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Title: U.S. Raids Issuer of Ron Paul Coins
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URL Source: http://www.nysun.com/article/66542
Published: Nov 16, 2007
Author: JOSEPH GOLDSTEIN
Post Date: 2007-11-16 16:22:48 by Pinguinite
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Federal agents, in a move that could have an impact on the presidential race, raided the Indiana office of the issuer of a private currency known as the Liberty Dollar — and seized tens of thousands of coins bearing the likeness of a presidential candidate, Rep. Ron Paul. Overall, agents on Wednesday hauled away more than 2 tons of copper coins and 500 pounds of silver coins, as well as records and computers, the founder of the currency system, Bernard von NotHaus, told The New York Sun by phone from Miami. Although not present in Evansville, Ind., for the raid, Mr. von NotHaus said he has been told that the government agents left business cards from the FBI and Secret Service. Neither agency would confirm or deny the raid when contacted by the Sun. RELATED: Libertarians React to the Raid, The Liberty Dollar Web site The raid has the potential to alter the campaign of Mr. Paul, the Republican candidate of Texas whose visage appears on the more than 50,000 seized copper coins, as well as on lesser amounts of gold and silver coins. Mr. Paul is basing his presidential campaign in part on the argument that the federal government has been debasing the dollar. Mr. von NotHaus, a supporter of the presidential candidate, said he put Mr. Paul's image on the dollars to raise attention for the candidate. An eclectic nationwide crew of libertarians and coin enthusiasts exchange the coins. "I thought, 'What can I do for him?'" Mr. von NotHaus said. "I'll do a dollar. It's 1 ounce of pure copper." Yesterday, at the strip mall where Mr. von NotHaus's operation is housed, nearly a dozen Paul supporters carried campaign signs in an apparent protest, a television reporter for the local NBC affiliate, Brandon Bartlett, told the Sun. A spokesman for Mr. Paul's campaign, Jesse Benton, said the campaign wasn't "really paying that much attention" to the raid. "We don't have any official association" to the currency, he added. The reason behind the raid is unclear. The Justice Department's position, according to a year-old consumer alert on the Web site of the United States Mint, is that using Liberty Dollars "as circulating money is a federal crime." Mint officials said the Liberty Dollar looks similar to legal tender, with inscriptions that say, "Trust in God" and "USA." It's not clear, however, what the Justice Department's view is on the legality of possessing the coins for novelty or as protection against the declining value of government notes. Mr. von NotHaus said he suspects the raid is in response to "the competition" his currency poses to the U.S. Mint. His Liberty Dollars, whose value is the price of the coin's metal, have proven a better investment in recent years than government issued notes, whose value has plummeted in relation to the price of gold. "This is an example of Bernanke trying to protect his own nest because he knows it's got holes in it," Mr. von NotHaus said, referring to Ben Bernanke, the chairman of the Federal Reserve. "He can't have something like the Liberty Dollar running around competing with his currency. It points out the fallacy of the fiat monetary system. They had to do something. Their currency is losing and we're going to the moon." Even into this century, long after government notes replaced the private notes of banks, private currency has long been a cause of certain influential figures, such as the economist Friedrich Hayek, a Nobel laureate who died in 1992. So far, about $20 million worth of gold, silver, and copper Liberty Dollars and the accompanying certificates are circulating, Mr. von NotHaus said. Residents of Evansville say Liberty Dollars aren't often seen locally. But there is a national following, which includes some members of the Manhattan Libertarian Party. One member who had a hand in founding the currency, Nicolas Leobold, told the Sun last year that he's spent the Liberty Dollar at several New York locations, including a Gray's Papaya, a bodega near Grand Central Terminal, and a Dunkin' Donuts outlet. With the Liberty Dollar, Mr. von NotHaus seeks to reintroduce the kind of economic debate that Mr. Paul has been nursing for years. When Mr. Paul was a member of the United States Gold Commission, he wrote, with Lewis Lehrman, a famous dissenting opinion in favor of the restoration of a role for gold in the U.S. monetary system. The bearer certificates issued with silver Liberty Dollars say that using the coinage is an exercise of "the bearer's First Amendment right to petition the government for a silver-based currency," Mr. von NotHaus said. Mr. von NotHaus said the raid lasted six hours beginning at 8 a.m. and involved about a dozen