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Title: There Are Too Many Veterans
Source: Lew Rockwell
URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance126.html
Published: Nov 12, 2007
Author: Laurence Vance
Post Date: 2007-11-12 06:41:23 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 2729
Comments: 251

We have too many veterans. We have too many living veterans. We have too many dead veterans. We have too many wounded veterans. We have too many disabled veterans. We have too many veterans who have fought in wars. We have too many veterans who have never fired a shot. Any way you look at it, we have too many veterans.

Veterans Day began as Armistice Day – a day to commemorate the signing of the armistice on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month that ended fighting on the Western Front in World War I, "the war to end all wars." A few years after World War II, the holiday was changed to Veterans Day as a tribute to all soldiers who fought for their country. Veterans Day has now become a day to honor, not just those who have served in the military during wartime, but those who have served during peacetime or are serving now. It has also become a day – even though we have Armed Forces Day – to recognize all things military.

Why?

Why do most Americans hold veterans and current members of the U.S. military in such high esteem? Why is there such a military mindset in the United States?

One reason people feel this way is because they falsely believe that those who serve in the military are somehow defending our freedoms. They are convinced that it is the military that stands between a free society and subjugation by some foreign power. They think that it is because of the military that we still have our First Amendment rights. It is inevitable that whenever I write about the military I receive an e-mail or two from a current or former member of the military who closes his rebuke (which usually argues that I have the freedom to write the "trash" that I write because of the U.S. military) with this simplistic cliché: "If you can read this e-mail, thank a teacher. If you can read it in English, thank a Marine." Has anyone ever thought this through? Are we are supposed to believe that the German army that couldn’t cross the English Channel to invade Great Britain and make its population speak German was going to cross the Atlantic Ocean to invade the United States and make us all speak German if it wasn’t for the Marines? Or was it Japanese that the Marines kept us from speaking? Or perhaps it was Spanish because of the tremendous threat we faced from Spain during the Spanish-American War? Were we in danger of having to speak Russian during the Cold War? Looking at the history of U.S. military interventions, there is one thing we can thank the Marines for: We can thank the Marines for helping to carry out an evil, interventionist U.S. foreign policy. Thanks a lot, jarheads. Semper Fi and all that jazz. Our freedoms, our liberties, and our Constitution that all Marines swear to uphold are under attack by our government. The state is a greater enemy than any foreign country or ruler. If the Marines are to really defend our freedoms, then they should be deployed to Washington D.C. After they oversee the closure of most federal agencies and expel the bureaucrats from the city, they can protect the Constitution (with fixed bayonets) from its daily assault by the members of Congress. In that case I would even say with you: "The few, the proud, the Marines."

Another reason the military is held in such high esteem is that most Americans wrongfully assume that the military is actually engaged in defending the country. They don’t know about the hundreds of U.S. military bases on foreign soil. They don’t realize that there are thousands of U.S. troops stationed abroad to defend other countries. They have no idea that the United States has troops in 150 different regions of the world. Instead, they think that it is because of the military fighting terrorists "over there" that we don’t have to fight them "over here." The threat of a conquest of America by foreign invasion is nonexistent. And if we were attacked with nuclear weapons, even the Marines would be helpless to defend us. Although the purpose of the U.S. military should only be to defend the United States from genuine attacks and credible enemies, it has primarily been used to intervene in the affairs of other countries. When all of the troops come home and start guarding our borders and patrolling our coasts then, and only then, can we say that the military is defending the country. Even the Coast Guard, which actually patrols our coasts, is tainted – thanks to another unconstitutional, unwinnable war that the government is engaged in that is more destructive than the "enemy" we are fighting: the war on drugs.

Still another reason for the military mindset is that members of the military are viewed as "public servants." Members of Congress like to brag about how they have been in public service their whole life. Some policemen and firemen have jumped on the "public service" bandwagon as well. But if you want to be a policeman or a fireman, fine, just don’t expect us get excited about the fact that you have a job. And plenty of jobs are just as dangerous. Veterans are looked upon as special because they "served" in the military. It didn’t take any special education, experience, or accomplishments to land a job in the military – they just signed on the dotted line. We don’t bestow any special honors on bricklayers, mechanics, and accountants; yet, we see plenty of bumper stickers that say things like: "My son is in the Air Force." We never see "My son is a plumber" or "My son is a garbage collector" or "My son is a waiter"? And why not? The people in those occupations don’t drop bombs on anyone. They "serve" some important needs of society. Shouldn’t we honor them as least as much as soldiers?

