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#91. To: Zipporah (#89)

a. Article not found .. the bizjournals one..

b. at any rate, so b/c an article cites Ptech as being 'clean' that means it's so? Please.. get on the clue bus..

a. Here's the biz journal url - hope it works this time round - you may need to cut and paste the url:

http://masshightech.bizjournals.com/masshightech/stories/2003/08/25/newscolumn2. html?page=1

"Ware-Withal: Wrongly suspected Ptech, CEO bounce back slowly"

b. As I said, the Saudis are incapable of doing anything except what the US tells them to do. They are not the sharpest knives in the ME intel drawer. I don't think they are capable of putting together a 9/11 insider intel company. The Saudi are fat greedy illegitimate rulers. They have more than enough $ from oil. All they care about is leading their decadent life styles and ruling over their unhappy people. The Saudis are not so sophisticated that they are into plotting 9/11 events or front companies. How would they benefit from 9/11? It makes no sense whatsoever.

There's only one ME nation that would benefit from 9/11. Buy a clue yourself and look into Comverse Infosys and the nation that fronts it.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-18   20:42:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: scrapper2 (#91)
(Edited)

It does make perfect sense.. if you connect the dots.. what has more than one 9/11 whistleblower mentioned? Drugs and illegal arm sales.. it's about $$$ for some and a few other things for that matter..

If you research the names.. who they are .. what groups they're connected with.. the muslim brotherhood and the CIA.. read about all the whisteblowers the ones w/connections to 9/11 and the picture will become more clear.

And I dont have to buy myself a clue Im not a dolt I already know about Infosys issue for quite some time.

Zipporah  posted on  2007-11-18   20:45:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: scrapper2 (#90)

The beauty of the ME oil resources is that it is so inexpensive to get and use.

Williams says it costs us $3/barrel to get in Alaska. Even if he's wrong, we've cut back on our oil refineries and exploration here, and every CFR member politician opposes drilling in ANWR, in the Everglades, and on California's coastline. This puts OPEC at a distinct advantage. It puts Saudi Arabia at a distinct advantage. Their purchases of our treasury securities, even if not secretly quid pro quo, only serve to prop up our increasingly socialist and interventionist system of government.

I could care less whether we're in the UN or not. It's not a biggy issue to me apart from the fact that US tax dollars are wasted in the support of Third World thugs and thieves.

It's a huge issue for American nationalists. We typically supply foreign aid directly to our favorite dictators rather than going through the UN. These are separate issues. Our sovereignty is diminished by pressures to adhere to international court rulings and treaties signed with the UN, as well as to send our troops to war. UN resolutions were invoked as we bombed Serbia and invaded Iraq, for example. We occupy Kosovo because of NATO agreements. The list of problems caused by our participation in international organizations is long and dreary, but it adds up to lost American freedoms.

We made a mistake of supporting a UN resolution to create Israel out of thin air. We shouldn't double that mistake by giving Israel a false sense of security that it can do whatever war crimes it wants to the Palestinians and Lebanese and we will support it forever.

Participation in the UN a problem? In any case, I have no objections to the actions the Allies took in the former Ottoman empire and Palestine, as these steps proved strategic during WWII and the Cold War. In 1973, we could have walked away from Israel and never gone back as far as I'm concerned. Certainly I agree that we do not need to take another action to ensure its survival at this time. A hundred years of manipulating the region's boundaries and cultures have caused us more than enough trouble. But the most serious aspects of it were from the Nazis and the Soviets. Now that those threats are diminished, we can walk away. I don't expect you to agree with me, I'm just letting you know where I stand.

The Muslim wrath against the Israelis regarding its ill-treatment and land thievery of Palestinian land is well founded

But if we can't be fair and honest brokers for peace, then we should bow out completely from the Israeli-Palestinian crisis and let other powers intervene.

As of 1973, it works for me. In fact, we're more likely to get along with our former Russian rivals in the region if we disengage militarily with all of these countries.

The Israeli-Palestinian situation has nothing to do with "maintaining our own territorial boundaries and cultural integrity" that I can see.