agents from the Secret Service and FBI. The local U.S. attorney's office referred all calls to the U.S. attorney for the western district of North Carolina. A spokeswoman there said she could not confirm or deny any raid. An employee at the gun store at the same strip mall as the Liberty Dollar office confirmed that officers had been present Wednesday. "There were guys in uniform and some in suits, and they hauled a bunch of stuff out of there," the employee of Strictly Shooting, who asked not to be identified, said. The Liberty Dollars are but one example of private currencies that have been used in American history. In the 1930s, "wooden nickels" circulated out West. In Michigan, there were so-called wildcat banks in the 1830s that printed paper money without backing by gold or silver reserve. In addition to silver and copper coins, agents seized more than 3 pounds of gold and several ounces of platinum, Mr. von NotHaus said. All that coinage, as well as bearer certificates held at the Evansville office, belonged to purchasers of the currency. In an e-mail message, Mr. von NotHaus urged the owners of the seized currency and seized bearer certificates to file suit against the government. Mr. von NotHaus has already sued government officials for issuing the "consumer alert" against his currency last year. The impact, if any, on Mr. Paul's presidential campaign is difficult to predict. On the one hand, he could be criticized for permitting, if he did permit, his face to be used on a coin whose circulation the U.S. Mint contends is illegal. On the other, the raid could throw into even sharper relief the argument he has been making for sound currency. Videos of Mr. Paul cross-examining Mr. Bernanke in recent congressional hearings have been widely viewed on the Internet.
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#11. To: FOH (#10)
Mukasey is a tool-wielder, not a tool. Bush is a tool. B'nai B'rith has far more power than the CFR.
Read New History I'm interested in doing more research into your comments. Where do you suggest I start? I'm very well versed on the Council on Effedup Relations...
What North American Union?
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Nauthaus has the info posted on the LibertyDollar.org web site now. The warrant was apparently signed Friday last week with a 10 day time limit to execute, so I don't think this is pinnable on one man. At least not him. The beast itself is involved. Certainly there are a lot of individuals in power that that don't like Ron Paul or LD's. It's not just one guy.
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Start here: Glen Lewy Tapped To Lead ADL As National Chairman (Banker and CFR member) The head of the ADL is both a CFR member and one of the heads of B'nai B'rith. He's also a direct employee of the Rothschilds by virtue of his position in the banking world. Now click on my sig re: John Negroponte. He's the Director of National Intelligence, a member of B'nai B'rith and a mass murderer. Let's just take a quick look at the current power structure: Michael Chertoff: Orthodox Jew, member of B'nai B'rith Is it becoming clear yet? The CFR is a middling organization. Real worldly power is in B'nai B'rith. Liberty Dollars were a direct threat to what B'nai B'rith protects.
Read New History You've done good by me...TY for the info. This is my next logical step in understanding.
What North American Union? His ceremony was Wednesday. He's been on the job since last Friday, the day of the warrant. "Mr. Mukasey was officially sworn in last Friday." For petes sake, wake up Neil. You're far too smart to let your conditioning keep occluding your sight.
Read New History Okay then if he's been on the job longer than since Tuesday.... Look, the system is broken. It's not just a case of there being one or two guys taking down the Republic and never has been. The system is broken. Sure there are power brokers but if one is removed, another will simply take his place. Blaming one person isn't going to produce a solution.
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You might also be interested in these gems: "Don't f___ with us, or there is a price you are going to have to pay.": Abe Foxman of B'nai B'rith's Anti-Defamation League (Note the reference to Iran in there from July of 2006) Earliest known reference to the ADL training of American police (1955) ADL: Arab Propaganda Is Injuring Unity of Nation (1956) "Anti-Defamation League Urges District Censors Board" (1914) Historic sketch of B'nai B'rith: Anti-Defamation League (1926) Read New History It's not blame. It's accountability. We need to hold all powers accountable for their crimes. B'nai B'rith is a collective power that ALWAYS skates for their crimes because people aren't willing to break through their own brainwashing to see them for what they are. We all know what an asshole faction the Bush/Cheney axis is. It's all over the press. We never hear squat about these BB members.
