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Title: GLENN BECK: RON PAUL SUPPORTERS ISLAMO-FASCISTS
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Published: Nov 17, 2007
Author: Glenn Beck
Post Date: 2007-11-17 10:00:04 by robin
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#11. To: robin (#0)

LOLOL!

The "Revolution" "Led by Ron Paul" includes "Islamo Commie Fascists"; "Fawkes"-like domestic terrorists according to David Whorowitz and Glenn Beck?

What a bunch of Tories!

For a bit of understanding, Glenn Beck is one of if not the ONLY radio host that has both poked a stick at the North American Unioners AND visited the Jorge Arbusto White House in the last quarter...

FOH  posted on  2007-11-17   13:30:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This video is incredible. People who support Ron Paul are being linked to terrorists via the notion that Guy Fawkes was our "Timothy McVeigh." Where have we heard this before? The video includes interviews with David Horowitz and Jonathan Sands, evidently a very pro-Bush grandson of Winston Churchill.

Also, David Horowitz suggests that Ron Paul's fringe supporters are Islamic sympathizers.

Glenn Beck joins in and suggests that disaffection and disenfranchisement are leading to a crisis where a few straggling Americans are just too unhappy with their government. To be fair, he confronts Horowitz and Sands with the problem that government is not listening to citizens on the war, and on the borders.

By the way, the Gunpowder plot was considered to be a precursor of our American revolution, and was instrumental in raising the founding fathers' commitment to religious freedom and separation of church and state here in America.

David Horowitz suggests that Lew Rockwell is in bed with the "Islamofascists."

buckeye  posted on  2007-11-17   20:15:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I wonder if David Horositz hangs out in the MN airport bathroom with Senator Widestance?

Peppa  posted on  2007-11-17   20:35:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It's a false dichotomy to argue that people who support Ron Paul are unaware of the threat Islamic extremism poses to the west. I see several in Horowitz's comments. Supporting an America-first candidate may be the only way we can ever succeed in ending aid to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Egypt. Likewise, we've never had such a pro-Islamic government since Bush took office.

buckeye  posted on  2007-11-17   20:42:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It's a false dichotomy to argue that people who support Ron Paul are unaware of the threat Islamic extremism poses to the west. I see several in Horowitz's comments. Supporting an America-first candidate may be the only way we can ever succeed in ending aid to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Egypt. Likewise, we've never had such a pro-Islamic government since Bush took office.

You know, the new media seems to be saying that we (America) are supporting both sides of everything.

I'd say everybody needs to stop and re-evaluate the situation.

Peppa  posted on  2007-11-17   20:53:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You know, the new media seems to be saying that we (America) are supporting both sides of everything.

I'd say everybody needs to stop and re-evaluate the situation.

You see through the schtick. What the MSM does not clarify is that our "aid" to Muslim countries like Turkey, Egypt, Jordan and Pakistan is to bribe them to stay "friendly/non-confrontational" to Israel so it's like additional foreign aid for Israel's benefit. Saudi Arabia we protect ( I don't think we give SA foreign aid) mainly for oil industry's benefit.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-17   21:16:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Saudi Arabia we protect ( I don't think we give SA foreign aid) mainly for oil industry's benefit.

We prop up the Saudi monarchy by providing them with all the toys a modern police state could wish for.

Dakmar  posted on  2007-11-18   0:37:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

We prop up the Saudi monarchy by providing them with all the toys a modern police state could wish for.

But they hate us because we're free.

buckeye  posted on  2007-11-18   0:48:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away, as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave." - King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz, Jeddeh 1993

Ring a bell?

FOH  posted on  2007-11-18   1:30:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It does. We need to tap into the oil at Gull island, Alaska. The Federal Reserve is eating us out of house and home. I want the Saudis out of our national affairs.

buckeye  posted on  2007-11-18   1:34:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I want the Saudis out of our national affairs.

Please tell me examples of the Saudis in our national affairs.

