's quote of Jews being contrary to all men: did he not make it crystal clear that the Jews are not the Chosen People?

This is in the 2nd paragraph. bn

BroNathanael  posted on  2007-11-09   12:05:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BroNathanael (#0)

Jews can share in the Christians’ “chosen-ness.” Jews do not have to continue in a state of “accursedness” and “desolation.” Jesus Christ offers the Jews the chance to embrace Him and have His blessed name called upon them. Yes Jews if they will repent can be called Christians too!

Yes Jews, like myself, a former-Jew, and thousand of others like me, can say, “Blessed is He Who Comes in the name of the Lord! Then the Jews can look forward to heaven and not the lake of fire.

Amen.

1. The Jews are fearful of death.

2. The Jews are unbelieving. They do not believe in the God of the Bible but in the god of the Talmud.

This does not make for happy people. I think that's why they have the "take it while you can" attitude. They don't believe in an afterlife, and they don't belive they will be judged.

Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom010.html#3

"Chapter 4. JESUS IS GOD

"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Colossians 2:9).

The fact that Jesus is God is as firmly established in Scripture as the fact that God is one. The Bible teaches that Jesus is fully God and fully man. In this chapter we will discuss the former; in Chapter 5 - THE SON OF GOD the latter.

In the next few sections we will present and discuss scriptural proofs that Jesus is God, numbering them for the reader's convenience.

The Old Testament Testifies That Jesus Is God

1. Isaiah 9:6 is one of the most powerful proofs that Jesus is God: "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father The Prince of Peace." The terms child and son refer to the Incarnation or manifestation of "The mighty God" and "The everlasting Father." ...."

ourworld.compuserve.com/h...s/pentecostal/One-Ch4.htm

Isa 1:18 ¶ Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa001.html#18

www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/1/18.html

Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Rom 10:14 ¶ How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom010.html#3

Blessings on you, Nathaniel.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-11-09   13:36:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#3)

They don't believe in an afterlife, and they don't belive they will be judged.

That's not my understanding of Judaism.

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robin  posted on  2007-11-09   13:53:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: BroNathanael (#0)

Wonder what would happen if I started preaching that Whites/Christians were the Gods chosen race?

robnoel  posted on  2007-11-09   14:23:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BroNathanael (#0)

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-11-09   14:27:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: robnoel (#5)

Wonder what would happen if I started preaching that Whites/Christians were the Gods chosen race?

Your theory would probably be closer than the one accepted by most today !

It would surely fit scriptural writings better than the Hagee model.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-11-09   14:27:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: BroNathanael (#0)

All Creatures of God are His Children. I know that isn't accepted religious dogma, but that's the way I see it. There is no such thing as a "Chosen People".


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-09   14:33:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: FormerLurker (#8)

All Creatures of God are His Children. I know that isn't accepted religious dogma, but that's the way I see it. There is no such thing as a "Chosen People".

You are entitled to your beliefs, even if they may not be Biblical:

KJV English Concordance for "children of god"

The words children of god occur in 136 verses, including 9 exact phrase matches shown first:

Mat 5:9 Blessed [are] the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Luk 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Jhn 11:52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

Cite This Page:

Blue Letter Bible. "Dictionary and Word Search for 'children of god' " . Blue Letter Bible. 1996-2002. 9 Nov 2007. <>www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/words.pl?word=children+of+god&page=1>

The first four entries in the Bible for the word "chosen"

KJV English Concordance for "chosen"

chosen occurs 123 times in 119 verses: Page 1, verses 1 - 25

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Blue Letter Bible. "Dictionary and Word Search for 'chosen' " . Blue Letter Bible. 1996-2002. 9 Nov 2007. <>www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/words.pl?word=chosen&page=1>

Exd 14:7 And he took six hundred chosen chariots, and all the chariots of Egypt, and captains over every one of them.

Exd 15:4 Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.

Num 16:5 And he spake unto Korah and unto all his company, saying, Even to morrow the LORD will shew who [are] his, and [who is] holy; and will cause [him] to come near unto him: even [him] whom he hath chosen will he cause to come near unto him.

