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Title: The New Inquisition Against 9/11 Truth
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URL Source: http://redpill8.blogspot.com/2007/1 ... w-inquisition-against-911.html
Published: Nov 24, 2007
Author: redpill8
Post Date: 2007-11-24 07:08:22 by Kamala
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Thursday, November 22, 2007

The New Inquisition Against 9/11 Truth

On November 6, CSPAN aired a hearing of the Homeland Security Subcommittee's "Terrorism and the Internet" which stated purpose was to attempt to identify and focus on the use of the internet by "home grown terrorist recruiters." The hearing was chaired by California democrat Jane Harman, sponsor of the infamous HR 1955, "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007", and ranking Republican, Rep. Dave Reichert.

This event generated quite an uproar in the 9/11 Truth and civil liberties communities because of testimony by panelists conflating two very distinct and unconnected groups -- the 9/11 truth movement with jihadi terrorists. What generated the most buzz -- and condemnation -- was a powerpoint demonstration from Mark Weitzman of the Simon Weisenthal Center, whose powerpoint presentation titled "Internet: Incubator of 9/11 Conspiracies and Disinformation" showed a video of building 7 collapsing as well as a screenshot of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth's website in between websites which featured bomb-making techniques and a terrorist's training manual.

For anyone who has visited ae911truth.org you will see that Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth is as far from a terrorists' recruitment website as you can get. Just click on the "About Us" button you will read this copy:

"We are a non-partisan association of Architects, Engineers, and affiliates, who are dedicated to exposing the falsehoods and to revealing truths about the 'collapses' of the WTC high-rises on 9/11/01.

We call upon Congress for a truly independent investigation with subpoena power. We believe that there may be sufficient evidence to conclude that the World Trade Center buildings #1 (North Tower), #2 (South Tower), and #7 (the 47 story high-rise across Vessey St.) were destroyed not by jet impact and fires but by controlled demolition with explosives.

We believe that this website, as well as the other referenced sites, contains the information necessary to demonstrate to all with an open mind that this is the case, and that such an investigation is warranted and overdue. We believe that the available relevant evidence casts grave doubt on the government's official story of these 'collapses'.

Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth are encouraged to take an active role by reporting the results of their research on 9/11 by means of lectures, articles, and methods of disseminating the truth about the 9/11 WTC building 'collapses'."

Then there is a picture of Richard Gage, AIA, founder of AE 9/11 Truth and his professional biography.

Scary, huh?

So, What were they thinking? Why would more than 200 architects and engineers who are calling on Congress to hold an independent investigation as to what really happened to the Twin Towers and WTC Building 7 get associated with islamic extremists?

It has become painfully obvious that when Glenn Beck (a CNN host who recently said that Truthers were of the same ilk as Oklahoma City bomber, Timothy McVeigh) and a Homeland Security subcommittee do a smear job on Truthers they are doing so not because they are violent, or because their ideas are helping to recruit terrorists, but because they are threatening to the whole "War on Terror" agenda -- an agenda foisted on us by the military industrial complex and their corporate sponsors.

Like in the Middle Ages, Beck and Harman are fulfilling the role of the Church's Inquisitors by persecuting and prosecuting those who do not willingly submit to the "War on Terror" religion, which demands that we accept Osama bin Laden and "Islamofascists" as the Devil incarnate, and George W. Bush and the State as our personal Savior. According to Beck and Harman, If you lack the faith, and can't quietly hold your tongue in your disbelief, then the state has no room for you in polite society. Off to Gitmo you go to get tortured and be redeemed by the fascist rod of righteousness.

So, we need to think of Harman's committee as nothing more than a modern day witch hunt -- a panicky attempt to shore up support for a crumbling corporatists' consensus.

We have seen these kinds of repressive tactics countless times before in history -- from the Espionage and Sedition Acts during WWI, to the McCarthy's Red Scare in the 50s, to Cointelpro in the 60s and 70s. But this time the stakes are much higher as there is no end to the War on Terror as you can't have war on an abstract idea. As long as people are being repressed and are fighting back to preserve their freedoms and lives, this state will call them "terrorists," thus, the perpetual rational to keep repressing people, thus constantly creating new terrorists, thus keeping the cycle going; i.e., the war that will not end in our lifetimes.

