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Title: GLENN BECK: RON PAUL SUPPORTERS ISLAMO-FASCISTS
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Published: Nov 17, 2007
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Post Date: 2007-11-17 10:00:04 by robin
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#11. To: robin (#0)

LOLOL!

The "Revolution" "Led by Ron Paul" includes "Islamo Commie Fascists"; "Fawkes"-like domestic terrorists according to David Whorowitz and Glenn Beck?

What a bunch of Tories!

For a bit of understanding, Glenn Beck is one of if not the ONLY radio host that has both poked a stick at the North American Unioners AND visited the Jorge Arbusto White House in the last quarter...

FOH  posted on  2007-11-17   13:30:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This video is incredible. People who support Ron Paul are being linked to terrorists via the notion that Guy Fawkes was our "Timothy McVeigh." Where have we heard this before? The video includes interviews with David Horowitz and Jonathan Sands, evidently a very pro-Bush grandson of Winston Churchill.

Also, David Horowitz suggests that Ron Paul's fringe supporters are Islamic sympathizers.

Glenn Beck joins in and suggests that disaffection and disenfranchisement are leading to a crisis where a few straggling Americans are just too unhappy with their government. To be fair, he confronts Horowitz and Sands with the problem that government is not listening to citizens on the war, and on the borders.

By the way, the Gunpowder plot was considered to be a precursor of our American revolution, and was instrumental in raising the founding fathers' commitment to religious freedom and separation of church and state here in America.

David Horowitz suggests that Lew Rockwell is in bed with the "Islamofascists."

buckeye  posted on  2007-11-17   20:15:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I wonder if David Horositz hangs out in the MN airport bathroom with Senator Widestance?

Peppa  posted on  2007-11-17   20:35:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It's a false dichotomy to argue that people who support Ron Paul are unaware of the threat Islamic extremism poses to the west. I see several in Horowitz's comments. Supporting an America-first candidate may be the only way we can ever succeed in ending aid to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Egypt. Likewise, we've never had such a pro-Islamic government since Bush took office.

buckeye  posted on  2007-11-17   20:42:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It's a false dichotomy to argue that people who support Ron Paul are unaware of the threat Islamic extremism poses to the west. I see several in Horowitz's comments. Supporting an America-first candidate may be the only way we can ever succeed in ending aid to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Egypt. Likewise, we've never had such a pro-Islamic government since Bush took office.

You know, the new media seems to be saying that we (America) are supporting both sides of everything.

I'd say everybody needs to stop and re-evaluate the situation.

Peppa  posted on  2007-11-17   20:53:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You know, the new media seems to be saying that we (America) are supporting both sides of everything.

I'd say everybody needs to stop and re-evaluate the situation.

You see through the schtick. What the MSM does not clarify is that our "aid" to Muslim countries like Turkey, Egypt, Jordan and Pakistan is to bribe them to stay "friendly/non-confrontational" to Israel so it's like additional foreign aid for Israel's benefit. Saudi Arabia we protect ( I don't think we give SA foreign aid) mainly for oil industry's benefit.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-17   21:16:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Saudi Arabia we protect ( I don't think we give SA foreign aid) mainly for oil industry's benefit.

We prop up the Saudi monarchy by providing them with all the toys a modern police state could wish for.

Dakmar  posted on  2007-11-18   0:37:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

We prop up the Saudi monarchy by providing them with all the toys a modern police state could wish for.

But they hate us because we're free.

buckeye  posted on  2007-11-18   0:48:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away, as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave." - King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz, Jeddeh 1993

Ring a bell?

FOH  posted on  2007-11-18   1:30:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It does. We need to tap into the oil at Gull island, Alaska. The Federal Reserve is eating us out of house and home. I want the Saudis out of our national affairs.

buckeye  posted on  2007-11-18   1:34:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I want the Saudis out of our national affairs.

Please tell me examples of the Saudis in our national affairs.

Here's what the virtual jewish library has to say about Arab lobby groups:

www.jewishvirtuallibrary....urce/US-Israel/lobby.html

"From the beginning, the Arab lobby has faced not only a disadvantage in electoral politics but also in organization. There are several politically oriented groups, but many of these are one man operations with little financial or popular support..."

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-18   1:46:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Please tell me examples of the Saudis in our national affairs.

1. Our military strategy in the Mideast continually benefits the Saudis. Consider the war in Kuwait, and the Iraq war now. Consider our support of Sunnis during the Iran-Iraq war.
2. We provide them with high-tech military hardware. Quote:

   The Saudi foreign minister said Saudi Arabia is a peaceful country in an area of tremendous threat and upheaval. “So it is not strange that it is trying to acquire a posture of defense that will protect the interests and safety of the people of Saudi Arabia.” — Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al Faysal at a press conference in 2007 announcing a large portion of $20 billion in sales to the region.