Read New History What do you do when elected representatives say one thing, do another and then spend fiat currency (that sure has value as derived when stolen from our labor and creativity) to buy the votes of people who could care less as long as they get theirs? We've been Socialized...
What North American Union? How does the ACLU fit in wrt: B'nB and CFR/Trilats/Bilderbergs?
What North American Union? Didn't Israel NOT want Iraq attacked though?
What North American Union? Whatever you want, I suppose. Or whatever you can. Are you looking for a sure fire cure? No one has that. I'm in Ecuador but that's no utopian freedom paradise either. Has its advantages though, like not funding the war mongering.
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Good question. I'll have to research it. The ACLU has always struck me as a shadow organization that exists to throw people off of the trail. One of my rules of thumb is that whatever Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh bitch about is pure deflection and camoflauge for their bosses.
Read New History The Israeli military junta has always wanted Iraq broken into three states: "1. The idea that all the Arab states should be broken down, by Israel, into small units, occurs again and again in Israeli strategic thinking. For example, Ze'ev Schiff, the military correspondent of Ha'aretz (and probably the most knowledgeable in Israel, on this topic) writes about the "best" that can happen for Israeli interests in Iraq: "The dissolution of Iraq into a Shi'ite state, a Sunni state and the separation of the Kurdish part" (Ha'aretz 6/2/1982). Actually, this aspect of the plan is very old." The Zionist Plan for the Middle East
Read New History Ex-pat?
What North American Union? lolol
What North American Union? Is the shaded area (I have to go back and look at my notes so I'll just ask) the Biblical outline of "The Promised Land" KJV?
What North American Union?
Thanks for posting those docs...
What North American Union? Gen. 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates Edit: This is the Zionist/Christian Zionist excuse for land theft. They forget that Abraham had far more descendants than just Jews.
Read New History My pleasure. Rats like the dark so hopefully this disturbs their dinner :)
Yep, that is correct. There's more of it defined elsewhere; have it in my notes - and it's on my laptop (not with me). I'm not sure the whole shaded area on the map at your link is included in "The Promise Land". Indeed though I see a bit more now of the alleged aims beyond Israel's 1969 post war borders, and of course how MEFTA fits in by virtually eliminating borders there as well. TY!
What North American Union?
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The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
There have been many issuers of currency. Many of these currencies were denominated as dollars. Some were created by companies and others by banking entities. The feds have over reached in my opinion and they must be held accountable. If I had lost money in this deal I'd be dead soon, hopefully having lowered the federal payroll.
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
Excellent point. If these private bank notes were legal in there day, why are LD's not also legal today? All were made available under the same US Constitution, under the same coinage act. Has there been some law passed since these notes circulated that makes LD's illegal?
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They are legal. This isn't about "legal". I think Tommy had a good point the other day. The way the LD has been "promoted" it sort of "competes" with the "only game in town". There's plenty of others minting gold and silver rounds, but THEY aren't being raided. BUT their offerings aren't being "touted" through a network in "competition" with the FRN like LDs. PLUS I think this has something to do with Norfed/LD and the Ron Paul rounds, AND Mukasey's new appointment...
99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. Exactly. MANY more... And that's exactly what happened - a land theft mandated by the UN.
99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. PLUS I think this has something to do with Norfed/LD and the Ron Paul rounds, AND Mukasey's new appointment... Never being one to defend the government however Norfeds problem was calling the unit a "dollar"nothing more its the duty of the Secret Service to defend the "Dollar"Norfed folks had the right idea however they did not know the rules of the game
Ping to Noone's post #37
99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. pure deflection is less effective
"Abe Foxman, my good friend and partner." - John Negroponte
#12. To: JiminyC (#11)
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#13. To: Pinguinite (#0)
#14. To: JiminyC (#9)
LD was robbed the day AFTER Mukasey was sworn into office (Wednesday). The timing is no accident.
#15. To: FOH (#12)
Michael Mukasey: Orthodox Jew, member of B'nai B'rith
Ben Bernanke: Orthodox Jew, member of B'nai B'rith
John Negroponte: Jew, member of B'nai B'rith
"Abe Foxman, my good friend and partner." - John Negroponte
#16. To: JiminyC (#15)
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#17. To: Pinguinite (#14)
"Abe Foxman, my good friend and partner." - John Negroponte
#18. To: JiminyC (#17)
For petes sake, wake up Neil. You're far too smart to let your conditioning keep occluding your sight.