It is unfortunate that some of the most vocal defenders of today’s military are Christians. It is even worse that churches fawn over current and former members of the military on Veterans Day. In response to my recent article "Should Anyone Join the Military," I was chastised by two detractors.

The first asked if I could read the Old Testament and still say that no one should serve in the military. I was also told that God instructed the Jews and others to destroy people. It is not hard for me to read the Old Testament and still say that no one should serve in the military. America is not Israel, and the U.S. military is not God’s army. And telling me that God instructed the Jews and others to destroy people is like telling George Bush that he is the decider. There is no denying that God instructed the Jews and others to destroy people. But George Bush is not God, America is not the nation of Israel, and God didn’t command the U.S. military to kill anyone.

My other detractor appealed to Alphonsus Liguori and maintained that as the sword maker has no control over the product, so "the soldier does not commit an actual sin unless he chooses to break a moral law while in the military." It is "the leaders or military officers who sin when they issue immoral orders." Military service is "morally neutral." But what kind of morality is this? It certainly isn’t Christian. What kind of morality says that it would be okay to kill someone in an unjust war in his own country who was no threat to you or your country because you are wearing a military uniform? Oh, I forgot: Just don’t break a moral law while you are killing him.

It is high time that Americans stop elevating members of the military to a position of honor. It is long past the time when veterans have done anything honorable. We should abolish Veterans Day. And because of our shameful foreign policy and militarism during the twentieth century, we should abolish any Armistice Day celebration as well.

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#2. To: Ada (#0)

It is high time that Americans stop elevating members of the military to a position of honor. It is long past the time when veterans have done anything honorable. We should abolish Veterans Day. And because of our shameful foreign policy and militarism during the twentieth century, we should abolish any Armistice Day celebration as well.

I'll second that. Nothing is more revolting than the legions of American "Veterans"- most of whom never heard a shot fired in anger- and did little more than jack off for 2 to 4 years on the American tax payer dime - demand that we kiss their ass and "thank them." For what? Eating, drinking? Going to titty bars? Taking drugs? Supporting child prostitute pimps in the Phillipines and a dozen other places aroudn the world? Not a living "veteran" has ever defended this country from a real threat. Not one.

The veteran scam is a drain on this country. They are even more parasitical than the welfare recipients I am sure many of them bitch about. Oh- you sat on your fat ass on Diego Garcia drinking Mai Tai's for two years while you spent 4 hours a day moving shit around and another 4 hours hiding from your CO to avoid another duty? And I am suppossed to pay for you to go to college and pay for your health care the rest of your life? I have support your below market home owner's mortgage rates?

Get lost. My dad is a "Veteran". You know what he did for the 4 years he spent in the great noble US Army? Sat on his ass smoking cigarettes, playing cards and burying excess gasoline and paint and other supplies so it would look like they were doing what they were suppossed to be doing. Not that anyone would have cared one way or the other.

Standing militaries for most countries are a necessary evil. There is NO REASON for this country to have one- at all. There is no peer enemy that could hurt the US in this HEMISPHERE! There is no reason the US should be spending 100 billion on its military much less 1 trillion! Give me a break. SO sick of this shit.

And if I see another banner on an overpass "thanking" some dipshit for his "service" in Iraq I am going to puke. Thanks for what/ Killing some innocnent raghead who just doesn't want you there? For being an idiot and thinking that war has anything to do with "defending" America?

Ughhh.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-11-12   8:02:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Burkeman1 (#2)

Not a living "veteran" has ever defended this country from a real threat. Not one.

You are wrong. There are many that have defended this country from real threats, regardless of what you think.

The very fact that we have (or had) a strong military is what kept other nations from bullying this country around.

There is something to be said about "Peace through Strength". Just as a school yard bully targets the weaker kids, and leaves the "tough" kids alone, this country has been able to discourage those nations that would have liked to bully us around.

