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Title: Can You Trust the Bible?
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Published: Nov 30, 2007
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Post Date: 2007-11-30 12:50:27 by richard9151
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Proverbs 14:15; A fool will believe anything; smart people watch their step. Today's English Version. The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going. The King James Study Bible The simple believes every word : but the prudent man betakes himself to after-thought. The Septuagint from the Original Greek and including the English translation. Anyone inexperienced puts faith in every word, but the shrewd one considers his steps. New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures. I have mentioned that I have 12 Bibles, and the above is a good example of why. The meanings of the words become much clearer after reading three or more translations. Each translation is complete within itself, but..... so much clearer when several are used. Not to mention the errors that show up. I find it curious as to how many people talk about the Bible, and their opinions of it, when they have not read it. Yet, they talk as if the opinions that they have, which came from others and not from their own research and understanding, somehow mean something. Nothing could be further from the Truth, and, most opinions about the Bible are the same; nothing could be further from the Truth. That, my friends, is a shame. Why? Because of all of the books ever written, only the Bible has stood the test of time, and, it has done so because it has proven to be trustworthy. How so? Because only a fool would go through life blindly accepting everything he hears, basing his decisoins and actions on frivolous advice or baseless teachings. If you think about it, this is exactly what has happened to America. Get yer new credit card here and enjoy the American lifestyle to the fullest! Get yer second mortgage here and deduct that interest from your taxes so you can have all the things you crave! Get yer drugs here! Get yer fast food here! Send yer kids here (school-movies-whatever) so you are not bothered! Get yer new cable channels here! Subscribe to ------------ so you can learn all about the world! And on and on endlessly.... and most Americans buy into the programs. Why? Because they no longer have a moral base by which to judge right from wrong. Instead, they have been programmed to accept the non-sense that comes from the widely distributed (garbage) books, the telly, and the government controlled education system. Yet, in most homes, unopened, is the answer to their problems. The Bible. BUT.... the Bible is not what you have been told that it is, which is why so much of it is banned from what YOU think of as Christian churches. Why do you permit that? The Bible is the most widely distributed book in history, The World Book Encyclopedia. From Awake, November, 2007; Over 500 years ago, the German inventor Johannes Gutenberg began printing with movable type. The first major book to come off his press was a Bible. Since then, billions upon billions of books on every subject imaginable have been printed. The Bible, however, is by far the most exceptional of them all. It is estimated that more than 4.7 billion Bibles (in whole or in part) have been printed. That is more than five times the number of copies of the next most widely distributed publication; Quotations from Chairman Mao. More than 50 million copies of the Bible or portions of it were distributed recently in one year alone. "The Bible is the best-selling book of the year, every year," says a report in The New Yorker magazine. In whole or in part, the Bible has been translated into more than 2,400 languages. At least some of the Bible is available in the languages spoken by over 90 percent of the human family. About half of the Bible writers finished their writings before the birth of both Confucius, the renowned Chinese sage, and Siddhartha Gautama, the founder of Buddhism. The Bible has endured bans by governments, vurnings by religious opposers, and attacks by critics. No other bookn in history has faced greater opposition -- and survived. The above facts are ourstanding, but impressive details and statistics alone do not prove that the Bible is trustworthy. Here are five reasons why millions of people are convinced that the Bible is worthy of trust. 1. Historical Soundness. No one has ever successfully challenged the historical accuracy of the Bible. It refers to real people and real events. 2. Candor and Honesty. The Bible writers were honest men who wrote with openness of heart. Their candor gives their writing the clear ring of truth. My note; the above is particularly important. The historical record confirms that, as today, ancient rules NEVER permitted a record made of their defeats or shortcomings. We learn of such only form their enemies. However, the Bible writers openly admit their errors and misgivings. This is really an important and refreshing difference. 