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Title: Can You Trust the Bible?
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Published: Nov 30, 2007
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Post Date: 2007-11-30 12:50:27 by richard9151
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Proverbs 14:15; A fool will believe anything; smart people watch their step. Today's English Version. The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going. The King James Study Bible The simple believes every word : but the prudent man betakes himself to after-thought. The Septuagint from the Original Greek and including the English translation. Anyone inexperienced puts faith in every word, but the shrewd one considers his steps. New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures. I have mentioned that I have 12 Bibles, and the above is a good example of why. The meanings of the words become much clearer after reading three or more translations. Each translation is complete within itself, but..... so much clearer when several are used. Not to mention the errors that show up. I find it curious as to how many people talk about the Bible, and their opinions of it, when they have not read it. Yet, they talk as if the opinions that they have, which came from others and not from their own research and understanding, somehow mean something. Nothing could be further from the Truth, and, most opinions about the Bible are the same; nothing could be further from the Truth. That, my friends, is a shame. Why? Because of all of the books ever written, only the Bible has stood the test of time, and, it has done so because it has proven to be trustworthy. How so? Because only a fool would go through life blindly accepting everything he hears, basing his decisoins and actions on frivolous advice or baseless teachings. If you think about it, this is exactly what has happened to America. Get yer new credit card here and enjoy the American lifestyle to the fullest! Get yer second mortgage here and deduct that interest from your taxes so you can have all the things you crave! Get yer drugs here! Get yer fast food here! Send yer kids here (school-movies-whatever) so you are not bothered! Get yer new cable channels here! Subscribe to ------------ so you can learn all about the world! And on and on endlessly.... and most Americans buy into the programs. Why? Because they no longer have a moral base by which to judge right from wrong. Instead, they have been programmed to accept the non-sense that comes from the widely distributed (garbage) books, the telly, and the government controlled education system. Yet, in most homes, unopened, is the answer to their problems. The Bible. BUT.... the Bible is not what you have been told that it is, which is why so much of it is banned from what YOU think of as Christian churches. Why do you permit that? The Bible is the most widely distributed book in history, The World Book Encyclopedia. From Awake, November, 2007; Over 500 years ago, the German inventor Johannes Gutenberg began printing with movable type. The first major book to come off his press was a Bible. Since then, billions upon billions of books on every subject imaginable have been printed. The Bible, however, is by far the most exceptional of them all. It is estimated that more than 4.7 billion Bibles (in whole or in part) have been printed. That is more than five times the number of copies of the next most widely distributed publication; Quotations from Chairman Mao. More than 50 million copies of the Bible or portions of it were distributed recently in one year alone. "The Bible is the best-selling book of the year, every year," says a report in The New Yorker magazine. In whole or in part, the Bible has been translated into more than 2,400 languages. At least some of the Bible is available in the languages spoken by over 90 percent of the human family. About half of the Bible writers finished their writings before the birth of both Confucius, the renowned Chinese sage, and Siddhartha Gautama, the founder of Buddhism. The Bible has endured bans by governments, vurnings by religious opposers, and attacks by critics. No other bookn in history has faced greater opposition -- and survived. The above facts are ourstanding, but impressive details and statistics alone do not prove that the Bible is trustworthy. Here are five reasons why millions of people are convinced that the Bible is worthy of trust. 1. Historical Soundness. No one has ever successfully challenged the historical accuracy of the Bible. It refers to real people and real events. 2. Candor and Honesty. The Bible writers were honest men who wrote with openness of heart. Their candor gives their writing the clear ring of truth. My note; the above is particularly important. The historical record confirms that, as today, ancient rules NEVER permitted a record made of their defeats or shortcomings. We learn of such only form their enemies. However, the Bible writers openly admit their errors and misgivings. This is really an important and refreshing difference. 