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Title: Watching The Train Wreck
Source: 4um
URL Source: [None]
Published: Nov 22, 2007
Author: Original_Intent
Post Date: 2007-11-22 18:16:17 by Original_Intent
Keywords: None
Views: 3976
Comments: 64

Having been banned from Liberty Post hasn't stopped me from visiting occaisionally, watching the animals feed, and being alternately saddened and amused. Thus the title of this thread as watching what is occurring is like watching a Train running into a Sewer.

With some of their chief opponents gone the 'bots and shills seem to be redoubling their efforts to load El Pee down with various types of noxious effluvium. A quick look at the "topics" under discussion, now that only anti-Ron Paul Threads are allowed, reads like a pornucopia of Spin, Disinformation, and more Spin. While some of the titles seem superficially interesting when one deals with the substance of the debates there is largely no substance. What you see is the various, 'bots, shills, and paid spin artists dominating and presenting only the "approved" Party Lyin', engaging in incivility and flame, and providing a degree of substance that would not be out of place on a Third Grade Playground. Yukon is there with the usual Party Lyin' and personal attacks, 'botshiller is present and accounted for posting anti-freedom pro-Israel Spam - again no substance just vituperation. All working together to turn El Pee into even more of a sewer of hate, disinformation, and vacuity.

Of course there are still a few decent people there trying to hold ground agains the various disinformation artistes' but largely they are making the mistake of trying to simply convince the 'bots to see reason. Agenda Posters, and paid shills, could care less about reason. It is not part of their mandate. They are there to "catapult the propaganda" and to PREVENT substantive reasoned debate. Evidently Goldi-Pox approves as primarily the only people she has banned were people standing up on principle and presenting reasoned arguments (of course since those arguments addressed the reasons for her imposition of censorship she did find them discomfiting, but she lacks the courage and integrity to address them forthrightly).

I really should thank Goldi-Pox for banning me and getting me out of her private sewer. She is quite welcome to wallow in the filth. I guess it takes all kinds although their reason for existence does sometimes seem elusive.

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#2. To: Original_Intent (#0)

I really should thank Goldi-Pox for banning me and getting me out of her private sewer. She is quite welcome to wallow in the filth.

Oh so this is what you're giving thanks for on Thanksgiving?! :P

Zipporah  posted on  2007-11-22   18:25:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Zipporah (#2) (Edited)

No, setting around while I wait for things to cook and then spring into action.

What this little rant/diatribe was inspired by was a visit to El Pee while I taking a break from cooking, and it just struck me, after visiting a few threads where I found the topic of interest, from reading the commentary and posts of the various people just how hostile Liberty Post is to intelligent and reasoned discourse. It was alternately maddening and saddening. So much potential, so wasted. As well, while I am not bitter about it, observing who gets banned and who doesn't says much about Goldi and the kind of forum El Pee is increasingly morphing into. It is not a pretty scene. It is a hostile battleground in opposition to rational and reasoned discourse, and one must assume that is what she wants because that IS what she is creating.

And besides, since she visits here whether she will admit it or not, I couldn't resist needling her a little bit to stimulate her atrophied sense of decency.

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-11-22   18:40:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Original_Intent (#6)

and it just struck me, after visiting a few threads where I found the topic of interest, from reading the commentary and posts of the various people just how hostile Liberty Post is to intelligent and reasoned discourse.

Not trying to be disrespectful, but that's exactly what many of us learned from FreeRepublic about a week after 911.

Dakmar  posted on  2007-11-22   18:45:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Dakmar, FormerLurker (#7) (Edited)

and it just struck me, after visiting a few threads where I found the topic of interest, from reading the commentary and posts of the various people just how hostile Liberty Post is to intelligent and reasoned discourse.

Not trying to be disrespectful, but that's exactly what many of us learned from FreeRepublic about a week after 911.

Oh, that's fine. However, I did not start posting anywhere until after 911. I think it was the obviousness of the fact that the only thing that accounted for all of the evidence was "inside job".

Since then I've been wised up just a tad. El Pee has had some ups and downs, but until recently it was pretty much a free speech forum and I enjoyed making monkeys out of the 'bots and using them to make my own points while underscoring the ridiculousness of the Party Lyin'. However, the current scene at Liberty Post is degenerating even further into a 1984 type forum. With the banning of myself and 2012 the balance has been tilted in favor of the 'bots. I suspect that either Goldi is going schizoid, has been dishonest for some time, or both.

My only amusement is that I lasted as long as I did without Goldi finding some pretext to get rid of me.

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-11-22   20:13:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Original_Intent (#30)

My only amusement is that I lasted as long as I did without Goldi finding some pretext to get rid of me.

I'm surprised you lasted there as long as you did.

As far as the cesspool we fondly refer to as ElPee, looking at it from a spectator's viewpoint really opens your eyes and makes you wonder why anyone would want to visit that forum these days. It's no better than FreeRepublic, in fact it's worse as the bots and disruptors have even more latitude in what they can get away with.

With Goldi's recent bannings and censorship, we've gained some good people from her forum, and the influx of new voices makes this forum stronger.

Her loss, our gain.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-23   13:58:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: FormerLurker, Pinguinite, TwentyTwelve (#60)

As far as the cesspool we fondly refer to as ElPee, looking at it from a spectator's viewpoint really opens your eyes and makes you wonder why anyone would want to visit that forum these days. It's no better than FreeRepublic, in fact it's worse as the bots and disruptors have even more latitude in what they can get away with.

As well that Goldi is playing a hidden game becomes more apparent. I suspected as much for some time, but the latest dust-up pretty well confirms it. Whether one of her own devising or by direction from above she is busily making intelligent discussion impossible. Note that the various 'bots and disruptors are never banned - particularly if they are an Israel Firster.

I would have left a long time ago if I didn't enjoy 'bot tossing and throwing the hypocrisy of her Golden Calf, Israel, back in her face.

With Goldi's recent bannings and censorship, we've gained some good people from her forum, and the influx of new voices makes this forum stronger.

Her loss, our gain.

That just has to frost her Brass plated gizzard - doubly so since we have the freedom to illustrate her hypocrisy and dishonesty and she can do nothing to halt it.

With Neil McIver/Pinguinite holding her feet to the fire she doesn't know whether to shit or go blind. If she bans him, which I am sure she would love to do, it makes it obvious that what she is engaging in is censorship of a political view - which is diametrically opposed to the misrepresentation on El Pee's Home Page.

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