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Title: Feds ban grandma's angel ornament on Christmas tree....avoid Jesus in decorations
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URL Source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58596
Published: Nov 9, 2007
Author: WorldNetDaily
Post Date: 2007-11-13 21:09:51 by AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt
Keywords: Dead Constitution
Views: 1031
Comments: 68

Feds ban grandma's angel ornament on Christmas tree

HUD orders residents to avoid Jesus in decorations

Posted: November 9, 2007

© 2007 http://WorldNetDaily.com

Federal Department of Housing and Urban Development officials have announced a ban on any decorations in HUD housing complexes that mention Jesus or represent religion for the Christmas season, and the American Family Association has responded with a petition drive to overturn the decision.

The AFA has set up a link to allow constituents to send e-mails to the HUD secretary or President Bush expressing their objections to the policy.

The issue arose at the Plant City Living Center in Plant City, Fla., where 85-year-old Mrs. Arnold was told that federal law now prohibits her from displaying anything that references religion – words, decorations and the like – in the common area of her apartment building, a HUD facility.

The grandmother told AFA she was instructed that even an angel decoration would be disallowed by the ban, which makes her think of the restrictions in Germany during World War II.

According to the center, HUD has issued a directive banning "any religious symbols or religious words associated with Christmas," which effectively prevents Mrs. Arnold from placing a small Christmas tree outside her door if it contains any religious symbols or words – "even an angel," AFA said in a special alert asking for e-mails.

A spokeswoman at the center who preferred not to give her name told WND the rules now prevent displays "like a manger, like a Christ child, any religious symbols."

"We used to have a sign outside that said, 'Jesus is the reason for the season,' but we can't anymore," she told WND. "We're all very unhappy about that."

The building has about 40 one-bedroom apartments for seniors who are at least 62 years old.

The spokeswoman said she didn't know what would be used for decorations now. "I don't know. We can probably decorate the tree, but we can't put anything on it that symbolizes Christ," she said.

"If the residents want to have a Christmas party in their community room, they cannot call it a Christmas party. The Center says HUD directs residents not to use the word 'Christmas' but to use the word 'holiday,'" the AFA advisory said.

"A Sunday School class from a church near Mrs. Arnold's apartment comes every year to host a Hanging of the Greens and Christmas Party for all the residents. She said the highlight of their Christmas Party comes at the very end of The Hanging of the Greens when someone places the angel on top of their Christmas tree. Their tradition is now banned by the federal government," the AFA said.

The family group noted the federal government has become increasingly active in banning Christianity from the public square, citing the National Park Service's efforts to conceal the words "Laus Deo," which is Latin for "Praise Be to God" at the Washington Monument, and the move by a Veterans Administration official to ban the script of a flag-folding ceremony that mentions "Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" and "Father, Son and Holy Ghost" at 100 national cemeteries.

However, "both of these were rescinded after AFA supporters sent e-mails to proper authorities," the AFA said. In the case of the Washington Monument dispute, Park Service officials told WND they got 26,000 e-mails in a morning.

WND also reported earlier this week that government officials in Fort Collins, Colo., are considering new regulations for Christmas decorations that appear to ban red and green lights because they are too religious.

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#14. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)

Of course. Disassociate the people from anything that would impede their allegiance to the Fatherland.

angle  posted on  2007-11-14   8:19:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: angle, innieway (#14)

That's right.

They ruined September 11 for celebrating Christ's birth....David Chilton gave a good argument for that being the actual day....I often think that is the reason they chose that day to attack us....revenge.

page 328

THE HOLY WAR 12:3 An added bonus: Sundown on September 11, 3 B. C., was the beginning of Tishri 1 in the Jewish calendar – Rosh Hashanah, the Day of Trumpets! 14 Martin summarizes: “The central theme of the Day of Trumpets is clearly that of enthronement of the great King of kings. This was the general understanding of the day in early Judaism – and it certainly is that of the New Testa- ment. In Revelation 11:15 the seventh angel sounds his ‘last trump’ and the kingdoms of this world become those of Christ. This happens at a time when a woman is seen in heaven with twelve stars around her head and the Sun mid-bodied to her, with the Moon under her feet. This is clearly a New Moon scene for the Day of Trumpets.” 15