3. Internal Harmony. Imagine asking 40 men from varied backgounds to write a book, each writing a section. The writers live in a number of lands and do not all know one another. Some do not know what the others have written. Would you expect a book thus produced to be harmonious? The Bible is such a book. (The Bible is a collection of 66 books, or subdivions, starting with Genesis and ending with Revelation.) Written under even more unusual conditions than those described above, its internal harmony is nothing less than profound. Uniqe Circumstances. The Bible was written over a span of some 1,600 uyears, from 1513 B.C.E. to about 98C.E. Many of the approxiamately 40 writers thus lived centuries apart. Their occupations were varied. some were fishermen, others were shepherds or kings, and one was a physician. A harmonious message. The Bible penmen developed one central theme; the vindication of God's right to rule mankind and fulfillment of his purpose by means of his heavenly Kingdom, a world government. Agreement on details. The Bible writers agreed on even minute details, but often this harmony was clearly unintentional. 4. Scientific Accuracy. Science has made great strides in modern times. As a result, old theories have given way to new ones. What was once accepted as fact may now be seen as myth. Science testbooks often need revision. The Bible is not a science textbook. Yet, when it comes to scientific matters, the Bible is noteworthy not only for what it says but also for what it does not say. Free of unscientific views. Many mistaken beliefs gained wide acceptance in ancient times. Views about the earth ranged from the idea that it was flat to the notion that tangible substances or objects held it aloft. Long before science learned about the spread and prevention of disease, physicians employed some pratices that were ineffective at best, lethal at worst. But not once in its more than 1,100 chapters does the Bible endorse any unscientific views or harmful practices. Scientifically sound statements. Some 3,500 years ago, the Bible stated that the earth is hanging "upon nothing." (Job 26:7) In the eighth century B.C.E., Isaigh clearly referred to "the circle [or, sphere] of the earth." (Isaiah 40:22) A spherical earth held in empty space without anyt visible or physical means of support -- does not that sound remarkably modern? Written about 1500 B.C.E., the Mosaic Law (found in the first five books of the Bible) contained sound laws regarding quarentining of the sick, treatment of dead bodies, and disposal of waste. -- Leviticus 13:1-5; Numbers 19:1-13; Deuteronomy 23:13, 14. Even though it is an acient book and touches on many subjects, the Bible contains no scientific inaccuracies. 5. Fulfilled Prophecy. The Bible is filled with predictions, or prophecies. Its record, as documented by history, is clear. Bible prophecy is always right. Distinguishing features. Bible prophecies are often specific and have been fulfilled down to the smallest of details. They usually involve matters of great importance and predict the opposite of what those living at the time of the writing might have been expecting. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The above details came from a Special Issue of the Awake! This issue is titled, Can You Trust the Bible? If you wish a copy, it is probably available, as it is freely printed and distributed by www.watchtower.org. On average, each issue of Awake is printed in 80 languages in 34,267,000 copies. I have stated before that I am not a Jehovah's Witness. However, from what I have read, they, BY FAR, come closest to my understanding of the Bible, BASED on my own research and reading. And I find that many of their tracts are very accurate and Scriptually correct. Now, the question that I have for you is.... are you reading the Bible, or, is the non-sense of the United States really that much more important? As I have stated before, I have no debt. Why? Because I read the Bible. Pretty well sums it all up for me.
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#31. To: richard9151 (#21)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Richard you are full of bulls**t. Many Vedas have been dated. Have you ever taken a course in languages, archeology, theology or even basic history? Sanscrit is the oldest language, of which Semetic, Greek, and Latin languages were born. Nobody with an iota of understanding of language, denies that Sanscrit was the first language. Of which mantras to this day are repeated and trusted daily. Tat Tvam Asi, for example. Or, San Kalpa. Have you heard of the Cradle of Civilization? That's a wonderful place for you to begin your journey of understanding. Education yourself, as your credibility in sinking. Maybe you should refreign from compartive religious commentary until you have actually eductated yourself beyond the Bible. Just because the Bible is YOUR only truth, doesn't make it true for the rest of humanity. Ask any Swami, Guru or Bhodisattva if you don't believe me.
interesting point. however, i will bet at some point in mans past some dumbass managed to get himself enwhaled.