None of this does, which is why we should disengage militarily with all nations in the region and go back to talking and trading. I am confident that nature will run its course with us or without us.

buckeye  posted on  2007-11-18   20:55:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: buckeye (#93)

a. I very much doubt that low $3 figure for getting oil from ANWAR. I've read that Saudi Arabia's old oil wells are damaged due to over pumping and infiltration of salt water. So the House of Saud may soon outgrow its usefulness for cheap oil in the near future anyways. The CFR needs to work with public opinion and even if oil were 2 cents per gallon off the cpoast of California and ANWAR, there's no politician stateside who is going to buck public opinion regarding protection of our ecology and coastline. Sorry I don't buy that CFR machination at all.

b. We control the UN through our permanent Security Council along with the UK. We entered Kosovo because we wanted to - BillyJeff needed a distraction from Monicagate. We use the UN for cover when it suits us and we act pre-emptively when it suits us. I don't see the UN having any effect on our sovereign rights or choices. It's simply a gang bang of the US taxpayer that's all, a mandated waste of our tax dollars on thugocracies, a not so subtle Marxist re- distribution of wealth from have countries to non-have Third World rulers' pockets.

c. If you refer to the Balfour Declaration as raison d'etre for Israel's formal creation in 1948 - come on, that was the Zionists' bribe requirement ofBritain to excert their considerable influence stateside to get America involved in WWI. The 1948 UN resolution was a result of Europe's guilt. Truman got on the same page at the last minute due to Zionist pressure - future votes hung in the balance after all.

d. We would not have had a problem with Russia in the 1950's if we had not allied ourselve with "Uncle Joe" and had let the Naziis and Commies duke it out to point of death in Russia. FDR could have prevented Pearl Harbor - he wanted us in WWII and we sold out 20 Million Eastern Europeans in the end to good old Uncle Joe whose power and influence grew substantially due to our WWII alliance with him. There would have been no "Cold War" if we had let Stalin go down in flames along with Hitler in WWII. WWII was NOT a good war imo. Nor was WWI or Korea or Vietnam or Kosovo or Iraq. American lives have been wasted for lies the past 200 years.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-18   21:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: scrapper2 (#94)

Lots of what if's and maybes in there. We've done what we've done, and we should learn from it. What I've learned from it is that we should now take a good opportunity to walk away from the Mideast while we've got it.

I'll believe we need their oil when we've pumped the last drum out of the ground on our own soil.

buckeye  posted on  2007-11-18   21:37:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: buckeye, scrapper2, Zipporah (#93)

Just my two cents before turning in.

Here's a bit I posted "over there", quite a while back.

No nation that enforces sharia can be "modern".

Agreed, and virtually every ME nation, given the opportunity of Whorge's imposition of "democracy" on them, will choose sharia, IMO.

There is only one sensible policy with reference to the God forsaken ME:

1) Cease the ill conceived "crusade", SAP.

2) Listen to the advice of Srdja Trifkovic, Chronicles Magazine contributor, who urges quarantine of the ME nations, i.e, strengthen the security of our borders, severely and very selectively limit immigration of Muslims to our county, and strengthen our weakened C.I.A.

Anything less and we will go the way of Great Britain and the rest of Europe that has failed too long to impose such logic, thus placing them in very precarious positions.

==============================================================================

While searching for (and failing to find) Trifkovic's fine article on this topic, I found and offer this by Jim Pinkerton. I found it thought provoking.

carnageandculture.blogspo...inkerton-once-future.html

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2007-11-18   22:28:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: iconoclast (#96) (Edited)

Glenn Beck is a Judeo-FASCIST.

That's why he has a show on TelAvivision.

Register to vote for Ron Paul NOW.

wbales  posted on  2007-11-18   22:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: iconoclast (#96)

Hear hear.

buckeye  posted on  2007-11-18   22:33:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: buckeye (#95)

Lots of what if's and maybes in there. We've done what we've done, and we should learn from it. What I've learned from it is that we should now take a good opportunity to walk away from the Mideast while we've got it.

I'll believe we need their oil when we've pumped the last drum out of the ground on our own soil.

I like RP's position which is trade with all, be friendly in our dealings with everyone, AND MIND OUR OWN BUSINESS and put our own house in order which cries for attention - say bridges anyone?

With regards to ME oil, realistically in the short term ( the next 10 years) we need their black gold. We should expect to pay more $ for it and why not? It's their only resource - it's non renewable and we've been buying it on the cheap for many many years to boost our economy and life style. Fair is fair.

However, in the interim I think we should re-direct all the $ we have given to MIC and the DOD the past 60 years and focus it on research at our fine universities to developing petro substitutes ( realistic ones not corn I'm sorry) and fuel efficient auto engine designs as well as construction of nuclear power plants.