3. Internal Harmony. Imagine asking 40 men from varied backgounds to write a book, each writing a section. The writers live in a number of lands and do not all know one another. Some do not know what the others have written. Would you expect a book thus produced to be harmonious? The Bible is such a book. (The Bible is a collection of 66 books, or subdivions, starting with Genesis and ending with Revelation.) Written under even more unusual conditions than those described above, its internal harmony is nothing less than profound. Uniqe Circumstances. The Bible was written over a span of some 1,600 uyears, from 1513 B.C.E. to about 98C.E. Many of the approxiamately 40 writers thus lived centuries apart. Their occupations were varied. some were fishermen, others were shepherds or kings, and one was a physician. A harmonious message. The Bible penmen developed one central theme; the vindication of God's right to rule mankind and fulfillment of his purpose by means of his heavenly Kingdom, a world government. Agreement on details. The Bible writers agreed on even minute details, but often this harmony was clearly unintentional. 4. Scientific Accuracy. Science has made great strides in modern times. As a result, old theories have given way to new ones. What was once accepted as fact may now be seen as myth. Science testbooks often need revision. The Bible is not a science textbook. Yet, when it comes to scientific matters, the Bible is noteworthy not only for what it says but also for what it does not say. Free of unscientific views. Many mistaken beliefs gained wide acceptance in ancient times. Views about the earth ranged from the idea that it was flat to the notion that tangible substances or objects held it aloft. Long before science learned about the spread and prevention of disease, physicians employed some pratices that were ineffective at best, lethal at worst. But not once in its more than 1,100 chapters does the Bible endorse any unscientific views or harmful practices. Scientifically sound statements. Some 3,500 years ago, the Bible stated that the earth is hanging "upon nothing." (Job 26:7) In the eighth century B.C.E., Isaigh clearly referred to "the circle [or, sphere] of the earth." (Isaiah 40:22) A spherical earth held in empty space without anyt visible or physical means of support -- does not that sound remarkably modern? Written about 1500 B.C.E., the Mosaic Law (found in the first five books of the Bible) contained sound laws regarding quarentining of the sick, treatment of dead bodies, and disposal of waste. -- Leviticus 13:1-5; Numbers 19:1-13; Deuteronomy 23:13, 14. Even though it is an acient book and touches on many subjects, the Bible contains no scientific inaccuracies. 5. Fulfilled Prophecy. The Bible is filled with predictions, or prophecies. Its record, as documented by history, is clear. Bible prophecy is always right. Distinguishing features. Bible prophecies are often specific and have been fulfilled down to the smallest of details. They usually involve matters of great importance and predict the opposite of what those living at the time of the writing might have been expecting. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The above details came from a Special Issue of the Awake! This issue is titled, Can You Trust the Bible? If you wish a copy, it is probably available, as it is freely printed and distributed by www.watchtower.org. On average, each issue of Awake is printed in 80 languages in 34,267,000 copies. I have stated before that I am not a Jehovah's Witness. However, from what I have read, they, BY FAR, come closest to my understanding of the Bible, BASED on my own research and reading. And I find that many of their tracts are very accurate and Scriptually correct. Now, the question that I have for you is.... are you reading the Bible, or, is the non-sense of the United States really that much more important? As I have stated before, I have no debt. Why? Because I read the Bible. Pretty well sums it all up for me.
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#15. To: Paul Revere (#12)
Well, since no one has been able to prove that such stories are false, that means I am in pretty good company; the company of those who believe that which has been proven, unlike others, such as, oh, for instance, attorneys, who believe whatever they are told to believe, such as in the goddess of justice.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Sure you are. It is a good social gathering; I get it. Good for business too. And, of course, you celebrate the birth of the son of god, Tammuz, every Dec. 25th along with the rest of your 'church.' Do you help to put up your churches tree as well? And, do not forget Easter! Eshtar and her holy prostitutes need remembrance and love also! http://www.piney.com/MuTammuz.html The only hint to the Ekklesia (synagogue) of Christ not defeated by the GATES OF HELL comes from the Babylonian religionism. Inanna as a type of Eve or Zoe or Inanna or Ishtar (Easter) got the father God--EA the patron god of lmusic--drunk and STOLE the ME: these were magican incantations (songs) which gave her supernatural power. By reading this text you can see how the DOVE identified the SON of the FATHER to repudiate matriarchal religion of Babylon. The Mother Goddess were "holy whores" and delighted in getting the men to build her a grand temple and then in a fit of rage she sowed discord among brothers and broke it down. Sound like a mega church? "Ezekiel was particularly aghast at the sun worship there and a Canaanite fertility cult, which he calls 'weeping for Tammuz. The Tammuz cult in the temple was being practiced by women, and it appears that they must bear their full share of responsibility for introducing heathen practices into Israel... Just got to love those sunrise services, now, don't ya? Not to mention worship on Sun-day; day of the sun. So go ahead and fill me in!
