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#128. To: aristeides (#125)

Stalin would approve.

So would Washington, Franklin, etc.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-11-19   17:15:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: scrapper2 (#124)

Do you have the same "recoil" reactions when you see an Indian woman in a sari or a Haddasic Jew wearing a shtreimel or when you see Catholic nuns with their headress "costumes?"

Yes on both except the Catholic nun. They've been woven into Americana thanks to Der Bingle and all those Fr. Flannigan, Boys Town movies.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-11-19   17:19:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: iconoclast (#127)

Most of us on this forum don't, and never did, buy into the neocon madness. You're mostly into telling us all about your supercilious, man of the world self .... it seems well beneath you to bother answering points made.

Well guess what? We 'merikans don't give a rat's ass, and are only left to wonder who amongst the PC elitist crowd has been filling your head. Take your goofy stance and board a slow boat to Europe. Arm yourself before you get there.

I've responded to your points/your position. You just don't agree with my responses so don't pretend that I have not answered "points made." For the last few messages you have posted your only "point" has been to insult me. Whatever floats your boat I guess.

As I said earlier, your comments are self-revealing. Keep it up - your remarks are far more unflattering to you than me.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-11-19   17:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: scrapper2 (#112)

But for me it's not a problem of "slop cultures." It's the fact that the majority of immigrants coming here have zero professional skills/educational specialization that our nation needs.

How 'bout the Somalian refugees? There you get two for the price of one. But, the price is high indeed.

In one of my first posts to the thread I stated "strengthen the security of our borders, severely and very selectively limit immigration of Muslims to our county, and strengthen our weakened C.I.A.

Just one of several statements here by me and others that you blithely skipped over in your haste to get to your excessively tolerant mantra.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2007-11-19   17:37:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Burkeman1, scrapper2 (#115)

So they rely on the great stupid simplifiers like that Serb Idiot.

Nice slur .... the Serb idiot PHD has experienced the the rabbit-like expansion of Muslim encroachment close up. But, your very superior view from afar is undoubtedly the correct one.

And it is quite common to see among the most arrogant and self absorbed people ever- Americans, even the ones who are "anti war" to blame the victim. Yes- maybe they think one of DC's wars is wrong but not because DC is killing innocent people- but it is wasting money killing despicable savages who are dirt people and not worth the cost of the bullets used to kill them.

Such people are one step removed from the ignorant herds of hateful dumb dumbs who support DC's wars of aggrandizement. Some of them are even worse for some of the war supporters actually think DC is trying to "help" the "savages".

Interesting. When did you get into mind reading?

Anyway- grin and bear it. Practical politics requires that, on occasion, one has to buy evil a drink to do some good.

Puzzling. Is controlled, intelligent, and legal immigration one of your "evil drinks"?

I must say I was surprised to see you crawl into bed with this shoot-from-the- hip pseudo intellectual.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2007-11-19   18:04:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: scrapper2 (#130)

As I said earlier, your comments are self-revealing. Keep it up - your remarks are far more unflattering to you than me.

Your above the fray, non-responses fool and impress no one.

As you say whatever floats your boat.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2007-11-19   18:11:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: Vitamin Z (#126) (Edited)

Good grief. What is more offensive? Some goo blob stupid American woman in a half shirt with her MacDonald's fed fat belly spilling out over her tight jeans that she has no business on earth wearing considering her rump size or some Persian chick dressed in an aqua blue Gandi sack with a head scarf? Granted- both are eye sores- but if I had to pick one to be my neighbor just on appearence . . . well . . . how do you say "can you spare a cup of sugar" in Farsi?

Maybe because I live in a city- in which I daily have contact with foreigners that I don't get all tizzed up upon seeing them. I have daily contact with Muslims- at my gym all the attendents are muslims- all nice guys and each one of them speaks three or four languages- their "leader" speaks 5. Granted- they ain't the religious type. ANd they make like 10 bucks an hour. On the other hand- not one of them intends to stay in America and is here just to make money for school or to help out their families. My coffee shop is owned by a Muslim couple- the woman complete with head scarf- and she henpecks her husband everyday- it is rather funny.

I have never once felt threatened, ever, by a Muslim. But I have felt threatened by many "native" Americans. From menacing black youth, to skate boarding little white maggot teens who travel in packs, to drunks staggering around looking for fights every thursday to saturday night . . . I have never seen a Muslim squat in a Bank of America ATM entrance and take a dump. Never seen a Muslim beat up another muslim over a sausage at 2AM in the morning.