Gypsy woman said to me, one thing you must bear in your mind: The Core, Eric Clapton
Since you are such a scholor on the Bible, I'd like you to clear up a few blatant contradictions in the text for me. Kings 16: 6-8 Bashaw died in the 26th year of King Asa's reign. Chronicles 16:1 Bashaw built a city in the 36th year of King Asa's reign. How did he do that? Kings 16:23 Omri became king in the 31st year of Asa's reign and he reigned for a total of 12 years (up to the 43rd year of Asa's reign) Kings 16: 28-29 Omri died, and his son Ahab became king in the 38th year of Asa's reign. How is that possible? 1 Chronicles 3:19 Pediah was the father of Zerubbabel. Ezra 3: 2&3 : 8 Shealtiel was the father of Zerubbabel. 2 Kings 9:27 Jehu shot Ahaziah near Ibleam. Ahaziah fled to Meggido and died there. 2 Chronicles 22: 9 Ahaziah was found hiding in Samaria, brought to Jehu, and put to death. Explain that one. This is just the tip of the iceburg on Biblical contradiction, which doesn't bode where for blind trust. 2 Chronicles 22:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle_of_civilization This article is about society beginnings. For the beginning of humanity before writing, see History of the world. For other uses, see Cradle of Humankind (disambiguation). In the history of the world, the cradle of civilization is a title claimed by several regions. It refers to the original location of the development of writing, complex social systems, and cities. In fact it is likely that there was more than one independent origin of civilization rather than a single "cradle". Specifically, the civilizations in the Amercias are typically understood to have emerged independently from those in Eurasia. Debate is also complicated by the difficulty of clearly defining when a culture becomes a "civilization". The extent to which there was significant influence of early civilizations in the Fertile Crescent and East Asia on each other is debated. There are five rivers that scholars cite as being possible locations for the 'Cradle of Civilization.' They are: the Tigris-Euphrates in modern day Iraq, the Nile in Africa, the Indus in South Asia, and the Huang-He-Yangtze in China. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Second off, it is Sanskrit, not Sanscrit. Then; http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Sanskrit 1 : an ancient Indo-Aryan language that is the classical language of India and of Hinduism 2 : classical Sanskrit together with the older Vedic and various later modifications of classical Sanskrit — see indo-european Indo–European languages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages The Indo-European languages comprise a family of several hundred related languages and dialects,[1] including most of the major languages of Europe, the northern Indian subcontinent (South Asia), the Iranian plateau (Southwest Asia), and much of Central Asia. Indo-European (Indo refers to the Indian subcontinent) ... ... 4500–4000: Early PIE. Sredny Stog, Dnieper-Donets and Samara cultures, domestication of the horse. (The early presence of the horse at Sredny Stog has been discredited as decisive—genetic evidence does not supply a single origin for the domesticated horse.) ... ... ... 1500–1000: The Nordic Bronze Age develops (pre-)Proto-Germanic, and the (pre-)Proto-Celtic Urnfield and Hallstatt cultures emerge in Central Europe, introducing the Iron Age. Proto-Italic migration into the Italian peninsula. Redaction of the Rigveda and rise of the Vedic civilization in the Punjab. Flourishing and decline of the Hittite Empire. The Mycenaean civilization gives way to the Greek Dark Ages. 1000 BC–500 BC: The Celtic languages spread over Central and Western Europe. Northern Europe enters the Pre-Roman Iron Age, the formative phase of Proto- Germanic. Homer initiates Greek literature and early Classical Antiquity. The Vedic civilization gives way to the Mahajanapadas. Zoroaster composes the Gathas; rise of the Achaemenid Empire, replacing the Elamites and Babylonia. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Actually, if you read the timeline supplied, it sounds surprisingly Biblical. Well, actually, not to me, you understand.... the surprising part that is. Now, who is it that believes only that which they wish to believe? Ummm, you did note the reference to Babylonia above, correct? And the time reference to Vedic. Actually, within the limits of dating anything in history, I find nothing that conflicts with what I have said. But then, having read rather throughly on these subjects, I knew that already. And if you follow this subject further, it becomes more and more easy to accept that there is a common source for all languages spoken on the earth, just as their has been shown to be a common source for the writings of every religion on the earth. For reference, see Two Babylons.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Really? Ever hear of Israelites? Particularly since the letter j did not exist until about 250 years ago? And you should be careful what you say about the Old Testament, as you are, once again, making a liar out of Jesus Christ. Who quoted from the Old Testament. and a lot of collections of mythology and folklore Such as what? You need to be specific when you say things like that, and not simply make unsupported allegations. Perhaps that is a term you have heard somewhere before....... But if you do that, prepare to take some heat Trust me, I can handle it. If the Rabbis heard the words of God they'd be stoned to death Here is another problem that you have; the Rabbis had nothing to do with writing the Bible. Have they had more than a little to do with changing how people think about the Bible, and, what people believe about the Bible? YOU BET!! That should make you stop and think for just a moment.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
I was born and raise Christain and have taken Bible study classes and have read the Bible, yes. And I don't give a rip how much older your Bible is then the Koran, as it is, the Bible excludes allot of gospels, and the Gnostic outlook and writings were pro-actively destroyed and percecuted by those that like this 88 book abrided Bible you like so much. I respect it as writing for your faith, but I reaffirm that I have zero use for the Bible. I see people mis-interpret the Bible for their own political agenda all the time, and I am extremely tired of that, and have zero tolerence or patience for that game.