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Quote me a few please.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
The Bible is nothing but an instruction manual for astrology. Genesis 1:14 "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years..." Luke 21:25 "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring..." Job 9:9 "Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south." Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38:32 "Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?" Psalm 78:17 "And they sinned yet more against him by provoking the most High in the wilderness." Psalm 78:24 "And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven." Mark 14:13 "And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him." Luke 22:10 "And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in." Isaiah 14:13-14 "For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."
I think that somewhere along the lines of millenia, odds are that some fool did manage to get swallowed by a whale. hell, ive got a pic of a dude who got his head stuck in an elephants ass, so odds are, weird shit will eventually happen.
Gypsy woman said to me, one thing you must bear in your mind: The Core, Eric Clapton
From here: America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
You know... I was going to let this go, but what the hey!! First off, it ain't 'your' church; it belongs to God, that is, if you accept anything from the Bible. Secondly, you claim to be a Christian, AND, to have read the Bible. Thus, how do you qualify this statement? Jonah was swallowed, if you care to swallow that tale, by a FISH. From this, are you maintaining that Jesus Christ is a liar? I suggest that you, that great reader of the Bible, read Matthew 12:40. Perhaps you should read all of Matthew for that matter.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
The story of Jonah and the whale is nothing but another interpretation of the winter solstice story. The constellation Cetus (the whale) swallows Jonah (another personification of the sun) for three days.
Do you understand the word, arguably? No one can establish a date for the Vedas, much less for Sanskrit, which is the language they were written in. And Sanskrit had to come first, and as I showed, Sanskrit has a common heritage with Greek and Latin. The original language of the first five books of the Bible is older than both. As I said, try the book, Two Babylons. The author of that book goes right back to the original texts of most major religions to show how they had a common beginning, with a single God, and that the non-sense of multiple gods came later when the priests took over. That common beginning was in Babylon, but suit yourself. If you would rather believe what the adherents of any religion would like you to believe, you are welcome to that.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
LOL!! That is funny! Thanks!! Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years..." Ever hear of the passage of time, and how it is checked against the movement of the stars? How navigation is accomplished, or, at least was, with instruments for sighting the stars and the sun? About how people use the seasons to judge when best to plant their crops! LOL!! Really, really a good one! And the rest of your post makes about as much sense!!
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
LOL!! Pleaaaaassssseeee!!! DO NOT POST IT!! odds are that some fool did manage to get swallowed by a whale. As to this, please see Matthew 12:40.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Ever hear of the passage of time, and how it is checked against the movement of the stars? How navigation is accomplished, or, at least was, with instruments for sighting the stars and the sun? About how people use the seasons to judge when best to plant their crops! Yes, I know of those things but what does that have to do with ascension into heaven, being like the "most High," or the "sweet influences of Pleiades" (Job 38:31). What sweet influences? What about the manna from heaven which appears on the ground in the wilderness after the dew. They're mind-altering mushrooms which priests consumed to alter their perception of reality. It all makes perfect sense to me because I understand what I'm reading. Those Bible verses indicate a belief that the study and worship of celestial phenomena gave them insight and control over events on Earth. It's nothing but hocus-pocus.
