" -- contributing editor Deroy Murdock wrote that "[w]aterboarding is something of which every American should be proud," adding that "[t]hough clearly uncomfortable, waterboarding loosens lips without causing permanent physical injuries (and unlikely even temporary ones)." In fact, according to medical experts on the effect of torture, waterboarding results in both short and long-term negative consequences for mental and physical health, including possible risk of death, as Media Matters for America has repeatedlydocumented.
In his column, Murdock asserted that "[w]aterboarding makes tight-lipped terrorists talk. At least three major al-Qaeda leaders reportedly have been waterboarded, most notably Khalid Sheik Mohammed." Murdock further wrote:
Appropriately enough, waterboarding is not used on American citizens suspected of tax evasion, sexual harassment, or bank robbery. Waterboarding is used on foreign Islamic-extremist terrorists, captured abroad, who would love nothing more than to blast innocent men, women, and children into small, bloody pieces. Some of them already have done so.
Waterboarding has worked quickly, causing at least one well-known subject to break down and identify at least six other high-profile, highly bloodthirsty associates before they could commit further mass murder beyond the 3,192 people they already killed and the 7,715 they already wounded.
Though clearly uncomfortable, waterboarding loosens lips without causing permanent physical injuries (and unlikely even temporary ones). If terrorists suffer long-term nightmares about waterboarding, better that than more Americans crying themselves to sleep after their loved ones have been shredded by bombs or baked in skyscrapers.
In short, there is nothing "repugnant" about waterboarding.
Contrary to Murdock's assertions, Allen S. Keller, M.D., director of the Bellevue Hospital Center/New York University Program for Survivors of Torture, said in written testimony to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence: "To think that abusive methods, including the enhanced interrogation techniques [in which Keller included waterboarding], are harmless psychological ploys is contradictory to well established medical knowledge and clinical experience. These methods are intended to break the prisoners down, to terrify them and cause harm to their psyche, and in so doing result in lasting harmful health consequences." He said of waterboarding specifically, "Long term effects include panic attacks, depression and PTSD [post traumatic stress disorder]," and said it poses a "real risk of death."
Water-boarding or mock drowning, where a prisoner is bound to an inclined board and water is poured over their face, inducing a terrifying fear of drowning clearly can result in immediate and long-term health consequences. As the prisoner gags and chokes, the terror of imminent death is pervasive, with all of the physiologic and psychological responses expected, including an intense stress response, manifested by tachycardia, rapid heart beat and gasping for breath. There is a real risk of death from actually drowning or suffering a heart attack or damage to the lungs from inhalation of water. Long term effects include panic attacks, depression and PTSD. I remind you of the patient I described earlier who would panic and gasp for breath whenever it rained even years after his abuse.
Finally, Murdock's description of the congressional wrangling over Michael Mukasey, President Bush's nominee for attorney general, as "not quite torture, but it sure has been painful," echoed CNN's recent portrayal of the process as "political torture," and the description, by Time magazine's Ana Marie Cox, of former Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales' questioning by Congress in August as "legislative waterboarding."
Waterboarding is used on foreign Islamic-extremist terrorists, captured abroad, [by those]who would love nothing more than to blast innocent men, women, and children into small, bloody pieces. Some of them already have done so.
Fear mongering bastards.. using fear to lead the people into compromising their principles to do all sorts of evil.. and you know, the German people were criticized for not stopping Hitler when his regime perpetrated his evil deeds.. and the German people were held accountable.. what of the US citizens? The chickens will come home to roost..
I recently watched the German film "Sophie Scholl, the Final Days". She was one of the members of the "White Rose"- a group of Munich students who spread anti war leaflets in 1942 and 1943. The film was based on transcripts of her interrogations (which were conducted without torture by the way).
She and her friends were accussed of "aiding the enemy" by "demoralizing the troops". How familiar is that refrain among reich wingers these days? When she brought up the atrocities in Russia by German troops her interrogator called them "lies" and of course- called her a "traitor." At her trial- after being sentenced to death she shouted out to her "judge"- "You will soon be in our place." (he was actually killed in an air raid in 1945 conducting another "people's trial").
What struck me about her- was the passion of her uncompromising Christian beliefs. How distant the example of her faith is from that of American rapture nutters and the "Christians" who applaud the murder of civilains at places like Hiromshima.
The Third Reich also had its phony Christians who supported the tyrannical regime. Deutsche Christen. See Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity, 1919-1945 .
Its very much the revisionist history among American Christians and "conservatives" to try to obscure the very active support mainstream German Christian groups gave to Hitler, the NAZI Party, and the war. They point to Himmler and other dopes among the top Nazi leadership trying to revive Norse god pagan worship- which was half hearted at best- and Hitler himself found amusingly stupid and made fun of Himmler for. But the fact of the matter is that the big "Christian" political groups supported Hitler. Hitler, his vision of Germany, and the war effort were all supported from the pulpit of the vast majority of German Christian churches.
The attempt to remove Christianity from culpablity in the crimes of the Nazi regime is quite dishonest.
I also love it when "big government conservatives" try and say that Hitler was a "socialist". Yes, in exactly the same way that "Big government conservatives" are socialists. When Hitler came to power he quickly abandoned his more conventional socialist rhetoric (killing the left of his party on "The night of the long knives") and reached accomodation with Corporate Germany.
And now that "Big Government conservatives" also embrace torture, murder and assassination as well as an all powerful President- the only thing that seperates them from Nazis- is anti Jewish rhetoric. But- they make up for that in their overt hatred of Muslims and their desire to kill them all.
There is really nothing to distinguish your average Bushbot Reichwinger on El Pee or Freaker land from a Nazi.