#19. To: FOH, Tauzero, Cynicom, Pinguinite (#16)
Source: New York Times, April 30, 1955
Source: New York Times
Published: Mar 12, 1956
Source: Jewish Reference Book: B'nai B'rith Manual, 1926
"Abe Foxman, my good friend and partner." - John Negroponte
#20. To: Pinguinite (#18)
"Abe Foxman, my good friend and partner." - John Negroponte
#21. To: Pinguinite (#18)
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#22. To: JiminyC (#20)
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#23. To: JiminyC (#19)
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#24. To: FOH (#21)
What do you do when elected representatives say one thing, do another and then spend fiat currency (that sure has value as derived when stolen from our labor and creativity) to buy the votes of people who could care less as long as they get theirs?
#25. To: FOH (#22)
"Abe Foxman, my good friend and partner." - John Negroponte
#26. To: FOH (#23)
"Abe Foxman, my good friend and partner." - John Negroponte
#27. To: Pinguinite (#24)
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#28. To: JiminyC (#25)
One of my rules of thumb is that whatever Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh bitch about is pure deflection and camoflauge for their bosses.
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#29. To: JiminyC (#26)
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#31. To: Jethro Tull (#30)
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#32. To: FOH (#29)
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"Abe Foxman, my good friend and partner." - John Negroponte
#33. To: FOH (#31)
#34. To: JiminyC (#32)
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#35. To: Jethro Tull, Pinguinite, JiminyC (#33)
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#36. To: Pinguinite (#8)
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#39. To: noone222 (#38)
#40. To: Pinguinite (#39)
If these private bank notes were legal in there day, why are LD's not also legal today?
Steven Wright
#41. To: JiminyC (#32)
Edit: This is the Zionist/Christian Zionist excuse for land theft. They forget that Abraham had far more descendants than just Jews.
Steven Wright
#42. To: innieway (#40)
#43. To: robnoel (#42)
Norfeds problem was calling the unit a "dollar"nothing more
Steven Wright
#44. To: JiminyC (#25)
pure deflection
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#45. To: robnoel (#42)
Denominating them in dollars is the one sticky point when it comes to the valuations. One ounce silver was called 10 dollars until Nov 2005, after which a spot price was hit triggering a revaluation of one ounce = 20 dollars. That sudden change is not something that can work too well when people are trying to negotiate values of the coins compared to just denominating the coins by their actual silver content, but denominating in dollars also makes it simpler to educate the masses when they are used for an information campaign. And while a 20 FRN greenback can buy more silver than a $20 LD, a $20 LD still has more silver in it than a 20 FRN greenback. If LD loses, the idea can still work if eagles are used instead of LD's for the coins, except the "wrong" face value of eagles would make an education campaign more difficult.
