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Published: Nov 17, 2007
Author: Glenn Beck
Post Date: 2007-11-17 10:00:04 by robin
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#145. To: Jethro Tull (#136)
Yawn. It is so funny how you stoop to the neocon and reich winger charge of "leftism" just as if you were only a step removed from them . . . oh right- you are.
I didn't say it was common, I was just countering your nonsense about how every culture is perfect except ours. If you bothered to continue reading my post you would have seen that I'm sick of the muslim bashing myself, and only said it to show how silly you are.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
His stance is squarely based upon the Koran and ME history. Your "reich" type slurs continue. Beheadings, female abuse, bomb strapping mad folk and leadership of nations based on on an individuals' memorization of the Koran and Hadith require little in the way of "extrapolation". Muslim apologists .... now there's a strain.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
Pat Robertson supports Rudy Julie Annie. Ted Haggard enjoys smoking meth with gay prostitutes. Thus, all Christians must be meth smoking gays who support Julie Annie.
Of course I never said every culture is perfect but ours. But it does indeed seem to be the particular practice of Americans to take the worst aspects of foreign cultures and magnify them to the point that that is all they all- pure evil. While at the same time Americans get insane with rage if you dare criticize their culture in any way. You want to know what is pathetic? It is Americans who are so delusional that they see a few humble muslim women in their head scarves as more of a threat to them than the legions of swaggering illeterate man apes with vocabularies that don't surpass 2000 words that infest this country- home grown. I don't worry about Habib and Habibiteetee. They don't concern my. They are not the ones who are responsible for my liberty and wealth being drained away. Who is? Stupid infantalized cowardly "America" that is who is responsible.
The European experiences (including Britain) along with the 19 arabs on 9/11, along with beheadings by children appear to have come in one ear and gone out the other. No big thing considering the vacuum in between.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
Thanks for proving my point. We are done- I don't truck with dopes. Go to back to El Pee and pee your pants over there with the rest of the Muslim hate mongers.
Yes- thank you for pointing out that debate winning point that Muslims are human.
If you call me a fucking idiot I tend to get a little pissy - go figure. I personally don't give a rats how muslims dress or how they behave unless it affects me directly. What does piss me off is this constant "Celebrate Multicultural Diversity" social engineering coming from the cultural elites. Many people lie the culture they were raised in, as attested to by Muslims continuing to wear their tradition garb after emigrating to the west. To me, "Promoting Cultural Diversity" is just a PC way of saying "There are too many damned white people, and we aim to change that".
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Americans are human beings and subject to indoctrination the same as any other human on earth. It's nothing that rational leadership over a substantial amount of time won't cure. Frustrated badmouthing of fellow citizens and promotion of Balkanization is not the answer.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
I think Final Authority is MadIvan. I say that because they both like to use the term pigphucker to describe those who are against the war.
How specifically have you been forced to "Celebrate Multi-whatever diversity"? Huh? Now if you are talking about legal nonesense stopping a town from putting up a creche on the commons on Christmas- I am all with you. That is nonesense. But that aint't the fault of some Muslim fresh off the boat. And the Muslims the ACLU does get to launch some suit are just doing what all Americans are encouraged to do- play the victim. It ain't the Muslims who are to blame for that either. They are being used for the larger purpose of eroding community and locality and replacing civil society with just . . . the federal government. Instead of allowing people to work out and accomodate their differences on their own (like ethnic groups in this country had to do 50 years ago)- the Federal Governments demands it be the arbitraitor. It insinuates itself between groups as the judge and jury. And the result is what you express . . . resentment and distrust. And the effect of the Federal government promoting "diversity" is actually to promote balkinization (which is the goal so they can have jobs forever in the "diversity field.") The point is- you have the wrong bad guy. It isn't Ali and Apu who are to blame. It is the government that seeks to be the middle man between us that is to blame.