Frankly, Anwar and CA coast drilling will be so tied up in the courts we'd never see any positive outcome in our life time even if we assume there's vast quantities of cheap oil deposits in both areas ( I'm doubtful).

A multi-pronged investment in becoming self-sufficient and independent of ME oil within the next 10 years is the way to go in my opinion.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-18   23:55:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: iconoclast (#96) (Edited)

Our immigration levels of Muslims are pawltry as compared to the Europeans. Our cheap labor has been from Mexico by the millions. The Europeans have used labor from Muslim nations who were in some cases former colonies. Also we have done a much better effort to assimilate the Muslim immigrants we have taken in than the Europeans have. Fyi the Iranians for example are the most upwardly mobile of all immigrant groups we have taken in the past 30 years.

I don't fear the religion of Islam whatsoever. Muslims don't try to convert me. They have their beliefs and I have mine. The fundie Christo nutters are far more annoying for evangelizing. And the Jews are far more aggressive with regards to having Christianity wiped off the historical place marks of our nation by submitting legal court challenges and intimidating municipal departments regarding a their interpretation of separation between church and state.

What MSM has Americans all worked up about ( and falsely so I believe) relates to the small subset of Islamics - the fundies. Every religion has the same extremist minority. Mainstream Islam itself calls for tolerance and acceptance. In fact prior to Israel being established, the ME Muslims were far more tolerant of Jews than the Christians in Europe were. As for cultural social concerns, I think you have more to fear from La Raza and its illegal Hispanic foot soldiers who want to claim southern border states for Azetlan. When you call gov't departments your choice of language is English and Spanish not English and Farsi.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-19   0:10:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: buckeye, scrapper2, Zipporah, wbales (#100)

I don't fear the religion of Islam whatsoever. Muslims don't try to convert me.

My summary reaction to your posts would be to crown you King of American Multiculturalists. Personally, I don't fear rogue elephants whatsoever, but then we keep elephants pretty well contained and controlled.

Jews don't convert. Muslims most certainly do. Have you noticed where they are most active? In our prisons and with the most alienated members of our turmoil torn society. Has it occurred to you that the most significant conversion successes are with those that are least assimilated and ready made for conversion to a violent and aggressive "religion"?

There's quite a difference between being "annoyed" by "fundis", Mormons or Jehovah's witnesses and being converted Muslim style. BTW, try not to get "converted" by them, "uncoversion" is not in their vocabulary. We had, if you'll recall, no sooner imposed Bush's "democracy" on Afghanistan when some poor bastard was threatened with death for attempting to convert and marry a Christian girl.

Stoning and murder of innocents are what they carry in their conversion kits, not tracts. Their stonyhearted god of rules and their heavenly reward of virgins is alien to our historical Judeo-Christian republic. Their cultures are antithetical to all of western civilization. Their concept of tolerance is Dhimmitude. Islam means "Submission", and before you give me a sanitized Islamic definition of allow me to provide one recent illustration of Muslim tolerance and assimilation (examples abound).

In Nov., 2004 a brutal murder shocked Holland and the world. On a busy Amsterdam street, in broad daylight, a prominent film maker named Theo van Gogh was shot, stabbed and mutilated in front of dozens of witnesses.

A young Muslim radical was arrested. What was described as a ritual slaughter set off alarm bells throughout Europe and the United States, where millions of devout Muslims live as minorities in secular society.

For the Dutch who have prided themselves for centuries on a tradition of tolerance, it was a painful awakening, the prospect of a homegrown jihad in the world's most liberal state.

Preventative medicine is the way to go not, "feel good", unreal anticipation of some future reasoning with the unreasonable. One may feel comfortable and unthreatened at the moment in Paris, TX, .... Paris, France or London, England is quite another

Finally, why introduce the invasion of our southern border into the discussion? Only the elitists now in control of a (hopefully temporary) helpless and bewildered American fail to see the phenomena as our most significant threat.

Epilogue:

www.geocities.com/mclane 65/trifkovic.html

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2007-11-19   10:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: iconoclast, buckeye, Zipporah, wbales (#101) (Edited)

a. My summary reaction to your posts would be to crown you King of American Multiculturalists.

b. Finally, why introduce the invasion of our southern border into the discussion?

a. Because I am not threatened by different ethnicities or cultures, does that make me "King of Multiculturalists?" Let's be clear on this matter so you don't go around labelling me something I am not, based on your limited ( a couple of days posting here) knowledge of my political positions.