Deu 7:6 For thou [art] an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that [are] upon the face of the earth. [This is the key verse]

See how it prgresses to 1 Peter 2:9

1Pe 2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Deu/14/2.html

These passages omit a harsh, but very important link:

Isa 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa065.html#15

Now compare that verse with these, because these are its prophetic mate:

Jhn 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

Jhn 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, [Remember, Jesus Is God] and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn015.html#16

www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/15/16.html

Jesus didn't call some of those Jews His children....he called them the children of the Devil:

Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.

Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Jhn 8:45 And because I tell [you] the truth, ye believe me not.

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn008.html#44

It doesn't mean he hated them:

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.....

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn003.html#16

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Pe/2Pe003.html#9

For those who have never been introduced to Christ, I believe they will be judged for their good and for their bad, and that's just my opinion based on my understanding of the Bible:

2Cr 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body, according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad. www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Cr/5/10.html

2Cr 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rom/2/15.html

www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rom/2/12.html

Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as [his] eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified [rather] than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Luk/Luk018.html#13

www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Luk/18/14.html

Rom 9:15 — For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rom/9/15.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-11-09   20:46:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: robin (#4)

They don't believe in an afterlife, and they don't belive they will be judged.

That's not my understanding of Judaism.

I could be wrong, but I read that more than once...maybe they were referring to those unGodly Jews who are really just atheists, folks like the Illuminati.

This Bible passage could have been written for folks like them:

Isa 29:10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

Isa 29:11 ¶ And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which [men] deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it [is] sealed:

Isa 29:12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

Isa 29:13 ¶ Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near [me] with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

Isa 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, [even] a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise [men] shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent [men] shall be hid.

Isa 29:15 ¶ Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?......

www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/29/15.html

....but the Bible says even they can come to repentance and the knowledge of Christ, and be saved.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-11-09   21:07:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9)

A) As far as I've seen, nowhere is it written that ONLY one race of beings are the "Children of God". The TRUE God does not care about nationality or race, we are ALL His Children.

B) Of course, those writting the "Scriptures" like to portray themselves as the "Chosen People".

With the power of Rome, and the threat of being labeled a heretic and tortured to death, it was easy to force a belief system upon a population. Those that rebelled against it were put to death. Those writing the texts effectively were given the power of gods, as anything they wrote were considered the "word of God" Himself, where it is not God that wrote those texts, but MEN.

Not my idea of a "religion of peace". I do not trust what derives from pure evil, and would rather look for answers elsewhere.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-10   13:36:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#10)

Sorry no linK

Who Are God's Chosen People

By Ken Davies • 13320 Camino Canada, #6 • El Cajon, CA 92021

Does God have a “chosen people” today? If so, who are they? What makes them “chosen”? What were they chosen to do?

The answers to these questions can only be found in the Bible. As you study this subject in light of this essay, you may find that it contradicts what you have been taught. If this is so, it is because you have been taught a “system,” not the Bible. What does the term “chosen people” mean? Many think immediately of Israel. Is this correct? What does the Bible say:

“For you are a holy people to the Lord your God: the Lord your God has chosen you to be a special people to Himself, above all people that are on the face of the earth.” - Deut. 7:6

To whom was this spoken? A look at Deut. 6:3-4 reveals it was spoken to Israel. At that time, Israel consisted of all those that came out of Egypt with Moses (see Deut. 7:8). A very similar verse is Deut. 14:2: “For you are a holy people to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a peculiar people to Himself, above all the nations of the earth.” In 1 Chron. 16:13, Israel is called “His chosen ones”: “O you seed of Israel His servant, you children of Jacob, His chosen ones.” David wrote: “Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord, and the people whom He has chosen...” (Psa. 33:12). And: “O you seed of Abraham His servant, you children of Jacob His chosen...He brought forth His people with joy, and His chosen with gladness.” (Psa. 105:6, 43).

Isaiah records these words from the Lord: “But you, Israel, are My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham, My friend...You are My servant; I have chosen you, and not cast you away.” (Isa. 41:8-9) “‘You are My witnesses,’ says the Lord, ‘and My servant whom I have chosen....’ ” (Isa. 43:10). “...I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to My people, My chosen.” (Isa. 43:20). “Yet hear now, O Jacob My servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:” (Isa. 44:1). In Isa. 48:12, the Lord refers to them as “My called,” and Daniel calls them “His chosen people” (11:15).

From the above, it can be seen that the phrase, “chosen people” definitely applied to Israel.