3. Remember the complex B.C.C.I affair, which is rumored to have helped funnel money from Saudi Arabia and the CIA to Pakistan for nuclear weapons development.
4. Consider the strategic implications of The 1979 Siege of Mecca and our CIA's involvement in directing the operations against the zealots. Yaroslav Trofimov argues that this is one of the major elements of bin Laden's anger toward the United States.
5. The Saudis are a massive source of Wahhabi propaganda. Trofimov also states that the royal Saudis had to make a deal with the clerics before the attack on the zealots to spread Islamic extremism around the world.
6. The Bush family's links to the Saudis are legendary.
7. The Saudi Lobby in DC is legendary.
8. Lindsey Williams argues that America has a deal with OPEC to buy their oil in dollars in exchange for securities purchases. It is no secret that the Saudis lobby to keep oil denominated in dollars, and do own a sizable portion of our national debt.

buckeye  posted on  2007-11-18   7:44:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Our military strategy in the Mideast continually benefits the Saudis. Consider the war in Kuwait, and the Iraq war now. Consider our support of Sunnis during the Iran-Iraq war. We provide them with high-tech military hardware. Quote: The Saudi foreign minister said Saudi Arabia is a peaceful country in an area of tremendous threat and upheaval. “So it is not strange that it is trying to acquire a posture of defense that will protect the interests and safety of the people of Saudi Arabia.” — Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al Faysal at a press conference in 2007 announcing a large portion of $20 billion in sales to the region. Remember the complex B.C.C.I affair, which is rumored to have helped funnel money from Saudi Arabia and the CIA to Pakistan for nuclear weapons development. Consider the strategic implications of The 1979 Siege of Mecca and our CIA's involvement in directing the operations against the zealots. Yaroslav Trofimov argues that this is one of the major elements of bin Laden's anger toward the United States. The Saudis are a massive source of Wahhabi propaganda. Trofimov also states that the royal Saudis had to make a deal with the clerics before the attack on the zealots to spread Islamic extremism around the world. The Bush family's links to the Saudis are legendary. The Saudi Lobby in DC is legendary. Lindsey Williams argues that America has a deal with OPEC to buy their oil in dollars in exchange for securities purchases. It is no secret that the Saudis lobby to keep oil denominated in dollars, and do own a sizable portion of our national debt. I could go on but this should illustrate some of the influences the Saudis have had on the United States over the years. Since the allies helped establish its borders after WWI, the Saudis have had a very close relationship with Americans.

For all your dust-up about the Saudis, you are either purposely or naively missing the elephant in the room - the nation whose lobby is #2 most powerful in DC; the nation we send $3+ Billion foreign aid per year; the nation we protect from numerous UN resolutions and censure; the nation that is a paraiha on the world's stage due to its brutal occupation of land it has stolen; a nation that refuses to sign a mutual defense treaty with us or anybody else but whose heads of state prod us to start wars to benefit it - Iraq and now Iran.

The Saudis' negative influence on our nation is peanuts as compared to Israel's. The Saudis lobby is a laugh if that's what you mean by "legendary" - in fact American Jews speak derisively about the Arab lobbies' lack of organization and lack of influence and support from the general public. Even major US corporations ( apart from oil companies) do not support the Arab lobbies for fear of retaliation from the Israel Lobby. I suggest you read the article at the following url:

www.jewishvirtuallibrary....urce/US-Israel/lobby.html

"The Israeli and Arab Lobbies"

As for Yaroslav Trofimov's information, I would suggest to you that due to Mr. Trofimov's tribal membership, he writes with a purpose and with a particular slant. I noticed via Google hits that he is embraced by IsraelFirst journals and organizations and blogs.

We don't need Trofimov's biased judgement of what constitutes "a major element" of Bin Laden's anger towards the USA. We only need to listen to Bin Laden's words. OBL himself has reiterated the 4 reasons why he hates us - our resolute unyielding support of Israel in spite of its brutal treatment of the Palestinians ( that's the biggie most important one in OBL's eyes) - our occupation ( and desecration) of Islamic Holy places - in Iraq and formerly in Saudi Arabia - our support of several brutal strongmen in Muslim lands like Mubarrek in Egypt, the Saudi Princes in S.A., Musharref in Pakistan, the Prince Abdullah of Jordan - our excessive use and abuse of Muslim oil resources paid for at minimal prices - so our economies flourish while Muslims live in poverty

Our fealty to Israel come hell or high water is the main sticking point with OBL and other fundies. End of story.