It is those that you disparage as "jack offs" that gave this Nation her strength, and kept the bullies at bay.

In this day and age where China is building up her military by leaps and bounds, has a blue water navy and subs capable of sinking US carrier fleets, has anti-satellite technology that can disable our ICBM's, and ICBM's of their own with sophisticated guidance systems, we should really be concerned about our military strength, and support those that ARE there as a deterent against outright Chinese aggression.

Then again, China could win a war against us without even firing a shot simply by dumping the US dollar and bankrupting this country. We can thank the treasonous dealings of the corporate elite and their puppets in Washington for that.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-12   14:13:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: FormerLurker (#30)

You are wrong. There are many that have defended this country from real threats, regardless of what you think.

OK, in which war?

WW1 - No threat to America.

WW2 - Again, no threat to America. (The bombing of Pearl Harbor was provoked by the blockade, and of course was set up to get us in that war by Roosevelt.

Korea - Still no threat to America.

Vietnam - No threat.

Grenada- No threat.

Panama - No threat. (Jimmy Carter even gave the Panama Canal away, which is now creating a real threat with China taking it over)

Afghanistan - No threat.

Iraq - No threat.

Iran - Of course, no threat.

Bosnia/Serbia - No threat.

The real threats have only been dealt with by non-military members: the border patrol, the coast guard, and occasionally local police departments and the FBI.

RickyJ  posted on  2007-11-12   14:26:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: RickyJ (#33)

OK, in which war?

It's the wars that DIDN'T happen that I was referring to. In other words, I was speaking of the DETERRENCE against wars, rather than actual recent conflicts.

And I would disagree with your assessment of WWII, where Hitler DID want to spread the Third Reich across the entire globe. He may very well have pulled it off if we didn't join the war when we did.

If he had been able to take over all of Europe, Africa, and Russia, and if Japan had been able to take over China and the rest of Asia, building up reinforcements on both fronts, the Axis powers could have launched invasions of South America. From there, they could have pushed northwards up through Mexico, and carried out an invasion of the US from both coasts and from the south.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-12   14:34:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: FormerLurker (#36)

Do you make your own cool-aid or do the send it FedX?

robnoel  posted on  2007-11-12   14:37:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: robnoel (#39)

Do you make your own cool-aid or do the send it FedX?

Are you trying to say that Hitler would have left us alone if we had just stayed out of WWII? I'm not the one drinking "cool-aid" pal.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-12   14:39:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: FormerLurker (#42) (Edited)

Even if we accept that World War II was in some sense defensive (which is debatable), that still doesn't explain why I should feel gratitude to today's vets for their occupation and destruction of hole in the wall third world countries that not only never threatened us but probably didn't even care about our existence.

Once again, why should I "thank" somebody for siding with one Somali warlord over another, bombing Serbia or occupying Iraq? How did any of that nonsense "protect our freedoms?" And why should be people who did this be entitled to some kind of special standing in society?

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-11-12   18:41:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#96)

And why should be people who did this be entitled to some kind of special standing in society?

Perhaps if you or your sons are ever called upon to fight for this country, you'll understand.

One of the "fruits" of these ill-begotten wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is the lack of respect for those that have served in the armed forces throughout this Nation's history.

I see the NWO's plans are working, even on those that think they are impervious to such psychological manipulation.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-13   2:15:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: FormerLurker (#152)

One of the "fruits" of these ill-begotten wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is the lack of respect for those that have served in the armed forces throughout this Nation's history.

No shit Sherlock. I suppose that's a bad thing in your eyes. How dare the dirty French have ill feelings towards the rank and file Wehrmacht. They were just following orders.

Actually it's worse, 'cause these dudes are all volunteers while the Wehrmacht was full of conscripts. People should be judged on their individual choices. What the hell else would you judge them on?

I see you're one of those people who thinks there should be different moral rules for those in government than those who aren't.

If it's wrong for you or me to get on a plane to go kill people in Iraq as Joe Schmoe private citizen, then it's wrong for someone in an ugly camo shirt with a flag stitched to the sleeve to get on a plane and do the same thing. Simple as that.