I'm very much pro-melting pot as opposed to multi-culturalism.

I'm very much pro-legal immigration that matches America's economic/professional needs to immigration candidates. Ergo, if we are in need of experienced M.D.'s, I would take a Pakistani or Iranian M.D. over a Catholic bartender from Ireland. I could care less about "religious beliefs". I care about skills that our nation needs at any given time that cannot be supplied by Americans already here.

So are we clear on where I stand?

b. You introduced the concept of "threat" to our cultural social fabric first with your linked article to the "carnage and culture blogspot". I was merely responding to your expressed concerns. And what "threatens" our nation currently is not the prospect of Sharia Law but rather it is racist anti- American organizations like La Raza and its millions of illegal Hispanic foot soldiers(who appear to have zero interest in assimilating into American culture even if they were made legal overnight) as well as the US politicians who pander to this group of law breakers. My point is if you are going to stay up at night worrying about "ciulture and carnage" at least wring your hands about something that is real and under your nose and not something that is a neocon- manufactured fear mongering "Islamofascist" concept.

P.S. Re: your fears about Sharia Law use in the West - it's my understanding that it would be used much like Orthodox Judaic Law is currently used - to resolve family legal disputes and it would only be applied if all parties consent. Fyi, in Canada for example one of the most vocal supporters of Sharia Law implementation in one of the provinces was the Jewish community.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-19   13:35:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: scrapper2 (#102)

Eeek. Sharia Law! Oh my! Good Grief- it gets more and more embarassing each passing day to be identified as an American. Pretty soon the dictionary is going to have an entry for coward in the dictionary like "as in as cowardly as an American."

The Daily Burkeman1

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-11-19   13:59:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: scrapper2, buckeye, Zipporah, wbales (#102)

Because I am not threatened by different ethnicities or cultures, does that make me "King of Multiculturalists?"

Your statement comes pretty close to the definition of a multiculturalist. What part of Balkanization do you not understand?

re your fears about Sharia Law use in the West - it's my understanding that it would be used much like Orthodox Judaic Law is currently used - to resolve family legal disputes and it would only be applied if all parties consent.

As far as I know, Rabbis do not prescribe wife beatings, stonings or honor killings.

You introduced the concept of "threat" to our cultural social fabric first with your linked article to the "carnage and culture blogspot".

I've been here a little more than a couple of days but you're the first I've encountered who posts inferences, interpretations, or conlusions as opposed to quotes from links.

Mexican, Hispanic, La Raza nor anything similar is mentioned in my link.

I'm very much pro-melting pot as opposed to multi-culturalism.

If we're to adopt your open door policy toward Muslims we better make it a damned high temperature melting pot.

=============================================================================

My point was crystal clear. Muslims present a challenge to western civilized precepts previously unencountered in our nations relatively short history. We are talking here about a people pitifully stuck in the sixth century. I do not accept the progaganda term of Islamo-facists or other froth mouthed jingoistic terms. My stance is simple ... live and let live, but, most certainly do not encourage the infection and disruption of trying to mix the oil and water (no pun intended) of the ME and the U.S..

More bluntly, let them drown in their own oil and vomit.

Also, from the same previous link:

Tocqueville wrote:

I studied the Kuran a great deal...... I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. As far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world, and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion infinitely more to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself. [Quoted by Trifkovic, page 208]

I leave it to my fellow posters to ponder who is the rather "odd" man out here.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2007-11-19   15:37:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: iconoclast (#104)

More bluntly, let them drown in their own oil and vomit.

I'm weary of this slurry of slop cultures the PTB are allowing into our country. I'm even more weary of the culturally tolerant crew who have become steeped in political correctness. I wonder if they have taken a good look at the EU for a glimpse of what is to come our way? I'm guessing they have and frankly either want the same for us or are too cowardly to raise a bitch.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-11-19   16:03:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Jethro Tull, robin, christine, Pinguinite, Zipporah, TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, buckey, lodwick (#105)

I don't know if you're into Health Freedom, but it's in dire jeopardy - on the fast-track now that the North American Union is OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT POLICY in Amerika...wait till you see the EU's CODEX...coming to your home soon.

