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Title: Can You Trust the Bible?
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Published: Nov 30, 2007
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Post Date: 2007-11-30 12:50:27 by richard9151
Keywords: Bible, law, trustworthy
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Proverbs 14:15; A fool will believe anything; smart people watch their step. Today's English Version.

The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going. The King James Study Bible

The simple believes every word : but the prudent man betakes himself to after-thought. The Septuagint from the Original Greek and including the English translation.

Anyone inexperienced puts faith in every word, but the shrewd one considers his steps. New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures.

I have mentioned that I have 12 Bibles, and the above is a good example of why. The meanings of the words become much clearer after reading three or more translations. Each translation is complete within itself, but..... so much clearer when several are used. Not to mention the errors that show up.


I find it curious as to how many people talk about the Bible, and their opinions of it, when they have not read it. Yet, they talk as if the opinions that they have, which came from others and not from their own research and understanding, somehow mean something.

Nothing could be further from the Truth, and, most opinions about the Bible are the same; nothing could be further from the Truth. That, my friends, is a shame.

Why? Because of all of the books ever written, only the Bible has stood the test of time, and, it has done so because it has proven to be trustworthy.

How so?

Because only a fool would go through life blindly accepting everything he hears, basing his decisoins and actions on frivolous advice or baseless teachings. If you think about it, this is exactly what has happened to America.

Get yer new credit card here and enjoy the American lifestyle to the fullest!

Get yer second mortgage here and deduct that interest from your taxes so you can have all the things you crave!

Get yer drugs here!

Get yer fast food here!

Send yer kids here (school-movies-whatever) so you are not bothered!

Get yer new cable channels here!

Subscribe to ------------ so you can learn all about the world!

And on and on endlessly.... and most Americans buy into the programs. Why? Because they no longer have a moral base by which to judge right from wrong. Instead, they have been programmed to accept the non-sense that comes from the widely distributed (garbage) books, the telly, and the government controlled education system.

Yet, in most homes, unopened, is the answer to their problems.

The Bible.

BUT.... the Bible is not what you have been told that it is, which is why so much of it is banned from what YOU think of as Christian churches. Why do you permit that?

The Bible is the most widely distributed book in history, The World Book Encyclopedia.

From Awake, November, 2007;

Over 500 years ago, the German inventor Johannes Gutenberg began printing with movable type. The first major book to come off his press was a Bible. Since then, billions upon billions of books on every subject imaginable have been printed. The Bible, however, is by far the most exceptional of them all.

It is estimated that more than 4.7 billion Bibles (in whole or in part) have been printed. That is more than five times the number of copies of the next most widely distributed publication; Quotations from Chairman Mao.

More than 50 million copies of the Bible or portions of it were distributed recently in one year alone. "The Bible is the best-selling book of the year, every year," says a report in The New Yorker magazine.

In whole or in part, the Bible has been translated into more than 2,400 languages. At least some of the Bible is available in the languages spoken by over 90 percent of the human family.

About half of the Bible writers finished their writings before the birth of both Confucius, the renowned Chinese sage, and Siddhartha Gautama, the founder of Buddhism.

The Bible has endured bans by governments, vurnings by religious opposers, and attacks by critics. No other bookn in history has faced greater opposition -- and survived.

The above facts are ourstanding, but impressive details and statistics alone do not prove that the Bible is trustworthy. Here are five reasons why millions of people are convinced that the Bible is worthy of trust.


1. Historical Soundness. No one has ever successfully challenged the historical accuracy of the Bible. It refers to real people and real events.

2. Candor and Honesty. The Bible writers were honest men who wrote with openness of heart. Their candor gives their writing the clear ring of truth.

My note; the above is particularly important. The historical record confirms that, as today, ancient rules NEVER permitted a record made of their defeats or shortcomings. We learn of such only form their enemies. However, the Bible writers openly admit their errors and misgivings. This is really an important and refreshing difference.

3. Internal Harmony. Imagine asking 40 men from varied backgounds to write a book, each writing a section. The writers live in a number of lands and do not all know one another. Some do not know what the others have written. Would you expect a book thus produced to be harmonious?