We need to see that these attacks on Truthers, or anyone else who threatens the status quo (like Ron Paul and his supporters) as nothing more than a battle of ideas -- ideas that have the ultimate power to shape the world we want to live in. It is imperative that We The People build this world and not a criminal elite who are driven solely by power and profits.

This demands that we must make a choice: either that we live as free people or we live as slaves to a corporatist's state that will demand our riches and our blood in perpetual war. There is only one choice to be made. The other will be made for you.

Though Jane Harman's Homeland Security Inquisition and the cable news attacks by Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly on Truthers are scary to many, they are also a good sign as well. The mythmakers are seeing their flimsy house cards fall apart by the rigorous logic and analysis on sites like AE911truth.org. As a consequence, Truthers are winning the battle over hearts and minds and, as a result, going through the final stages that Gandhi said will happen when challenging the status quo:

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."

We are very close to winning.

For an excellent write up on this issue, see:

State Terror: H.R. 1955 a Weapon of Mass Destruction of Civil Liberties

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#1. To: all (#0)

This kind of thing is truly disturbing. It is clear that the Bush administration and those who support its fascists trends want to outlaw and vilify those Americans who question the 9-11 official story. Polls of Americans consistently show that upwards of 2/3 of Americans do not believe the official version and do believe that George Bush at a minimum knew ahead of time about those attacks.

These people really are Nazis, and they threaten everything our country has stood for the past 220 years.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-11-24   7:22:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Kamala (#0) (Edited)

Part 1 of many

"Paper is poverty,... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1788. ME 7:36

noone222  posted on  2007-11-24   8:10:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Kamala (#0)

Part 1 of many 10 minute videos.

"Paper is poverty,... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1788. ME 7:36

noone222  posted on  2007-11-24   8:12:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Paul Revere (#1)

I don't believe the official story one bit, primarily because it omits cruicial facts that were well-known (e.g. the role of the "Wall" memo) and the members of the commission all had grave conflicts of interest.

However, that doesn't mean that just any alternative explanation is correct, or even close to correct. I don't buy this "controlled demolition" stuff for a second, claims from a handful of architects and engineers notwithstanding. I have a very skeptical eye on any professional claims to authority, especially after all the "scientists" who push global warming as a man-made phenomenon. Being credentialed is no barrier to being a barking moonbat.

thoughtomator  posted on  2007-11-24   10:36:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: thoughtomator (#4)

Being credentialed is no barrier to being a barking moonbat.

That's true. And the official govt explanation does not pass a simple high-school physics test.

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robin  posted on  2007-11-24   11:00:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: thoughtomator (#4) (Edited)

moonbat

Why don't you grow the eff up and stop talking like a retard douchebag.

nobody  posted on  2007-11-24   11:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: robin (#5)

High school physics do not contain the tools to make the necessary calculations. It's been a long time since I was in college, but I can state with confidence that the mathematics involved alone are at a minimum 3rd-year engineering major undergraduate level (possibly higher, given the degradation of education over the years). If someone has told you they can prove an assertion on this matter using only high-school physics they are lying outright to you.

thoughtomator  posted on  2007-11-24   11:29:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Kamala (#0)

We are very close to winning.

Winning what?

Widespread acceptance?

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-11-24   11:33:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: thoughtomator, Robin (#7)

I can prove it using simple statistics. What is the probability that a fire that is less than 900 degrees can melt all of the steel girders connecting to all of the floors at the same time (within 2.5 seconds of each other)?

1) The fire in WTC 7 did not reach 900 degrees because the windows would have started to pop out when it got to 800 degrees. Look at the collapse videos at www.WTC7.net .

2) Give me your personal estimate of what the probability is that 47 steel girders connecting one given floor all melt (requiring a temperature of 2,800 degreees) at the same time when there is no fuel source in the central core ot Tower 7 which by design had no carpets, drapes and wooden furniture as fuel? And it did not have jet fuel either as Tower 7 was not hit by a plane.

