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Title: Buchanan: Is World War III on hold?
Source: Worldnetdaily
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Published: Nov 13, 2007
Author: Pat Buchanan
Post Date: 2007-11-13 11:15:04 by Brian S
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Views: 179
Comments: 9

November 13, 2007 1:00 a.m. Eastern

Is a Bush pre-emptive strike on Iran's nuclear enrichment plant at Natanz, or on the Al Quds force of the Revolutionary Guard, a more remote possibility today than it was several weeks ago?

So it would seem.

The latest indication is a candid interview in the Financial Times with Adm. William "Fox" Fallon, head of Central Command, who would be the Tommy Franks of any naval or air war on Iran.

"The Pentagon is not preparing a pre-emptive attack on Iran in spite of an increase in bellicose rhetoric from Washington, according to senior officers," concluded the FT in the lead of its story.

Dealing with Iran is a "challenge," a strike is not "in the offing," Fallon is quoted. His comments, said the Times, "served as a shot across the bows of hawks who argue for imminent action."

"[G]enerally, the bellicose comments" out of Washington "are not particularly helpful," said our CentCom commander. That is naval gunfire directed right across the bow of the West Wing.

For the ranking man in Washington said to be arguing loudest for imminent action is Dick Cheney. And the most "bellicose comments" about Iran coming out of Washington have come from George W. Bush.

Here, again, is Bush at the American Legion Convention:

"Iran ... is the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism. ... Iran funds terrorist groups like Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which murder the innocent and target Israel. ... Iran is sending arms to the Taliban. ... Iran's active pursuit of technology that could lead to nuclear weapons threatens to put a region already known for instability and violence under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust."

Last month, Bush ventured further, "[I]f you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them (Iran) from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon."

If terms like "nuclear holocaust" and "World War III" are not "bellicose rhetoric," what is?

Why might the administration be backing away from war on Iran?

First, Pakistan. With a nation of 170 million with nuclear weapons in a political crisis that could lead to civil war, igniting a war with Iran would seem suicidal – especially with the war in Iraq about to enter its sixth year this spring and the war in Afghanistan about to enter its seventh year next month.

Second, there is no guarantee U.S. air strikes could denuclearize Iran, except temporarily. Bombs cannot destroy knowledge, and Iran has been gaining knowledge for years on how to enrich uranium. Moreover, Iran has surely secreted away many of the centrifuges it has constructed, far from the Natanz plant – ground zero – where 2,000 or 3,000 are said to be operating.

Third, no one can predict where an attack on Iran will lead. While the United States could smash all known nuclear facilities, Iran could ship IEDs, sniper rifles and surface-to-air missiles into Afghanistan and Iraq, and send in thousands of Revolutionary Guard and cause chaos in the Gulf that would double or treble the price of oil, setting off a worldwide recession. Sleeper cells could retaliate for Iranian casualties with suicide bombings at U.S. malls.

We went into Iraq and Afghanistan without an exit strategy. In Iran, other than the naval and air strikes of the first weeks, we do not know how or where the war would go. We do know the Iranians have been preparing surprises.

Fourth, Congress seems to have found its voice, and 30 senators have written to inform President Bush that he does not have the authority, absent an Iranian attack on U.S. forces, to launch a war on Iran. While Rudy Giuliani and John McCain remain hawkish, the Democratic candidates are moving in the other direction.

Fifth, there has been a downturn in roadside attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq, suggesting Iran may no longer be supplying the enhanced IEDs. And U.S. forces have released several Iranians held captive in Iraq. There may be progress behind the scenes, as both countries could suffer horribly in a war.

We are not out of the woods yet. If Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is telling the truth about those 3,000 centrifuges working perfectly, Iran could have the nuclear material for a single bomb in a year. The International Atomic Energy Agency reports this month on whether Iran is meeting its commitments to come clean. It is not. And the European Union will report on whether the sanctions have succeeded or failed. And the latter is the case.

And there are those in Tehran who would relish U.S. strikes, to unite the nation against us and consolidate the mullahs' power.

Nevertheless, the forces against war now and for negotiations with Tehran – Condi Rice, Robert Gates, the Pentagon brass, the most outspoken of the retired military and NATO Europe – seem to be gaining the ascendancy in the last great battle of the Bush presidency.