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

FOH  posted on  2007-11-19   16:08:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: All (#106)

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

FOH  posted on  2007-11-19   16:11:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: FOH (#106)

What's Health Freedom, FOH? I'm well aware of the NAU, and I'm here to tell you some among us think it's a peachy-keen idea. Those folks need a severe beating.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-11-19   16:12:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: iconoclast, buckeye, Zipporah, wbales, Burkeman1 (#104)

More bluntly, let them drown in their own oil and vomit.

I leave it to my fellow posters to ponder who is the rather "odd" man out here.

Your comments are self-revealing.

Yes, unfortunately I may be the "odd" man out and your 'tude is likely far more common and embraced by the majority of my fellow 'merikans - ergo that's why our nation has been so easily misled into wars based on lies to bully all those "savages out there" and why our military savagery has caused us to be disgraced on the international stage.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-19   16:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Jethro Tull (#108)

Those folks need a severe beating.

That's totalitarian thinking, to think anybody needs a severe beating merely because of a belief -- even if it is a mistaken belief.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-11-19   16:14:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: aristeides (#110)

Let me amend my comment. Anyone who is actively working or supporting the joining of us with Mexico and Canada into a common North American Union needs to be shot, not beaten.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-11-19   16:19:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Jethro Tull (#105)

I'm weary of this slurry of slop cultures the PTB are allowing into our country.

You'll receive no argument from me about how the family reunification immigration policy has brought no benefit to our nation's development. But for me it's not a problem of "slop cultures." It's the fact that the majority of immigrants coming here have zero professional skills/educational specialization that our nation needs. Also we have changed from a melting pot nation to one that celebrates diversity and separateness so immigrants are not encouraged to assimilate.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-19   16:20:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Jethro Tull (#108)

What's Health Freedom, FOH?

Thank you for asking! "Health Freedom" is our ability to privately use vitamins, minerals and other natural/alternative sources for our health. In Europe, you can only get fractional amounts and they are DISPENSED VIA BIG PHARMA in most if not all cases.

I'm well aware of the NAU, and I'm here to tell you some among us think it's a peachy-keen idea. Those folks need a severe beating.

I know. The Enemy Within includes lots of home grown America haters, self-loathing elites and parasites that should reconsider what is going to happen if continue the final deconstruction of our country...

From the April 2007 Idaho Observer:


Advancing NAU greatest threat to health freedom

Americans are becoming quite ill and are realizing that the pharmaceutical industry profits immensely by making them sick—and keeping them that way. In desperation, Americans (and Canadians) are looking for alternatives. Ironically, the "alternatives" are the naturopathic modalities, herbs and diets that people commonly understood before drugs and chemically-adulterated food and drink replaced common sense. Anticipating that the human guinea pigs would someday "catch on," organized medicine began plotting to gain regulatory control of vitamins and herbs. The plan, through an international cooperative called the Codex Alimentarius Commission, which is attempting to "harmonize" the food and drug regulatory schemes under the auspices of "free trade," is THE greatest threat to health freedom in North America. While the FDA and its minions are attempting to distract the health freedom movement by publicizing its intent to adopt objectionable administrative rule changes, the political and economic dissolution of our north and south borders is marching on...

By The Idaho Observer

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has become notoriously responsible for approving numerous dangerous drugs and harmful food additives. The agency should be completely dismantled, or at least reorganized and many of its policy makers held criminally accountable for their roles in maiming and killing millions of Americans with their "approvals."

But the opposite is happening. Through its participation in the Trilateral Cooperation Charter and with almost zero Congressional oversight, the FDA is secretly pushing with all its administrative might for the implementation of Codex Alimentarius among North American Union nations Canada, the U.S. and Mexico.

The FDA is currently acting as though a North American Union were already in place, even though there has NEVER been any implementing legislation passed by Congress to allow this rogue agency to do what it’s doing.

If Canada, Mexico and the U.S. are to officially merge financially and politically as the North American Union (NAU), the current laws in place that protect our health freedoms, such as the Dietary Supplement and Health and Education Act of 1994 (DSHEA), will be superseded by the NAU and Codex regulations.

At the core of this issue is national sovereignty. It is bad enough that we have unelected representatives from the FDA representing the interests of big pharma and the bio-tech food industry rather than the citizens of the U.S. But if we lose our sovereignty as a nation, the rights of the consumer will, in effect, be replaced with the regulatory schemes intended to promote "free trade"—which is a euphemism for "fascist exploitation of resources and markets."

