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Title: There Are Too Many Veterans
Source: Lew Rockwell
URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance126.html
Published: Nov 12, 2007
Author: Laurence Vance
Post Date: 2007-11-12 06:41:23 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 2493
Comments: 251

We have too many veterans. We have too many living veterans. We have too many dead veterans. We have too many wounded veterans. We have too many disabled veterans. We have too many veterans who have fought in wars. We have too many veterans who have never fired a shot. Any way you look at it, we have too many veterans.

Veterans Day began as Armistice Day – a day to commemorate the signing of the armistice on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month that ended fighting on the Western Front in World War I, "the war to end all wars." A few years after World War II, the holiday was changed to Veterans Day as a tribute to all soldiers who fought for their country. Veterans Day has now become a day to honor, not just those who have served in the military during wartime, but those who have served during peacetime or are serving now. It has also become a day – even though we have Armed Forces Day – to recognize all things military.

Why?

Why do most Americans hold veterans and current members of the U.S. military in such high esteem? Why is there such a military mindset in the United States?

One reason people feel this way is because they falsely believe that those who serve in the military are somehow defending our freedoms. They are convinced that it is the military that stands between a free society and subjugation by some foreign power. They think that it is because of the military that we still have our First Amendment rights. It is inevitable that whenever I write about the military I receive an e-mail or two from a current or former member of the military who closes his rebuke (which usually argues that I have the freedom to write the "trash" that I write because of the U.S. military) with this simplistic cliché: "If you can read this e-mail, thank a teacher. If you can read it in English, thank a Marine." Has anyone ever thought this through? Are we are supposed to believe that the German army that couldn’t cross the English Channel to invade Great Britain and make its population speak German was going to cross the Atlantic Ocean to invade the United States and make us all speak German if it wasn’t for the Marines? Or was it Japanese that the Marines kept us from speaking? Or perhaps it was Spanish because of the tremendous threat we faced from Spain during the Spanish-American War? Were we in danger of having to speak Russian during the Cold War? Looking at the history of U.S. military interventions, there is one thing we can thank the Marines for: We can thank the Marines for helping to carry out an evil, interventionist U.S. foreign policy. Thanks a lot, jarheads. Semper Fi and all that jazz. Our freedoms, our liberties, and our Constitution that all Marines swear to uphold are under attack by our government. The state is a greater enemy than any foreign country or ruler. If the Marines are to really defend our freedoms, then they should be deployed to Washington D.C. After they oversee the closure of most federal agencies and expel the bureaucrats from the city, they can protect the Constitution (with fixed bayonets) from its daily assault by the members of Congress. In that case I would even say with you: "The few, the proud, the Marines."

Another reason the military is held in such high esteem is that most Americans wrongfully assume that the military is actually engaged in defending the country. They don’t know about the hundreds of U.S. military bases on foreign soil. They don’t realize that there are thousands of U.S. troops stationed abroad to defend other countries. They have no idea that the United States has troops in 150 different regions of the world. Instead, they think that it is because of the military fighting terrorists "over there" that we don’t have to fight them "over here." The threat of a conquest of America by foreign invasion is nonexistent. And if we were attacked with nuclear weapons, even the Marines would be helpless to defend us. Although the purpose of the U.S. military should only be to defend the United States from genuine attacks and credible enemies, it has primarily been used to intervene in the affairs of other countries. When all of the troops come home and start guarding our borders and patrolling our coasts then, and only then, can we say that the military is defending the country. Even the Coast Guard, which actually patrols our coasts, is tainted – thanks to another unconstitutional, unwinnable war that the government is engaged in that is more destructive than the "enemy" we are fighting: the war on drugs.