3 St. John sees another sign . . . in heaven: a great red Dragon. As he explains in v. 9, the Dragon is none other than “the Serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan,” the enemy of God and His people. St. John reveals him as the power be- hind the imperial thrones of the ancient world that persecuted the Church; for, like the four Beast-empires of Daniel’s proph- ecy, the Dragon has seven heads and ten horns: Daniel’s beasts possessed seven heads among them (the third beast having four), and the fourth beast had ten horns (Dan. 7:3-7). Baby- lon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome were all stages in the Dragon’s attempt to establish his illicit empire over the world. (The significance of the seven heads is thus not simply that the Dragon is hard to kill, but rather that he is identified with the terrible beasts of Daniel’s vision; cf. the “heads” of the Dragon in Ps. 74:13 -15.) He was the great Beast, of which they had been only partial images. It was he who had been the agelong enemy of the people of God. In all Israel’s struggles against Beasts,

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-phenomena taking place during the years 3-2 B.C. Chief among these celestial events was the fact that Jupiter, recognized by Jews and Gentiles alike as the “Planet of the Messiah:’ was located in Virgo’s womb and standing still, directly over Bethlehem, on December 25, 2 B. C., when the Child was a little over a year old. (Matthew states that the holy family was settled in a house, not in a stable, by the time the Magi visited [Matt. 2:11]. Moreover, Herod ordered the slaughter of the innocents “from two years old and under, accord- ing to the time which he had ascertained from the Magi” [Matt. 2:16], in- dicating that the Child was no longer a newborn.) For a full account of the as- tronomical events of 3-2 B.c., see Martin, pp. 4-25, 144-77. 14. Ibid., pp. 152ff. 15. Ibid., p. 158. 303

Days of Vengeance

http://www.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/html/dcdv/dcdv.html [Start at about page 325]

innieway:

Why is it that we don't get all excited about the Feast of Weeks, or Feast of Trumpets? Probably 4 out of 5 Americans never even heard of those, but those I CAN find in Scripture as Holy Days set for us by the Creator...

September 10, 2001 - Moon Occults Saturn

September 12, 2001 - Moon Occults Jupiter

September 17, 2001 - Erev Rosh Hashana - Elul 29

philologos.org/bpr/files/Calendar/5761/12.elul.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-11-14   9:10:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#18)

September 10, 2001 - Moon Occults Saturn

September 12, 2001 - Moon Occults Jupiter

Sounds like astrology to me... You reckon we knew when the moon occulted saturn or jupiter 3000 years ago, or is this something we've been able to figure out because of the aid of devices like telescopes?

I don't doubt that if one checks for such astrological "events" through many years that there can be found examples of concurrence with Holy Days. But if we avoid astrology and keep the Holy Day for it's own accord as we are told to do, then we are NOT practicing something occult.

Anyhow, what does Scripture teach about practicing astrology? I bet you know.

innieway  posted on  2007-11-14   10:44:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: innieway, Itisalmosttoolate (#21)

September 10, 2001 - Moon Occults Saturn

September 12, 2001 - Moon Occults Jupiter

sounds like astrology to me too. [but there is a difference between astronomy, which I think Chilton was basing his interpretation on, and astrology]. Judaism has a lot of astrology in it. My point was to show that September 11, if it indeed was the birth date of Christ, has been taken away for another holocaust [sacrifice by fire] day, and the Day of Trumpets is taken over for the celebration of Hanukah......

speaking of astrology and the occult: back to the Seasons of the MOON - the Tribe of Dan [perhaps the lostest of the Lost Sheep]:

"....There are two views of the world which stand eternally and implacably opposed to each other. One view seeks to place everything in the glare of day. Its understanding is bounded by that which can be dissected on the operating table of science. What cannot be seen does not exist. What cannot be brought into the light is not there. This is a world whose symbol is the sun [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mal/Mal004.html#2 ] that never waxes or wanes. It is always the same unblinking eye of fire. This is the world that wants to murder the night - to turn it into day.

But there is another world - and another people. A people that counts its seasons by the moon. A people who will emerge out of a deep darkness, just like the new moon that seems to renew itself out of a pitch black sky. A people in its darkest hour just before dawn. A people who lifts its gaze above the fluorescent glare of a world that knows no night.

The month of Tevet is the darkest time of the year. Its days are the shortest of the year and its nights the longest. The tribe associated with Tevet is the tribe of Dan. When the Children of Israel traveled and camped in the desert, they encircled the Holy Ark. The tribe of Dan was the most northerly encampment. The North is a dark cold place. The long nights of Tevet are even longer in the North. The Hebrew word for **** North - tzafon - is spelled the same as tzafun - which means **** hidden. ...." [Tribe of Dan KING of the NORTH, perhaps?]