Never denied it. But that does not make them candidates for forced conversion to the "democratic" wet dream of a half-witted born-again drunk. Leave them alone ...... a few centuries or so of benign neglect by the all- knowing western powers and we might be surprised by what God has wrought. But pretending that they are not presently a scary bunch of ill-educated victims with seriously medieval doctrines is beyond madness, and thinking they can make that leap by a pollyannish open door policy is grand delusion.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
You are saying damned near the same thing I did, what's the problem? As far as your first question, there are constant calls from mass media, academia, and government to "celebrate diversity". A couple months ago one of our city council members was yammering on public access TV about how my neighborhood needed to be more diverse, and they planned on giving tax credits for minority families to move here. They must have meant Mexicans, because this neighborhood is already about 40% black. I think what he was really wanting wanting was removal of blacks from some of the neighborhoods downtown so his rich white buddies could have a shorter drive to work and not be forced to live around "those horrible negroes". If he wants more "diversity", he's always free to move his sorry ass to The Meadows.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
I found this photo today at truthaction.org http://truthaction.org/ss/popup.php? src=albums/111107/hr/111107LA-10.jpg&w=800&h=532&title=111107LA-10.jpg
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him" And you remain a pompous Boston fag, one minority mugging away from reality. May the fleas from Sahib’s camel infest your armpits and short curly ones.
And then, when the race riot erupts between blacks and Mexicans as a result of the resentment and distrust these social engineering schemes produced- that same talking head politicain or bureaucrat will come on teevee (with no one pointing at him as the blame at all) and tell us how we need more of the same race based solutions - like "hate crime" laws.
You came so close there, but PC kept you from hitting the bull's eye.
If you're talking short term, of course we should honor our agreements. I don't think it would take 10 years to pump enough oil down from Prudhoe bay and drill in the Everglades. That could be done in months. A multi-pronged investment in becoming self-sufficient and independent of ME oil within the next 10 years is the way to go in my opinion. I agree. I'm disappointed in the Bush administration's promise to research fuel cell technologies. They've been so preoccupied with this high-tech war that they've been unable to deliver on those commitments.
I'm not. While I tend to agree with Ron Paul that federal attention to religion and race are collectivist, I also think it is collectivist to engage in blatant social engineering by meshing new cultures into ours without respite. Given several generations, the cultures we've assembled here in America today starting around the time of WW1 and increasing after the 1965 Immigration Act (which went hand in hand with the Civil Rights Act) would assimilate. Right now I think we're at the limits of what this 100 year laboratory experiment can sustain. Crime statistics and the increasing loss of English as our exclusive language should be indicators of this. The ruling elite thinks otherwise, and I see that you do, too. I'm just not in agreement here. I speak out against it when asked. Once here, all human beings are my brothers and sisters. Before inviting them, I'd like to set some strict limits. It takes measurable time and financial resources to integrate newcomers. We have encountered limits and we're exceeding them now. In the interest of the common good, and the success of those already here, it's time to stop most immigration for a while. Ron Paul does not agree with me here, and I still support him for President. In all of this, the common enemy is tyrannical powers held by government in gross violation of our Constitution. But failure to close our borders and the wholesale import of third world peoples into our society are reflections of that loss of representation. We are and will be paying more and more for this.
Kind of like Kieth Olbermann. adding: PC or something else. adding more: Burkeman1 bozo'ed me about 2 years ago on this forum because I had the audacity to MENTION the Protocols of Zion. I reciprocated and it remains to this day..
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For those that equate Rabbis to Imams .... and other such drollery My next to last word on the matter
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
Last word, the accompanying editorial: Article published Tuesday, November 20, 2007 Your petro-dollars at work STRAIGHT from the news pages, here’s a case of Middle Eastern justice that ought to be pondered by Americans as they fill up their cars with gasoline made from Saudi Arabian oil. After being raped about 18 months ago, a Saudi woman was sentenced to 90 lashes for having been sitting in a car with an unrelated man when she was kidnapped and assaulted. When the woman’s lawyer appealed and complained publicly about the severity of the sentence, the court increased the penalty to 200 lashes. And added six months in jail. That’s right. Under the Saudi legal code, based on a strict version of Islamic law known as Wahhabism, female victims of crime are punished along with the real offenders, in this case a band of seven men. This woman’s crime, although we are loathe to dignify use of that word, was meeting privately with a man who was not her husband or a