Under Codex, consumer rights of fair access to what the FDA refers to as "complimentary and alternative modalities/medicine (CAM)" will cease to exist and will be replaced with a regulatory scheme that omits administrative remedies for relief from arbitrarily-imposed restrictions on how we choose to maintain our own health.

This is why it is so important to support the current health freedom organizations that are clear on this issue and be aware of the constant attacks they endure from well-organized, controlled opposition groups. The two organizations in our country who work tirelessly to protect our health freedoms by representing consumers at international Codex meetings and opposing CAFTA and the NAU are the International Advocates for Health Freedom (IAHF) and the National Health Federation.

The controlled opposition

IAHF director John Hammell just had an encounter with such a controlled opposition group while he was speaking on April 14 at the annual Total Health Show in Toronto, Ontario. According to a recent email from Hammell, "Vexatious Litigant Trueman Tuck of the Friends of Freedom had a process server serve legal papers on me as I was on the stage where the crowd joined me in singing ‘Oh Canada’ and I presented a powerful program about how Codex restrictions are being ushered into the U.S. and Canada via the FDA’s Trilateral Cooperation Charter with Canada and Mexico.

"Clearly, Tuck and his allies, including the U.S.-based Natural Solutions Foundation, don’t want this information seeing the light of day and they’d love to tentpeg IAHF and all Allied Organizations for attempting to stop the North American Union dictatorship from ushering Codex vitamin restrictions into North America, but they’re not going to get away with it!

"Tuck is also suing Mezine, Inc., and numerous other parties, including long-time Canadian health freedom activist Marilyn Nelson, whose organization he literally hijacked in an obvious effort to try to STOP her from discussing Canadian sovereignty issues in the context of her health freedom work.

"Tuck was attempting to get me to lose my composure just before I participated in a panel discussion with Robert Verkerk, PhD, Executive Director of the UK based Alliance for Natural Health and Scott Tips, JD, Legal Counsel to the National Health Federation, but he failed," Hammell said. "In our panel discussion, we alerted the Canadian and American people to something Tuck and his allies, including the Natural Solutions Foundation and so called ‘Citizens for Health,’ are trying hard to distract them from: The pending destruction of Canada by the North American Union Dictatorship, and the FDA’s Trilateral Cooperation Charter which is the primary mechanism via which genocidal Codex restrictions are being ushered in to North America.

"After my presentation, our booth was swamped by Canadian vitamin consumers eager to learn what they can do to defend their country from its planned destruction and to protect their access to dietary supplements as the NAU is being used as the mechanism to usher in CODEX."

Hammell is convinced that the same architects of the European Union (EU) "are attempting to shove the NAU down our throats in North America within the next three years."

He insists that Tuck of Friends of Freedom in Canada and Rima Laibow of the Natural Solutions Foundation in the U.S. are effectively helping them do this by distracting vitamin consumers from realizing that globalization, not government agency administrative fiat, is the number one threat to health freedom.

Hammell and IAHF are working with health freedom advocacy groups all over the world, including the National Health Federation, the Alliance for Natural Health, the Dr. Rath Health Foundation, and Freedom in Canadian Health Care. "We recognize the fact that, given the myriad of threats coming at us right now, the only chance we have of defending health freedom is to analyze each threat and assign a level of risk to each one in order not to dissipate our energy," Hammell explained.

FDA guidance furor

Hammell is concerned about what he sees as an orchestrated overreaction to the FDA’s recent announcement that it plans to regulate juices and vitamins as drugs and masseuses’ hands as medical instruments. "For 18 years I have been responding to FDA ‘guidance documents’ and the one discussed in FDA Docket No. 2006D-0480 in the December 2006 Federal Register Notice has been HYPED to the NTH DEGREE by the Natural Solutions Foundation (headed by Laibow) and Tuck. They have managed to con a huge number of people into believing that ‘the sky is falling’ and that ‘unless you flood FDA with complaints by April 30, the world, as we know it, will come to an END!’

"This is simply not true. I have read the entire Guidance Document and it is nothing more than FDA ‘saber rattling,’ mostly over the labeling of dietary supplements."

