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Title: THE NEW OFFICIAL "Loose Change Final Cut" - Now on Google Video
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Post Date: 2007-12-01 19:57:38 by robin
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Louder Than Words

2 hr 10 min 8 sec - Nov 11, 200

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Loose Change Final Cut - Loose Change Final Cut

A Louder Than Words Production - The Loose Change crew did a great job compiling this ... all » massive amount of evidence in support for a new investigation. This is a great starting point for anyone who is interested in 911 truth. But viewer beware, certain highly discussed subjects within the truth movement have been withheld from the audience; whether for simplicity's sake, or rather as an attempt to keep your minds under control of the military industrial complex, I am NOT amused. Media complicity, including foreknowledge and premeditated cooperation are extravagantly evident with in all the recorded media of that day. In fact the event itself was a military level media hoax/psychological operation/black op. Once you search a little further down the rabbit hole you will find that Loose Change has only dug so deep. Kudos to all you European Truthers, I know your watchin'...

recommended video documentaries

Google Video: "Morgan Reynolds Fox News" "911 The Explosive Reality" "September 11 Television Archive" (includes 3 days straight of all nationwide news stations) "TV Fakery"

Livevideo.com: "September Clues" "911 a Fake Odyssey" "911 Flatline" "911 octopus"

If you would like to support Loose Change goto www.loosechangefinalcut.com and order a High Quality DVD, or search a torrent site for it...

Alex Jones, Loose Change, you used to be my heroes, but you are either compromised, or are still trapped in the matrix. TV FAKERY SHALL NO LONGER BE TABOO.

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Not at all. Muslim extremists have been attacking US targets for many years now because of US foreign policy.

So the best way to commit murder is to mimic the current serial murderer. Not even original, Agatha Christie wrote about such a plot in the "ABC Murders", back in the '30s.

The "truth" movement has "proven" nothing. The entire "truth" movement is built on speculation based mostly on video clips.

Well that's a very limited way of looking at it. The 9/11 truth movement is also based on the testimony of New York's finest and bravest, as well as other eyewitness testimony.

The 9/11 Truth movement also gets its facts from the laws of physics.

Then there are the delicious "coincidences".

Like Lucky Larry Silverstein, who leased the WTC from the Port Authority in July of 2001:
In total, Silverstein was awarded nearly $5 billion in insurance money following the destruction of the Twin Towers [14]. He plans to use some or all of the settlement to rebuild. [15]

The FT fails to mention that Silverstein bought the $3.2 billion towers with a sliver of equity—$125 million, a whopping 4 percent down—most of it from silent partner Lloyd Goldman, whose behind-the-scenes role has never been adequately explained. Silverstein then borrowed equity—if that’s possible—from bondholders, layering on debt like a teetering Dagwood sandwich.

Then, he underinsured the property by more than half in a slapdash process that left the paperwork undone by the time the towers fell, creating the need for his dog-and-pony suit against Swiss Re and other insurers that author Steven Brill predicted, correctly, as early as April 2003, that Silverstein would lose (which he did, but only after years and hundreds of millions of dollars—enough to build something—was wasted on the legal fight).

This suit created the illusion that Silverstein could obtain $7 billion and would therefore be able to fulfill the rebuilding requirements of his lease. Without this doomed attempt to force insurers to fund the redevelopment project, Silverstein’s financial shortfall would have been obvious for the world to see. But the Port Authority, the site’s owner, supported the legal action.

Of course there is PNAC's interest in a "new Pearl Harbor event".

And if you follow the money, there were some very odd stock transactions that day.

And the president's brother was the CEO of the company in charge of the security of WTC.

There are many more coincidences, that have nothing to do with videos, if you are so disinclined to watch video clips.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-02   12:59:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

With all due respect you don't actually believe that he is going to read any of the stuff you linked for him, do you?

Mister Clean does not want to know the truth.

You never know who might see this thread. People from all over the world have access to freedom4um.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:00:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html

www.serendipity.li/wot/pilger_on_standdown.htm
General Ralph Eberhart, commander of the North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD). "Air force jet fighters could have intercepted hijacked airliners roaring towards the World Trade Center and Pentagon," he said, "if only air traffic controllers had asked for help 13 minutes sooner ... We would have been able to shoot down all three ... all four of them."