If it's wrong for me to kick in people's doors at 3am 'cause they're smoking a spliff, then it's wrong for a guy with a tin badge and some lights on top of his car. These are real simple concepts here.

By the way, have you ever been to an Army base down? Egads are they nasty. Endless stretches of titty joints, liquor stores, pawn shops, massage parlors, bars, tattoo shops and fast food with a ring of trailer parks on the periphery.

My favorite sight in base towns is the seemingly endless stream of pregnant white trash girls with no wedding rings on wandering around in shorts so you can see their ankle tattoos. So appetizing.

I bet divorce lawyers make a killing in those towns.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-11-13   18:48:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: SmokinOPs (#188)

No shit Sherlock. I suppose that's a bad thing in your eyes. How dare the dirty French have ill feelings towards the rank and file Wehrmacht.

You confuse the enemy of the people of France with their own military. I'm sure the French do not hate their resistance forces that fought the Nazis, nor do the Brits hate their own military that saved them from German invasion in WWII.

That you hate OUR military illustrates where your head's at. You hate our military because you don't like the military, period. You think yourself better than they, and look down upon them as if they were bugs for you to sqaush with your foot.

Of course there are some scumbags that join the service, just as there are scumbags that don't and simply spew bullshit on Internet forums instead.

Don't confuse some of the actions of the battle weary (some have been there over three times) and psychologically damaged troops fighting in Iraq cloud the actions and deeds of our forefathers, who DID fight to defend this country, and served with honor and integrety as best they could.

I could go into a long drawn out discussion of why a military force ordered by its governing body to engage in combat is morally superior to a private citizen engaging in hostilities, but I won't, as it isn't. IF the action is in defense of the interests of the Nation, then it is assumed to be morally justified. If it is in the interests of a private individual, and has nothing to do with defense, then it isn't.

If there's ever a draft SOP, you best hope they don't toss your ass in some god- forsaken hell hole where you'll be dodging bullets and disease infested bugs 24/7 for the duration of your time in service. You might just come home to people such as yourself that will call you a scumbag, a loser, and a piece of shit for serving in the military.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-13   19:20:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: FormerLurker (#191)

I'm sure the French do not hate their resistance forces

Do the French hate the Vichy? Some did obviously and some didn't obviously. Could a German despise the SS?

Of course there are some scumbags that join the service...

And just those few bad apples made Fayetteville NC, Jacksonville, Columbus GA, Phenix City AL, and Valdosta the shitholes they are today? Whatever.

By your reckoning with all those fine upstanding men there,military base towns should be better, cleaner, nicer, etc. than the average town and this isn't the case and you know it.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-11-13   19:31:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: SmokinOPs (#192)

By your reckoning with all those fine upstanding men there,military base towns should be better, cleaner, nicer, etc. than the average town and this isn't the case and you know it.

It is the vultures that run those businesses in those towns that are the real problem, not so much the military personel that are forced to live there.

There are MANY cities that have military bases nearby that DON'T have the problems you list. It's just that the ones you list have local officials that turn a blind eye to opportunists that prey upon the young men that are looking for something to do other than sit in the barracks and jerk off.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-13   19:49:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: FormerLurker (#194)

There are MANY cities that have military bases nearby that DON'T have the problems you list.

Where? Name 'em. I've probably been to 50 major base towns and they are like carbon copies of each other. Here's some more: El Paso, Colorado Springs, Cheyenne.

Here's what a comment on a real estate site had to say about Ft. Knox (it shows I'm not the only one noticing):

Sorry to break the news, but there are really no quaint small towns arounf Ft Knox. The area around Ft Knox is nasty, there is nothing but strip clubs, bars, and adult books around that stretch of 31W.

www.city-data.com/forum/k...78037-moving-ft-knox.html

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-11-13   19:55:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#201. To: SmokinOPs (#196)

Where? Name 'em.

First off, MANY US cities and towns have problems, even though there is NO military base nearby. I DO acknowledge that there ARE some real issues at some basetowns, but those problems are largely brought about by the opportunists that prey upon the young men there.

You attempt to paint the military as the CAUSE of a non-specific set of problems, then expect me to list places that don't have these yet to be defined issues.