One has to also have an understanding of history. Civilization in the Indus Valley is equally as old if not older than Ancient Babylon. China has a documented history that pre-dates the Code of Hammurabi [around 1760BC] by more than a thousand years as well. The problem with most religious adherents is that they try and craft history to fit their beliefs. The reality is, its the other way around and people never realize that religious texts are written for a particular audience and not for someone 10,000 years hence, halfway across the world, and in a completely different culture. That's why there are footnotes that describe the particular cultural oddities of past civilizations that nobody in the modern era has any clue about and why preachers have to say "...and this is how it applies today." One can also make the argument quickly and truthfully that the Code of Hammurabi and other Babylonian myths pre-date the Bible. So why don't people take Gilgamesh as being scripture then since it too is ancient, if "being old" is the argument for validity? The whole thing boils down to this -- in religion, it is what you individually accept as true that makes it true to you. In a sense, all this stuff makes the argument that people chase a religion for what it does for them and what they get out of it and not for any other reason whatsoever.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
You might be interested in this forum. Philosophorum I post there as well.
I explained this to Richard already, but the Upanishads just went right over his head. He hasn'te even read the Gita for crying out loud. He thinks the Bible is the oldest and truest because it's all he has ever read of theology.
Or History. China developed separately from anything else on earth and pre-dates Babylon. Same with the Indus Valley civilizations. Thus, my argument is simple: He believes what he believes because it serves his purposes.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Richard you are full of bulls**t. Many Vedas have been dated. Have you ever taken a course in languages, archeology, theology or even basic history? Sanscrit is the oldest language, of which Semetic, Greek, and Latin languages were born. Nobody with an iota of understanding of language, denies that Sanscrit was the first language. Of which mantras to this day are repeated and trusted daily. Tat Tvam Asi, for example. Or, San Kalpa. Have you heard of the Cradle of Civilization? That's a wonderful place for you to begin your journey of understanding. Education yourself, as your credibility in sinking. Maybe you should refreign from compartive religious commentary until you have actually eductated yourself beyond the Bible. Just because the Bible is YOUR only truth, doesn't make it true for the rest of humanity. Ask any Swami, Guru or Bhodisattva if you don't believe me.
interesting point. however, i will bet at some point in mans past some dumbass managed to get himself enwhaled.
Gypsy woman said to me, one thing you must bear in your mind: The Core, Eric Clapton
Since you are such a scholor on the Bible, I'd like you to clear up a few blatant contradictions in the text for me. Kings 16: 6-8 Bashaw died in the 26th year of King Asa's reign. Chronicles 16:1 Bashaw built a city in the 36th year of King Asa's reign. How did he do that? Kings 16:23 Omri became king in the 31st year of Asa's reign and he reigned for a total of 12 years (up to the 43rd year of Asa's reign) Kings 16: 28-29 Omri died, and his son Ahab became king in the 38th year of Asa's reign. How is that possible? 1 Chronicles 3:19 Pediah was the father of Zerubbabel. Ezra 3: 2&3 : 8 Shealtiel was the father of Zerubbabel. 2 Kings 9:27 Jehu shot Ahaziah near Ibleam. Ahaziah fled to Meggido and died there. 2 Chronicles 22: 9 Ahaziah was found hiding in Samaria, brought to Jehu, and put to death. Explain that one. This is just the tip of the iceburg on Biblical contradiction, which doesn't bode where for blind trust. 2 Chronicles 22:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle_of_civilization This article is about society beginnings. For the beginning of humanity before writing, see History of the world. For other uses, see Cradle of Humankind (disambiguation). In the history of the world, the cradle of civilization is a title claimed by several regions. It refers to the original location of the development of writing, complex social systems, and cities. In fact it is likely that there was more than one independent origin of civilization rather than a single "cradle". Specifically, the civilizations in the Amercias are typically understood to have emerged independently from those in Eurasia. Debate is also complicated by the difficulty of clearly defining when a culture becomes a "civilization". The extent to which there was significant influence of early civilizations in the Fertile Crescent and East Asia on each other is debated. There are five rivers that scholars cite as being possible locations for the 'Cradle of Civilization.' They are: the Tigris-Euphrates in modern day Iraq, the Nile in Africa, the Indus in South Asia, and the Huang-He-Yangtze in China. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Second off, it is Sanskrit, not Sanscrit. Then; http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Sanskrit 1 : an ancient Indo-Aryan language that is the classical language of India and of Hinduism 2 : classical Sanskrit together with the older Vedic and various later modifications of classical Sanskrit — see indo-european Indo–European languages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages The Indo-European languages comprise a family of several hundred related languages and dialects,[1] including most of the major languages of Europe, the northern Indian subcontinent (South Asia), the Iranian plateau (Southwest Asia), and much of Central Asia. Indo-European (Indo refers to the Indian subcontinent) ... ... 4500–4000: Early PIE. Sredny Stog, Dnieper-Donets and Samara cultures, domestication of the horse. (The early presence of the horse at Sredny Stog has been discredited as decisive—genetic evidence does not supply a single origin for the domesticated horse.) ... ... ... 1500–1000: The Nordic Bronze Age develops (pre-)Proto-Germanic, and the (pre-)Proto-Celtic Urnfield and Hallstatt cultures emerge in Central Europe, introducing the Iron Age. Proto-Italic migration into the Italian peninsula. Redaction of the Rigveda and rise of the Vedic civilization in the Punjab. Flourishing and decline of the Hittite Empire. The Mycenaean civilization gives way to the Greek Dark Ages. 1000 BC–500 BC: The Celtic languages spread over Central and Western Europe. Northern Europe enters the Pre-Roman Iron Age, the formative phase of Proto- Germanic. Homer initiates Greek literature and early Classical Antiquity. The Vedic civilization gives way to the Mahajanapadas. Zoroaster composes the Gathas; rise of the Achaemenid Empire, replacing the Elamites and Babylonia. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Actually, if you read the timeline supplied, it sounds surprisingly Biblical. Well, actually, not to me, you understand.... the surprising part that is. Now, who is it that believes only that which they wish to believe? Ummm, you did note the reference to Babylonia above, correct? And the time reference to Vedic. Actually, within the limits of dating anything in history, I find nothing that conflicts with what I have said. But then, having read rather throughly on these subjects, I knew that already. And if you follow this subject further, it becomes more and more easy to accept that there is a common source for all languages spoken on the earth, just as their has been shown to be a common source for the writings of every religion on the earth. For reference, see Two Babylons.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Really? Ever hear of Israelites? Particularly since the letter j did not exist until about 250 years ago? And you should be careful what you say about the Old Testament, as you are, once again, making a liar out of Jesus Christ. Who quoted from the Old Testament. and a lot of collections of mythology and folklore Such as what? You need to be specific when you say things like that, and not simply make unsupported allegations. Perhaps that is a term you have heard somewhere before....... But if you do that, prepare to take some heat Trust me, I can handle it. If the Rabbis heard the words of God they'd be stoned to death Here is another problem that you have; the Rabbis had nothing to do with writing the Bible. Have they had more than a little to do with changing how people think about the Bible, and, what people believe about the Bible? YOU BET!! That should make you stop and think for just a moment.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
I was born and raise Christain and have taken Bible study classes and have read the Bible, yes. And I don't give a rip how much older your Bible is then the Koran, as it is, the Bible excludes allot of gospels, and the Gnostic outlook and writings were pro-actively destroyed and percecuted by those that like this 88 book abrided Bible you like so much. I respect it as writing for your faith, but I reaffirm that I have zero use for the Bible. I see people mis-interpret the Bible for their own political agenda all the time, and I am extremely tired of that, and have zero tolerence or patience for that game.
On this point we do agree. In fact, God can be broken down to one syllable-ah-- which is found in God, Krishna, Shiva, Buddha, Yahwah, Ra and several more. If you can accept that all religions flourish grow from the same root, why is one branch of the tree more trustworthy than another? Why would you discard all other branches as inferior, when all grow from the same light? Do forgive my spelling error of Sanskrit. I must be more careful, thanks for keeping me in check.