The Bible is such a book. (The Bible is a collection of 66 books, or subdivions, starting with Genesis and ending with Revelation.) Written under even more unusual conditions than those described above, its internal harmony is nothing less than profound.

Uniqe Circumstances. The Bible was written over a span of some 1,600 uyears, from 1513 B.C.E. to about 98C.E. Many of the approxiamately 40 writers thus lived centuries apart. Their occupations were varied. some were fishermen, others were shepherds or kings, and one was a physician.

A harmonious message. The Bible penmen developed one central theme; the vindication of God's right to rule mankind and fulfillment of his purpose by means of his heavenly Kingdom, a world government.

Agreement on details. The Bible writers agreed on even minute details, but often this harmony was clearly unintentional.

4. Scientific Accuracy. Science has made great strides in modern times. As a result, old theories have given way to new ones. What was once accepted as fact may now be seen as myth. Science testbooks often need revision.

The Bible is not a science textbook. Yet, when it comes to scientific matters, the Bible is noteworthy not only for what it says but also for what it does not say.

Free of unscientific views. Many mistaken beliefs gained wide acceptance in ancient times. Views about the earth ranged from the idea that it was flat to the notion that tangible substances or objects held it aloft. Long before science learned about the spread and prevention of disease, physicians employed some pratices that were ineffective at best, lethal at worst. But not once in its more than 1,100 chapters does the Bible endorse any unscientific views or harmful practices.

Scientifically sound statements. Some 3,500 years ago, the Bible stated that the earth is hanging "upon nothing." (Job 26:7) In the eighth century B.C.E., Isaigh clearly referred to "the circle [or, sphere] of the earth." (Isaiah 40:22) A spherical earth held in empty space without anyt visible or physical means of support -- does not that sound remarkably modern?

Written about 1500 B.C.E., the Mosaic Law (found in the first five books of the Bible) contained sound laws regarding quarentining of the sick, treatment of dead bodies, and disposal of waste. -- Leviticus 13:1-5; Numbers 19:1-13; Deuteronomy 23:13, 14.

Even though it is an acient book and touches on many subjects, the Bible contains no scientific inaccuracies.

5. Fulfilled Prophecy. The Bible is filled with predictions, or prophecies. Its record, as documented by history, is clear. Bible prophecy is always right.

Distinguishing features. Bible prophecies are often specific and have been fulfilled down to the smallest of details. They usually involve matters of great importance and predict the opposite of what those living at the time of the writing might have been expecting.

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The above details came from a Special Issue of the Awake! This issue is titled, Can You Trust the Bible? If you wish a copy, it is probably available, as it is freely printed and distributed by www.watchtower.org. On average, each issue of Awake is printed in 80 languages in 34,267,000 copies.

I have stated before that I am not a Jehovah's Witness. However, from what I have read, they, BY FAR, come closest to my understanding of the Bible, BASED on my own research and reading. And I find that many of their tracts are very accurate and Scriptually correct.

Now, the question that I have for you is.... are you reading the Bible, or, is the non-sense of the United States really that much more important?

As I have stated before, I have no debt. Why? Because I read the Bible. Pretty well sums it all up for me. Subscribe to *Bible facts*

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#9. To: richard9151 (#0)

I respect the Bible much as I do the Torah or Koran as the valued writings of important major religions, but I have no particular use for it.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-11-30   14:19:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ferret Mike (#9)

but I have no particular use for it.

But that begs the question, Mike; have you even read it? And if, as I suspect, you have not, how can you make such a statement?

Understand also that the Torah is the first five books of the Bible, and the Bible is about 1000 years older than the Koran.

richard9151  posted on  2007-11-30   14:22:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: richard9151 (#10)

The Hindu scriptures are even older than that.

mirage  posted on  2007-11-30   14:39:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mirage (#11)

The Hindu scriptures are even older than that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_scripture

Literature regarded as central to the Hindu literary tradition were predominantly composed in Sanskrit, ....

