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Title: Feds ban grandma's angel ornament on Christmas tree....avoid Jesus in decorations
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URL Source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58596
Published: Nov 9, 2007
Author: WorldNetDaily
Post Date: 2007-11-13 21:09:51 by AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt
Keywords: Dead Constitution
Views: 1660
Comments: 68

Feds ban grandma's angel ornament on Christmas tree

HUD orders residents to avoid Jesus in decorations

Posted: November 9, 2007

© 2007 http://WorldNetDaily.com

Federal Department of Housing and Urban Development officials have announced a ban on any decorations in HUD housing complexes that mention Jesus or represent religion for the Christmas season, and the American Family Association has responded with a petition drive to overturn the decision.

The AFA has set up a link to allow constituents to send e-mails to the HUD secretary or President Bush expressing their objections to the policy.

The issue arose at the Plant City Living Center in Plant City, Fla., where 85-year-old Mrs. Arnold was told that federal law now prohibits her from displaying anything that references religion – words, decorations and the like – in the common area of her apartment building, a HUD facility.

The grandmother told AFA she was instructed that even an angel decoration would be disallowed by the ban, which makes her think of the restrictions in Germany during World War II.

According to the center, HUD has issued a directive banning "any religious symbols or religious words associated with Christmas," which effectively prevents Mrs. Arnold from placing a small Christmas tree outside her door if it contains any religious symbols or words – "even an angel," AFA said in a special alert asking for e-mails.

A spokeswoman at the center who preferred not to give her name told WND the rules now prevent displays "like a manger, like a Christ child, any religious symbols."

"We used to have a sign outside that said, 'Jesus is the reason for the season,' but we can't anymore," she told WND. "We're all very unhappy about that."

The building has about 40 one-bedroom apartments for seniors who are at least 62 years old.

The spokeswoman said she didn't know what would be used for decorations now. "I don't know. We can probably decorate the tree, but we can't put anything on it that symbolizes Christ," she said.

"If the residents want to have a Christmas party in their community room, they cannot call it a Christmas party. The Center says HUD directs residents not to use the word 'Christmas' but to use the word 'holiday,'" the AFA advisory said.

"A Sunday School class from a church near Mrs. Arnold's apartment comes every year to host a Hanging of the Greens and Christmas Party for all the residents. She said the highlight of their Christmas Party comes at the very end of The Hanging of the Greens when someone places the angel on top of their Christmas tree. Their tradition is now banned by the federal government," the AFA said.

The family group noted the federal government has become increasingly active in banning Christianity from the public square, citing the National Park Service's efforts to conceal the words "Laus Deo," which is Latin for "Praise Be to God" at the Washington Monument, and the move by a Veterans Administration official to ban the script of a flag-folding ceremony that mentions "Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" and "Father, Son and Holy Ghost" at 100 national cemeteries.

However, "both of these were rescinded after AFA supporters sent e-mails to proper authorities," the AFA said. In the case of the Washington Monument dispute, Park Service officials told WND they got 26,000 e-mails in a morning.

WND also reported earlier this week that government officials in Fort Collins, Colo., are considering new regulations for Christmas decorations that appear to ban red and green lights because they are too religious.

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#10. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, robin, thread commenters and lurkers (#0)

All right, I'll start some fireworks - and take the flak.

WHERE in Scripture is Christmas ever pronounced as a Holy Day (holiday) in the first place? What does God have to say about it?

Isaiah 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear [them]. 15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Christmas a holiday of MAN'S creation? Furthermore, it would appear that this ban is actually upholding the 2nd Commandment:

Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:

That's right. Cute as they may be, Grandma's little angel ornament, and all those plastic Jesus statues adorning everybody's homes are in VIOLATION of the Second Commandment.

Why is it that we don't get all excited about the Feast of Weeks, or Feast of Trumpets? Probably 4 out of 5 Americans never even heard of those, but those I CAN find in Scripture as Holy Days set for us by the Creator...

And we wonder why the world is going to hell in a handbasket...

Isaiah 1:15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

innieway  posted on  2007-11-14   0:57:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: innieway (#10)

Yes, Christmas is a man-made creation, and Christians celebrate it as a time to recapture the joy of the birth of their savior, and to be with family and friends, to let bygones be bygones, and to spread good will and cheer and hopes for peace at least ONCE a year. No, the lost sheep have probably never heard of the feasts you mentioned. If the antichrists in our midst did away with them, the people wouldn't miss them, and wouldn't know or care who's doing this to them. Christmas they can understand. Let's do away with it and celebrate Hanukah and the tribe of Dan Messiah, instead.

".....Chanuka spreads its light across two months. A month of light and a month of darkness. And even after the last night of Chanuka is over and the blaze of all its eight candles has gone out, and it seems that the night is flooded by the neon glare of artificial light, those thirty-six hidden candles burn on in the days of Tevet for the people of the moon like the thirty-six hidden tzaddikim, righteous people, on whose shoulders this world is standing.