Never being one to defend the government however Norfeds problem was calling the unit a "dollar"nothing more its the duty of the Secret Service to defend the "Dollar"Norfed folks had the right idea however they did not know the rules of the game
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#46. To: Pinguinite, ALL (#45)
FBI Raids Liberty Dollar US Mint - Paper is legal (Click to View PDF) Search Warrent (Click to View PDF) Seizure Warrent (Click to View PDF) Agent Information (Click to View PDF) Friday, November 16, 2007: Make no mistake, the FBI and Secret Service raid on the Liberty Dollar at 8:00 AM on Wednesday, was a direct assault against the US Constitution and your right to own and use gold and silver in any way you chose. I personally spoke to FBI agent Andrew Romagnuolo shortly after he and his gang invaded the peaceful home of the Liberty Dollar. He told me that the raid was related to the US Mint's warning and the beginning of a criminal investigation. This is the first battle of a long war that I intend to win! Please note the Search Warrant, Seizure Warrant and Agent info is now posted. Click HERE for that info. If that link does not work the URL is: http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/raid.htm. Also posted is the correspondence between US Senator Bill Nelson of Florida and Edmond C Moy, Director of the US Mint. Of particular interest is Moy's statement that the paper Certificates are not covered by the Title 18, Section 486 and hence legal. So there was no need to raid Sunshine Mint and confiscate all the gold and silver that backs the paper and digital currencies. No need, unless the government knew their 486 case didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning and needed to expand their case into the never-never land of mail fraud, wire fraud and money laundering as mentioned in the Seizure Warrant. I anticipate being arrested on any one or all of these charges. But I see my arrest and trial as a golden opportunity to win and return our great country to a value based currency. I sincerely believe that the right creative marketer could orchestrate an effective counter attack and win big. I believe the Liberty Dollar will win and become one of the great institutions in America. I have devoted the past ten year to the Liberty Dollar and am willing to risk a few years in federal prison to vindicate it. Winning is certainly possible, even probable with your help. Winning will require good, dedicated legal support and your support. First, if you are angry and resent the government's assault on your right to own and use gold as you please then call the agents and express your displeasure of their actions in a polite way. Don't kill the messenger, just tell them they are wrong. Add your voice to this movement. Second: If you are owed an order and want to get your money back or have paper certificates or digital Liberty Dollars, I urge you to demand redemption or the return of your money by joining the Class Action Lawsuit. Your participation is absolutely critical. If you don't join the CAL you will not get your money back. Please click HERE to sign up for the Class Action Lawsuit. If that link does not work, the URL is: Third: A Legal Defense Fund will be established very soon. Its purpose is to win the criminal case and get your money back. It will take money to make it successful. So your contribution is also critical. Please don't let the government steal your money. So if you have an existing order, want to redeem your paper Certificates or digital Liberty Dollars, please join the fight to defend our right to own and use gold as you so chose and sign up for the Class Action Lawsuit. This is the only way you will get your stolen property back. If you have no standing and want to finally get involved, no problem. There is still $20 million Liberty Dollars in circulation. Simply get some paper Liberty Dollars and sign up for the Class Action Lawsuit. There is still time for all the thick-headed Lewrockwellites, Markskousenites, Dougcaseyites and Agoraites to pull your head out and get 'right' on this important issue. I regret to inform you that the Liberty Dollar office is now closed. The government boys took everything except for the desks and chairs. We have no stock, no records, no money. I can't even change the phone message because they took the phone manuals. Nor can I answer the thousands of email and calls from a national organization that now numbers into the hundreds of thousands. I am the last man standing. I need your help. Thank you for your many offers of help. Now is the time for us to help our selves and our great country as it faces the greatest monetary challenge since the Revolutionary War. Buying gold and silver is good for you, but it will not solve our country's problems. Government requires participation. The problems we have today are because our parents did not participate. Please keep using the Liberty Dollar. Keep the ideals and benefits of real money alive. Gold and silver is going to be very rewarding as the US dollar disintegrates. Please join the Class Action Lawsuit and give something to the Legal Defense Fund when it is established. But you don't have to wait. Donations can be sent to the old address as the mail is now being forwarded. Of course we will still accept Liberty Dollars, but unfortunately due to the current situation, the attorneys require those dreaded depreciating US dollars. Please make your check or money order out to me as there is no other bank account and mail it to: Liberty Dollar, 225 N. Stockwell Road. Evansville. Indiana. 47715. Now is the time to band together and support our fight for value based currency as never before. Now is the time to throw off the yoke of a manipulated monetary/tax system and generate a peaceful and prosperous society. Thank you, thank you, thank you for your offer of help, prayers and support. God bless you and our great country! Bernard von NotHaushttp://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/raid.htm
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What North American Union?
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#47. To: FOH (#46)
My understanding is that NORFED filed suit against the US mint a while ago, charging that NORFEDs money had been defamed by the US mint, after NORFED issued coins saying "1/2 Oz silver" together with "$10" on one side, and "USA" on the other, at a time when 1/2 Oz of silver is worth less than $8. Hopefully someone will help me out by explaining what actually happened if I'm wrong about any of this.