The Vedas form the oldest layer of Sanskrit literature[1] and the oldest sacred texts of Hinduism.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit

Sir William Jones, speaking to the Asiatic Society in Calcutta (now Kolkata) on February 2, 1786, said:

The Sanskrit language, whatever be its antiquity, is of a wonderful structure; more perfect than the Greek, more copious than the Latin, and more exquisitely refined than either, yet bearing to both of them a stronger affinity, both in the roots of verbs and in the forms of grammar, than could possibly have been produced by accident; so strong, indeed, that no philologer could examine them all three, without believing them to have sprung from some common source, which, perhaps, no longer exists.

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Not hardly. The common root goes back to Babylon. In fact, every major language on earth shows a common link; means they all came from the same place.

richard9151  posted on  2007-11-30   14:49:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: richard9151 (#14)

From here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedas

The Vedas are arguably the oldest sacred texts that are still used.
The Vedas predate the Bible.

mirage  posted on  2007-11-30   15:22:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: mirage (#20)

arguably

Do you understand the word, arguably?

No one can establish a date for the Vedas, much less for Sanskrit, which is the language they were written in. And Sanskrit had to come first, and as I showed, Sanskrit has a common heritage with Greek and Latin. The original language of the first five books of the Bible is older than both.

As I said, try the book, Two Babylons. The author of that book goes right back to the original texts of most major religions to show how they had a common beginning, with a single God, and that the non-sense of multiple gods came later when the priests took over.

That common beginning was in Babylon, but suit yourself. If you would rather believe what the adherents of any religion would like you to believe, you are welcome to that.

richard9151  posted on  2007-11-30   15:41:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: richard9151 (#23)

No one can establish a date for the Vedas, much less for Sanskrit, which is the language they were written in. And Sanskrit had to come first, and as I showed, Sanskrit has a common heritage with Greek and Latin. The original language of the first five books of the Bible is older than both.

Richard you are full of bulls**t. Many Vedas have been dated. Have you ever taken a course in languages, archeology, theology or even basic history? Sanscrit is the oldest language, of which Semetic, Greek, and Latin languages were born. Nobody with an iota of understanding of language, denies that Sanscrit was the first language. Of which mantras to this day are repeated and trusted daily. Tat Tvam Asi, for example. Or, San Kalpa.

Have you heard of the Cradle of Civilization? That's a wonderful place for you to begin your journey of understanding. Education yourself, as your credibility in sinking. Maybe you should refreign from compartive religious commentary until you have actually eductated yourself beyond the Bible. Just because the Bible is YOUR only truth, doesn't make it true for the rest of humanity. Ask any Swami, Guru or Bhodisattva if you don't believe me.

abraxas  posted on  2007-11-30   17:12:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: abraxas, mirage, farmfriend (#32)

Have you heard of the Cradle of Civilization?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle_of_civilization

This article is about society beginnings. For the beginning of humanity before writing, see History of the world. For other uses, see Cradle of Humankind (disambiguation).

In the history of the world, the cradle of civilization is a title claimed by several regions. It refers to the original location of the development of writing, complex social systems, and cities. In fact it is likely that there was more than one independent origin of civilization rather than a single "cradle". Specifically, the civilizations in the Amercias are typically understood to have emerged independently from those in Eurasia. Debate is also complicated by the difficulty of clearly defining when a culture becomes a "civilization". The extent to which there was significant influence of early civilizations in the Fertile Crescent and East Asia on each other is debated.

There are five rivers that scholars cite as being possible locations for the 'Cradle of Civilization.' They are: the Tigris-Euphrates in modern day Iraq, the Nile in Africa, the Indus in South Asia, and the Huang-He-Yangtze in China.

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Second off, it is Sanskrit, not Sanscrit. Then;

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Sanskrit

1 : an ancient Indo-Aryan language that is the classical language of India and of Hinduism

2 : classical Sanskrit together with the older Vedic and various later modifications of classical Sanskrit — see indo-european

Indo–European languages

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages

The Indo-European languages comprise a family of several hundred related languages and dialects,[1] including most of the major languages of Europe, the northern Indian subcontinent (South Asia), the Iranian plateau (Southwest Asia), and much of Central Asia. Indo-European (Indo refers to the Indian subcontinent) ...