In all humility, The IO was seduced by the "sky-is-falling" hype that erupted around the FDA guidance document. But Hammell reminded us of the layers of intrigue working in concert to control or eliminate over-the-counter access to high-potency vitamins and supplements. We realized that his assessment is correct and that the process is covertly marching forward under the guise of free trade agreements and globalization.

According to Hammell, "Any time a supposed health freedom group in Canada or America (such as Friends of Freedom and Natural Solutions Foundation) doesn’t lift a FINGER to defend National Sovereignty given a threat as HUGE as the NAU is, that is a DEAD TIP OFF that they’re not your friends."

Hammell added, "Any time a supposed Health Freedom group sues IAHF, (as Tuck is now doing and as Natural Solutions Foundation did to film maker Kevin Miller when he refused to remove the information about CAFTA from "We Become Silent"), you can also be sure they’re not your friends."

Truck out

The IAHF urges everyone to support the national Truck Out April 23-25:
This "TRUCK OUT" intends to paralyze the Washington Beltway and perimeter roads around the Capitals of all 50 states to make national and international news as a means to force the media to cover the threat of the North American Union. This coverage will help us expose the FDA’s lawless participation in the Trilateral Cooperation Charter as if under the presumption that United States and its laws no longer exist.

HR 4282

On November 9, 2005, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) introduced the Health Freedom Protection Act (HR 4282). The short title of the bill states, "[t]o amend the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act concerning foods and dietary supplements, to amend the Federal Trade Commission Act concerning the burden of proof in false advertising cases, and for other purposes."

There were 22 co-sponsors of H.R. 4282 when it was introduced. It will end up dying in November of this year if not revived by citizen demand for its passage.

For more information about globalization, international free trade agreements and health freedom, contact:

IAHF - John Hammell, director

556 Boundary Bay Rd.

Point Roberts WA 98281

USA: 800-333-2553

N. America 360-945-0352

www.StopCodexGenocide.com

The National Health Federation

P.O. Box 688

Monrovia, CA 91017

626-357-2181

www.thenhf.com

SOURCE

What North American Union?

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FOH  posted on  2007-11-19   16:21:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Jethro Tull (#111)

Hanging will work too...

What North American Union?

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FOH  posted on  2007-11-19   16:21:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: scrapper2 (#109)

Few Americans have had any significant contact with the Muslim world whatsoever to render any opinion pro or con as to the particulars of the many cultures and peoples who embrace one of the forms of that Religion. So they rely on the great stupid simplifiers like that Serb Idiot.

And it is quite common to see among the most arrogant and self absorbed people ever- Americans, even the ones who are "anti war" to blame the victim. Yes- maybe they think one of DC's wars is wrong but not because DC is killing innocent people- but it is wasting money killing despicable savages who are dirt people and not worth the cost of the bullets used to kill them.

Such people are one step removed from the ignorant herds of hateful dumb dumbs who support DC's wars of aggrandizement. Some of them are even worse for some of the war supporters actually think DC is trying to "help" the "savages".

Anyway- grin and bear it. Practical politics requires that, on occassion, one has to buy evil a drink to do some good.

The Daily Burkeman1

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-11-19   16:22:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: scrapper2 (#112)

You'll receive no argument from me about how the family reunification immigration policy has brought no benefit to our nation's development. But for me it's not a problem of "slop cultures." It's the fact that the majority of immigrants coming here have zero professional skills/educational specialization that our nation needs. Also we have changed from a melting pot nation to one that celebrates diversity and separateness so immigrants are not encouraged to assimilate.

Well said.

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FOH  posted on  2007-11-19   16:24:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: scrapper2 (#112)

I mostly agree with your comment except to say if I were king all immigration would stop ASAP. My kids are telling me that foreign professionals are coming here on H1B visas not b/c of a need, but more to surplant American workers at a discount rate.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-11-19   16:25:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Jethro Tull (#117)

15yearsleft.com

What North American Union?

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FOH  posted on  2007-11-19   16:27:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: FOH (#106)

CODEX

We've had a few threads on that. Not good. Do keep us up to speed when you see something.

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robin  posted on  2007-11-19   16:27:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: robin (#119) (Edited)

It's going on right now.

Do you know of the NACC (North American Competitiveness Council)?

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What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

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FOH  posted on  2007-11-19   16:30:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Burkeman1 (#115)

Few Americans have had any significant contact with the Muslim world whatsoever to render any opinion pro or con as to the particulars of the many cultures and peoples who embrace one of the forms of that Religion. So they rely on the great stupid simplifiers like that Serb Idiot.