Still another reason for the military mindset is that members of the military are viewed as "public servants." Members of Congress like to brag about how they have been in public service their whole life. Some policemen and firemen have jumped on the "public service" bandwagon as well. But if you want to be a policeman or a fireman, fine, just don’t expect us get excited about the fact that you have a job. And plenty of jobs are just as dangerous. Veterans are looked upon as special because they "served" in the military. It didn’t take any special education, experience, or accomplishments to land a job in the military – they just signed on the dotted line. We don’t bestow any special honors on bricklayers, mechanics, and accountants; yet, we see plenty of bumper stickers that say things like: "My son is in the Air Force." We never see "My son is a plumber" or "My son is a garbage collector" or "My son is a waiter"? And why not? The people in those occupations don’t drop bombs on anyone. They "serve" some important needs of society. Shouldn’t we honor them as least as much as soldiers?

It is unfortunate that some of the most vocal defenders of today’s military are Christians. It is even worse that churches fawn over current and former members of the military on Veterans Day. In response to my recent article "Should Anyone Join the Military," I was chastised by two detractors.

The first asked if I could read the Old Testament and still say that no one should serve in the military. I was also told that God instructed the Jews and others to destroy people. It is not hard for me to read the Old Testament and still say that no one should serve in the military. America is not Israel, and the U.S. military is not God’s army. And telling me that God instructed the Jews and others to destroy people is like telling George Bush that he is the decider. There is no denying that God instructed the Jews and others to destroy people. But George Bush is not God, America is not the nation of Israel, and God didn’t command the U.S. military to kill anyone.

My other detractor appealed to Alphonsus Liguori and maintained that as the sword maker has no control over the product, so "the soldier does not commit an actual sin unless he chooses to break a moral law while in the military." It is "the leaders or military officers who sin when they issue immoral orders." Military service is "morally neutral." But what kind of morality is this? It certainly isn’t Christian. What kind of morality says that it would be okay to kill someone in an unjust war in his own country who was no threat to you or your country because you are wearing a military uniform? Oh, I forgot: Just don’t break a moral law while you are killing him.

It is high time that Americans stop elevating members of the military to a position of honor. It is long past the time when veterans have done anything honorable. We should abolish Veterans Day. And because of our shameful foreign policy and militarism during the twentieth century, we should abolish any Armistice Day celebration as well.

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#2. To: Ada (#0)

It is high time that Americans stop elevating members of the military to a position of honor. It is long past the time when veterans have done anything honorable. We should abolish Veterans Day. And because of our shameful foreign policy and militarism during the twentieth century, we should abolish any Armistice Day celebration as well.

I'll second that. Nothing is more revolting than the legions of American "Veterans"- most of whom never heard a shot fired in anger- and did little more than jack off for 2 to 4 years on the American tax payer dime - demand that we kiss their ass and "thank them." For what? Eating, drinking? Going to titty bars? Taking drugs? Supporting child prostitute pimps in the Phillipines and a dozen other places aroudn the world? Not a living "veteran" has ever defended this country from a real threat. Not one.

The veteran scam is a drain on this country. They are even more parasitical than the welfare recipients I am sure many of them bitch about. Oh- you sat on your fat ass on Diego Garcia drinking Mai Tai's for two years while you spent 4 hours a day moving shit around and another 4 hours hiding from your CO to avoid another duty? And I am suppossed to pay for you to go to college and pay for your health care the rest of your life? I have support your below market home owner's mortgage rates?

Get lost. My dad is a "Veteran". You know what he did for the 4 years he spent in the great noble US Army? Sat on his ass smoking cigarettes, playing cards and burying excess gasoline and paint and other supplies so it would look like they were doing what they were suppossed to be doing. Not that anyone would have cared one way or the other.

Standing militaries for most countries are a necessary evil. There is NO REASON for this country to have one- at all. There is no peer enemy that could hurt the US in this HEMISPHERE! There is no reason the US should be spending 100 billion on its military much less 1 trillion! Give me a break. SO sick of this shit.

And if I see another banner on an overpass "thanking" some dipshit for his "service" in Iraq I am going to puke. Thanks for what/ Killing some innocnent raghead who just doesn't want you there? For being an idiot and thinking that war has anything to do with "defending" America?