You know- Dr Fleming of Chronicles Magazine once did a speech at a gathering of "Old Right" conservatives against the war in Iraq and after the speech- a young officer just back from Iraq and a self described born again Christian commented to him that compared to Americans- he believed Iraqis were bettered mannered, more moral, and self respecting in general.

The Daily Burkeman1

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-11-19   18:15:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Jethro Tull (#111)

Let me amend my comment. Anyone who is actively working or supporting the joining of us with Mexico and Canada into a common North American Union needs to be shot, not beaten.

Getting back to the subject of the thread, Glenn Beck will be in Indy for a book signing next Saturday. Our RP meetup coordinator asked that we not hector him about 911, UFO's, or the Bilberbergs, but I didn't see anything about kicking him squa' in the nuts.

Anyone want to hire David Horowitz for a "speaking engagement"? I'll bring my seven iron.

Dear finky FBI agent reading this - it is intended only as humor and in no way constitutes a threat, or even a reasonable facsimile of a threat.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-11-19   18:16:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Burkeman1 (#134)

Good grief. What is more offensive? Some goo blob stupid American woman in a half shirt with her MacDonald's fed fat belly spilling out over her tight jeans that she has no business on earth wearing considering her rump size or some Persian chick dressed in an aqua blue Gandi sack with a head scarf? Granted- both are eye sores- but if I had to pick one to be my neighbor just on appearence . . . well . . . how do you say "can you spare a cup of sugar" in Farsi?

Sure....you’d change your mind if Azarnoosh's goat freed itself and mounted your leftist New England rump one cold, stormy evening. Or maybe you wouldn’t…..

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-11-19   18:22:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Dakmar (#135)

I'll bring my seven iron.

Take your sand wedge for maximum effect.

Open your stance a bit, eyes on the ball(s), full take-a-way, then a nice release at impact, and follow-through.

Gelded in one smooth stroke.

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Lod  posted on  2007-11-19   18:24:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: scrapper2 (#124)

Do you have the same "recoil" reactions when you see an Indian woman in a sari or a Haddasic Jew wearing a shtreimel or when you see Catholic nuns with their headress "costumes?" Or is it just when you see Muslims in their traditional garb?

You should see the looks I get when I walk into a deli decked out in full SS garb.

Just kidding, I would never do that.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-11-19   18:24:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: lodwick (#137)

LOL, what was I thinking?

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-11-19   18:24:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: iconoclast (#132)

But, your very superior view from afar is undoubtedly the correct one.

Yes, it is. As his "experience" with Albanians extrapolated to "Islam" in general is a great big stupid simplification- one that is quite rampant on the reich wing.

I must say I was surprised to see you crawl into bed with this shoot-from- the- hip pseudo intellectual.

That would be the stupid simplifying Serb?

The Daily Burkeman1

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-11-19   18:26:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Dakmar (#135)

I LOVE the word hector when used as a verb. Thank-you. Did u catch Horowitz on Beck's show last week? Back had no clue the guy was raised a communist by his parents (yes folks, in NYC there was/is an active communist party). He fawned all over him since Horowitz is all war all the time.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-11-19   18:28:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: Burkeman1 (#134)

Never seen a Muslim beat up another muslim over a sausage at 2AM in the morning.

No, they just kill their daughters for getting raped.

I hate all this Muslim bashing too, to be honest, but I think multiculturalism is the most moronic bit of social engineering to come along in my lifetime. The stupidity is compounded when extended to cultures with no reciprocity. How well do you think I'd fare walking around Mecca with my shoulder length hair and AC/DC "Highway to Hell" t-shirt?

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-11-19   18:31:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: Jethro Tull (#141)

Saw it on the 'net afterward. Horowitz is a steaming pile of red-diaper goo.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-11-19   18:34:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: Dakmar (#142)

No, they just kill their daughters for getting raped.

Yeah- that is what they do. All of them all over the muslim world- every woman raped is killed by their family. Are you a fucking idiot? I would wager that outside western imposed war zones in the Muslim world- fewer women are murderd in all of "islam" yearly than are murdered in the United States.

You know- I should start a news service. One dedicated to highlighting every fucked up weird ass crime committed by "Christians" and just do that all day long- post story after story of freak Christian cults having sex with 10 year old child brides and murdering pastors, and child molesting priests, and reverends who go on weekend long drug fueled sex sessions with gay prostitutes, of priests who helped committ genocide in Rwanda, or Christian Serb rape gangs- no matter where- no matter how different the motivations, circumstances, or conditions- just reduce all that evil down- to the fact that they are Christains. Like the neocons and Israel firsters do to Muslims all the time- like the "They kill daughters line" you just spewed.

