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Title: Buchanan: Is A Vote For Rudy A Vote For War?
Source: Worldnetdaily
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Published: Nov 9, 2007
Author: Pat Buchanan
Post Date: 2007-11-09 11:13:29 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 334
Comments: 14

Rudy Giuliani has made a "promise" not to allow Iran to acquire a nuclear capability, even if it requires U.S. military action. Though the U.S. Army is scrimping to meet recruitment goals, Rudy has pledged to add at least 10 new combat brigades.

Speaking to an Atlantic Bridge conference in London, Rudy called for NATO expansion to include Japan, India, Australia, Singapore and Israel. Has Rudy thought this through?

Why would Japan and Australia, each of which already has a U.S. commitment to come to its defense, commit to go to war with a nuclear-armed Russia if it invaded Estonia? For joining NATO would require them to treat an attack on Estonia, or any other NATO nation in Europe, as an attack upon themselves.

Why should the United States commit to war for India, which has territorial conflicts and has fought wars with China and Pakistan? What vital interest is it of ours who holds Kashmir? As for Israel, are American boys now to fight Hezbollah and Hamas?

While FDR talked to Stalin, Ike and JFK to Khrushchev, and Nixon to Mao, Rudy would not talk to any "enemies bent on our destruction or those who cannot deliver on their agreements." Would he be even-handed in the Israeli-Palestinian dispute? Answers Rudy, "America shouldn't be even-handed in dealing with ... an elected democracy ... and a group of terrorists."

If Rudy rivals McCain as the hawk's hawk in the Republican race, the foreign policy advisers he has signed up make the Vulcans of Bush look like Howard Zinn and Ramsey Clark. Arnaud de Borchgrave titled his column about them "Dogs of War."

Team leader is Charles Hill, a co-signer of the Sept. 20, 2001, neocon ultimatum to Bush, nine days after 9/11, warning the president if he did not attack Iraq, his failure to do so "will constitute an early and perhaps decisive surrender to the war on international terrorism."

Yet Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

A second member of Rudy's team is Martin Kramer, an Israeli-American who, according to Ken Silverstein of Harper's, "spent 25 years at Tel Aviv University and whose Middle East policy can best be summarized as, 'What's best for Israel?'" Silverstein calls Rudy's eight-man advisory group "AIPAC's Dream Team" – AIPAC being the Israeli lobby, two of whose leaders go on trial in January for espionage against the United States.

According to the New York Times, another key Rudy adviser is Daniel Pipes, "who has called for profiling Muslims at airports and scrutinizing American Muslims in law enforcement, the military and the diplomatic corps." Another is AEI's Michael Rubin, "who has written in favor of revoking the United States' ban on assassinations."

Best known of Rudy's advisers is Norman Podhoretz, who wrote in June, "The Case for Bombing Iran" in Commentary, thinks we are in "World War IV" and writes that "as an American and as a Jew, I pray with all my heart" Bush will bomb Iran. Podhoretz sees us at Munich in 1938 and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as Hitler.

"Like Hitler," writes Podhoretz, Ahmadinejad "is a revolutionary whose objective is to overturn the going international order and to replace it in the fullness of time with a new order dominated by Iran and ruled by the religio-political culture of Islamo-fascism."

Time to return to Planet Earth. Ahmadinejad is not only jeered at Columbia but at colleges in Tehran. He is openly attacked by rivals. He does not control the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. He does not decide on war or peace. He runs a regime with 2 percent of U.S. gross domestic product, no nukes and no navy or air force to rival ours. He is a Shia in a Sunni world. How is this 5 foot, 4 inch Persian going to strong-arm the United States, Russia and China, not to mention an Israel with 300 nukes, into his "new order"?

After the axis-of-evil speech threatening war on Iraq, Iran and North Korea, Podhoretz wrote that Bush had not gone far enough.

The "regimes that richly deserve to be overthrown ... should extend to Syria and Lebanon and Libya, as well as 'friends' of America like the Saudi royal family and Egypt's Hosni Mubarak, along with the Palestinian Authority." After toppling them all, wrote Podhoretz, as he mocked the "timorous ... incorrigibly cautious Colin Powell," let's find "the stomach to impose a new political culture on the defeated."

Bush found the stomach. Near 4,000 Americans are dead, 27,000 wounded, Walter Reed is full, and Norman is looking for new wars. On a recent National Review cruise, he ranted that Iraq was an "amazing success," "a triumph. It couldn't have gone better." As for Saddam's WMDs, they were secretly "shipped to Syria."

After meeting with his candidate, Podhoretz emerged happy to assure us, "There is very little difference in how he (Rudy) sees the war and I see it." If true, a vote for Rudy is a vote for endless war.

And, as James Madison said, wars are the death of republics.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

Speaking to an Atlantic Bridge conference in London, Rudy called for NATO expansion to include Japan, India, Australia, Singapore and Israel. Has Rudy thought this through?

Has Rudy thought this through?

One need only check the "advisers" surrounding Giuliani to see what he would do as President.

Japan, India, Australia, Singapore have China to worry about much less the West.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-11-09   11:17:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Brian S (#0)

Best known of Rudy's advisers is Norman Podhoretz, who wrote in June, "The Case for Bombing Iran" in Commentary, thinks we are in "World War IV" and writes that "as an American and as a Jew, I pray with all my heart" Bush will bomb Iran

A second member of Rudy's team is Martin Kramer, an Israeli-American who, according to Ken Silverstein of Harper's, "spent 25 years at Tel Aviv University and whose Middle East policy can best be summarized as, 'What's best for Israel?'"