But, what was the composition of OT Israel? According to the Bible, Israel was made up of:

1. the descendants of Jacob (Ex. 1:1; Josh. 13:6, etc.), and, 2. those who joined Israel through circumcision and keeping the law (Ex. 12:48f).

Keeping the covenant was a requirement for all those who wished to remain a part of Israel: “And the uncircumcised male...shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.” (Gen. 17:14). “...whoever eats leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day [of the Feast of Unleavened Bread], that soul shall be cut off from Israel...for whoever eats anything leavened, that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is a stranger, or born in the land.” (Ex. 12:15,19). For other examples, see: Ex. 30:32,38; 31:14; Lev. 7:20-21, 25,27; 17:4,9-10, 14; 18:29; 19:8; and Num. 15:30-31.

These Scriptures, and many others, show that membership in the nation of Israel was dependent on obedience to God’s commandments. To disobey God was to lose one’s citizenship.

When most people think of O.T. Israel, they think exclusively in terms of Israel as a nation. Yet, this is not the true Biblical meaning of “Israel.” The Old Testament scholar A. R. Hulst has shown that the name “Israel” has always had a twofold significance: one national, and the other religious.1 For example: “...you [Israel] will be for Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.” (Ex. 19:6). The prophecy of Amos (9:11-12) proclaims that the remnant of Israel would be “largely an entity of religious instead of national destination.”2

Isaiah says much the same thing: “[God’s] house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations. The sovereign Lord declares — He who gathers the exiles of Israel: I will gather still others to them besides those already gathered.” (Isa. 56:7-8).

The noted scholar Hans K. LaRondelle has demonstrated conclusively that the primary meaning of “Israel” in the O.T. “stands for the religious covenant community, the people who worship Yahweh in truth and Spirit. Secondarily, it denotes a distinct ethnic group or nation which is called to become spiritual Israel. Decisive for the Old Testament prophets and their prophecies is the theological quality of the ‘people of God,’ not their ethnic and political characteristics.”3

Contrary to the claims of Hal Lindsey, and other dispensational authors (Charles Ryrie, etc.4), the blessing of Israel’s election was not unconditional. “The purpose of the election is service, and when the service is withheld the election loses its meaning, and therefore fails....If she [Israel] ceased to acknowledge Yahweh to be her God, then she declared that she no longer wished to be His people. ....Her high calling to be the Chosen People was not the mark of Divine indulgence or favoritism, but a summons to a task exacting and unceasing, and election and task were so closely bound together that she could not have one without the other.”5

Did O.T. Israel lose her election? As Paul would say, “God forbid!” The Old Testament prophesied in many places that a “remnant” would be saved. The question is: Of whom was this remnant to consist? According to Jer. 31:31-34, the remnant would be made up of those who “know the Lord,” and whose sins would be forgiven completely (unlike under the Old Covenant - Heb. 10:1-4). This was to be made possible through the initiation of a “new covenant.” This New Covenant (or “Testament” -KJV) was ratified by Jesus at His crucifixion, shown to His disciples in symbolic form in the Last Supper (Mt. 26:28 and parallels; 1 Cor. 11:25).

Is New Testament Israel any different from Old Testament Israel? If so, how?

The Israel of the New Covenant is made up of:

1.

those descendants of Jacob who believed in the Messiah (Mt. 10:6; 15:24; Acts 2:36-41; 21:20, etc.), and, 2.

those who joined Israel through spiritual circumcision and the keeping of the new “law” (Rom. 2:28-29; 13:10; 1 Tim. 1:5).

With the establishment of the New Covenant, physical descent was no longer a determining factor for entrance into Israel. Only those who believed in the Messiah could enter or remain a part of Israel. Let us examine what the Bible has to say on the subject: “The Lord called you [Israel] a thriving olive tree with fruit beautiful in form. But with the roar of a mighty storm He will set it on fire, and its branches will be broken.” (Jer. 11:16). Verse 17 says this was directed to “the house of Israel, and the house of Judah.” Hosea says of Israel: “His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree....” (Hos. 14:6).