Here's what the virtual jewish library has to say about Arab lobby groups:

www.jewishvirtuallibrary....urce/US-Israel/lobby.html

"From the beginning, the Arab lobby has faced not only a disadvantage in electoral politics but also in organization. There are several politically oriented groups, but many of these are one man operations with little financial or popular support..."

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-18   1:46:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Please tell me examples of the Saudis in our national affairs.

1. Our military strategy in the Mideast continually benefits the Saudis. Consider the war in Kuwait, and the Iraq war now. Consider our support of Sunnis during the Iran-Iraq war.
2. We provide them with high-tech military hardware. Quote:

   The Saudi foreign minister said Saudi Arabia is a peaceful country in an area of tremendous threat and upheaval. “So it is not strange that it is trying to acquire a posture of defense that will protect the interests and safety of the people of Saudi Arabia.” — Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al Faysal at a press conference in 2007 announcing a large portion of $20 billion in sales to the region.

3. Remember the complex B.C.C.I affair, which is rumored to have helped funnel money from Saudi Arabia and the CIA to Pakistan for nuclear weapons development.
4. Consider the strategic implications of The 1979 Siege of Mecca and our CIA's involvement in directing the operations against the zealots. Yaroslav Trofimov argues that this is one of the major elements of bin Laden's anger toward the United States.
5. The Saudis are a massive source of Wahhabi propaganda. Trofimov also states that the royal Saudis had to make a deal with the clerics before the attack on the zealots to spread Islamic extremism around the world.
6. The Bush family's links to the Saudis are legendary.
7. The Saudi Lobby in DC is legendary.
8. Lindsey Williams argues that America has a deal with OPEC to buy their oil in dollars in exchange for securities purchases. It is no secret that the Saudis lobby to keep oil denominated in dollars, and do own a sizable portion of our national debt.

buckeye  posted on  2007-11-18   7:44:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Our military strategy in the Mideast continually benefits the Saudis. Consider the war in Kuwait, and the Iraq war now. Consider our support of Sunnis during the Iran-Iraq war. We provide them with high-tech military hardware. Quote: The Saudi foreign minister said Saudi Arabia is a peaceful country in an area of tremendous threat and upheaval. “So it is not strange that it is trying to acquire a posture of defense that will protect the interests and safety of the people of Saudi Arabia.” — Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al Faysal at a press conference in 2007 announcing a large portion of $20 billion in sales to the region. Remember the complex B.C.C.I affair, which is rumored to have helped funnel money from Saudi Arabia and the CIA to Pakistan for nuclear weapons development. Consider the strategic implications of The 1979 Siege of Mecca and our CIA's involvement in directing the operations against the zealots. Yaroslav Trofimov argues that this is one of the major elements of bin Laden's anger toward the United States. The Saudis are a massive source of Wahhabi propaganda. Trofimov also states that the royal Saudis had to make a deal with the clerics before the attack on the zealots to spread Islamic extremism around the world. The Bush family's links to the Saudis are legendary. The Saudi Lobby in DC is legendary. Lindsey Williams argues that America has a deal with OPEC to buy their oil in dollars in exchange for securities purchases. It is no secret that the Saudis lobby to keep oil denominated in dollars, and do own a sizable portion of our national debt. I could go on but this should illustrate some of the influences the Saudis have had on the United States over the years. Since the allies helped establish its borders after WWI, the Saudis have had a very close relationship with Americans.

For all your dust-up about the Saudis, you are either purposely or naively missing the elephant in the room - the nation whose lobby is #2 most powerful in DC; the nation we send $3+ Billion foreign aid per year; the nation we protect from numerous UN resolutions and censure; the nation that is a paraiha on the world's stage due to its brutal occupation of land it has stolen; a nation that refuses to sign a mutual defense treaty with us or anybody else but whose heads of state prod us to start wars to benefit it - Iraq and now Iran.