... 4500–4000: Early PIE. Sredny Stog, Dnieper-Donets and Samara cultures, domestication of the horse. (The early presence of the horse at Sredny Stog has been discredited as decisive—genetic evidence does not supply a single origin for the domesticated horse.) ...

...

... 1500–1000: The Nordic Bronze Age develops (pre-)Proto-Germanic, and the (pre-)Proto-Celtic Urnfield and Hallstatt cultures emerge in Central Europe, introducing the Iron Age. Proto-Italic migration into the Italian peninsula. Redaction of the Rigveda and rise of the Vedic civilization in the Punjab. Flourishing and decline of the Hittite Empire. The Mycenaean civilization gives way to the Greek Dark Ages.

1000 BC–500 BC: The Celtic languages spread over Central and Western Europe. Northern Europe enters the Pre-Roman Iron Age, the formative phase of Proto- Germanic. Homer initiates Greek literature and early Classical Antiquity. The Vedic civilization gives way to the Mahajanapadas. Zoroaster composes the Gathas; rise of the Achaemenid Empire, replacing the Elamites and Babylonia.

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Actually, if you read the timeline supplied, it sounds surprisingly Biblical. Well, actually, not to me, you understand.... the surprising part that is.

Now, who is it that believes only that which they wish to believe? Ummm, you did note the reference to Babylonia above, correct? And the time reference to Vedic.

Actually, within the limits of dating anything in history, I find nothing that conflicts with what I have said. But then, having read rather throughly on these subjects, I knew that already.

And if you follow this subject further, it becomes more and more easy to accept that there is a common source for all languages spoken on the earth, just as their has been shown to be a common source for the writings of every religion on the earth.

For reference, see Two Babylons.

richard9151  posted on  2007-11-30   18:00:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: richard9151 (#35)

And if you follow this subject further, it becomes more and more easy to accept that there is a common source for all languages spoken on the earth, just as their has been shown to be a common source for the writings of every religion on the earth.

On this point we do agree. In fact, God can be broken down to one syllable-ah-- which is found in God, Krishna, Shiva, Buddha, Yahwah, Ra and several more.

If you can accept that all religions flourish grow from the same root, why is one branch of the tree more trustworthy than another? Why would you discard all other branches as inferior, when all grow from the same light?

Do forgive my spelling error of Sanskrit. I must be more careful, thanks for keeping me in check.

abraxas  posted on  2007-11-30   18:23:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: abraxas (#38)

why is one branch of the tree more trustworthy than another?

Where did I say that? Please, point it out to me.

Also, where have I stated that YOU MUST READ THE BIBLE!!!! ?

I have made the point that I find it extremely amusing and silly for people who have never read the Bible to make comments about what is in it. Or, about what the Bible really means when it says something. And, this post is about Can you trust the Bible, not about conversion.

What you do with your beliefs is your own personal business, and it is only between you and God. I have nothing to do with that; I have no power and do not wish for any power to change you; you, just as I, must make your own progress through this world and change as you are guided to change.

You will find, if you are around any Christians.... real Christians, that is the general manner in which they approach this. Make info available, and permit people to choose.

Now, as to one branch of the tree being more trustworthy than another... are you also claiming that the fruit of the mystery religion of Babylon is to be trusted? Which is, by the way, the power behind the New World Order.

richard9151  posted on  2007-12-02   1:51:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: richard9151 (#56)

I have made the point that I find it extremely amusing and silly for people who have never read the Bible to make comments about what is in it.

Listen carefully, Ricky Retardo, and maybe you'll stop making this mistake.

You continually accuse those who disagree with your wacky beliefs as not having read the Bible. We've read it. We understand it a lot better than you do.

Would you like to know who you really are, what your beliefs really mean? You are like those Star Wars nerds who obsess over every Star Wars movie, as if it were real. That's you and the Bible. You lack comprehension. You read, but you cannot understand. You actually believe you're reading FACTS, not tall tales or someone selling something.

The Bible is a library of books, and it is only a small portion of the books written about Hebrews or early Christians. Most of the Torah is STOLEN. It isn't original. It was ancient when the scraggly tribe of illiterates called Hebrews first stole it.

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