Paul picks up the olive tree motif in Rom. 11:17-24. He says those Jews who rejected the Messiah were themselves rejected and “broken off” (or cut off, to use the O.T. term) from the “olive tree” of Israel (v. 20). The apostle showed that the only possible way to remain a citizen of Israel was to believe in Jesus as Messiah. This citizenship was also offered to the Gentiles on the same condition. If they would put their faith in the Messiah of Israel, they would be made fellow citizens of Israel (cf. Eph. 2:19). “Christ created His Church, not beside Israel, but as the faithful remnant of Israel that inherits the covenant promises and responsibilities. Christ’s Church is not separated from the Israel of God, only from the Christ-rejecting Jewish nation.”6

The identification of the Church with Israel is explicit in Peter’s first epistle: “But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God....” (1 Pet. 2:9). Here, Peter definitively states that those who “believe” in Christ Jesus (1 Pet. 2:7) were the “chosen race” and the “holy nation” (1 Pet. 2:9; compare Ex. 19:6; Deut. 7:6; and 14:2). “Only in Christ could Israel as a nation have remained the true covenant people of God.”7 God’s covenant people are no longer distinguished by racial or territorial characteristics, but exclusively by their faith in Christ.8 And the land we have inherited is a spiritual one. The spiritual blessings of citizenship in the Israel of God are ours as Christians, but what of the “unconditional” land promises of the so-called “Palestinian Covenant”?

One of the most common assertions of the premillennial dispensationalist today is that the formation of the State of Israel in 1948 is proof that the Jews are still “God’s Chosen People,” and that He still has prophetic plans for them. (This has been asserted more vigorously than ever due to the recent hostilities in the Middle East). It is claimed that God was at work bringing the Jews back to their “ancient homeland,” and that they have a Biblical right to claim Palestine as their own.9 Are these claims correct? Was the formation of the State of Israel evidence of God’s blessing? Of God’s election?

Just what Scriptures do dispensationalists use to support these claims? How do they come to their conclusions? As you may know already, the dispensationalist uses what he calls a “literal hermeneutic.” That is, he claims to interpret the words of the Bible at face value, understanding them in their “normal,” everyday usage and meaning.10 This extremely literal hermeneutic is then used to “interpret” the prophecies of the Old Testament that speak of the return of God’s people to the Holy Land. However, this literalism is also used as an excuse to ignore the plain reinterpretation by the New Testament writers of these very same prophecies. Even when the inspired writers of the N.T. give a meaning to the O.T. prophecies other than a “literal” one, the dispensationalist will say that this is not the complete meaning, and that these prophecies “remain to be realized for Israel.”11

One of the Scriptures the dispensationalist claims was fulfilled by the 1948 formation of the State of Israel is found in Ezek. 36-37. This prophecy was given to Ezekiel during the Babylonian captivity (Ezek. 1:1-2), and foretold the eventual return of Israel to their land. Tied in with this prophecy was the prediction of the coming Messiah (Ezek. 38:24), and the inauguration of the New Covenant (Ezek. 38:26-28). As we know from both secular history and the New Testament, the people did return to the land and the Messiah did come and establish the New Covenant (Mt. 26:28). Despite this, dispensationalists deny fulfillment of either of these prophecies, saying they found only a “partial fulfillment” in Israel’s return and Christ’s first advent.12 They further allege that the regathering of Jews to form the current State of Israel is part of the final fulfillment. They say the blessings of the “Palestinian Covenant” are only now coming into existence. The promises of such passages as Deut. 30 are touted as “Scriptural basis” for Israel’s regathering.13 How should we answer such claims?

According to Deut. 30:1-8, a necessary condition for the regathering of Israel to Palestine was returning to the Lord: “And [when you] shall return to the Lord your God, and shall obey His voice...with all your heart, and all your soul, then the Lord your God will bring you back from captivity....” (vs.2-3).

Based on this clear passage of Scripture, it can be definitely concluded that the State of Israel which now exists was not formed as a result of the blessings of this covenant (the “Palestinian Covenant” of the Scofield Bible).

The Jews of 1948 (except for maybe a few isolated individuals) did not turn to the Lord. And, to base the formation of Israel upon their alleged “faithfulness” to Judaism is to betray a fundamental misunderstanding of what Judaism is. Some think the Jew of today has a special advantage, perhaps even salvation without Christ, because they believe in the God of the Old Testament, and follow the Old Testament religion. This overlooks the fact that the religion of the Old Testament was based on making sacrifices for sins (Lev. 17:11). It also ignores the statements of the New Testament that there is absolutely NO salvation outside Christ (John 14:6; Acts 4:10-12), and that the Old Testament religion was no longer efficacious (Heb. 7-10). The Lord of the New Testament is Jesus. This revelation casts light on who the Lord of the Old Testament is. For example, Peter quotes Joel 2:32 as being fulfilled in Jesus: “Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved” (Acts 2:21).