The Saudis' negative influence on our nation is peanuts as compared to Israel's. The Saudis lobby is a laugh if that's what you mean by "legendary" - in fact American Jews speak derisively about the Arab lobbies' lack of organization and lack of influence and support from the general public. Even major US corporations ( apart from oil companies) do not support the Arab lobbies for fear of retaliation from the Israel Lobby. I suggest you read the article at the following url:

www.jewishvirtuallibrary....urce/US-Israel/lobby.html

"The Israeli and Arab Lobbies"

As for Yaroslav Trofimov's information, I would suggest to you that due to Mr. Trofimov's tribal membership, he writes with a purpose and with a particular slant. I noticed via Google hits that he is embraced by IsraelFirst journals and organizations and blogs.

We don't need Trofimov's biased judgement of what constitutes "a major element" of Bin Laden's anger towards the USA. We only need to listen to Bin Laden's words. OBL himself has reiterated the 4 reasons why he hates us - our resolute unyielding support of Israel in spite of its brutal treatment of the Palestinians ( that's the biggie most important one in OBL's eyes) - our occupation ( and desecration) of Islamic Holy places - in Iraq and formerly in Saudi Arabia - our support of several brutal strongmen in Muslim lands like Mubarrek in Egypt, the Saudi Princes in S.A., Musharref in Pakistan, the Prince Abdullah of Jordan - our excessive use and abuse of Muslim oil resources paid for at minimal prices - so our economies flourish while Muslims live in poverty

Our fealty to Israel come hell or high water is the main sticking point with OBL and other fundies. End of story.

With regards to the "complex" B.C.C.I affair you forget to include the name of Israeli Iran-Contra merchant, Adnan Khashoggi, and primo legal advisor Robert Altman. Regardless of who was involved, the BCCI affair was in the main about money laundering from drugs and illegal weapons sales with so many interests participating so it's hard for me to understand your claim that the Saudi Arabian gov't used BCCI to furnish nukes to Pakistan. That's a stretch.

With regards to weapons, the US is a major weapons manufacturer and seller on the world scene, like it or not. The Saudis are just one of our nation's creepy clients. What's your beef? At least the Saudis pay top dollar for our weapons. They don't free-load like Israel. And the Saudis don't use the weapons to bully its neighbors ( like Israel does to Lebanon) or to steal land from others ( like Israel does to the Palestinians 24/7). Moreover Israel doesn't care if the US sells weapons to the Saudis because Israel gets to whine and get more foreign aid as a result. Also Israel doesn't fear attack from Saudi Arabia. In the article url about Arab and Israel lobbies, it clearly states that there is little conflict between the 2 sides because the Israel lobby could care less about the US selling Arab nations arms.

The war in Iraq had all to do with the USA protecting its oil interests in the ME. The US did not need any urging from Saudi Arabia to beat back Uncle Saddam. And Bush Sr. got a UN resolution supporting Gulf War I - it wasn't like the Saudis were the only ones wanting Saddam cut down to size. One of the biggest financial backers of Gulf War I was Japan. Also, it was due to pressure from the Gulf nations that Bush Sr was not allowed to invade Iraq. The Saudis and other Arab nations PREVENTED a full scale invasion of Iraq during Gulf War I. They did not want a de-stabilizing ME war in their backyards ( unlike Israel who enjoys Arab states being de-stabilized and Muslims offed by the kazillions).

As for the madras - so what? - you think these schools cause hatred for us? Hello, it's our governments aggression in the ME and our gov'ts stalwart defense of Israel inspite of its war crimes that is the major source of Muslim hostility to us. It's our flawed foreign policy that's damaging our credibility far more than any madras cleric teacher could hope to achieve.

If you have not already read Drs. Mearsheimer's and Walt's book "The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy" I suggest you do. Read pages 141 - 146 wherein the 2 scholars make it very clear that Saudi Arabia specifically, the oil industry, and the Arab lobbies are modest if not trivial influences on our nation's foreign policies.