family member. Her lawyer’s offense was pointing out the injustice, which the court then turned against the victim by increasing her punishment. We shouldn’t have to point out — but we will anyway — that the raw barbarism and misogyny represented in this case are abhorrent to and incompatible with virtually every precept of modern Western thought and ideals, especially when masquerading as a foundation for law that governs the everyday life of human beings. The fact that the United States, which gets at least 15 percent of its oil from Saudi Arabia, indirectly subsidizes and perpetuates these cruel practices under the repressive Saudi government only makes them more repugnant. The woman in question was 19 when she was raped, reportedly by a gang of men, who kidnapped her from a car where she was talking to a former boyfriend about return of some photographs. She and the ex-boyfriend, who also was sexually assaulted, originally were sentenced to 90 lashes each, harsh even by the standards of Saudi courts, which legal sources say typically prescribe 60 to 80 lashes for adultery. But adultery was not alleged. As for the attackers, the New York Times reported that their sentences ranged from ten months to five years and 80 to 1,000 lashes. Their prison terms also were lengthened after the case went public. Not surprisingly, further public comment on the case has been muted inside Saudi Arabia. The tribal kingdom does not pretend to be a democracy and the medieval treatment of women in its society is well known. But we’d be remiss if we failed to point out that the leaders of a nation with a system of justice that countenances such cruel and unusual punishments should not be surprised when westerners categorize them as uncivilized and culturally backward. The American people, meanwhile, are caught between distaste for anti-democratic governments abroad and their own nation’s shameful reliance on imported oil, much of it from the Middle East, for transportation. Perhaps such policy failures would be more meaningful if motorists, the next time they fill up their gas tank, would envision a woman barely in her 20s facing 200 lashes for no crime at all. That’s the way American petro-dollars are being put to work in some of the darker corners of the world.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
When the non-profits get finished with this country, we're going to look just as savage.
You think anytime there's blacks or mexicans there's gonna be a riot? And even if it were so, which it isn't, why would I want to live in a neighborhood subject to such tension?
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
iconoclast: For those that equate Rabbis to Imams .... and other such drollery I don't appreciate your telling lies about what I have said. The above quote of mine followed by your "interpretation" of what I stated are miles apart. What is it that you do not understand about what I stated? Fact #1: Sharia law regarding civil family disputes was practised in Canada informally for a decade or more. There was no stoning of women in the course of those years. Fact #2: A Muslim organisation and its lawyer wanted Sharia law to be formally recognized for its use in family legal arbitration matters. Fact #3: Fyi, Ontario's Arbitration Act permited religious groups to settle family matters. Fact #4: B'nai Brith Canada endorsed the idea and submitted an amicus brief in that regard to the provincial government. "We have tried to reduce the hype around the proposal to implement sharia law tribunals in Ontario. Sharia-based courts will not bring the Taliban to Canada," said John Syrtash, a family lawyer with B'nai Brith...The Canadian Jewish Congress says it is neither favours nor opposes sharia-based tribunals." Thursday, September 9, 2004 - Page A8 The Globe and Mail "B'nai Brith recommends sharia-based tribunals" by Maria Jiminez Conclusion: Therefore, if you want to have a hissy fit with the person or organization that "puts Rabbis at the same level as Imams," then take your fight to the B'nai Brith of Canada, sir, and to John Syrtash who was B'nai Brith's legal representative at the time the discussion was underway. Furthermore you can contact the CJC and mutter at them for remaining neutral in the face of such "evil" as Sharia law. P.S. You might want to look up Beit Den to see how progressive and women- friendly it is. Hint - the Jewish court has 3 MALES adjudicating civil legal matters relating to divorce and child custody.
That’s the way American petro-dollars are being put to work in some of the darker corners of the world. And should we all begin fueling our cars with tsk, tsk, tsk instead of gasoline? No one - including the opinion editor or the likes of you - have ever been in the least way concerned about Saudi Arabian women until now. Surely the Saudis were known to be authoritarian chauvanistic punks before today's incident, yes? And you and your fellow travellers went along all these years without shedding narry a tear for those pooooor down-trodden Saudi women, yes? Sorry but your "concern" about Sharia law in Saudi Arabia is approx. 50 years too late and not heartfelt whatsoever.
This red herring reminds me of the crap we were fed about babies having their heads crushed by Iraqis in Kuwait ... (all of a sudden we're supposed to be enraged by an incident that by itself pales by comparison to what we're doing to others).
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
It's not a red herring to be concerned with immigration from such countries. We're Balkanizing America.
My reference was to the sharia law and 200 lashes for the rape victim ... that was being discussed on every talk radio program yesterday.