With regards to the "complex" B.C.C.I affair you forget to include the name of Israeli Iran-Contra merchant, Adnan Khashoggi, and primo legal advisor Robert Altman. Regardless of who was involved, the BCCI affair was in the main about money laundering from drugs and illegal weapons sales with so many interests participating so it's hard for me to understand your claim that the Saudi Arabian gov't used BCCI to furnish nukes to Pakistan. That's a stretch.

With regards to weapons, the US is a major weapons manufacturer and seller on the world scene, like it or not. The Saudis are just one of our nation's creepy clients. What's your beef? At least the Saudis pay top dollar for our weapons. They don't free-load like Israel. And the Saudis don't use the weapons to bully its neighbors ( like Israel does to Lebanon) or to steal land from others ( like Israel does to the Palestinians 24/7). Moreover Israel doesn't care if the US sells weapons to the Saudis because Israel gets to whine and get more foreign aid as a result. Also Israel doesn't fear attack from Saudi Arabia. In the article url about Arab and Israel lobbies, it clearly states that there is little conflict between the 2 sides because the Israel lobby could care less about the US selling Arab nations arms.

The war in Iraq had all to do with the USA protecting its oil interests in the ME. The US did not need any urging from Saudi Arabia to beat back Uncle Saddam. And Bush Sr. got a UN resolution supporting Gulf War I - it wasn't like the Saudis were the only ones wanting Saddam cut down to size. One of the biggest financial backers of Gulf War I was Japan. Also, it was due to pressure from the Gulf nations that Bush Sr was not allowed to invade Iraq. The Saudis and other Arab nations PREVENTED a full scale invasion of Iraq during Gulf War I. They did not want a de-stabilizing ME war in their backyards ( unlike Israel who enjoys Arab states being de-stabilized and Muslims offed by the kazillions).

As for the madras - so what? - you think these schools cause hatred for us? Hello, it's our governments aggression in the ME and our gov'ts stalwart defense of Israel inspite of its war crimes that is the major source of Muslim hostility to us. It's our flawed foreign policy that's damaging our credibility far more than any madras cleric teacher could hope to achieve.

If you have not already read Drs. Mearsheimer's and Walt's book "The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy" I suggest you do. Read pages 141 - 146 wherein the 2 scholars make it very clear that Saudi Arabia specifically, the oil industry, and the Arab lobbies are modest if not trivial influences on our nation's foreign policies.

Keep this quote in your mind when you consider negative influence of a lobby group:

www.newyorker.c om/archive/2005/07/04/050704fa_fact

"Real Insiders: A pro-Israel lobby and an F.B.I. sting"

... aipac’s leaders can be immoderately frank about the group’s influence. At dinner that night with Steven Rosen, I mentioned a controversy that had enveloped aipac in 1992. David Steiner, a New Jersey real-estate developer who was then serving as aipac’s president, was caught on tape boasting that he had “cut a deal” with the Administration of George H. W. Bush to provide more aid to Israel. Steiner also said that he was “negotiating” with the incoming Clinton Administration over the appointment of a pro-Israel Secretary of State. “We have a dozen people in his”-Clinton’s-“headquarters … and they are all going to get big jobs,” Steiner said. Soon after the tape’s existence was disclosed, Steiner resigned his post. I asked Rosen if aipac suffered a loss of influence after the Steiner affair. A half smile appeared on his face, and he pushed a napkin across the table. “You see this napkin?” he said. “In twenty- four hours, we could have the signatures of seventy senators on this napkin.”...

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-18   14:11:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

well I think youve missed something important here.. they are linked..you need to peel back a few layers.. the Saudis and the Israelis .. and throw in the Turks as well all linked for the same reason.. have you ever researched the Saudi royal family? .. that might be a place to start

I failed to mention the Saudi connection to 9/11.. google PTECH & PROMIS & the Saudis..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-11-18   17:04:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

No doubt, Zipporah. The truly radical Islamists point this out every day, from what I understand. They identify the royal Sauds with Zionism. All the more reason to back out of the region and let nature run its course. If Americans want to donate their money and blood Lincoln-brigade style, they can join either side. They may not be welcome to come home, though.

We have our own interests — and borders to defend.

buckeye  posted on  2007-11-18   17:09:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I agree.. I edited my post and you may not have seen my reference to PTECH & PROMIS and the Saudis.. The Turks too had a hand in all this.. read what Indira Singh had to say on this.. very disturbing.

Zipporah  posted on  2007-11-18   17:11:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks for the pointers. I don't know where to start looking for information on these terms, plus the Singh commentary, but I'll search for them when I get a chance.

buckeye  posted on  2007-11-18   17:12:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Let me get you some links..