So where is China in all of this? China developed completely independently of anything else on the planet.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
taoist immortals. enough said.
Gypsy woman said to me, one thing you must bear in your mind: The Core, Eric Clapton
China has been written out of history in the West. They discovered America long before Columbus, proven with DNA, but still get no credit. Must have something to do with that Red Menace thing. We're just supposed to trust in all things Biblical, even if it defies logic, science, history and the truth.
I apologize; I forgot that those were the rules!
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
The burden of proof is on YOU, not me, to establish the stories are true. You can't, but the burden is on you, nevertheless. You maintain they are true. You have the duty to prove that. You fail to recognize that ALL your beliefs about the Bible are merely yours. They're beliefs. They're not facts, and they'll never be facts. You live in a mythical world that exists only in your head, but you think it's the world God created. It's not. It's your fabrication.
This thread demonstrates clearly what we all know: that the most ignorant among is the one most convinced of the rightness of his own religious beliefs. This is common. Religion thrives on ignorance and lack of intelligence, and this thread is a clinic in that topic. Most hard core Bible thumpers are ignorant rubes who know only the things other zealots have told them. They use the Bible and ignore anything that predates it. They don't even know how it was written, or more importantly, how it was edited.
Many of them of them even try to deny that they got it from the Catholic Church since they hate the Vatican so much. The complete and utter ignorance of history is incredible among most so-called "Bible Christians" and a gross number of so-called "apologetics" works are utter hogwash and easily refuted with a Funk and Wagnalls. The most recent one I was handed said that the Orthodox Church came into being at the Reformation in the 1500s.....and that the Catholic Church came into being in 800AD....but that this particular group of Baptists had been around since 33AD. Never mind that the Baptists came into being post-Reformation as any Enyclopedia will tell you. Quite honestly, in regards to the Bible, it really does seem that a lot of them think it fell from the sky already translated into English for them and that an argument for the "King James" version is that it has no copyright! Jeez!
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
The Judeo-Christian Conflict: Zionism vs. Jesus Charles E. Carlson Christian Zionism is a growing enigma to traditional Christians and to non-Christians alike. Most of those inside its churches are very certain of what they believe, but they are not at all sure why they believe it. It is this author’s conclusion, based on personal observations at some 60 churches where Project Strait Gate has confronted and interviewed congregation and staff, that none of the dispensational or Judeo-Christian inside can open a New Testament and support what they believe from its pages. Most will not try. This paper is dedicated to the friends and families of some 60 million Americans who are in this dilemma. The problem for Christ followers in Judeo-Christian churches is that their belief system varies depending on who is in the room, and what the subject is. If the subject is personal salvation for those who are present, Jesus Christ is the king, and His word is law, however many passages are avoided. But, whenever the subject is the state of Israel, or any news topic having to do with Zionism, or Jews in general, Jesus is left out in the street. There can be little or no room left for Him because political Zionists, secular American Jews or Israelis, have zero tolerance for Jesus. Israel and Jesus, mix like oil and water.
The most recent one I was handed said that the Orthodox Church came into being at the Reformation in the 1500s.....and that the Catholic Church came into being in 800AD....but that this particular group of Baptists had been around since 33AD. Never mind that the Baptists came into being post-Reformation as any Enyclopedia will tell you. Quite honestly, in regards to the Bible, it really does seem that a lot of them think it fell from the sky already translated into English for them and that an argument for the "King James" version is that it has no copyright! Jeez! Yes, most devotion to the Bible is based on ignorance. It was created by the Catholic Church, which had almost a complete monopoly on Christianity for over 1000 years. If Henry VIII had not been a horn dog who made the mistake of marrying the daughter of the king and queen of Spain, we would very likely NOT have the Protestant faith as we know it today. Most Christians think there have been protestant like churches for 2000 years, which is absurd, of coure.
thanks for that random thought
hell, ive got a pic of a dude who got his head stuck in an elephants ass, so odds are, weird shit will eventually happen. lol!
that made me burst out laughing
i enjoyed the heck out of this thread.