Keep this quote in your mind when you consider negative influence of a lobby group:

www.newyorker.c om/archive/2005/07/04/050704fa_fact

"Real Insiders: A pro-Israel lobby and an F.B.I. sting"

... aipac’s leaders can be immoderately frank about the group’s influence. At dinner that night with Steven Rosen, I mentioned a controversy that had enveloped aipac in 1992. David Steiner, a New Jersey real-estate developer who was then serving as aipac’s president, was caught on tape boasting that he had “cut a deal” with the Administration of George H. W. Bush to provide more aid to Israel. Steiner also said that he was “negotiating” with the incoming Clinton Administration over the appointment of a pro-Israel Secretary of State. “We have a dozen people in his”-Clinton’s-“headquarters … and they are all going to get big jobs,” Steiner said. Soon after the tape’s existence was disclosed, Steiner resigned his post. I asked Rosen if aipac suffered a loss of influence after the Steiner affair. A half smile appeared on his face, and he pushed a napkin across the table. “You see this napkin?” he said. “In twenty- four hours, we could have the signatures of seventy senators on this napkin.”...

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-18   14:11:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

For all your dust-up about the Saudis, you are either purposely or naively missing the elephant in the room...

I don't think I'm missing anything at all. I'm interested in eliminating all types of foreign interference withing our government, not just the Zionist lobby.

I would suggest to you that due to Mr. Trofimov's tribal membership, he writes with a purpose and with a particular slant.

Are you denying that the CIA participated in the hostage crisis? What is your specific objection to the basic facts I'm citing here?

With regards to the "complex" B.C.C.I affair you forget to include the name of Israeli Iran-Contra merchant . . .

You asked for examples of Saudi involvement in our government and I gave them to you. I'm confident that you can provide all of us with a long list of Jewish and Israeli interference.

The Saudis are just one of our nation's creepy clients. What's your beef?

I think we should disengage with the entire region. I hope those are Ron Paul's intentions. I would start the disengagement by cutting weapons sales off completely to the region.

As for the madras - so what? - you think these schools cause hatred for us?

It's part of the radicalization of the Islamic world, yes. I especially object to the Saudi mosque construction here in the United States. We've had hundreds going up around the country since the 1979 grand mosque incident.

If you have not already read Drs. Mearsheimer's and Walt's book "The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy" I suggest you do. Read pages 141 - 146 wherein the 2 scholars make it very clear that Saudi Arabia specifically, the oil industry, and the Arab lobbies are modest if not trivial influences on our nation's foreign policies.

Trivial? I would hardly call the past 35 years of our petrodollar based economy trivial.

"Real Insiders: A pro-Israel lobby and an F.B.I. sting"

Once again, you asked for a list of Saudi interferences, and I gave them to you. You dispute them, fine but the longstanding and close ties between the American Establishment and the Saudis is of public record. You come up with Israeli counter-examples, and I say no doubt.

Let's eliminate both.

buckeye  posted on  2007-11-18   16:56:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#79. To: buckeye, iconoclast (#72)

I don't think I'm missing anything at all. I'm interested in eliminating all types of foreign interference withing our government, not just the Zionist lobby.

Are you denying that the CIA participated in the hostage crisis? What is your specific objection to the basic facts I'm citing here?

You asked for examples of Saudi involvement in our government and I gave them to you. I'm confident that you can provide all of us with a long list of Jewish and Israeli interference.

It's part of the radicalization of the Islamic world, yes. I especially object to the Saudi mosque construction here in the United States. We've had hundreds going up around the country since the 1979 grand mosque incident.

Trivial? I would hardly call the past 35 years of our petrodollar based economy trivial.

Once again, you asked for a list of Saudi interferences, and I gave them to you. You dispute them, fine but the longstanding and close ties between the American Establishment and the Saudis is of public record. You come up with Israeli counter-examples, and I say no doubt.

Let's eliminate both.

Your initial harangue against the Saudis' so-called interference in our national affairs in message #47 and #32 said nothing about eliminating all lobby groups including the "leviathan" one ie. the Israel Lobby. This is the first I've read of your desire to eliminate all lobby groups. I would agree with you that would be a fine goal. But I'd also qualify that goal by saying that we should start with the biggest and most influential one first ie. AIPAC. Would you agree?