The Daily Burkeman1

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-11-19   18:54:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: Jethro Tull (#136)

leftist New England rump one cold,

Yawn. It is so funny how you stoop to the neocon and reich winger charge of "leftism" just as if you were only a step removed from them . . .

oh right- you are.

The Daily Burkeman1

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-11-19   18:56:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Burkeman1 (#144)

I didn't say it was common, I was just countering your nonsense about how every culture is perfect except ours. If you bothered to continue reading my post you would have seen that I'm sick of the muslim bashing myself, and only said it to show how silly you are.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-11-19   19:00:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: Burkeman1 (#140)

Yes, it is. As his "experience" with Albanians extrapolated to "Islam" in general is a great big stupid simplification- one that is quite rampant on the reich wing.

His stance is squarely based upon the Koran and ME history.

Your "reich" type slurs continue.

Beheadings, female abuse, bomb strapping mad folk and leadership of nations based on on an individuals' memorization of the Koran and Hadith require little in the way of "extrapolation".

Muslim apologists .... now there's a strain.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2007-11-19   19:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: Burkeman1 (#144)

You know- I should start a news service. One dedicated to highlighting every fucked up weird ass crime committed by "Christians" and just do that all day long- post story after story of freak Christian cults having sex with 10 year old child brides and murdering pastors, and child molesting priests, and reverends who go on weekend long drug fueled sex sessions with gay prostitutes, of priests who helped committ genocide in Rwanda, or Christian Serb rape gangs- no matter where- no matter how different the motivations, circumstances, or conditions- just reduce all that evil down- to the fact that they are Christains.

Pat Robertson supports Rudy Julie Annie. Ted Haggard enjoys smoking meth with gay prostitutes. Thus, all Christians must be meth smoking gays who support Julie Annie.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2007-11-19   19:10:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: Dakmar (#146)

Of course I never said every culture is perfect but ours. But it does indeed seem to be the particular practice of Americans to take the worst aspects of foreign cultures and magnify them to the point that that is all they all- pure evil. While at the same time Americans get insane with rage if you dare criticize their culture in any way.

You want to know what is pathetic? It is Americans who are so delusional that they see a few humble muslim women in their head scarves as more of a threat to them than the legions of swaggering illeterate man apes with vocabularies that don't surpass 2000 words that infest this country- home grown.

I don't worry about Habib and Habibiteetee. They don't concern my. They are not the ones who are responsible for my liberty and wealth being drained away. Who is? Stupid infantalized cowardly "America" that is who is responsible.

The Daily Burkeman1

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-11-19   19:11:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: Burkeman1 (#134)

The European experiences (including Britain) along with the 19 arabs on 9/11, along with beheadings by children appear to have come in one ear and gone out the other.

No big thing considering the vacuum in between.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2007-11-19   19:13:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: iconoclast (#147)

Beheadings, female abuse, bomb strapping mad folk and leadership of nations based on on an individuals' memorization of the Koran and Hadith require little in the way of "extrapolation".

Thanks for proving my point.

We are done- I don't truck with dopes. Go to back to El Pee and pee your pants over there with the rest of the Muslim hate mongers.

The Daily Burkeman1

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-11-19   19:14:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: iconoclast (#150)

Yes- thank you for pointing out that debate winning point that Muslims are human.

The Daily Burkeman1

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-11-19   19:17:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Burkeman1 (#149)

If you call me a fucking idiot I tend to get a little pissy - go figure. I personally don't give a rats how muslims dress or how they behave unless it affects me directly. What does piss me off is this constant "Celebrate Multicultural Diversity" social engineering coming from the cultural elites. Many people lie the culture they were raised in, as attested to by Muslims continuing to wear their tradition garb after emigrating to the west. To me, "Promoting Cultural Diversity" is just a PC way of saying "There are too many damned white people, and we aim to change that".

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-11-19   19:19:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: Burkeman1 (#149)

But it does indeed seem to be the particular practice of Americans to take the worst aspects of foreign cultures and magnify them to the point that that is all they all- pure evil. While at the same time Americans get insane with rage if you dare criticize their culture in any way.

Americans are human beings and subject to indoctrination the same as any other human on earth.

It's nothing that rational leadership over a substantial amount of time won't cure. Frustrated badmouthing of fellow citizens and promotion of Balkanization is not the answer.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2007-11-19   19:25:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: TwentyTwelve (#81)

Final Authority is Beck.

I think Final Authority is MadIvan. I say that because they both like to use the term pigphucker to describe those who are against the war.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2007-11-19   19:28:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: Dakmar (#153)

How specifically have you been forced to "Celebrate Multi-whatever diversity"?