#48. To: innieway (#40)
I think this is an OBVIOUS illegal economic attack on the "patriot" community intended to provoke a physical response. (And it should). This interference with private people's ability to trade privately and upon terms agreeable to them is contrary to all things American. This is an economic WACO. This is nothing less than a blatant in your face provocation by the feds ... they are saying "fuck you pussies, what are you gonna do about it" ! The truth is that we're taught (brainwashed) certain rules. Those rules always include working within the system. Those rules only apply to us and as soon as it starts to look favorable for our side the rules are ignored or thrown out the window. Then some 80 I.Q. moron in uniform is instructed by some psychopathic Jew to attack his own neighbor with guns, tasers or tanks. It's time to develop a plan to put a halt to this shit. We need to seriously consider that the PTB have always been at war with our kind (normal people). Get it, we are in a war, we are being attacked daily, our families are not safe, our country has been taken over and we are being murdered and killed by a million cuts. How long must we patiently take this shit from a bunch of deviant queers and paedophiles ? Bullies will continue to shove their lessers around until the cost of doing so is serious enough to deter it. There are no bad targets in a fascist state. All major Corporations, Churches, Media, Government Offices, and their toadies/families are legitimate enemies and targets. This event was and is as serious in its message to the general public as was the attack on WACO, Ruby Ridge, the Kennedy murder and WTC II. These criminal motherfuckers are insane, have lots of power, and intend to reduce us to peonic servitude or death. They are being exposed and millions of people are waking from their comatose state. They are paranoid and will do ANYTHING to preserve their authority and domination over us.
PLUS I think this has something to do with Norfed/LD and the Ron Paul rounds, AND Mukasey's new appointment...
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
#49. To: Pinguinite (#45)
The arbitrariness in denominating the "value" of liberty dollars is a direct reaction to the Federal Reserve currency's depreciation on the world market and has nothing to do with NORFED. The FRN is a private currency JUST LIKE NORFED'S. The only thing affording the FRN protection is our criminal congress that has borrowed us into bankruptcy causing the depreciation of the unbacked fiat currency that they create out of thin air. [These same CON-gress creeps have been filling their own bank accounts by authorizing expenditures to companies they or their family members own]. The Federal Reserve Act was in effect a blank check for criminals in congress to cash at the expense of the people/taxpayers. Suckers, we've been played for fucking chumps for nearly a hundred years. We have given them the ability to build huge armies to murder us if we revolt. They're trying to tell us that we don't have any options or choices related to our currency. They're telling us that even though we've discovered them stealing our wealth and future that now we must just shut the fuck up and like it. The hidden fact that FRN's are private commercial paper being utilized to transfer the national wealth into the coffers of private international bankers is not commonly understood. [The Freemen of Montana were attacked for the same basic reason.] Congress NEVER had authority to privatize or give a monopoly over the currency to the international banking elite. NEVER !!! They only had authority to regulate the value of coinage/currency that the U.S. Govt. created ... not give authority to Jew Bankers working for the Rothschilds of Europe. Haven't you ever wondered how the richest nation on earth that is so blessed with natural resources and has the most inventive and industrious people can be the largest debtor on earth ? We're fucking bankrupt because congress and the international banking elite have skimmed our wealth through the federal reserve banking system.
Denominating them in dollars is the one sticky point when it comes to the valuations. One ounce silver was called 10 dollars until Nov 2005, after which a spot price was hit triggering a revaluation of one ounce = 20 dollars.
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
#50. To: noone222 (#49)
Actually, no. Article I, Section 8, Clause 5 The Congress shall have Power: Foreign coin (notably Mexican dollars/pesos/8 reales) was legal tender until 1857. It was legal to coin silver privately until 1853 (when the silver content of US coins dropped below that of the silver dollar -- i.e., a silver dollar remained at .7736 ounces of silver, but 2 half dollars became .7236 ounces of silver). Private gold coins were produced as late as 1882. The US government regulated (and permitted the issuance of) banknotes by national banks from 1865-1935. Before that, the states had oversight over the the issuance of banknotes within the state (except, presumably, the First and Second Banks of the US). Thus, the US had the constitutional authority (which it exercised) to regulate far more than just the money which it created.
hey only had authority to regulate the value of coinage/currency that the U.S. Govt. created
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
#51. To: DeaconBenjamin (#50)
I stand corrected. However, the actions taken by the fed are theft. We have a group of bankers depreciating our money and telling us to like it. [Maybe that's related to the 14th Amendment provision denying US citizens the right to question the debt.
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
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