Ughhh.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-11-12   8:02:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Burkeman1 (#2)

Not a living "veteran" has ever defended this country from a real threat. Not one.

You are wrong. There are many that have defended this country from real threats, regardless of what you think.

The very fact that we have (or had) a strong military is what kept other nations from bullying this country around.

There is something to be said about "Peace through Strength". Just as a school yard bully targets the weaker kids, and leaves the "tough" kids alone, this country has been able to discourage those nations that would have liked to bully us around.

It is those that you disparage as "jack offs" that gave this Nation her strength, and kept the bullies at bay.

In this day and age where China is building up her military by leaps and bounds, has a blue water navy and subs capable of sinking US carrier fleets, has anti-satellite technology that can disable our ICBM's, and ICBM's of their own with sophisticated guidance systems, we should really be concerned about our military strength, and support those that ARE there as a deterent against outright Chinese aggression.

Then again, China could win a war against us without even firing a shot simply by dumping the US dollar and bankrupting this country. We can thank the treasonous dealings of the corporate elite and their puppets in Washington for that.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-12   14:13:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: FormerLurker (#30)

You are wrong. There are many that have defended this country from real threats, regardless of what you think.

OK, in which war?

WW1 - No threat to America.

WW2 - Again, no threat to America. (The bombing of Pearl Harbor was provoked by the blockade, and of course was set up to get us in that war by Roosevelt.

Korea - Still no threat to America.

Vietnam - No threat.

Grenada- No threat.

Panama - No threat. (Jimmy Carter even gave the Panama Canal away, which is now creating a real threat with China taking it over)

Afghanistan - No threat.

Iraq - No threat.

Iran - Of course, no threat.

Bosnia/Serbia - No threat.

The real threats have only been dealt with by non-military members: the border patrol, the coast guard, and occasionally local police departments and the FBI.

RickyJ  posted on  2007-11-12   14:26:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: RickyJ (#33)

OK, in which war?

It's the wars that DIDN'T happen that I was referring to. In other words, I was speaking of the DETERRENCE against wars, rather than actual recent conflicts.

And I would disagree with your assessment of WWII, where Hitler DID want to spread the Third Reich across the entire globe. He may very well have pulled it off if we didn't join the war when we did.

If he had been able to take over all of Europe, Africa, and Russia, and if Japan had been able to take over China and the rest of Asia, building up reinforcements on both fronts, the Axis powers could have launched invasions of South America. From there, they could have pushed northwards up through Mexico, and carried out an invasion of the US from both coasts and from the south.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-12   14:34:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: FormerLurker (#36)

Do you make your own cool-aid or do the send it FedX?

robnoel  posted on  2007-11-12   14:37:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: robnoel (#39)

Do you make your own cool-aid or do the send it FedX?

Are you trying to say that Hitler would have left us alone if we had just stayed out of WWII? I'm not the one drinking "cool-aid" pal.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-12   14:39:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: FormerLurker (#42) (Edited)

Even if we accept that World War II was in some sense defensive (which is debatable), that still doesn't explain why I should feel gratitude to today's vets for their occupation and destruction of hole in the wall third world countries that not only never threatened us but probably didn't even care about our existence.

Once again, why should I "thank" somebody for siding with one Somali warlord over another, bombing Serbia or occupying Iraq? How did any of that nonsense "protect our freedoms?" And why should be people who did this be entitled to some kind of special standing in society?

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-11-12   18:41:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#96)

And why should be people who did this be entitled to some kind of special standing in society?

Perhaps if you or your sons are ever called upon to fight for this country, you'll understand.

One of the "fruits" of these ill-begotten wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is the lack of respect for those that have served in the armed forces throughout this Nation's history.

I see the NWO's plans are working, even on those that think they are impervious to such psychological manipulation.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-13   2:15:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: FormerLurker (#152) (Edited)

One of the "fruits" of these ill-begotten wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is the lack of respect for those that have served in the armed forces throughout this Nation's history.