Call me judgmental but when I see a Muslim woman dressed in head to toe black, save for an eye slit, I recoil in shock. I suppose some here would intentionally ignore these costume-clad freaks in the name of tolerance, but I'm not able to do so. There is no power strong enough that could make me have "significant contact" with these aliens.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-11-19   16:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: FOH (#120)

a “cherrypicked group of executives who were whisked to Cancun in March by the leaders of Canada, the U.S. and Mexico, and asked to come up with a plan for taking North American integration beyond NAFTA.”

NAU

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robin  posted on  2007-11-19   16:36:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: robin (#122)

It's all over if we don't stop it/them. They have America in our final throws, save for armed revolution.

I don't see anyone leading that charge...yet.

What North American Union?

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FOH  posted on  2007-11-19   16:38:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Jethro Tull (#121) (Edited)

Call me judgmental but when I see a Muslim woman dressed in head to toe black, save for an eye slit, I recoil in shock. I suppose some here would intentionally ignore these costume-clad freaks in the name of tolerance, but I'm not able to do so. There is no power strong enough that could make me have "significant contact" with these aliens.

Do you have the same "recoil" reactions when you see an Indian woman in a sari or a Haddasic Jew wearing a shtreimel or when you see Catholic nuns with their headress "costumes?" Or is it just when you see Muslims in their traditional garb? Just last week I ran into 2 Muslim ladies in traditional garb in a local H&M store - fyi H&M is like a British version of reasonably priced but more fashion forward Gap. In fact, H&M has stores in Dubai and Kuwait. I don't think that traditional grab is a good judge of "backwardness"/alien or as some here have described Muslims using a broad brush stroke - people caught in the 6th century.

Personally I view ethnic/religious costumery as being more elegant and less jarring to the eye than our own "made in America- yah-hooo!" pop culture garb ie. slut wear for women and gangster wear for men

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-19   17:04:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Jethro Tull (#111)

Let me amend my comment. Anyone who is actively working or supporting the joining of us with Mexico and Canada into a common North American Union needs to be shot, not beaten.

Stalin would approve.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-11-19   17:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Jethro Tull (#121)

Call me judgmental but when I see a Muslim woman dressed in head to toe black, save for an eye slit, I recoil in shock. I suppose some here would intentionally ignore these costume-clad freaks in the name of tolerance, but I'm not able to do so. There is no power strong enough that could make me have "significant contact" with these aliens.

Frankly, I'd be more embarrassed of what passes for female role models in America -- Anna Nicole, Britney, Hillary Clinton, Streisand, Lindsey Lohan.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2007-11-19   17:07:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: scrapper2 (#109)

Your comments are self-revealing.

LOL

Ironically, back at you in spades.

Most of us on this forum don't, and never did, buy into the neocon madness. You're mostly into telling us all about your supercilious, man of the world self .... it seems well beneath you to bother answering points made.

Well guess what? We 'merikans don't give a rat's ass, and are only left to wonder who amongst the PC elitist crowd has been filling your head. Take your goofy stance and board a slow boat to Europe. Arm yourself before you get there.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2007-11-19   17:13:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: aristeides (#125)

Stalin would approve.

So would Washington, Franklin, etc.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-11-19   17:15:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: scrapper2 (#124)

Do you have the same "recoil" reactions when you see an Indian woman in a sari or a Haddasic Jew wearing a shtreimel or when you see Catholic nuns with their headress "costumes?"

Yes on both except the Catholic nun. They've been woven into Americana thanks to Der Bingle and all those Fr. Flannigan, Boys Town movies.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-11-19   17:19:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: iconoclast (#127)

Most of us on this forum don't, and never did, buy into the neocon madness. You're mostly into telling us all about your supercilious, man of the world self .... it seems well beneath you to bother answering points made.

Well guess what? We 'merikans don't give a rat's ass, and are only left to wonder who amongst the PC elitist crowd has been filling your head. Take your goofy stance and board a slow boat to Europe. Arm yourself before you get there.

I've responded to your points/your position. You just don't agree with my responses so don't pretend that I have not answered "points made." For the last few messages you have posted your only "point" has been to insult me. Whatever floats your boat I guess.

As I said earlier, your comments are self-revealing. Keep it up - your remarks are far more unflattering to you than me.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-19   17:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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