Why did this not happen?

The Kean report makes clear that "the defence of US aerospace on 9/11 was not conducted in accord with pre-existing training and protocols ... If a hijack was confirmed, procedures called for the hijack coordinator on duty to contact the Pentagon's National Military Command Center (NMCC) ... The NMCC would then seek approval from the office of the Secretary of Defence to provide military assistance ... "

Uniquely, this did not happen.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-02   13:01:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

• September 16, 2001 - President Bush says Osama Bin Laden is the "prime suspect."

"Q Mr. President, do you believe Osama bin Laden's denial that he had anything to do with this?

THE PRESIDENT: No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that." - White House (09/16/01)

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President Bush says Osama Bin Laden is the "prime suspect."

"Q Mr. President, do you believe Osama bin Laden's denial that he had anything to do with this?

THE PRESIDENT: No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that." - White House (09/16/01)

Remember, on June 5, 2006, FBI spokesman, Chief of Investigative Publicity Rex Tomb said, “The FBI has no hard evidence connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11.” This should be headline news worldwide. The challenge to the reader is to find out why it is not. Why has the U.S. media blindly read the government-provided 9/11 scripts, rather than investigate without passion, prejudice, or bias, the events of September 11, 2001? Why has the U.S. media blacklisted any guest that might speak of a government sponsored 9/11 cover-up, rather than seeking out those people who have something to say about 9/11 that is contrary to the government’s account? And on those few rare occasions when a 9/11 dissenter has made it upon the airways, why has the mainstream media ridiculed the guest as a conspiracy nut, rather than listen to the evidence that clearly raises valid questions about the government’s 9/11 account? Why is the Big Media Conglomeration blindly content with the government’s 9/11 story when so much verifiable information to the contrary is available with a few clicks of a computer mouse?

Who is it that is controlling the media message, and how is it that the U.S. media has indicted Usama Bin Laden for the events of September 11, 2001, but the U.S. government has not? How is it that the FBI has no “hard evidence” connecting Usama Bin Laden to the events of September 11, 2001, while the U.S. media has played the Bin Laden - 9/11 connection story for five years now as if it has conclusive evidence that Bin Laden is responsible for the collapse of the twin towers, the Pentagon attack, and the demise of United Flight 93?

…No hard evidence connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11… Think about it.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:01:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You never know who might see this thread. People from all over the world have access to freedom4um.

Good point.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-02   13:06:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

1. So you don't believe in the fuehrer's pronouncement?

Isn't it obvious?

2. And anyone who believes in the Official Party Line™ about the events of 9/11 may not be arrogant but they sure are ignorant. And that is not a slam. Ignorance can be cured through education if people want to overcome it but willful stupidity is forever.

The conspiracy theorists are the arrogant ones who declare anyone who doesn't believe in their 9/11 "truth" to be stupid as you did above.

Get over yourself.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   13:13:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

With all due respect you don't actually believe that he is going to read any of the stuff you linked for him, do you?

I ignore most of TwentyTwelve's crap.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   13:14:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I ignore most of TwentyTwelve's crap.

We know.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:17:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Kean report makes clear that "the defence of US aerospace on 9/11 was not conducted in accord with pre-existing training and protocols ... If a hijack was confirmed, procedures called for the hijack coordinator on duty to contact the Pentagon's National Military Command Center (NMCC) ... The NMCC would then seek approval from the office of the Secretary of Defence to provide military assistance ... "

That doesn't prove 9/11 was an inside job.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   13:20:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:20:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Cached - Similar pages

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:21:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:22:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"I ignore most of TwentyTwelve's crap."

Conversely, we ignore your brain farts, buddy. Thanks for sharing.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-12-02   13:23:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Not by itself.

But taken together with all the other "coincidences" it is very damning evidence. Why did our jets stood down that day? Why was there such a command?

whatreallyhappened.com/911stand.html

The US military has spent billions of dollars developing stealth aircraft which are invisible to radar so they can mount surprise attacks on adversaries, but it seems they should have saved their money and bought a fleet of airliners because they appear to be far more effective.

On 9/11 the world's only military superpower was apparently oblivious to the location of rogue airliners in it's airspace for over an hour, and military commanders were left perplexed on how to deal with the situation of hijackers using these planes as flying bombs.