3) Take your estimate for proposition two and calculate the probabilty of that happening 47 times in succession without an exception. Suppose your low ball estimate that all 47 steel girders melted at one floor level within two seconds of each other was 1/100. Now take that number 1/100 and multiply it by itself 47 times. Your answer is the reiprocal of 10 to the 94th power which is the odds of WTC 7 being a coincidence or something other than either a controlled demolition or some other kind of preplanned explosion. As you probably kmow, 10 to the 94th power is such a low probabilty that you would have better odds of picking a winning powerball lottery ticket and then doing it again next week.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2007-11-24   12:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: thoughtomator (#7)

Rick Siegel's video from Hoboken pier on 9/11

www.911eyewitness.com/

www.911eyewitness.com/videos01.html

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robin  posted on  2007-11-24   12:15:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: thoughtomator (#7) (Edited)

physics911.net/

http://www.journalof911studies.com/

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robin  posted on  2007-11-24   12:20:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Horse (#9)

If you start with erroneous assumptions, you will get erroneous answers. Or, alternatively, if you start with an erroneous answer and work your way back to the starting conditions necessary to produce that answer, you'll produce conditions that are incorrect.

I recommend that you consult the Popular Mechanics examinations of these theories for an alternative view.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1

thoughtomator  posted on  2007-11-24   12:21:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: thoughtomator (#12)

OMG! You expect us to read what the dual-citizen Michael Chertoff's cousin wrote?!

The cousin who pretended at first not to be related to the head of DHS?!

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robin  posted on  2007-11-24   12:23:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: robin (#13)

You believe what you choose to believe. There are plenty of other sources to which you can refer which provide engineering explanations that don't require elaborate conspiracies nor rely on anti-scientific selectivity of evidence.

While I can see we don't really agree on much, one thing we do agree on is that Ron Paul is far and away the best choice for our next President. If you do not believe me, then perhaps you will believe him:

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/120338.html

Reason: The position of the Student Scholars is that 9/11 was executed by the U.S. government. Do you agree or disagree with that?

Paul: I'd say there's no evidence of that.

thoughtomator  posted on  2007-11-24   12:44:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: thoughtomator (#14)

There are plenty of other sources to which you can refer which provide engineering explanations that don't require elaborate conspiracies nor rely on anti-scientific selectivity of evidence.

There is nothing anti-scientific about the high-school physics involved in demonstrating that the govt explanation of 9/11 is laughable.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!

robin  posted on  2007-11-24   12:51:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: robin (#15)

As I have said repeatedly, I don't believe the government explanation either. However, I find the conspiracy theories to be even less plausible.

thoughtomator  posted on  2007-11-24   12:59:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: thoughtomator (#14)

I believe that some inner-circle within the Bush administration must have been involved with the orchestration of 9/11 and the mainstream media cover-up that followed.

The CIA "family jewels" are proof that our govt is capable of heinous acts against its own citizens (including 4 year olds). If you missed the mainstream media summer release of what the CIA was up to in the 50s and 60s, you should do some simple research by googling "CIA 'family jewels'".

A strong belief in "Coincidence Theory" and lack of knowledge of basic physics are required to swallow the Bush administration's official story of 9/11. Most Americans simply haven't bothered to do any homework about it; they remain unaware as the Bush administration wants them to remain.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!

robin  posted on  2007-11-24   13:00:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: thoughtomator (#12)

Quoting Popular Mechanics would be equal to quoting US/OK/People magazine or Entertainment Tonight on CBS.

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2007-11-24   15:42:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: robin (#15) (Edited)


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-24   15:49:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: thoughtomator (#14)

There are plenty of other sources to which you can refer which provide engineering explanations that don't require elaborate conspiracies nor rely on anti-scientific selectivity of evidence.

1) Do you believe a 110 story building can possibly collapse at or near the same speed as a ball dropped from the top of the building would fall through thin air?

2) Do you believe that a 757 can fly straight and level with it's engines three feet off the ground at 600 mph, and not so much as scrape the ground even though flown by a novice that couldn't land a Cessna at a normal landing speed?


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-11-24   15:50:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: thoughtomator (#16)

Press For Truth

video.google.com/videoplay? docid=3979568779414136481

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2007-11-24   16:26:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: thoughtomator (#16)

Improbable Collapse : The Demolition of our Republic

video.google.com/videoplay? docid=3979568779414136481

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2007-11-24   16:31:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: robin (#5)

Notice how the shill attempts to link 911 controlled demolition and the global warming debate.

angle  posted on  2007-11-24   16:34:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: thoughtomator (#12)

Popular Mechanics was penned by DHS.

angle  posted on  2007-11-24   16:35:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: thoughtomator (#14)

My position is that 911 was executed by the Israeli government and allowed to happen by ZOG, the Zionist Occupation Government. It was ZOG that covered up the OKC bombimg and the Kennedy assassination.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2007-11-24   23:18:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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