On this point we do agree. In fact, God can be broken down to one syllable-ah-- which is found in God, Krishna, Shiva, Buddha, Yahwah, Ra and several more. If you can accept that all religions flourish grow from the same root, why is one branch of the tree more trustworthy than another? Why would you discard all other branches as inferior, when all grow from the same light? Do forgive my spelling error of Sanskrit. I must be more careful, thanks for keeping me in check.
So where is China in all of this? China developed completely independently of anything else on the planet.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
taoist immortals. enough said.
Gypsy woman said to me, one thing you must bear in your mind: The Core, Eric Clapton
China has been written out of history in the West. They discovered America long before Columbus, proven with DNA, but still get no credit. Must have something to do with that Red Menace thing. We're just supposed to trust in all things Biblical, even if it defies logic, science, history and the truth.
I apologize; I forgot that those were the rules!
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
The burden of proof is on YOU, not me, to establish the stories are true. You can't, but the burden is on you, nevertheless. You maintain they are true. You have the duty to prove that. You fail to recognize that ALL your beliefs about the Bible are merely yours. They're beliefs. They're not facts, and they'll never be facts. You live in a mythical world that exists only in your head, but you think it's the world God created. It's not. It's your fabrication.
This thread demonstrates clearly what we all know: that the most ignorant among is the one most convinced of the rightness of his own religious beliefs. This is common. Religion thrives on ignorance and lack of intelligence, and this thread is a clinic in that topic. Most hard core Bible thumpers are ignorant rubes who know only the things other zealots have told them. They use the Bible and ignore anything that predates it. They don't even know how it was written, or more importantly, how it was edited.
Many of them of them even try to deny that they got it from the Catholic Church since they hate the Vatican so much. The complete and utter ignorance of history is incredible among most so-called "Bible Christians" and a gross number of so-called "apologetics" works are utter hogwash and easily refuted with a Funk and Wagnalls. The most recent one I was handed said that the Orthodox Church came into being at the Reformation in the 1500s.....and that the Catholic Church came into being in 800AD....but that this particular group of Baptists had been around since 33AD. Never mind that the Baptists came into being post-Reformation as any Enyclopedia will tell you. Quite honestly, in regards to the Bible, it really does seem that a lot of them think it fell from the sky already translated into English for them and that an argument for the "King James" version is that it has no copyright! Jeez!
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
The Judeo-Christian Conflict: Zionism vs. Jesus Charles E. Carlson Christian Zionism is a growing enigma to traditional Christians and to non-Christians alike. Most of those inside its churches are very certain of what they believe, but they are not at all sure why they believe it. It is this author’s conclusion, based on personal observations at some 60 churches where Project Strait Gate has confronted and interviewed congregation and staff, that none of the dispensational or Judeo-Christian inside can open a New Testament and support what they believe from its pages. Most will not try. This paper is dedicated to the friends and families of some 60 million Americans who are in this dilemma. The problem for Christ followers in Judeo-Christian churches is that their belief system varies depending on who is in the room, and what the subject is. If the subject is personal salvation for those who are present, Jesus Christ is the king, and His word is law, however many passages are avoided. But, whenever the subject is the state of Israel, or any news topic having to do with Zionism, or Jews in general, Jesus is left out in the street. There can be little or no room left for Him because political Zionists, secular American Jews or Israelis, have zero tolerance for Jesus. Israel and Jesus, mix like oil and water.