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
I'm not much for talk radio, although I sometimes hear a few minutes of it no more than 2-3 days a week. I missed that. In any case, Canada has adopted a system allowing Sharia to arbitrate certain legal disputes for Muslim communities. Some Islamics living here have said we should adopt it completely. The more of these third world people we immigrate into the USA, the more likely they will begin influencing our social structures. I think it's already gone way too far. I blame the NeoCons for that.
I am in complete agreement with you. I don't know that we can ascribe guilt to any one group even though at the moment the neo-cons seem to have much influence in the current administration ... for the most part they're all (D.C. Politicos) selling us and the country out.
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
The non-profit foundations have been pushing multi-culturalism very effectively, especially through education and public media. Also, I've never seen so many head scarves and mosques since before 2000. There's been an explosion of Islam in this country since George W. Bush took office.
After Gulf War I many (3500-4000) Iraqi Red Guard were allowed (assisted) in moving to America by George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton. It's my opinion that these people have been used in some instances as contract agents of a rogue element of the CIA under Bush.
If 1000 people formed a corporation, let's call it FORD, could they make us buy a PINTO ? How is it then that a similar group could form a STATE and force us to buy their bullshit ?
Well, unless you first direct your concerns to the women of this nation and their affection for abortion, we need immigration to replace ourselves. Right now - were it not for the Hispanics who are having multiple babies aplenty - we would be in the same dying on the vine boat as Europe and Russia. However as I have stated before I think we should repeal that nonsensical family re-unification immigration policy and go back to immigration to support economic needs of our nation of the time. And you know, "such" Muslim countries often have their own intelligensia - at least before we have them snuffed by the DOD in a war for lies. I don't think we should ignore our nation's immigration needs for some broadbrush fear about Islamofascism. Currently I have 2 physicians who are Muslims and they are very impressive. One is a Lebanese Sunni and the other is an Iranian Shia. Their wives work as well - they are not lashed to poles in the house. One is an artist and the other is a nurse. Btw, most Lebanese are tri-lingual - Arabic, English, and French. Can you say the same about our American schooled dumdums who can barely master English? Did you know that Iran has universities, institutes of technology, as well as med schools? And that in Iran you actually need to take a 1 year college prep year after earning a high school diploma and then sit for and pass a university entrance exam before being admitted to any of the higher education fields. Unlike us who push every jack ass to attend college thus lowering the value of our college degrees, Iran actually has their colleges educate only people who can demonstrated scholastic apptitude. The National Organization for Development of Exceptional Talents (NODET), also known as SAMPAD maintains Middle and High Schools in Iran - for gifted children. Just because Iran is Muslim one should not assume it is anti-intellectual or 6th century barbaric. My point in all of this is that Muslim college graduates are not "slur" as another poster opined and in fact Muslim college graduates may be better schooled and skilled than our own AA punks whom we promote from K to PhD's through our "no fail" educational programs. Yes, our government is balkanizing new immigrants, perhaps purposely so. Separateness is the antithesis of unity. Personally I don't care if new immigrants wear scarves on their head or saris as long as they speak English in public places and they are making contibutions ( as opposed to being taxpayer burdens) to this nation's development and competitiveness on the world's stage.
Bingo, noone, you win the prize! After all these years of doing business with the House of Saaa-ooo-ddd as well as Turkey Kuwait etc - why is it, buckeye, that suddenly we hear so much on MSM and talk shows about the perils of sharia law and how poor Muslim women are being treated? Let me enhance the clue that noone gave you earlier - I-R-A-N. The demonization of Muslims is being racheted up bigtime recently because the American sheeple are tired of ME wars for lies. So the neocons need to whip up fury and fear and since they have spent most of their Clean Break wad on Iraq and Syria - none of which has been too successful ( understatement) - what war baiting card do the neoziocons have left but ye old Sharia law/barbaric Muslims. Be my guest if you want to stay awake at night worrying about President Ahmadinejad or the Saudi Princes coming to your home at night and outfitting your loved ones in burkas and giving them 200 lashes for fun sport - but as for me, I will sleep soundly and not worry about "Islamofacism" taking over our country. I'm more worried about neo-zio-con-lib-ism taking our our country. And frankly I think my fears are more realistic.