911citizenswatch.org/?p=436 - PTECH, 9/11, and USA-SAUDI TERROR - Part I

www.madcowprod.com/mc4522004.html - "Can you say BCCI? .

The tale begins almost right after the 9/11 attack, when, in October of 2001, handful of ex-Ptech employees alerted the FBI to evidence indicating that the firm had Saudi terror connections.

Saudi terrorists, Saudi money, and JP Morgan Chase

Almost a year later the Boston FBI had still done nothing about it. They had, in fact, shut down their cursory investigation and taken no action.

Thus Ptech was still operating at the highest levels of American society in the Spring of 2002, when the firm showed up hustling business at the door of Wall Street’s JP Morgan Chase. The question is “why?”

On its surface, the answer appears to be “money.” Lots and lots of Saudi money.

Indira Singh, who later became a whistleblower, was an unwitting eyewitness to the “train wreck.”

“I invited Ptech to come down and give a presentation and a customized demo to JP Morgan Chase,” states Singh, who was a consultant to the bank on “risk architecture,” an arcane software specialty which calculates enterprise risk. In one of the story’s many ironic twists, Singh was at the time designing a system to help JP Morgan Chase detect terrorist money laundering.

When Ptech showed up, Singh quickly realized that she was witnessing her worst fears about compromised security come true. “Within half an hour on the premises, I knew something was up,” she says. “They had almost immediately raised about six of my red flags, to the point where I walked over to my desk and picked up the phone, and began making phone calls.”

She talked with a respected industry figure who had once worked at Ptech. “He was shocked to learn that I had invited Ptech on the premises. He told me the company belonged to Yasin Qadi.”

In the course of what would otherwise have been just another day at the bank, Indira Singh made the amazing discovery that the firm in front of her at the moment was owned by Saudis, including Yasin Qadi, with suspected as well as proven ties to the terrorists who carried out the 9/11 attack.

All this left her feeling more than a little surprised."

Zipporah  posted on  2007-11-18   17:15:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The House of Saud had zero to do with 9/11. It's a false canard that is used as a distraction from the real culprits.

That the majority of 9/11 terrorists had Saudi citizenship does not mean that the Saudi government sponsored 9/11. The Saudi intel agencies can barely keep the Princes safe - they are in a word incompetent and completely incapable to help plot 9/11.

That Saudi family members were allowed to fly out after 9/11 means what exactly? It merely illustrates a well known fact of life in DC -the Saudi Family has pull with the White House as it always has for eons. Big deal.

Did you know that the Saudi government actually argued that redacted passages of the 9/11 Commission report be allowed to see the light of day to the general public because they were concerned about what the redaction implied. Their requests fell on deaf ears with the Bush Admin and the 9/11 Commission.

Furthermore regarding the Ptech thingie - like the guy wrongly dragged through the mud for allegedly sending anthrax through the mail - big todo about nothing.

Here's a 2003 article about Ptech:

masshightech.bizjournals....es/2003/08/25/newscolumn2. html?page=1

"Ware-Withal: Wrongly suspected Ptech, CEO bounce back slowly"

If you feel that there were "insiders" to 9/11 event, a more fruitful focus might be on an Israeli-run private telecom company called Comverse Infosys per the 4 part series of Carl Cameron:

www.informationc learinghouse.info/article7545.htm

"Israel Is Spying In And On The U.S.?" parts 1-4

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-18   19:00:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Article not found .. the bizjournals one..

at any rate, so b/c an article cites Ptech as being 'clean' that means it's so? Please.. get on the clue bus..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-11-18   20:01:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#91. To: Zipporah (#89)

a. Article not found .. the bizjournals one..

b. at any rate, so b/c an article cites Ptech as being 'clean' that means it's so? Please.. get on the clue bus..

a. Here's the biz journal url - hope it works this time round - you may need to cut and paste the url:

http://masshightech.bizjournals.com/masshightech/stories/2003/08/25/newscolumn2. html?page=1

"Ware-Withal: Wrongly suspected Ptech, CEO bounce back slowly"

b. As I said, the Saudis are incapable of doing anything except what the US tells them to do. They are not the sharpest knives in the ME intel drawer. I don't think they are capable of putting together a 9/11 insider intel company. The Saudi are fat greedy illegitimate rulers. They have more than enough $ from oil. All they care about is leading their decadent life styles and ruling over their unhappy people. The Saudis are not so sophisticated that they are into plotting 9/11 events or front companies. How would they benefit from 9/11? It makes no sense whatsoever.

There's only one ME nation that would benefit from 9/11. Buy a clue yourself and look into Comverse Infosys and the nation that fronts it.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-18 20:42:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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