The most recent one I was handed said that the Orthodox Church came into being at the Reformation in the 1500s.....and that the Catholic Church came into being in 800AD....but that this particular group of Baptists had been around since 33AD. Never mind that the Baptists came into being post-Reformation as any Enyclopedia will tell you. Quite honestly, in regards to the Bible, it really does seem that a lot of them think it fell from the sky already translated into English for them and that an argument for the "King James" version is that it has no copyright! Jeez! Yes, most devotion to the Bible is based on ignorance. It was created by the Catholic Church, which had almost a complete monopoly on Christianity for over 1000 years. If Henry VIII had not been a horn dog who made the mistake of marrying the daughter of the king and queen of Spain, we would very likely NOT have the Protestant faith as we know it today. Most Christians think there have been protestant like churches for 2000 years, which is absurd, of coure.
thanks for that random thought
hell, ive got a pic of a dude who got his head stuck in an elephants ass, so odds are, weird shit will eventually happen. lol!
that made me burst out laughing
i enjoyed the heck out of this thread.
Mission accomplished then.
Good!
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
Personally, I liked the part of the Bible where God flooded the planet to kill off all of the alien/human hybrids. It reminds me of The X-Files, and the redhead on that show is the hottest female alive.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
Where did I say that? Please, point it out to me. Also, where have I stated that YOU MUST READ THE BIBLE!!!! ? I have made the point that I find it extremely amusing and silly for people who have never read the Bible to make comments about what is in it. Or, about what the Bible really means when it says something. And, this post is about Can you trust the Bible, not about conversion. What you do with your beliefs is your own personal business, and it is only between you and God. I have nothing to do with that; I have no power and do not wish for any power to change you; you, just as I, must make your own progress through this world and change as you are guided to change. You will find, if you are around any Christians.... real Christians, that is the general manner in which they approach this. Make info available, and permit people to choose. Now, as to one branch of the tree being more trustworthy than another... are you also claiming that the fruit of the mystery religion of Babylon is to be trusted? Which is, by the way, the power behind the New World Order.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Yes, the thumpers don't really like to talk about the days when gods came down and took human wives, and their offspring ruled the world. Gods??!! More than one? And why was it so bad then, and so great when God implanted Mary? Oh well, details!!
You are joking..... right? Does not even rate in the top 100!!!!
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Listen carefully, Ricky Retardo, and maybe you'll stop making this mistake. You continually accuse those who disagree with your wacky beliefs as not having read the Bible. We've read it. We understand it a lot better than you do. Would you like to know who you really are, what your beliefs really mean? You are like those Star Wars nerds who obsess over every Star Wars movie, as if it were real. That's you and the Bible. You lack comprehension. You read, but you cannot understand. You actually believe you're reading FACTS, not tall tales or someone selling something. The Bible is a library of books, and it is only a small portion of the books written about Hebrews or early Christians. Most of the Torah is STOLEN. It isn't original. It was ancient when the scraggly tribe of illiterates called Hebrews first stole it.
Basically, everything outside of, or at least adjacent to, the Roman Empire was written out of history as understood in Europe, and it was that way until the knowledge that there were other areas, and peoples, became so well known that it could no longer be denied. And this is not to say that the religious leaders, i.e., the Roman church, were unaware of the other parts of the world. After all, I suspect that they had/have access to at least a portion of the Alexandria library. Even today there is so little written about the tribes that occupied eastern Europe and Russia in the history books of the west (or at least of the United States) that most people have no clue as to where they came from; must be that everyone is Italian, Spanish, Greek, Gaul or something in between. Yet none of those people supplied the groups that settled Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, or Russia (as examples). So, why should we be surprised that China was left out?
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Excellent post; thank you. Makes perfect sense. Today, nearly nothing that is preached in the so-called Christian churches comes from the Bible.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
The Catholic church has its own Bible. The errors in the King James Bible are readily admitted by most Christains. I have very good source books which show where translations come from, and what they are based on; i.e., the most trusted sources dating from before the year 200. As I have stated, I have 12 Bibles, and check versus to verify, not trusting to any one translation. Works pretty well, and, I have identified errors in several Bibles doing that. The fact is that most copies of the Bible that I use DID NOT come from the Roman church. That being said, I do still use my King James Study Bible.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Good. Glad to hear that. The Bible sure does bring the talkers out, does it not? When I post/start one of these threads, I am always tempted to end the post with; AND NOW LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!!