You really should spend more time reading history. We can learn much about the present by knowing what was a successful solution to similar problems in the past. Of course Anaximenes rebutted: Both are true looked at in the right way. History repeats, but never are the players exactly the same or the situations absolutely identical. There is a lot in your post I could comment on but I'll restrict it to just the points I find most important at the moment. Of course the question is do we want a continually expanding population? While I don't support the eugenics crowd and their desire to kill off large segments of the population to fit their psychotic world view I don't see a natural reduction an evil. One of the things which inspired innovation in the 13 Colonies was insufficient labor and so innovation and invention was the response. It expanded our country's productivity rapidly and made more efficient use of available labor. Slave societies don't innovate. In the long run the decay and decline. Were it not for the influx of illegal immigrants then invention and innovation would be the order of the day. What you are suggesting, indirectly, in your argument is that a slave society is superior to a free society. I would hope that is not your intent. While I am an advocate of learning more than one language multi-lingualism is not relevant to our current situation. The Balkanization we are experiencing is not just because of language but because of the invasion of a foreign culture. Lebanon, despite religious differences, is one cultural group with common ground exceeding those religious and tribal differences. The invasion from south of the border is disrupting OUR culture of liberty by injecting large numbers of people who come from a culture in which subservience to a "strong-man" is the accepted norm rather than our tradition of individual liberty and a government subservient to the people. The intentional sabotage of education in America is resulting mis-educated and undereducated students. It is not that they are stupid, although they behave that way, but that the school system has been intentionally dumbed down. See Charlotte Iserbyt's book The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America. There is no perhaps about it. This balkinization is a large scale manipulation to keep us apart and from achieving a common ground and agreement. It is as old as the dictum: "Divide and conquer". By keeping us at each others throats over superficial difference, by creating an inability to communicate common concerns and exacerbating the gulf created by different languages, by encouraging the existence of isolated enclaves, it makes US more vulnerable. Our greatest strength is meeting upon the common ground of liberty which all good men, and women, cherish. One of our great strengths is that we that we have had is a common language which facilitates communication. As well English, for all its faults of grammar and exceptions, is the largest and most expressive human language in common and regular use. I recall a French commentator lamenting that we have synonyms for everything in multiples. The ability to speak and COMMUNICATE in a common tongue cannot have its importance overstated.
"How many surrealists does it take to screw in a light bulb? One to hold the giraffe and one to fill the bathtub with brightly colored power tools." - Unk.
b. Of course the question is do we want a continually expanding population? c. While I am an advocate of learning more than one language multi-lingualism is not relevant to our current situation. The Balkanization we are experiencing is not just because of language but because of the invasion of a foreign culture. Lebanon, despite religious differences, is one cultural group with common ground exceeding those religious and tribal differences. The invasion from south of the border is disrupting OUR culture of liberty by injecting large numbers of people who come from a culture in which subservience to a "strong-man" is the accepted norm rather than our tradition of individual liberty and a government subservient to the people. d. The intentional sabotage of education in America is resulting mis-educated and undereducated students. It is not that they are stupid, although they behave that way, but that the school system has been intentionally dumbed down. e. The ability to speak and COMMUNICATE in a common tongue cannot have its importance overstated. a. I would suggest a retrospective/historical review of my posts here relating to immigration - both legal and illegal - so history could teach you what my position is. b. I never suggested ever expanding immigration policies. In fact I have suggested that immigration policies should relate to the needs of our nation at the time. I have specifically stated that the 1965 family reunification "reform" immigration policies should be over turned and that we should return to previous policies that were based on the nation's economic needs. c. My quote about Lebanese knowledge of 3 languages was in response to posters who opined earlier on this thread that Muslim cultures were caught in 6th century barbarism and that they should be shut out from our shores so they could die in their "oil and vomit" - a broad brush stroke of racism and bigtory was used on this thread to suggest that Muslims were a dark and eeevil and primitive force on our oh-so refined and hi-brow American culture. My responses to these arrogant and close-minded ( IMHO) remarks was to point out that Muslims as a whole should not be pigeon-holed - that I personally knew of 2 MD's representing Arab and Iranian cultures and that these men were very smart and sophisticated ( being fluent in 3 languages is usually a mark of good education) and that Muslims can actually be contributing members of Western society. I've always spoken out against the "invasion" from the South of unskilled labor who come here holus bolus and who are La Raza's foot soldiers to claim southern states for Greater Azetlan. You have no disagreement from me in that regard. In fact, even on this thread I've remarked that our American "culture" is far more threatened by masses of illegal Hispanics who care not to assimilate - ever- than the paltry numbers of Muslim immigrants ( some posters refer to them as Islamofascists) who have come to America, in the main legally. d. The intentional dumbing down of education stateside is a well known fact. But if education were not dumbed down and AA were not implemented in America how would we attain equitable representation of certain ethnicities and genders in professional fields like medicine, law, engineering? This nation as a whole has accepted social engineering instead of meritocracy - education is but one agent of this venture - I don't think you can blame educators alone for the final results we see in our malls representing 'Merikan culture. ie. we have quite a few dumb bunnies/stupidos here but we refuse to accept that fact e. I don't disagree with you at all. One of the best things the British left with their former colonies was the British education system and the opportunity for their colonies to learn to speak communicate in English. In fact I've said previously that I don't care if immigrants wear saris or scarves but if they speak English in public and bring skills to help America's future development and competitiveness, from my point of view they are welcome additions here. You can't deny that 40 Million abortions has led to this frenzied pro- immigration stance of our politicians. We do need to replace ourselves if for nothing else but to pay for the benefits/entitlements promised to older age groups. But my point is that we do so with immigrants who have special skills that our country needs at any given time and that Muslims should not be automatically shut out of the potential immigration pool for irrational fears about Islamofascism taking over our nation.