Seasons of the MOON: Night Killer

ohr.edu/yhiy/article.php/1401

THE LOST TRIBE OF DAN

THE EARLY JEWISH & CHRISTIAN VIEW OF THE IDENTITY OF THE ANTICHRIST

http://www.watch.pair.com/dan.html

1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-11-14   7:38:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#11)

Christians celebrate it as a time to recapture the joy of the birth of their savior, and to be with family and friends, to let bygones be bygones, and to spread good will and cheer and hopes for peace at least ONCE a year.

I understand the concept and I'll readily admit that it is a NICE concept. BUT, that doesn't mean we should be doing it. This may be a poor example, but the concept of "something for nothing" is nice too - but it's no excuse for shoplifting. And it should be known I'm not an advocate of Hanukkah or Chanuka or whatever either. Doing away with one false Holy Day does not mean replacing it with another.

My position is quite simple. We should get back to following what Scripture actually teaches, and forget all these "feel good" concepts (however "nice" they may be). Unless we do (and it appears we WON'T) we cannot expect the Creator or the Messiah to "be there for us".

In Matthew 12:50 we are told by the Messiah For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Just WHAT would the WILL of the Creator be? I would argue that since He told us 22 times in Scripture to "Keep My Commandments" (in those exact words, and many more times we were told to "keep my statutes" etc) He must have deemed it as being very important to HIM. This was summed up quite nicely and simply in John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
I think doing His will might be to do as we are told, and quit being disobedient children. Disobedient children deserve a spanking. Is this a spanking we really want?

innieway  posted on  2007-11-14   10:15:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: innieway (#19) (Edited)

Some of my happiest childhood memories revolve around the holidays. Some of my favorite music, including hymns, involves Christmas.

There was a special star and the Three Wise Men thought His birth was a very big deal and something to celebrate.

Why shouldn't we?

robin  posted on  2007-11-14   10:18:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#22. To: robin, innieway (#20)

There was a special star and the Three Wise Men thought His birth was a very big deal and something to celebrate.

Why shouldn't we?

That was one of the things I was going to say....

and then there's this one:

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

He told us to be like him....would He really object to us celebrating His birth as the Prince of Peace who gave us the gift of Eternal Life, by setting aside a time each year for "giving gifts to men"?

You know He said He would catch them in their craftiness, and bring the hidden things of darkness to light. Maybe this is one of His ways. His sheep of Ezekiel 34 were led astray by the hireling shepherds....maybe it was the hireling shepherds who gave us this holiday based on pagan practices for the purpose of catching us in their snare....maybe God is using this holiday to reveal the wolves who have been hiding in sheep's clothing, and turning it back on them....

I KNOW what you are saying is true....I have read the best of the "Santa is Satan" articles, and they are very convincing. However, Christ said He has come to give us life and give it more abundantly, AND He said to OCCUPY until He comes....would He be pleased that we capitulate the time Christians have set aside for remembrance of him [albeit with heathen trappings] to the ones who hate and strive to usurp Him? I'm not so sure.....

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, [even] Christ:.......

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eph/Eph004.html#8

Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jer/31/34.html

We should all strive toward what you are saying, Innie, but we are not all there yet.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-11-14 10:50:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: robin (#20)

There was a special star and the Three Wise Men thought His birth was a very big deal and something to celebrate.

Why shouldn't we?

Well, I checked it out pretty carefully, and can't seem to find where it became a yearly holiday in Scripture. Can you point out to me where it is? I'm sure I just overlooked it.

These are exactly the type things people and religions use as their justification for doing things which violate Scripture. They don't want their beliefs tested, they are comfortable in them. It feels good. The truth and/or facts may be more than they can handle. So they dig up things for excuses as to why they should NOT change.

Why shouldn't we? Well, perhaps because Christmas practices are pretty well described in Jeremiah 10:3,4 3 For the customs of the people [are] vain: for [one] cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Jeremiah 10:2 says this is the practice of the HEATHEN, and specifically states NOT to do this. Heathen and pagan are synonymous.

Other than that, refer to my previous argument.

I'm really not trying to change anyone's beliefs concerning the matter, even though I know it seems I am. I don't have a problem with people following their religious beliefs; in fact, I feel they have a right to do so unimpeded. All I'm attempting to do is report what Scripture actually teaches, and offer an explanation for why - despite many prayers - we still have wars, so much illness, economic strife, etc...

innieway  posted on  2007-11-14 11:17:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: robin (#20)

When was his birthday? I never found it in scriptures....

rowdee  posted on  2007-11-14 16:27:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: robin (#20)

I've heard it said to go ahead and have holiday fun, but don't try to pin it on 'celebrating Christ'. It's a manmade holiday. As for celebrating Christ, how can you begin to do that when you're hammered beginning with Halloween to start the buying frenzy, and kids are innundated with the latest advertisement wonders beginning 12/26! Where school choirs can't sing 'Oh little star of Bethlehem", but can sing about some fricking reindeer's red nose! Where you can't display a manger set in the public square, but can sell condoms in public bathrooms.

Buy goodies for those you love and care about--just try not to pin in on something to do with Jesus Christ. His talk of giving was to those in need.

It isn't as easy to talk about being a christian or being a christian when one really tries to live the life. I know, because I fail every day in some way or another.

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