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
The table of contents did -- after being edited by Martin Luther.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
Not hardly. Since a large portion of the people who have lived accept them as true, and since anyone who has tried to prove them false has failed, why should the burden fall on me? That is your problem; not mine. You fail to recognize that ALL your beliefs about the Bible are merely yours. They're beliefs. They're not facts, and they'll never be facts. There are constantly more and more proofs about the men and events written into the Bible being discovered. Since you have no interest in finding such, permit me to guide your steps; http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/home.html Reliability of the Bible—In what ways have archaeological discoveries verified it? Answer Translations available: Indonesian, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, Swedish How does archaeology conclusively demonstrate the Bible to be reliable and unique among all the holy books of world religions? Answer Confirmation of Biblical events—Is there any from written sources outside the Bible? Answer A number of extra-Biblical confirmations show that the Bible may be more accurate than many believe. Translations available: French, Indonesian, Portuguese, Spanish, Swedish Burial Sites—Have the graves of any people in the Bible been found? Answer A look at archeological discoveries of the tombs of many biblical figures. Translations available: French, Indonesian, Portuguese, Spanish AMD ETC. At the above link, where it says answer, that is a live link to the answer. Oh, and there are more items just like the above at this site. http://www.ucgstp.org/lit/gn/gn004/gn004f05.htm The Bible and Archaeology How Archaeology Confirms the Bibilical Record Scholars have queued up to ridicule the biblical accounts as mere myth. A tug of war continues between scoffers and believers in the inspiration and accuracy of the Bible. by Mario Seiglie The above is quite an interesting site. Enjoy. http://www.christcenteredmall.com/discoveries/index.htm This is quite an interesting site, and has info about giants (Nephilim) as well as many other discoveries, many recent. http://agards-bible-timeline.com/q9_historical_proof_bible.html "The Amazing Bible Timeline" ... The Smithsonian Department of Anthropology has this to say about the Bible. “Much of the Bible, in particular the historical books of the old testament, are as accurate historical documents as any that we have from antiquity and are in fact more accurate than many of the Egyptian, Mesopotamian, or Greek histories. These Biblical records can be and are used as are other ancient documents in archeological work. For the most part, historical events described took place and the peoples cited really existed. This is not to say that names of all peoples and places mentioned can be identified today, or that every event as reported in the historical books happened exactly as stated.” You should probably be pretty careful with this site; may give you heartburn. Shall I continue? I can, probably for a couple of more pages, so, if you wish, just ask.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
And...... your point is? There have been a lot of men involved in deciding what books to include in the Bible, and not just those of the Roman church. This includes Jesus Christ who quoted from the Old Testament. And not every one of my Bible follows the Roman church's formula. Not even close.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
You should try this site; http://www.christcenteredmall.com/discoveries/index.htm This is quite an interesting site, and has info about giants (Nephilim) as well as many other discoveries, many recent.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
My point is that you got your Bible from the Catholic Church. Like it or not, the Councils determined the canon that went into it. That's history. You got your Bible from the Catholic Church. Period. Here's a nice book for you to read about all of this. Written by a Protestant of all things: America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
Blasphemy!
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
Judging by the posts it seems the "bible" and what it says is still a cause of ones interpretation having been one that was born Church Of England as all good British colonists were my parents thought a Catholic Boarding school would straighten me out ( I still have scars to prove this) needless to say I have always been a confused christian my hippy years did not help the fact I'm not a atheist at this point in my life is a miracle. The one book that helped me more than any other was Thomas Jeffersons Bible based on the article below I am not the only one Jesus Without The Miracles Thomas Jefferson's Bible and the Gospel of Thomas ERIK REECE / Harper's Magazine v.311, n.1867 1dec2005 Back when the WHAT WOULD JESUS DO bracelets were appearing on the wrists of young people all around the country, I found myself in an argument with an old friend, a fellow Virginian who, like me, is the lapsed son of a Baptist preacher. We had both fallen pretty far, far enough to spend many nights together in the local Irish pub, putting away Guinness and commiserating about how the Church had crippled our spirits and misunderstood our complicated souls. The crux of our argument was over the bracelets' merit and utility. My friend saw them as just another example of hollow piety. For my part, I said it would indeed be a positive step if Christians actually began to follow the teachings of the founder. http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/...ithout-Miracles1dec05.htm
You know I stop reading your posts after the first couple of lines, don't you? I would never waste my time reading one of your long, pointless posts. I did that a few times, until I figured out you're brain damaged. Then I stopped. And yes, Retardo, the burden is on YOU. Just because your view is shared by the ignorant and idiotic doesn't make it true. As humans, we have had to advance in spite of the ignorant and superstitious, whom you represent well. Remember when the earth was flat? Remember when the sun revolved around the earth? Remember when goblins, not germs, caused illness? Stick your army of ignorant assholes up yours.