Never mind that. What about the embarassment of having a President who hasn't mastered the English language?
My only problem is with the adherents of the pseudo-religion dba "Islam" want to murder people instead of just taking on the governments they say they have disagreements with... I openly admit that I don't like the NeoCon OWMs, I don't like the World Commie OWMs nor do I like the Vatican OWMs, the Jesuit OWMs, the Hebrew OWMs or the Mohamedan OWMs... My desire is that those Americans involved in treason turn from their ways.
What North American Union? Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
At Thanksgiving, I always think of this quote. "You're working hard to put food on your family." -Presidential candidate George W. Bush, Nashua, N.H., Jan. 27, 2000 --------------------------------------------------- Here are a few new ones. "We're going to -- we'll be sending a person on the ground there pretty soon to help implement the malaria initiative, and that initiative will mean spreading nets and insecticides throughout the country so that we can see a reduction in death of young children that -- a death that we can cure." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Oct. 18, 2007 "All I can tell you is when the governor calls, I answer his phone." --George W. Bush, San Diego, Calif., Oct. 25, 2007 "My hearts are with the Jeffcoats right now, that's what I'm thinking." -- George W. Bush, after meeting with California wildfire victims Kendra and Jay Jeffcoat, San Diego, Calif., Oct. 25, 2007 "I fully understand those who say you can't win this thing militarily. That's exactly what the United States military says, that you can't win this military." --George W. Bush, on the need for political progress in Iraq, Washington, D.C., Oct. 17, 2007
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#146. To: Burkeman1 (#144)
#147. To: Burkeman1 (#140)
Yes, it is. As his "experience" with Albanians extrapolated to "Islam" in general is a great big stupid simplification- one that is quite rampant on the reich wing.
#148. To: Burkeman1 (#144)
You know- I should start a news service. One dedicated to highlighting every fucked up weird ass crime committed by "Christians" and just do that all day long- post story after story of freak Christian cults having sex with 10 year old child brides and murdering pastors, and child molesting priests, and reverends who go on weekend long drug fueled sex sessions with gay prostitutes, of priests who helped committ genocide in Rwanda, or Christian Serb rape gangs- no matter where- no matter how different the motivations, circumstances, or conditions- just reduce all that evil down- to the fact that they are Christains.
#149. To: Dakmar (#146)
#150. To: Burkeman1 (#134)
#151. To: iconoclast (#147)
Beheadings, female abuse, bomb strapping mad folk and leadership of nations based on on an individuals' memorization of the Koran and Hadith require little in the way of "extrapolation".
#152. To: iconoclast (#150)
#153. To: Burkeman1 (#149)
#154. To: Burkeman1 (#149)
But it does indeed seem to be the particular practice of Americans to take the worst aspects of foreign cultures and magnify them to the point that that is all they all- pure evil. While at the same time Americans get insane with rage if you dare criticize their culture in any way.
#155. To: TwentyTwelve (#81)
Final Authority is Beck.
#156. To: Dakmar (#153)
#157. To: Burkeman1 (#152)
Yes- thank you for pointing out that debate winning point that Muslims are human.
