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Title: Debunking the Truthers Again
Source: environmentalrepublican
URL Source: http://environmentalrepublican.blog ... /debunking-truthers-again.html
Published: Nov 18, 2007
Author: environmentalrepublican
Post Date: 2007-11-18 15:21:04 by longnose gar
Keywords: twoofers, cue spooky music, the joos did it
Views: 1162
Comments: 35

We've all read the Popular Mechanics study on the collapse of the Twin Towers, they painstakingly explained in plain English how the towers fell floor upon floor. That's not been enough for the "Truthers" who still are fixated on the collapse of both towers and WT 7.

Another magazine--Structure (link in PDF)-- has joined in the debunking and shows in perfect detail the "kinking" of the penthouse on the north side and the subsequent dropping of the penthouse that started the entire collapse. I'm no engineer but the explanation makes sense as to why the buildings collapsed inward and down and didn't fall over or fall in some other manner.

Of course the idiot Truthers will not buy into this because, just as global warming zealots have done, they've developed a cottage industry and they aren't about to agree with any rational explanation that would be presented.

Is it any surprise that these morons and Ron Paul supporters have united?

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#5. To: longnose gar (#0)

Is it any surprise that these morons and Ron Paul supporters have united?

Is it any surprise that those that don't understand basic physics swallow whatever propaganda they are given, and then try to tell everyone else they're smarter than them?

Here's some REAL experts that you might want to listen to..

Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-18   16:07:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: FormerLurker (#5)

A peer reviewd ENGINEERING study, dumbass. You people are too stupid to be allowed reproduction abilities.

http://winterpatriot.pbwiki.com/f/seffen_simple_analysis.pdf

Conclusion:

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These comments attest to the similarities between the collapse sequences of both WTC towers despite their quite different initial conditions. And it is noted that progressive collapse, when wrought, is quite ordinary and regular and not due to extraordinary, possibly conspiratorial, influences.

longnose gar  posted on  2007-11-18   21:08:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: longnose gar (#29)

A peer reviewd ENGINEERING study, dumbass. You people are too stupid to be allowed reproduction abilities.

The renowned and respected experts listed at the link I posted in post 5 are vastly more credible that the one individual you cite. In fact, I don't see any "peer review" of his paper, has it even been published?

Look over the comments of the true experts in post 5, and you'll see that your theory is invalid.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-18   22:17:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: FormerLurker (#32)

Take a look at your list of idiots. I have no idea of what the political motivations of these clowns are, but if these fools are so certain there is some sort of government plot, then where is there peer reviewed paper documenting the engineering and physics of what they believed happened? The source I gave you noting the cause of the collapse was a peer reviewed engineering study, not just some clueless fools blathering opinion.

Twoofer are the biggest idiots.

longnose gar  posted on  2007-11-19   9:17:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: longnose gar (#33)

Take a look at your list of idiots. I have no idea of what the political motivations of these clowns are, but if these fools are so certain there is some sort of government plot, then where is there peer reviewed paper documenting the engineering and physics of what they believed happened? The source I gave you noting the cause of the collapse was a peer reviewed engineering study, not just some clueless fools blathering opinion.

You gave a link to some unknown clown's paper, where nowhere have I seen his credentials, and nowhere have I seen his paper published. You provide no peer- review, you simply state that it's so.

Try again clown.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-19   12:49:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: FormerLurker (#34)

It is published in Structure magazine:

http://www.structuremag.org/

See the first article.

And as for his credentials:

Ramon Gilsanz, P.E., S.E is a partner at Gilsanz Murray Steficik, a structural engineering and building envelope consulting firm. Ramon has 25 years of experience in a wide range of project types and sizes as well as being involved in the cleanup at ground zero, the selection of WTC steel remnants for analysis, the ACSE-FEMA WTC report, and the ensuing NIST report.

Now what has your group of moron twoofer architects published?

Keep in mind:

Real expert: Someone with advanced degrees and official licenses in the topic of discussion along with many years of experience. Referred to by twoofers as a "government shill."

Twoofer expert: Someone who just makes knee jerk, off the cuff remarks suggesting some kind of government plot.

longnose gar  posted on  2007-11-19   13:19:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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