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Title: The real party of big government
Source: Orange County Register
URL Source: http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/d ... arty-1920569-national-trillion
Published: Nov 12, 2007
Author: none listed
Post Date: 2007-11-16 12:31:28 by Alan Chapman
Keywords: None
Views: 661
Comments: 50

Soviet dictator Josef Stalin famously said, "One death is a tragedy; a million is a statistic." The same principle – that the public can more easily grasp a small tragedy than a huge one – can be applied to budget matters. Americans can get rightly riled about a public official who misuses several thousand of their hard-earned dollars, but it's harder to get them riled about more massive abuses. A thousand bucks is a tragedy, whereas trillions of dollars are too hard to comprehend, let alone to get angry over.

Well, Americans better learn to get angry soon, given that the federal debt has now hit nine trillion dollars, which is a heck of a lot of money, even by government standards. That debt, which includes obligations such as Treasury bonds, T-bills and T-notes, has soared from $5.6 trillion when George W. Bush took office. The president so far has pushed to increase the debt limit five times during his presidency, making the current debt limit $9.8 trillion. At current trends, especially with the rate of spending to fund the Iraq war, it won't be too long before President Bush is asking to increase that limit again.

When will it stop? The annual budget deficit also is a problem, although $163 billion dollars sounds tiny compared with numbers followed by a dozen zeroes. These numbers reflect an amazing amount of red ink, a testament to the way the federal government continues to grow and to the way politicians – especially Republicans – recognize no bounds to the amount of money the government can borrow and spend. It's ironic that although, rhetorically speaking, the Democratic Party is the party of big government, in reality, the Republican Party at the national level has proved itself to be the true party of bigger and more expensive government.

The Libertarian Party noted, in a statement released Thursday, "It took from George Washington to Ronald Reagan for the national debt to hit the $1 trillion mark – a period of more than 190 years. Now, 27 years later, the national debt has risen more than 800 percent under three Republicans and one Democratic president. However, only $1.2 trillion of national debt was accrued during President Bill Clinton's administration, meaning the bulk of national debt comes from Republican administrations."

It's about time for candidates in the two major parties to stop making promises about how much more of your money they want to spend and start outlining serious plans to rein the deficit and the debt.

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#7. To: ghostdogtxn (#5)

But he WAS fiscally responsible. The most fiscally responsible president we've had since way back in the day.

Clinton's hand was forced. During the brief period in which he had a Democrat Congress to rely on, he was just as spendthrift. Remember the "peace dividend"?

thoughtomator  posted on  2007-11-16   13:57:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: thoughtomator (#4)

The Democratic party doesn't claim to be the party of smaller government.

Alan Chapman  posted on  2007-11-16   14:03:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Alan Chapman (#8)

Nor does the GOP any longer. I cannot recall the last time an empowered GOP figure (not a marginalized one like Ron Paul) actually spoke out in favor of smaller government.

thoughtomator  posted on  2007-11-16   14:11:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: thoughtomator (#4)

They're just two faces of the same beast, whose true name is Leviathan.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-11-16   14:26:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: FOH, Original_Intent, FormerLurker (#6)

Title: Where The REAL Focus Should Be, For This Site, And Others.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-11-16   14:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: thoughtomator (#9)

The phrase "tax and spend" is an inexorable part of Republican political rhetoric, often used when demeaning political opposition. The implication being that "tax and spend" is repudiated by Republicans.

Alan Chapman  posted on  2007-11-16   14:50:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: TwentyTwelve (#11)

6. To: tommythemadartist (#0)

For as much as you all might hate the people who support Ron Paul, they are not your enemy.

If you are not for continuing the war against Islam, we have NOTHING in common.

I'll have to decide whether to vote for Hillary should Paul get the nomination.

Nearly everything else is negotiable. But we are not stopping the war.

DAnconia55 posted on 2007-11-16 13:40:02 ET Reply Trace

The NeoCons would vote for Hitlery first...should tell all you need to know.

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

FOH  posted on  2007-11-16   14:57:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: FOH (#13)

The NeoCons would vote for Hitlery first...should tell all you need to know.

Led by Bush and Julie drag Queen Annie.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-11-16   14:59:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom (#14)

80% of D.C. are quislings...maybe more.

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

FOH  posted on  2007-11-16   15:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: FOH (#13)

If you are not for continuing the war against Islam, we have NOTHING in common.

I'll have to decide whether to vote for Hillary should Paul get the nomination.

Nearly everything else is negotiable. But we are not stopping the war.

DAnconia55 posted on 2007-11-16 13:40:02 ET Reply Trace

What would make this post even more hilarious is if the last part looked like this:

Nearly everything else is negotiable. But we are not stopping the war. Ever.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2007-11-16   15:04:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Vitamin Z, rhino369, ALL (#16)

LOLOL, I agree!!!

Hey Rhino - you da man! Bwahahahahahahaha!

24. To: Aaron (#14)

Ron Paul is an anti-Semitic surrender monkey and it's about time you recognized it, tommythemadartist.

And you called for the mass murder of Ron Paul supporters you sick f**k. I hope you choke on whatever republicans dick you are sucking.

Rhino posted on 2007-11-16 14:33:00 ET Reply Trace

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

FOH  posted on  2007-11-16   15:07:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: FOH (#13)

The NeoCons would vote for Hitlery first...should tell all you need to know.

#58 Byteshredder posted..

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-11-16   15:19:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: FOH (#15)

FOH...

If you paid attention in history class, (cough cough)

When the Communists took over Russia, they gave the Duma until sundown to leave town or be shot.

Perhaps there is a lesson there for us?