With regards to some of your new points about the Saudis - I disagree with most of them particularly the ones regarding the start of AQ linked to the Mosque hi- jacking and the Saudis insisting that OPEC use the greenback and the Saudis funding the construction of mosques stateside.

a. AQ had its beginnings vis-a-vis our meddling in the Soviet -Afghan War. - Brezinski and Carter gave the go-ahead to the CIA to train the mujahideen to fight the Russians. OBL himself was trained in that stupid CIA project and it was in Afghanistan that OBL suddenly realized how the Muslims were being used as proxy fighters/as pawns in the Cold War that existed between the Soviets and America. AQ's formation was an unintended consequence of the CIA training of and financial aid to the mujahideen.

Zbigniew Brezinski brags about the project. He told an interviewer in 1998 that the U.S. began funnelling aid to the mujahideen terrorists six months before the Soviet Union intervened, with the intention of drawing the Soviets into their own Vietnam.

Robin Cook, who was Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs of the United Kingdom from 1997 to 2001, is quoted as saying on 07/08/05:

"Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation would turn its attention to the west."

Our government created the monster called AQ and that monster has come back to bite its master.

b. As for the Saudis insisting that oil industry use petro dollars - I think you have things switched around regarding who benefits from this system. It's in America's interests that all OPEC oil purchases continue to be denominated in US dollars and in fact this dollar hegemony over global oil markets was a result of an agreement between the USA and Saudi Arabia in the 1970's. In fact, Saudi Arabia at an OPEC meeting this past week prevented discussions about formally switching to a basket of currencies due to the diminishing value of the greenback. Get it? Saudi Arabia argued on our nation's behalf.

Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states are experiencing record high inflation rates due to their sticking to the US $ peg. However, Israel looked out for itself recently - Israel demanded that US foreign aid be sent to it in Euros not US dollars. Nice.

Here's a decent article describing our US dollar dominence and how we extracted an agreement from OPEC in the 70's to use peg their oil sales to the greenback.

www.atimes.com/global- econ/DD11Dj01.html

"US dollar hegemony has got to go" By Henry C K Liu 04/11/02

c. As for mosques being built in the USA - so what? Last I heard freedom of religion is a guaranteed right stateside. Ours is a tolerant pluristic society. Are you worried about those eeeevil "Islamofacsists" in our midst who might congregate in mosques funded by the Saudis? I have no doubt there are a number of FBI divisions specifically assigned to monitoring what goes on in the mosques here so you can sleep better that no AQ are hiding there.

d. As to the madras and spread of Wahabiism - it was at the direction of the Carter Admin that Saudi Arabia fuel the Afghan Islamic fundie screed. But like our CIA arming and training the mujahideen, the Saudis funding the madras came back to bite us and them. The Saudi Princes are illegitimate rulers in the eyes of fundie Islamists, btw. From a BBC article on the beginnings of "Jihad":

..."Bernard Haykel, professor of Near East studies at Princeton, believes the Saudis set in motion a process over which they lost control. The Saudis' funding of militant Islam reached a new pitch in the 1980s when, with the United States and others, they bankrolled the jihad against Soviet troops occupying Afghanistan.

The Afghan war was the crucible from which emerged al-Qaeda.

"The genie came out of the bottle," says Professor Haykel, "and the Saudis could no longer put it back in." ...

e. Btw, I have never disputed that there is a long standing relationship between Saudi Arabia and our government. What I have said is that the pluses of that relationship out weighed any minuses. Ideally it would be great if our economy was not oil based because then we would not need to involve ourselves with OPEC and the Saudis. But until be can become self-reliant in energy we will continue to need the assistence of the House of Saud.

However, I believe are in the driver's seat with regards to the Saudis and they play a beneficial role by running interference for us at OPEC. That is not the case with Israel. Israel is a financial parasite and a political burden of enormous proportions and its lobby groups and individuals have negative influences on our nation's ME foreign policy.

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