Huh?

Now if you are talking about legal nonesense stopping a town from putting up a creche on the commons on Christmas- I am all with you. That is nonesense. But that aint't the fault of some Muslim fresh off the boat.

And the Muslims the ACLU does get to launch some suit are just doing what all Americans are encouraged to do- play the victim. It ain't the Muslims who are to blame for that either. They are being used for the larger purpose of eroding community and locality and replacing civil society with just . . . the federal government. Instead of allowing people to work out and accomodate their differences on their own (like ethnic groups in this country had to do 50 years ago)- the Federal Governments demands it be the arbitraitor. It insinuates itself between groups as the judge and jury. And the result is what you express . . . resentment and distrust. And the effect of the Federal government promoting "diversity" is actually to promote balkinization (which is the goal so they can have jobs forever in the "diversity field.")

The point is- you have the wrong bad guy. It isn't Ali and Apu who are to blame. It is the government that seeks to be the middle man between us that is to blame.

The Daily Burkeman1

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-11-19   19:31:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Burkeman1 (#152)

Yes- thank you for pointing out that debate winning point that Muslims are human.

Never denied it.

But that does not make them candidates for forced conversion to the "democratic" wet dream of a half-witted born-again drunk.

Leave them alone ...... a few centuries or so of benign neglect by the all- knowing western powers and we might be surprised by what God has wrought.

But pretending that they are not presently a scary bunch of ill-educated victims with seriously medieval doctrines is beyond madness, and thinking they can make that leap by a pollyannish open door policy is grand delusion.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2007-11-19   19:42:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: Burkeman1 (#156)

You are saying damned near the same thing I did, what's the problem? As far as your first question, there are constant calls from mass media, academia, and government to "celebrate diversity". A couple months ago one of our city council members was yammering on public access TV about how my neighborhood needed to be more diverse, and they planned on giving tax credits for minority families to move here. They must have meant Mexicans, because this neighborhood is already about 40% black. I think what he was really wanting wanting was removal of blacks from some of the neighborhoods downtown so his rich white buddies could have a shorter drive to work and not be forced to live around "those horrible negroes". If he wants more "diversity", he's always free to move his sorry ass to The Meadows.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-11-19   19:49:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: christine (#156)

I found this photo today at truthaction.org http://truthaction.org/ss/popup.php? src=albums/111107/hr/111107LA-10.jpg&w=800&h=532&title=111107LA-10.jpg

"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2007-11-19   19:49:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: Burkeman1 (#145)

Yawn. It is so funny how you stoop to the neocon and reich winger charge of "leftism" just as if you were only a step removed from them .

And you remain a pompous Boston fag, one minority mugging away from reality.

May the fleas from Sahib’s camel infest your armpits and short curly ones.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-11-19   19:52:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: Dakmar (#158)

TV about how my neighborhood needed to be more diverse, and they planned on giving tax credits for minority families to move here. They must have meant Mexicans, because this neighborhood is already about 40% black.

And then, when the race riot erupts between blacks and Mexicans as a result of the resentment and distrust these social engineering schemes produced- that same talking head politicain or bureaucrat will come on teevee (with no one pointing at him as the blame at all) and tell us how we need more of the same race based solutions - like "hate crime" laws.

The Daily Burkeman1

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-11-19   19:56:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: Burkeman1, Dakmar (#156)

The point is- you have the wrong bad guy. It isn't Ali and Apu who are to blame. It is the government that seeks to be the middle man between us that is to blame.

You came so close there, but PC kept you from hitting the bull's eye.

My hands are always dirty, but my conscience is always clean.

Esso  posted on  2007-11-19   20:03:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: scrapper2 (#99)

We should expect to pay more $ for it and why not?

If you're talking short term, of course we should honor our agreements. I don't think it would take 10 years to pump enough oil down from Prudhoe bay and drill in the Everglades. That could be done in months.

A multi-pronged investment in becoming self-sufficient and independent of ME oil within the next 10 years is the way to go in my opinion.

I agree. I'm disappointed in the Bush administration's promise to research fuel cell technologies. They've been so preoccupied with this high-tech war that they've been unable to deliver on those commitments.

buckeye  posted on  2007-11-19   20:10:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: scrapper2, iconoclast, Zipporah, wbales (#102)

I'm very much pro-melting pot as opposed to multi-culturalism.

I'm not. While I tend to agree with Ron Paul that federal attention to religion and race are collectivist, I also think it is collectivist to engage in blatant social engineering by meshing new cultures into ours without respite.