What shall we answer when the dispensationalist claims the existence of the State of Israel today is “proof” of God’s covenant blessing upon them? With the clear backing of Scripture, we can say, “NO!” We can then point to Deut. 30:1-8 as proof that the Israel of today is definitely not the Israel of the Bible! But, what about the land promised to Abraham?

Paul, in citing the promise to Abraham, does not limit the territory to Palestine: “It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.” (Rom. 4:13). This is an extension of the statement of Jesus in Mt. 5:5, in which the meek shall inherit not merely Palestine, but “the earth.” As you can see, the inheritance is for “Abraham and his offspring.” The dispensationalist believes Jewish people are entitled to the inheritance based on their racial extraction or ethnic heritage. But, Paul counters this idea in Gal. 3:7,29: “Know for sure that only those who are of faith are the sons of Abraham. If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” In case he hasn’t made it clear enough, Paul reiterates for those who expect some special privilege for physical descendants of Abraham: “Now to Abraham’s and his seed the promises were made. He does not say, ‘And to seeds,’ as of many, but as of one, ‘And to your seed,’ who is Christ” (Gal. 3:16). The only way to inherit anything is in Christ! The Jewish leaders who came to John the Baptist thought the Kingdom was theirs automatically by virtue of their heritage: “Do not think to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones!” (Mt. 3:9).

Apostle Paul states the nature of true Jewishness: “For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter...” (Rom. 2:28,29; cf. Rom. 9:6-8; 11:5-7).

“The full scope of Israel’s prophets was not nationalistic, but universal, with an increasing cosmic dimension which took in heaven and earth (Isa. 65:17; 24:21-23).”14 The writer of Hebrews assures them Abraham was not looking merely to Palestine for fulfillment of the promises. He looked for “a better country,” and a city “whose builder and maker is God” (Heb. 11:10,16). “The continuity of the O.T. terms and Middle East images in Hebrews assures the Church that God’s promise has neither failed nor been postponed, but is experienced now in Christ (Heb. 6:5)....”15 And, the land promises made to Abraham are fulfilled in the universal Kingdom of God.

In conclusion, we have studied the subject of who God’s Chosen People are, and have found that, according to the Bible, Israel is now composed of all those who believe in Jesus as Messiah. It is not correct, therefore, to state that the Church has replaced Israel. Rather, the Church is the continuity of the Old Testament Israel of God; it has only replaced the Jewish nation “16 There is no more “Jew” and “Gentile” racial distinctions. All nations are now a part of Spiritual Israel in Christ. Christ’s kingdom is here now in fullness. All (who were a part of the true spiritual) Israel were saved and given the inheritance (Rom. 11:26).

With the advent of the war in the Middle East, many people are wondering what is taking place in a prophetic sense. As preterists, we can say with assurance that the events now taking place are NOT a fulfillment of prophecy. We know that all prophecy was fulfilled in A.D. 70, at which time the New Covenant was fully established, making the Kingdom available to all who would believe in Jesus as Savior (Messiah). Some emotionalism is understandable in time of war. However, we need not fear the Great Tribulation or being “left behind” in the Rapture. We know by the time limitations recorded in the New Testament that these things have already occurred, and we are living in the new spiritual promised land.

robnoel  posted on  2007-11-10   13:42:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: robnoel (#12)

The identification of the Church with Israel is explicit in Peter’s first epistle: “But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God....” (1 Pet. 2:9). Here, Peter definitively states that those who “believe” in Christ Jesus (1 Pet. 2:7) were the “chosen race” and the “holy nation” (1 Pet. 2:9; compare Ex. 19:6; Deut. 7:6; and 14:2). “Only in Christ could Israel as a nation have remained the true covenant people of God.”7 God’s covenant people are no longer distinguished by racial or territorial characteristics, but exclusively by their faith in Christ.8 And the land we have inherited is a spiritual one. The spiritual blessings of citizenship in the Israel of God are ours as Christians, but what of the “unconditional” land promises of the so-called “Palestinian Covenant”?