I see the NWO's plans are working, even on those that think they are impervious to such psychological manipulation.

Sorry, but in case you haven't noticed, the "support our troops" mantra is basically the administration's newspeak for "support our wars." It's a small step from uncritical admiration for soldiers to uncritical love for the welfare- warfare state.

If anyone is buying into NWO propaganda here, it's you. So I repeat my original question: We're supposed to "thank" the troops for "protecting our freedoms." How did bombing, invading, and occupying Somalia, Serbia, or Iraq protect my freedom? How did any of those countries threaten my freedoms?

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-11-13   10:51:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#171)

How did bombing, invading, and occupying Somalia, Serbia, or Iraq protect my freedom? How did any of those countries threaten my freedoms?

If you've followed what I've already stated here, I didn't support any of those actions. I'm stating the fact that we DO have a military that DETERS foreign aggression, and that we should appreciate those who have served as that deterrent.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-13   12:33:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: FormerLurker (#172) (Edited)

If you've followed what I've already stated here, I didn't support any of those actions. I'm stating the fact that we DO have a military that DETERS foreign aggression, and that we should appreciate those who have served as that deterrent.

Lately, our military has been doing nothing but PROVOKING foreign hostility. Who is going to invade us anyway? Iran? Iraq? Serbia? Some Somali or Haitian warlord? We could cut our military spending tenfold, and I can still guarantee you that there won't be any Iranian soldiers occupying Indianapolis or Chicago.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-11-13   17:17:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#174) (Edited)

Lately, our military has been doing nothing but PROVOKING foreign hostility.

Wrong, it is those that run this government that have been doing the provoking. The military simply follow orders. A captain of an aircraft carrier is not going to disobey a lawful order to set sail to a specific location. A pilot will need to obey a lawful order to patrol the sky over a certain area.

Bush and his neocon cabal are the ones rattling their sabers, the military does not decide it on their own. That the people of this country have elected an idiot and a stooge to the highest office in the land is the problem, it is not the fault of the military.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-13   17:36:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: FormerLurker (#175)

Wrong, it is those that run this government that have beed doing the provoking. The military simply follow orders. A captain of an aircraft carrier is not going to disobey a lawful order to set sail to a specific location. A pilot will need to obey a lawful order to patrol the sky over a certain area.

Bush and his neocon cabal are the ones rattling their sabers, the military does not decide it on their own. That the people of this country have elected an idiot and a stooge to the highest office in the land is the problem, it is not the fault of the military.

Some military personnel are just following orders. Many others, particularly back in 2003, supported Bush, his wars, and the neocon agenda 100%. Bush's popularity in the military was among the highest of any group, because a lot of people think that pro war = pro military and pro soldier. It's only in the last year, now that anyone with a brain can see that Iraq is a lost cause, that we get some grumblings about Bush and his wars from the military.

And remember what happens to those in the military who don't toe the party line on Bush's wars. Their comrades see to it that they go the way of Pat Tillman, only nobody notices most of the time because they aren't former football stars.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-11-13   17:46:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#177)

Many others, particularly back in 2003, supported Bush, his wars, and the neocon agenda 100%.

So did most of the country, except for those that could see through the smoke and mirrors even at that point in time.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-13   18:04:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: FormerLurker (#183)

So did most of the country, except for those that could see through the smoke and mirrors even at that point in time.

True, but the most extreme Bush supporters that I've ever met tend to be either a) In law enforcement (with FBI agents being the most pro-Bush) or b) military.

It would be interesting to see a break-down of the numbers of Bush's approval rating among military, law enforcement, and civilian.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-11-13   18:07:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#184)

It would be interesting to see a break-down of the numbers of Bush's approval rating among military, law enforcement, and civilian.

During my time in the military, all of the rank and file hated first Truman and then Eisenhower.

The number of people that care one twit for the government of any administration is really of little significance.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-11-13   18:10:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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