According to the New York Times, another key Rudy adviser is Daniel Pipes, "who has called for profiling Muslims at airports and scrutinizing American Muslims in law enforcement, the military and the diplomatic corps."

Team leader is Charles Hill, a co-signer of the Sept. 20, 2001, neocon ultimatum to Bush, nine days after 9/11, warning the president if he did not attack Iraq, his failure to do so "will constitute an early and perhaps decisive surrender to the war on international terrorism."

Pat hits a home-run exposing the AmericaLast warpigs behind the curtain.

"a vote for Rudy is a vote for endless war"

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-09   11:22:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Brian S (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-11-09   11:28:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: ghostdogtxn (#3)

Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and Barak Obama have all made that same promise.

So what is Buchanan nattering on about?

Buchanan hasn't gotten around to the Dem warpig schmucks yet. I think he's concentrating on RudyJulie because of Pat Roberston's latest pro-Rudy positioning. Ergo Pat views Rudy as the annointed GOP warpig so he feels he needs to knock him now first. Somewhere I thought I read that Buchanan supported Ron Paul. Maybe I'm confusing Pat with some other GOP conservative RP supporter. Hmmmm.....

But thank you all the same for reminding us about the Dem AmericaLast candidates since Pat Buchanan didn't.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-09   11:39:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Brian S (#0)

a. Though the U.S. Army is scrimping to meet recruitment goals, Rudy has pledged to add at least 10 new combat brigades.

b. Speaking to an Atlantic Bridge conference in London, Rudy called for NATO expansion to include Japan, India, Australia, Singapore and Israel. Has Rudy thought this through?

a. Well Rudy has a cannon fodder aged son and daughter. I hope RudyJulie was thinking of them as being the first 2 "patriots" to make haste and join up so they could protect Israel, too.

b. I'm not sure if Rudy has thought this through - he only parrots the lines given to him by his neozio I-team advisors Normie, Ricky, Kenny, Danny, Marty, and Chuckie. What the I-team wanted to do is have a list of a few unlikely candidates for the "North Atlantic" Treaty Organization so as to include Israel under the radar in the mix. You see, Pat, Israel refuses to sign a mutual defense treaty with any nation including its war slave, America, so the I-team needed to have Izzy defended somehow - bingo! NATO member.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-09   11:50:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Brian S (#0)

I made it to the 3rd paragraph. I can't take anymore articles about Jews, war and internationalist politicians. Other than that I'm sure Pat makes some valid points.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-11-09   11:56:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Brian S (#0)

"Like Hitler," writes Podhoretz, Ahmadinejad "is a revolutionary whose objective is to overturn the going international order and to replace it in the fullness of time with a new order dominated by Iran and ruled by the religio-political culture of Islamo-fascism."

insanity

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Lod  posted on  2007-11-09   12:01:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: ghostdogtxn (#3) (Edited)

Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and Barak Obama have all made that same promise.

So what is Buchanan nattering on about?

That's true, but I still think that Giuliani is the worst of the worst when it comes to following the neocon foreign policy line (with Hillary a close second). Julie's closest foreign policy advisor is Norman Podhoretz, a psychotic old man who (by his own admission) "prays" for war with Iran, FCOL.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-11-09   13:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Brian S (#0)

Best known of Rudy's advisers is Norman Podhoretz, who wrote in June, "The Case for Bombing Iran" in Commentary, thinks we are in "World War IV" and writes that "as an American and as a Jew, I pray with all my heart" Bush will bomb Iran. Podhoretz sees us at Munich in 1938 and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as Hitler.

"Like Hitler," writes Podhoretz, Ahmadinejad "is a revolutionary whose objective is to overturn the going international order and to replace it in the fullness of time with a new order dominated by Iran and ruled by the religio-political culture of Islamo-fascism."

Most neoconservatives are liars who don't believe in their own propaganda. Norman Podhoretz is different - he actually believes in this "Islamofascists taking over the world" crap. The man is certifiable and should be in a nuthouse, instead he's senior advisor to a likely future President. What a world we live in.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-11-09   13:09:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Brian S (#0)

By backing Jewels transvestite Julieani, Buchanan has SOLD OUT, as he did long ago. He is a FRAUD. FUCK YOU PAT?>

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IndieTX  posted on  2007-11-09   16:16:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: IndieTX (#10)

By backing Jewels transvestite Julieani, Buchanan has SOLD OUT, as he did long ago. He is a FRAUD. FUCK YOU PAT?>

But Pat Buchanan is not backing Giuliani. Pat Buchanan has written a hit piece on Giuliani.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-09   16:25:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: scrapper2 (#5)

A vote for any of the Dem or GOP mainstreamers is a vote for endless war.

The only difference between a Rudy adminstration and a Hillary administration would be one of rhetorical tone. Hillary would be more likely to kill foreigners by the bushel load while "celebrating their culture" and Rudy would do so while calling them mud people.

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Burkeman1  posted on  2007-11-09   19:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: scrapper2 (#11)

According to Hannity, Pat has endorsed Jules.

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IndieTX  posted on  2007-11-10   1:39:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Brian S (#0)

Paleocons, despite my problems with them, have their good points. I'm sick of Pat and his "Hillary is going to win no matter what" crap, but at least he has a clear belief system and is pretty honest.

And I doubt highly that he endorsed Rudee. Hannity talks a lot of shit.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2007-11-10   1:45:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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