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#32. To: richard9151 (#23)
No one can establish a date for the Vedas, much less for Sanskrit, which is the language they were written in. And Sanskrit had to come first, and as I showed, Sanskrit has a common heritage with Greek and Latin. The original language of the first five books of the Bible is older than both.
#33. To: Alan Chapman (#22)
You are young and you are free, but damned if youre deceased in your own lifetime.
#34. To: richard9151 (#0)
#35. To: abraxas, mirage, farmfriend (#32)
Have you heard of the Cradle of Civilization?
#36. To: ghostdogtxn (#31)
The Old Testament was written exclusively by Jewish priests.
#37. To: richard9151 (#10)
#38. To: richard9151 (#35)
And if you follow this subject further, it becomes more and more easy to accept that there is a common source for all languages spoken on the earth, just as their has been shown to be a common source for the writings of every religion on the earth.
#39. To: richard9151 (#35)
#40. To: mirage (#39)
You are young and you are free, but damned if youre deceased in your own lifetime.
#41. To: mirage (#39)
So where is China in all of this?
#42. To: abraxas (#41)
We're just supposed to trust in all things Biblical, even if it defies logic, science, history and the truth.
#43. To: richard9151 (#15)
Well, since no one has been able to prove that such stories are false, that means I am in pretty good company
#44. To: All (#43)
#45. To: Paul Revere (#44)
They don't even know how it was written, or more importantly, how it was edited.
#46. To: Paul Revere (#44)
#47. To: mirage (#45)
Many of them of them even try to deny that they got it from the Catholic Church since they hate the Vatican so much. The complete and utter ignorance of history is incredible among most so-called "Bible Christians" and a gross number of so-called "apologetics" works are utter hogwash and easily refuted with a Funk and Wagnalls.
#48. To: Sodie Pop (#5)
#49. To: gengis gandhi (#19)
I think that somewhere along the lines of millenia, odds are that some fool did manage to get swallowed by a whale.
#50. To: christine, gengis gandhi (#49)
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#51. To: farmfriend (#50)
#52. To: richard9151, Paul Revere, Alan Chapman, gengis gandhi, ghostdogtxn, mirage, abraxas, farmfriend, robnoel (#51)
#53. To: christine (#51)
that made me burst out laughing
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#54. To: christine (#52)
i enjoyed the heck out of this thread.
#55. To: richard9151 (#0)
#56. To: abraxas (#38)
why is one branch of the tree more trustworthy than another?
#57. To: orangedog (#55)
#58. To: orangedog (#55)
and the redhead on that show is the hottest female alive.
#59. To: richard9151 (#56)
I have made the point that I find it extremely amusing and silly for people who have never read the Bible to make comments about what is in it.
#60. To: abraxas, mirage (#41)
China has been written out of history in the West.
#61. To: robnoel (#46)
Christian Zionism is a growing enigma to traditional Christians and to non-Christians alike.
#62. To: mirage (#45)
Many of them of them even try to deny that they got it from the Catholic Church
#63. To: christine (#52)
i enjoyed the heck out of this thread.
#64. To: richard9151 (#62)
The fact is that most copies of the Bible that I use DID NOT come from the Roman church.
#65. To: Paul Revere (#43)
The burden of proof is on YOU, not me, to establish the stories are true.
#66. To: mirage (#64)
The table of contents did -- after being edited by Martin Luther.
#67. To: orangedog (#55)
to kill off all of the alien/human hybrids
#68. To: richard9151 (#66)
And...... your point is?
That's how it is. 
#69. To: richard9151 (#58)
You are joking..... right? Does not even rate in the top 100!!!!
#70. To: richard9151 (#61)
#71. To: richard9151 (#65)
(Edited)
Not hardly. Since a large portion of the people who have lived accept them as true, and since anyone who has tried to prove them false has failed, why should the burden fall on me? That is your problem; not mine.
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