Seasons of the MOON.....

Occult - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The word occult comes from the Latin occultus (clandestine, hidden, secret), referring to "knowledge of the **** hidden". ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occult

[Now I find this article more than a little sad....these are lost people, and they do NOT sound happy, just like the Illuminati...it is said about the Illuminati, in the Bloodlines of the Illuminati, that they are not happy people, either. It is also said in Bloodlines that the author believes they may all be related to the tribe of Dan. These people have been intermarrying for a long time, thinking there is something sacred about their DNA. Most of the time I feel like killing them, but then I read stuff like this, and I want to weep.]

Rev 20:7 ¶ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea. [just the folks who were promised to Abraham]

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/20/9.html

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever........

Now He could be talking about physical fire, and a physical devouring....or He could have meant something else....or when one finally fails....both.

Remember He would sift Israel through the nations, and refine them through fire....think of all the Christians who have died before us....in order that we might have a reformed faith....and yes, you are arguing for the reformed faith, and I appreciate that....but there's a time and a season for everything.....

"devour"

1) to consume by eating, to eat up, devour

a) of birds

b) of a dragon

c) of a man eating up the little book

2) metaph.

a) to devour i.e. squander, waste: substance

b) to devour i.e. forcibly appropriate: widows' property

c) to strip one of his goods

1) to ruin (by the infliction of injuries)

d) by fire, to devour i.e. to utterly consume, destroy

e) of the consumption of the strength of body and mind by strong emotions

Jer 23:29 [Is] not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer [that] breaketh the rock in pieces?

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jer/Jer023.html#29

2Cr 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)

2Cr 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Hbr 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jer/23/29.html

Suppose God's plan was, over a long period of time, to raise up a people who would one day do spiritual battle with the heathens, to turn their "wisdom" into naught, [do search on Chabad: it means "wisdom, understanding, and knowledge"....look up "wisdom, understanding, and knowledge" in Genesis.] and he gathered them together in the last days in the beloved city, the New Jerusalem [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Zec/Zec002.html#4 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa062.html#4 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/62/4.html ], to do it.

[I seem to be arguing for you here, with these passages :) ]

Why not turn this thread into a learning experience that shows God's holy word in contrast to all the things He has fought against for 2,000 years to make us His holy people once again?

I'll defend our right to celebrate Christmas to hold off the demand that we celebrate Hanukah, until we all become one in the knowledge of the Lord. You reveal what the Bible says....What DOES it say about the Feast of Trumpets for instance?

Maybe Itisalmosttoolate can put up that great article on Santa Claus...and maybe people will learn from it all, and use it to instruct others. Maybe the Jews/Kings of the earth will learn something as well: www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa052.html#15

I'll turn it over to you for awhile, if you don't mind, I think, because I have two other threads I'd like to post....one is something I've been trying to put together for days now...but more things have come up and are sort of getting in the way.

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#34. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#28)

You reveal what the Bible says....

That was all I was trying to do regarding the topic of the thread - ie Christmas. Other than that, we're talking about a very BIG project. HOWEVER, I AM working on just such a project (or close - I took on what I considered to be a "challenge" on another thread way back on the validity of Scripture - and which has been coming along much slower than anticipated because of an unforeseen work load). I had every intention of pinging you to it once I post it, as I felt you would be interested. It will be a work of magnitude such that I will be posting it in several "parts".

Basically that it's a Holy Convocation unto us which occurs in the 7th month on the first day of the month, in which we are to do no servile work, and which we are to keep unto all our generations.(This becomes quite complicated in figuring out if one considers that the Hebrew calendar does not coincide with the Gregorian calendar we use today. I'm still trying to ascertain just HOW important this is - but I DO know that the Gregorian calendar involved a "changing of times" which is also prophesied to happen, therefore leading me to think it IS important. But no matter which calendar one uses, it must be remembered that this "changing of times" involved making January the first month as opposed to April which was the first month under God's mandate. Therefore, by the Gregorian calendar the seventh month would be October...)

Much of the possible commentary which I could make on this thread are things which I will be addressing in the future article I mentioned. While I DO feel it's important, perhaps I should just leave it at this for now...

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