And the War Party, which began its propaganda offensive around Labor Day, seems to have shot its bolt. For now.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

A war with Iran would be the kiss of death for any GOP candidate. Shrub has no loyalty to his (former) constituents, but he still knows that it's the GOP political machine that butters his family's bread. Maybe some RNC higher-ups told him and his team to hold back until the election results were in.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-11-13   11:27:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Brian S (#0)

Why might the administration be backing away from war on Iran?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

As far as I know, God hasn't whispered in Booshie's ear yet on this issue.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2007-11-13   11:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Rupert_Pupkin, iconoclast (#1)

The U.S. cannot initiate a war with Iran as they signed the Capian Sea pact with Putin. America cannot take on Russia. But Israel is very powerful inside Russia so Putin cannot respond to a Zionist air assault on Iran.The war will be initiated by Israel. Iran will respond by attacking the U.S. and Israel. Bush will nuke the Mideast. The Blowback will be enormous. America will cease to be a nation. It will be that bad unless we stop them before the elections. All we have to do is to get Pelosi and Reid to tell the world that if Israel goes rogue and attacks Iran that they are on their own. The Senate and the Congress will withdraw all aid to Israel. In a rational world we would have done that long ago. Maybe something else will happen to stop WW III.

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Horse  posted on  2007-11-13   11:59:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Horse (#3)

I offer up a different scenario entirely.

Nothing happens, and the world remains in turmoil while the price of oil remains artificially inflated. 2009 comes, Hillary Ascends, and the oil prices normalize as the war will be over, and the country will go back to the socialist agenda of high taxes, and of course, freebies for every part of the country.

Iran will of course back off, because there's no threat of Bush, and for 4 years we'll have some kind of mitigated peace.

Of course, the end of the worlders in 2012, will desperately try to bring about armageddon, and when it does happen, well, there just won't be enough people to give a fuck to stop it.

I fully expect that after her ascension that there will be dissenters rounded up, because there will be a lot of people who do not want a woman to be president. I certainly wouldn't mind if we had one, but Definitely Not Hillary. She's evil in ways we've never imagined, and would work to no end to destroy this country with her evil sidekick husband in tow.

I want the Clintons out of politics because they are nothing more than agents of evil who work night and day to destroy the freedoms we so hold dear. If she were good for the country, then 100 percent of the people would want to see her ascend.

I do not. I do not believe for one moment that her agenda for this country will benefit this country, nor will it do anything but be the jackhammer that destroys the very foundations of our sovereignty, and prosperity.

Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2007-11-13   13:43:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Horse (#3)

All we have to do is to get Pelosi and Reid to tell the world that if Israel goes rogue and attacks Iran that they are on their own. The Senate and the Congress will withdraw all aid to Israel.

And pigs will fly over Washington.

You paint a truly frightening scenario ... but well within possibility.

The only hope is intervention from the White House and good luck on that one.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2007-11-13   16:45:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Brian S (#0)

And there are those in Tehran who would relish U.S. strikes, to unite the nation against us and consolidate the mullahs' power.

We have some warmongering freaks too.

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robin  posted on  2007-11-13   16:52:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: robin (#6)

And there are those in Tehran who would relish U.S. strikes, to unite the nation against us and consolidate the mullahs' power.

The Iranian mullahs aren't any more deranged than Pat Robertson, John Hagee, and the rest of the Armageddon Lobby (who have much the same influence over Bush as the mullahs have over Ahmedinijad). Personally, I wish that all countries would round up their religious fanatics and ship them off to an island somewhere, so that they could fight it out over whose book of fairy tales and doomsday scenarios are best.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-11-13   17:14:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Brian S (#0)

"[G]enerally, the bellicose comments" out of Washington "are not particularly helpful," said our CentCom commander. That is naval gunfire directed right across the bow of the West Wing.

For the ranking man in Washington said to be arguing loudest for imminent action is Dick Cheney. And the most "bellicose comments" about Iran coming out of Washington have come from George W. Bush.

You were asking for evidence that Washington has been planning to attack Iran?

Pat Buchanan seems to think there were such intentions -- although they are now on hold.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-11-13   17:47:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Brian S (#0)

Buchanan: Is World War III on hold?

Not really. Everything is proceeding with planning as usual.

The cast of characters has not yet been finalized.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-11-13   17:51:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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