A little dilemma: l Peter 2:9 has three phrases each beginning with "a", i.e., 'a holy nation'. And yet, the author tells us that Peter definitvely states 'the' chosen race, or 'the' holy nation.

Words have meaning.....and 'a' and 'the' do not mean the same thing at all.

Now I have to start reading again--in a new light. :(

rowdee  posted on  2007-11-10   14:51:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: rowdee (#13)

I have asked many smarter than me to explain "chosen people" and although they get there on different paths it comes down to those who accept Jesus as the messiah....never got into the "a" or "the" thing.

robnoel  posted on  2007-11-10   15:08:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: robnoel (#14)

I've heard discussions, and read, read, read......and being chosen certainly doesn't seem to be a case of 'Mom loves me best', as seems to be the current jewish thought...at least not in my reading/hearing.

As it regards the use of 'a' or 'the'.......a ball is just any ball; the ball is a specific ball. A nation would be just any nation; the nation is a specific nation.

I believe it is Greek, as the New Testament language that does not use the definite article "the'.

But that is just one of many language problems to contend with as we read and learn. The 'interchangeable' use of Israel, Judah, Hebrew, and Jew drives me crazy...because they are not one in the same.

rowdee  posted on  2007-11-10   15:42:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: FormerLurker (#11)

I've been tearing my hair out since last night trying to respond to you, and it keeps coming out wrong. Let me get back to this. I think I'll start by posting another thread, but it will take a while to get it together.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-11-11   10:23:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: robnoel (#12)

Thank you! I have that one, and it's one of my favorites, but I don't agree 100% with it. I tried to respond to that as well, and likewise, it kept coming out wrong.

When reading it again last night, I discovered an error:

One of the Scriptures the dispensationalist claims was fulfilled by the 1948 formation of the State of Israel is found in Ezek. 36-37. This prophecy was given to Ezekiel during the Babylonian captivity (Ezek. 1:1-2), and foretold the eventual return of Israel to their land. Tied in with this prophecy was the prediction of the coming Messiah (Ezek. 38:24), and the inauguration of the New Covenant (Ezek. 38:26-28).

There IS no Ezekiel 38:24-28, at least not in my Bible:

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze038.html#23

I think they must have meant

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat026.html#28 for the latter.

www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/26/28.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-11-11   10:37:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: robnoel, FormerLurker (#14)

I have asked many smarter than me to explain "chosen people" and although they get there on different paths it comes down to those who accept Jesus as the messiah.

...and that's it in a nutshell. Maybe it would help folks to understand what they were chosen FOR:

1Pe 2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

1Pe 2:10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Pe/1Pe002.html#9

www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Pe/2/9.html

FormerLurker, note they come from all races:

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev005.html#10

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-11-11   11:04:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: rowdee (#15)

As it regards the use of 'a' or 'the'.......a ball is just any ball; the ball is a specific ball. A nation would be just any nation; the nation is a specific nation.

even a comma can make a big difference....see the different versions for Isaiah 9:6....some leave out a comma after "Wonderful", making it an adjective, rather than a proper noun:

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa009.html#6 [hit "V" for versions]

see:

Jdg 13:21 But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he [was] an angel of the LORD.

Jdg 13:22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jdg/Jdg013.html#22

Jdg 13:18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it [is] secret?

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jdg/Jdg013.html#18

The "angel" was the pre-incarnate Jesus: www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn001.html#18 / www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/1/18.html [scroll down to Exodus 33:20]

....and His name should not have been translated "secret" but "Wonderful":

secret "or, wonderful. It was because his name was secret that Manoah wished to know it. But the angel does not say it was secret, but hoo pailee, ""it is wonderful;"" the very character given to the Messiah: ""His name shall be called pailai, Wonderful,"" Isa 9:6."

www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jdg/13/18.html

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa009.html#6

I believe there is a bit of a conspiracy here. Note who these people were:

Jdg 13:2 ¶ And there was a certain man of Zorah, of the family of the Danites, whose name [was] Manoah; and his wife [was] barren, and bare not.

[a whole other story]

now I have other things to do until I can put together the other thread I mentioned. I've got a lot of things going on here now.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-11-11   11:32:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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