Given several generations, the cultures we've assembled here in America today starting around the time of WW1 and increasing after the 1965 Immigration Act (which went hand in hand with the Civil Rights Act) would assimilate.

Right now I think we're at the limits of what this 100 year laboratory experiment can sustain. Crime statistics and the increasing loss of English as our exclusive language should be indicators of this. The ruling elite thinks otherwise, and I see that you do, too. I'm just not in agreement here. I speak out against it when asked. Once here, all human beings are my brothers and sisters. Before inviting them, I'd like to set some strict limits. It takes measurable time and financial resources to integrate newcomers. We have encountered limits and we're exceeding them now. In the interest of the common good, and the success of those already here, it's time to stop most immigration for a while.

Ron Paul does not agree with me here, and I still support him for President. In all of this, the common enemy is tyrannical powers held by government in gross violation of our Constitution. But failure to close our borders and the wholesale import of third world peoples into our society are reflections of that loss of representation. We are and will be paying more and more for this.

buckeye  posted on  2007-11-19   20:31:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: Esso (#162) (Edited)

You came so close there, but PC kept you from hitting the bull's eye.

Kind of like Kieth Olbermann.

adding: PC or something else.

adding more: Burkeman1 bozo'ed me about 2 years ago on this forum because I had the audacity to MENTION the Protocols of Zion. I reciprocated and it remains to this day..

Register to vote for Ron Paul NOW.

wbales  posted on  2007-11-19   20:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: scrapper2, Burkeman1, buckeye, All (#102)

P.S. Re: your fears about Sharia Law use in the West - it's my understanding that it would be used much like Orthodox Judaic Law is currently used - to resolve family legal disputes and it would only be applied if all parties consent. Fyi, in Canada for example one of the most vocal supporters of Sharia Law implementation in one of the provinces was the Jewish community.

For those that equate Rabbis to Imams .... and other such drollery

My next to last word on the matter

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2007-11-20   15:49:40 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: scrapper2, Burkeman1, buckeye, All (#166)

Last word, the accompanying editorial:

Article published Tuesday, November 20, 2007 Your petro-dollars at work

STRAIGHT from the news pages, here’s a case of Middle Eastern justice that ought to be pondered by Americans as they fill up their cars with gasoline made from Saudi Arabian oil.

After being raped about 18 months ago, a Saudi woman was sentenced to 90 lashes for having been sitting in a car with an unrelated man when she was kidnapped and assaulted.

When the woman’s lawyer appealed and complained publicly about the severity of the sentence, the court increased the penalty to 200 lashes. And added six months in jail.

That’s right. Under the Saudi legal code, based on a strict version of Islamic law known as Wahhabism, female victims of crime are punished along with the real offenders, in this case a band of seven men.

This woman’s crime, although we are loathe to dignify use of that word, was meeting privately with a man who was not her husband or a family member.

Her lawyer’s offense was pointing out the injustice, which the court then turned against the victim by increasing her punishment.

We shouldn’t have to point out — but we will anyway — that the raw barbarism and misogyny represented in this case are abhorrent to and incompatible with virtually every precept of modern Western thought and ideals, especially when masquerading as a foundation for law that governs the everyday life of human beings.

The fact that the United States, which gets at least 15 percent of its oil from Saudi Arabia, indirectly subsidizes and perpetuates these cruel practices under the repressive Saudi government only makes them more repugnant.

The woman in question was 19 when she was raped, reportedly by a gang of men, who kidnapped her from a car where she was talking to a former boyfriend about return of some photographs.

She and the ex-boyfriend, who also was sexually assaulted, originally were sentenced to 90 lashes each, harsh even by the standards of Saudi courts, which legal sources say typically prescribe 60 to 80 lashes for adultery. But adultery was not alleged. As for the attackers, the New York Times reported that their sentences ranged from ten months to five years and 80 to 1,000 lashes. Their prison terms also were lengthened after the case went public.

Not surprisingly, further public comment on the case has been muted inside Saudi Arabia. The tribal kingdom does not pretend to be a democracy and the medieval treatment of women in its society is well known.

But we’d be remiss if we failed to point out that the leaders of a nation with a system of justice that countenances such cruel and unusual punishments should not be surprised when westerners categorize them as uncivilized and culturally backward.

The American people, meanwhile, are caught between distaste for anti-democratic governments abroad and their own nation’s shameful reliance on imported oil, much of it from the Middle East, for transportation.

Perhaps such policy failures would be more meaningful if motorists, the next time they fill up their gas tank, would envision a woman barely in her 20s facing 200 lashes for no crime at all.

That’s the way American petro-dollars are being put to work in some of the darker corners of the world.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2007-11-20   16:00:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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