Mission accomplished then.
Good!
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestNo, because you're an idiot who thinks most of the stories in the Bible are true, and arguing with such a tard is a complete waste of time.
#16. To: ghostdogtxn (#13)
I'm a member in good standing at my church, have been for years.
#17. To: ghostdogtxn (#13)
I've read that, and the references to it are "legion".
#18. To: richard9151 (#10)
#19. To: ghostdogtxn (#13)
You are young and you are free, but damned if youre deceased in your own lifetime.
#20. To: richard9151 (#14)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedas The Vedas are arguably the oldest sacred texts that are still used.
The Vedas predate the Bible.
#21. To: ghostdogtxn (#13)
I've been a Christian since birth, confirmed, and I'm a member in good standing at my church,
#22. To: gengis gandhi (#19)
#23. To: mirage (#20)
arguably
#24. To: Alan Chapman (#18)
The Bible is nothing but an instruction manual for astrology.
#25. To: gengis gandhi (#19)
hell, ive got a pic of a dude who got his head stuck in an elephants ass,
#26. To: richard9151 (#24)
#27. To: richard9151 (#23)
#28. To: Alan Chapman (#26)
Those Bible verses indicate a belief that the study and worship of celestial phenomena gave them insight and control over events on Earth. It's nothing but hocus-pocus.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#29. To: mirage (#11)
The Hindu scriptures are even older than that.
#30. To: abraxas (#29)
He thinks the Bible is the oldest and truest because it's all he has ever read of theology.
#31. To: richard9151 (#21)
#32. To: richard9151 (#23)
No one can establish a date for the Vedas, much less for Sanskrit, which is the language they were written in. And Sanskrit had to come first, and as I showed, Sanskrit has a common heritage with Greek and Latin. The original language of the first five books of the Bible is older than both.
#33. To: Alan Chapman (#22)
You are young and you are free, but damned if youre deceased in your own lifetime.
#34. To: richard9151 (#0)
#35. To: abraxas, mirage, farmfriend (#32)
Have you heard of the Cradle of Civilization?
#36. To: ghostdogtxn (#31)
The Old Testament was written exclusively by Jewish priests.
#37. To: richard9151 (#10)
#38. To: richard9151 (#35)
And if you follow this subject further, it becomes more and more easy to accept that there is a common source for all languages spoken on the earth, just as their has been shown to be a common source for the writings of every religion on the earth.
#39. To: richard9151 (#35)
#40. To: mirage (#39)
You are young and you are free, but damned if youre deceased in your own lifetime.
#41. To: mirage (#39)
So where is China in all of this?
#42. To: abraxas (#41)
We're just supposed to trust in all things Biblical, even if it defies logic, science, history and the truth.
#43. To: richard9151 (#15)
Well, since no one has been able to prove that such stories are false, that means I am in pretty good company
#44. To: All (#43)
#45. To: Paul Revere (#44)
They don't even know how it was written, or more importantly, how it was edited.
#46. To: Paul Revere (#44)
#47. To: mirage (#45)
Many of them of them even try to deny that they got it from the Catholic Church since they hate the Vatican so much. The complete and utter ignorance of history is incredible among most so-called "Bible Christians" and a gross number of so-called "apologetics" works are utter hogwash and easily refuted with a Funk and Wagnalls.
#48. To: Sodie Pop (#5)
#49. To: gengis gandhi (#19)
I think that somewhere along the lines of millenia, odds are that some fool did manage to get swallowed by a whale.
#50. To: christine, gengis gandhi (#49)
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#51. To: farmfriend (#50)
#52. To: richard9151, Paul Revere, Alan Chapman, gengis gandhi, ghostdogtxn, mirage, abraxas, farmfriend, robnoel (#51)
#53. To: christine (#51)
that made me burst out laughing
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#54. To: christine (#52)
i enjoyed the heck out of this thread.
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