Cynicom  posted on  2007-11-16   15:19:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: FOH, X-15, Original_Intent (#17)

#103 Yukon posting

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-11-16   15:38:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: FOH (#13)

DAnconia55 isn't waging war against anyone, only cheerleading from the side.

Alan Chapman  posted on  2007-11-16   15:40:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: TwentyTwelve (#20)

HA! I'm sure they'll be thinking "X-15?? He wasn't that involved on the RP threads!?!" Which makes my banning that much more absurd and revealing about Goldi's fluctuating moods.

The simple expression ‘Suck, Squeeze, Bang and Blow’ is the best way to remember the working cycle of the gas turbine. — Rolls Royce training manual, 2002.

X-15  posted on  2007-11-16   15:43:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#19)

Hmmmm

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

FOH  posted on  2007-11-16   15:46:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: TwentyTwelve (#18)

Buttshredder is a tard that has photoshop...

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

FOH  posted on  2007-11-16   15:47:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Alan Chapman (#21)

That one's a real piece of work...most NAUers are.

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

FOH  posted on  2007-11-16   15:47:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Alan Chapman (#21)

DAnconia55 isn't waging war against anyone, only cheerleading from the side.

I thought he was cheerleading from under his bed, trembling over the Muslims, Feminists and Noam Chomsky posing a threat to life as he knows it.

I guess that's Noamophobia for ya. Obviosuly, with DA's lack of a life he doesn't have to worry about attracting too many women. Methinks he lives at home with mom and treats her like a beer wench. Besides, DA's a busy guy, playing the role of Spammy in his own neo-con gang.

He's all war, all the time, when he doesn't have to head to the front lines.

abraxas  posted on  2007-11-16   15:49:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: FOH (#24)

Buttshredder is a tard that has photoshop...

#85 Trademarked?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-11-16   15:55:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: abraxas (#26)

People who think that lives and limbs are worth sacrificing for empire should be first in line to sacrifice their own. Apparently, they believe that lives and limbs are worth sacrificing but only so long as they belong to somebody else (preferably nameless, faceless strangers).

Alan Chapman  posted on  2007-11-16   16:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: FOH (#6)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-11-16   16:49:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: thoughtomator (#7)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-11-16   16:51:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: ghostdogtxn (#29)

I was not aware that clinton was sponsoring legislation in the House of Reps...

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

FOH  posted on  2007-11-16   16:53:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: FOH (#31)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-11-16   16:58:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: ghostdogtxn (#32)

I did...

Clinton proposes world record $10-trillion budget

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

FOH  posted on  2007-11-16   17:04:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: FOH (#33)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-11-16   17:08:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: ghostdogtxn (#34)

lolol

Unrelated of course, but I just ran across the new-old Hillary Care / projected costs...

Clinton unveils mandatory health care insurance plan CNN

Clinton unveils details of her health care plan USAToday

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

FOH  posted on  2007-11-16   17:13:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: FOH (#35)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-11-16   17:21:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: TwentyTwelve (#27)

DIGG this...

133. To: Byteshredder (#131)

Byteshredder, if you care about Isreal, you should support Ron Paul because he wants to pull U.S. influence out of Isreal. All the U.S. influence has given Isreal in the past 15 years is for Isreal being talked by the U.S. into giving large parts of the Isreal nation to muslim terrorists.

Paul CJ posted on 2007-11-16 17:16:14 ET Reply Trace

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

FOH  posted on  2007-11-16   17:22:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: ghostdogtxn (#36)

::sigh::

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

FOH  posted on  2007-11-16   17:23:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: ghostdogtxn (#36)

Seriously, have you ever needed care in places such as Canada and the UK?

Horrid.

Just wait: EU's CODEX will be the NAU's CODEX - our Health Freedoms/GONE. NAU's Health Care System will look just like Canada and the UK's right now.

Sickening...our strengths as a nation have been gutted.

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

FOH  posted on  2007-11-16   17:26:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: FOH (#39)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-11-16   17:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: FOH (#37)

Title: Ron Paul Campaign Leaning Toward Doing [Prime Time Network TV]

Title: Ron Paul Can't Add, Supporters Don't Care (where is 1 trillion in tax money going to come from?)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-11-16   17:30:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: FOH (#37)

Title: Ron Paul Campaign Leaning Toward Doing [Prime Time Network TV]

Title: Ron Paul Can't Add, Supporters Don't Care (where is 1 trillion in tax money going to come from?)

131. To: Big Meanie, yukon, Goldi-lox (#122)

Wave, there cheering for you at dumb4um BM. What a pack of anti-semitic losers.

Byteshredder posted on 2007-11-16 17:11:39 ET (1 image) Reply Trace

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-11-16   17:32:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: ghostdogtxn (#40)

I've paid and paid myself on occasions where I had an accident on vacation in Europe/UK and Canada - and yet I couldn't always (if ever!) readily find adequate care.

BTW, glad to hear you've prospered!

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

FOH  posted on  2007-11-16   17:36:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: TwentyTwelve (#42)

buttshredder is really not very bright iyam...

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

FOH  posted on  2007-11-16   17:37:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: TwentyTwelve (#42)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-11-16   17:38:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: FOH (#43)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-11-16   17:39:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: TwentyTwelve (#42)

What an ignoramus btw; I hang with born again Christians that love the Lord, pray for Israel (and our brothers/sisters- ingrafted/by adoption) and support Ron Paul/are against the carving up of Israel.

A LOT of them!

The best thing for Israel, and America, is for the people to wake up and to cleanse our nations of the quisling OWMs...

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

FOH  posted on  2007-11-16   17:40:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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