Click for full sized image This confusion resulted in fighter jets flying around aimlessly whilst the hierarchy fully assessed what was going on, and this total lack of cohesion ultimately led to the loss of nearly 3000 lives.

All that was required to overcome America's military might on 9/11 were 19 hijackers on 4 airliners.

Does this sound plausible to you?

It's what you're expected to believe.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-02   13:24:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I ignore most of TwentyTwelve's crap.

Yeah, you need to be really careful or you might learn something. And an actual thought would probably bust your head.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-02   13:24:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But taken together with all the other "coincidences" it is very damning evidence. Why did our jets stood down that day? Why was there such a command?

This is where the speculation comes in.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   13:25:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The conspiracy theorists are the arrogant ones who declare anyone who doesn't believe in their 9/11 "truth" to be stupid as you did above.

That isn't what I said. I said that some people--and it is probably a large number--are ignorant because they have not taken the time to educate themselves. They go from ignorant to stupid when they make claims (like you do) that the Official Party Line™ is the truth without doing any checking and finding out why it is impossible.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-02   13:30:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The USAF response against Flight 11

None

The USAF response against Flight 175 8:45 a.m. - United Airlines Flight 175 is taken over by five hijackers who use knives, Mace and the threat of a bomb. Both pilots are killed and the plane is diverted southward to New York City.

8:53 a.m. - Unaware that their intended target has already crashed into the World Trade Center, the F-15s from Otis Air Force Base are sent to military-controlled airspace off Long Island and ordered to remain in a holding pattern until between 9:09 and 9:13 a.m. [National Geographic]

Flight 11 had crashed into World Trade Center 1, and Flight 175 was hijacked and heading toward New York.

Fighter jets were ordered to stay in a holding pattern off Long Island.

Why weren't they ordered to protect New York?

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robin  posted on  2007-12-02   13:32:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

9/11 Mysteries (Full Length, High Qualaity) - Google Video

This is a brand new public domain 9/11 Truth documentary about the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center complex. It's excellent...., 1 hr 30 min ... video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003 - 97k - Jan 29, 2007 - Cached -

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:45:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:46:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

911review.com/means/standdown.html

The 'Stand-Down Order'

The shocking failure of the air defense system to protect New York City and the capital would seem to require either an incredible series of failures or an order to stop intercepts -- a stand-down order. Yet apparently there have been no cases of military officials disciplined for gross negligence surrounding 9/11/01, nor have there been publicized reports of commanders admitting to having received stand-down orders.

If the stand-down order were disguised as a procedural change, and enacted well in advance, it might be hidden in plain sight.

CJCSI 3610.01, dated July 31, 1997, required that all requests for asistance in hijackings be approved by the Secretary of Defense. An update to that order, CJCSI 3610.01, dated June 1, 2001, had an exception for emergencies that would seem to give commanders in the field autonomy in ordering intercepts. However, that exception did not cover requests for "potentially lethal assistance", the kind required to respond to the attack:

(DODD 2025.15, Feb. 18, 1997) 4.4 The Secretary of Defense retains approval authority for support to civil authorities involving: use of Commander in Chief (CINC)-assigned forces (personnel units, and equipment) when required under paragraph 4.5, below; DoD support that will result in a planned event with the potential for confrontation with specifically identified individuals and/or goups or will result in the use of lethal force. 1

Hence, this order may have been the long-sought stand-down order.

If it is true that the standing orders would have required approval by the Secretary of Defense for intercepts on 9/11/01, then, in theory, a defacto stand-down could have been implemented by the secretary simply failing to act during the crisis. However, it is doubful that insiders planning the attack would have relied on the orders alone to assure that there was no effective military response to the attack. It was likely one of a number of "fixes" that included multiple war games planned on the day of the attack. Thus, even if commanders violated standing orders and ordered intercepts of the commandeered jetliners, they would face depleted interceptor resources and corrupted flight data.