Why don't YOU give me an example of what you are talking about, as you haven't been very specific as to the sort of problems you are attributing to the military, you just use vague language and imply that any problems in those areas HAS to be caused by the military.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-13   20:12:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#207. To: FormerLurker (#201)

Why don't YOU give me an example of what you are talking about, as you haven't been very specific as to the sort of problems you are attributing to the military

Increased drunkenness, theft, burglary, violence, broken homes, bastard kids, shit schools, divorce, wife beating, bad housing, unkempt property and a general degradation of the quality of life are what can be expected to be overly represented in close proximity to anywhere a standing army is stationed.

That's been a fact throughout history written about from this forum all the way back to Greek historians. Multiple examples of towns that exemplify these traits have been given, and I'm done beating this dead horse.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-11-13   20:23:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#210. To: SmokinOPs (#207)

Increased drunkenness, theft, burglary, violence, broken homes, bastard kids, shit schools, divorce, wife beating, bad housing, unkempt property and a general degradation of the quality of life are what can be expected to be overly represented in close proximity to anywhere a standing army is stationed.

That's rampant in many large cities. Prove that those issues are due to the military.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-13   20:25:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#214. To: FormerLurker (#210)

That's rampant in many large cities.

Sounds like you are describing how millions live in such places.

That's the point you two dipshits. Small military towns have those problems out in the middle of nowhere.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-11-13   20:28:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#220. To: SmokinOPs (#214)

That's the point you two dipshits.

You and Burka remind me of misfits in the military, spent three years, finally made PFC and then blame it on the military when some local church lady gave you the clap.

I knew you been around that scene before, it shows.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-11-13   20:35:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#224. To: Cynicom (#220) (Edited)

You and Burka remind me of misfits in the military, spent three years, finally made PFC and then blame it on the military when some local church lady gave you the clap.

You see, nothing in the military reminds me of anything as I wasn't raised feral and didn't see the military as anything but a downward path so never joined.

You on the other hand admit to first hand knowledge.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-11-13   20:49:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#225. To: SmokinOPsand didn't see the military as anything, but a downward path so never joined. (#224)

and didn't see the military as anything, but a downward path so never joined.

Joined?

I got news for you young man. I go back to WW2 and we were INVITED to someone elses war.

Your condemnation of the military, something you never lived but seem to take great pride in demeaning, shows a total lack of character.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-11-13   20:53:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#226. To: Cynicom (#225)

Your condemnation of the military...

is on a solid rock foundation of 5000 years of known human history.

Thanks for noticing.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-11-13   20:55:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#230. To: SmokinOPs (#226)

is on a solid rock foundation of 5000 years of known human history.

Thanks for noticing.

Odd, I have never seen or heard that before, just from you.

Most countries I know of have military now and in the past. Sort of a necessary program for survival.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-11-13   21:17:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#232. To: Cynicom (#230)

Most countries I know of have military now and in the past.

Was that part of the debate? Do try to follow along old man or the nurse will send you to bed without your pudding cup.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-11-13   21:24:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#233. To: SmokinOPs (#232)

I still think your hatred for the military is based on a bad personal experience.

Like I said afore, misfits are misfits whether in the military are here on 4um spouting their hatred, little men if you will. Worst kind.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-11-13   21:27:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#235. To: Cynicom (#233) (Edited)

I still think your hatred for the military is based on a bad personal experience.

You can think the Sun revolves around the Earth for all I give a shit. The problem is you haven't even made the attempt to dispute a single assertion I've made about the character of a standing army. And we both know why that is.

All you're left with (in fact all you started out with as usual) is a personal attack. It may amuse you, (hell, your lame attempts amuse even me)but it won't make you right.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-11-13   21:34:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#236. To: SmokinOPs (#235)

You finally admit something is amiss, all you have is assertions of your personal opinions which are based on hate. All of which are not accepted by those that can see your rank hatred.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-11-13   21:36:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#237. To: Cynicom (#236)

You are the weakest debater on here I swear. Whether I hate or love the military my observations stand undisputed by you for a simple reason - you can't do it.

By the way, another common thread through history on standing armies is higher levels of homosexuality than the general population. It's a regular queer smorgasbord. I bet you REALLY noticed that in there didn't you?