#158. To: Burkeman1 (#156)
#159. To: christine (#156)
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#160. To: Burkeman1 (#145)
Yawn. It is so funny how you stoop to the neocon and reich winger charge of "leftism" just as if you were only a step removed from them .
#161. To: Dakmar (#158)
TV about how my neighborhood needed to be more diverse, and they planned on giving tax credits for minority families to move here. They must have meant Mexicans, because this neighborhood is already about 40% black.
#162. To: Burkeman1, Dakmar (#156)
The point is- you have the wrong bad guy. It isn't Ali and Apu who are to blame. It is the government that seeks to be the middle man between us that is to blame.
#163. To: scrapper2 (#99)
We should expect to pay more $ for it and why not?
#164. To: scrapper2, iconoclast, Zipporah, wbales (#102)
I'm very much pro-melting pot as opposed to multi-culturalism.
#165. To: Esso (#162)
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You came so close there, but PC kept you from hitting the bull's eye.
#166. To: scrapper2, Burkeman1, buckeye, All (#102)
P.S. Re: your fears about Sharia Law use in the West - it's my understanding that it would be used much like Orthodox Judaic Law is currently used - to resolve family legal disputes and it would only be applied if all parties consent. Fyi, in Canada for example one of the most vocal supporters of Sharia Law implementation in one of the provinces was the Jewish community.
#167. To: scrapper2, Burkeman1, buckeye, All (#166)
#168. To: iconoclast (#167)
#169. To: Burkeman1, Esso (#161)
And then, when the race riot erupts between blacks and Mexicans as a result of the resentment and distrust these social engineering schemes produced- that same talking head politicain or bureaucrat will come on teevee (with no one pointing at him as the blame at all) and tell us how we need more of the same race based solutions - like "hate crime" laws.
#170. To: iconoclast, Burkeman1, buckeye, All (#166)
scrapper2: P.S. Re: your fears about Sharia Law use in the West - it's my understanding that it would be used much like Orthodox Judaic Law is currently used - to resolve family legal disputes and it would only be applied if all parties consent. Fyi, in Canada for example one of the most vocal supporters of Sharia Law implementation in one of the provinces was the Jewish community.
#171. To: iconoclast, Burkeman1, buckeye, All (#167)
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Perhaps such policy failures would be more meaningful if motorists, the next time they fill up their gas tank, would envision a woman barely in her 20s facing 200 lashes for no crime at all.
#172. To: scrapper2 (#171)
No one - including the opinion editor or the likes of you - have ever been in the least way concerned about Saudi Arabian women until now.
#173. To: noone222, scrapper2, iconoclast (#172)
#174. To: buckeye (#173)
#175. To: noone222 (#174)
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#176. To: buckeye (#175)
I think it's already gone way too far. I blame the NeoCons for that.
#177. To: noone222 (#176)
#178. To: buckeye (#177)
#179. To: buckeye, noone222, iconoclast, Burkeman1 (#173)
It's not a red herring to be concerned with immigration from such countries. We're Balkanizing America.
#180. To: noone222, buckeye, iconoclast, Burkeman1 (#174)
My reference was to the sharia law and 200 lashes for the rape victim ... that was being discussed on every talk radio program yesterday.
#181. To: scrapper2, buckeye, noone222, iconoclast, Burkeman1, TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, pinguinite, FOH, christine, robin, all (#179)
"There is nothing new under the sun." - Anaximander
"You can never step in the same river twice." ~ Anaximenes
"...we need immigration to replace ourselves. Right now - were it not for the Hispanics who are having multiple babies aplenty - we would be in the same dying on the vine boat as Europe and Russia."
" Btw, most Lebanese are tri-lingual - Arabic, English, and French. Can you say the same about our American schooled dumdums who can barely master English?"
" Yes, our government is balkanizing new immigrants, perhaps purposely so."
#182. To: Original_Intent, buckeye, noone222, iconoclast, Burkeman1, TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, pinguinite, FOH, christine, robin, all (#181)
a. You really should spend more time reading history. We can learn much about the present by knowing what was a successful solution to similar problems in the past.
#183. To: Original_Intent (#181)
" Btw, most Lebanese are tri-lingual - Arabic, English, and French. Can you say the same about our American schooled dumdums who can barely master English?"
#184. To: scrapper2 (#182)
Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!
#185. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#183)
what about the embarassment of having a President who hasn't mastered the English language?
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