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-11-13   21:59:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#238. To: SmokinOPs (#237)

By the way, another common thread through history on standing armies is higher levels of homosexuality than the general population. It's a regular queer smorgasbord.

You must find such things fascinating. Apparently, the fact that you were too chicken shit to join leads you to find all sorts of reasons why those that did join are somehow fucked up and less of a human than you are.

That, or you're feeling that you missing out on some action. Perhaps you should give Jeff Gannon a ring, he might be able to give you what you apparently desperately need.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-13   22:45:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#239. To: FormerLurker (#238)

Apparently, the fact that you were too chicken shit to join leads you to find all sorts of reasons why those that did join are somehow fucked up and less of a human than you are.

Actually the military is often a coward's way out for people who can't hack it in business, work or family life. They want to go somewhere where life is regimented, discipline is external instead of self, and all life necessities are provided. That's why military towns resemble the dysfunctional lifestyle found in a typical poor rural trailer park or inner city gubmint housing.

They aren't less human, but they sure as hell aren't to be put on a pedestal for worship as you do.

You must find such things fascinating.

I find alot of history fascinating. Should I only look at the things that aggrandize the standing army? Truth be told there aren't many.

That, or you're feeling that you missing out on some action. Perhaps you should give Jeff Gannon a ring, he might be able to give you what you apparently desperately need.

When you can't debate the obvious...yada,yada, yada.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-11-13   22:58:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#240. To: SmokinOPs (#239)

When you can't debate the obvious...yada,yada, yada.

You're the one guilty of playing the fag card first.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-13   23:22:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#241. To: FormerLurker (#240)

You're the one guilty of playing the fag card first.

I'm not playing any "card". No more so than if we were talking about prison conditions and it was brought up there. From Spartans to Jannisaries to the Royal Navy, sodomy has been a prevalent aspect of military life.

Don't ask don't tell, who are they trying to kid? Every once in a while the NIS or CID will harass a few queer bars in Norfolk or Fayetteville just to look like they are doing something about it, and then with a nod and a wink it's back to cornholing as usual.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-11-13   23:40:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#243. To: SmokinOPs (#241)

I have an idea. You can test your theory by conducting a survey of military personel in bars near Camp Pendleton, or Camp Lejeune. Go up to a table of Marines, and ask them if they would be interested in some gay sex.

Let me know their answer...

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-14   13:28:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#246. To: FormerLurker, Cynicom (#243)

I have an idea. You can test your theory by conducting a survey of military personel in bars near Camp Pendleton, or Camp Lejeune. Go up to a table of Marines, and ask them if they would be interested in some gay sex.

Another idiot that thinks outwardly macho bravado is the opposite of homosexuality.

Since you seem to love the military so much though, maybe you should try to really love them. The Marines you're looking for hang out at the Boom Boom Room and the Brass Rail. The gay porn producers who are looking for in-shape masculine tops have been recruiting military at those places for years.

I wonder if that's where they picked up Ann Coulter's buddy Cpl. Sanchez (aka Rod Majors) and the Marine Captain turned gay porn star, Rich Merritt. From what I've read, globe and anchor tattoos are quite prevalent in the business.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-11-14   15:57:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#247. To: SmokinOPs (#246)

The gay porn producers who are looking for in-shape masculine tops have been recruiting military at those places for years.

Looks like you know where to find them, eh Smokin? You must be a familiar face there...

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-14   16:20:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#248. To: FormerLurker (#247)

Looks like you know where to find them, eh Smokin? You must be a familiar face there...

Yeah, you so witty. Wellpers, I'm pretty much done. My point has been made without refutation, so there's no reason to continue. Bump away.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-11-14   16:25:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#249. To: SmokinOPs (#248)

My point has been made without refutation

Yep, you've made it quite clear that you know where to pick up fags.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-14   16:27:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#250. To: FormerLurker (#249)

Yep, you've made it quite clear that you know where to pick up fags.

I guess by that reasoning you're a porno addict based on your comments about porn here the other day. Also, everyone on 4um must be a corrupt, queer, gubmint official since so many are knowledgeable about those things too.

Yeppers, the only way someone can learn about toe-tapping fags in the airport bathroom is by being a toe-tapping fag.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-11-14 16:35:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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