The following post starts with the June 1st order and goes on about Rumsfeld. It fails to note Reference D, explained in Jerry Russell's stand-down post, and fails to note the order which JCSI 3610.01A supersedes, JCSI 3610.01.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-02   13:48:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

LONDON News: An explosion of disbelief - fresh doubts over 9/11 -- A recent poll by the respected New York Times revealed that three out of four Americans now suspect the U.S. government of not telling the truth about 9/11. This proportion has shot up from a year ago, when half the population said they did not believe the official story of an Al Qaeda attack. Loose Change, the film is a blitz of statistics, photographs pinched from the web, eyewitness accounts and expert testimony, all set to hip-hop music. And it is dramatically changing the way people think about 9/11.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:49:06 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"A recent poll by the respected New York Times revealed that three out of four Americans now suspect the U.S. government of not telling the truth about 9/11. This proportion has shot up from a year ago, when half the population said they did not believe the official story of an Al Qaeda attack."

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:51:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Operation Mockingbird: CIA Media Manipulation

The "old boy network" of socializing, talking shop, and tapping each other for favors outside the halls of government made it inevitable that the CIA and ... www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_01_03_03_mockingbird.html - 21k - Cached - Similar pages

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"A recent poll by the respected New York Times revealed that three out of four Americans now suspect the U.S. government of not telling the truth about 9/11. This proportion has shot up from a year ago, when half the population said they did not believe the official story of an Al Qaeda attack."

The 9/11 Truth Movement is alive and GROWING!

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robin  posted on  2007-12-02   13:54:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The 9/11 Truth Movement is alive and GROWING!

It will not stop until the "Government" tells us the truth.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:58:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Tracking the 19 Hijackers What are they up to now?

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Tracking the 19 Hijackers What are they up to now? At least 9 of them survived 9/11

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:59:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Some of the hijackers worked with or for the US government:

* Zacarias Moussaoui claimed he had been under observation before 9/11 and that the hijackers' movements [WWW] had been facilitated by the U.S. government.

* Mohammed Atta attended the Defense Language Institute at Monterey.

* Three of the alleged hijackers listed their address on drivers licenses and car registrations as the Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Fla.

* One attended "California's Defense Language Institute in Presidio of Monterey, California.

Hijackers-UsAirBaseConnections

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   14:00:15 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Flight 77 Patsies

The [WWW] FBI list named the hijackers of Flight 77 as:

1) Khalid Almihdhar - Possible Saudi national

* Possible resident of San Diego, CA, and New York NY * Alias: Sannan Al-Makki; Khalid Bin Muhammad; 'Addallah Al-Mihdhar; Khalid Mohammad Al-Saqaf

2) Majed Moqed - Possible Saudi national

* Alias: Majed M.GH Moqed; Majed Moqed, Majed Mashaan Moqed

3) Nawaf Alhazmi - Possible Saudi national

* Possible resident of Fort Lee, NJ; Wayne, NJ; San Diego, NJ * Alias: Nawaf Al-Hazmi; Nawaf Al Hazmi; Nawaf M.S. Al Hazmi

4) Salem Alhazmi - Possible Saudi national

* Possible resident of Fort Lee, NJ; Wayne, NJ

5) Hani Hanjour -

* Possible resident of Phoenix, AZ, and San Diego, CA * Alias: Hani Saleh Hanjour; Hani Saleh; Hani Hanjour, Hani Saleh H. Hanjour

Considering that all persons on board all four planes died, how did the FBI come up so quickly with a list of names of the alleged nineteen Arab hijackers - including aliases used by fourteen of them, in some cases seven aliases? Why were there no Arab names on the passenger lists at all? As none of the 19 hijackers names appear on any of the four passenger/crew flight lists, how do the FBI know who they are? Curiously, the FBI lists no dates of birth for any of the Flight 77 hijackers. A name without a birthdate is of dubious probative value. a In fact, at least 2 of the Flight77 "hijackers" are alive: Almihdhar,Khalid and Alhamzi,Salem

The pilot, or whatever was flying the plane that hit the Pentagon, had to perform a difficult manoeuvre to bring his plane around 270 degrees, and effectively land it right at the point where the Pentagon building meets the ground, and apparently did it so well that he hit the building at exactly ground level. Yet the supposed pilot of Flight77, Hanjour,Hani couldn't even fly a single engine Cessna.

CLICK HERE

Flight 77 Patsies

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   14:01:41 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That isn't what I said. I said that some people--and it is probably a large number--are ignorant because they have not taken the time to educate themselves. They go from ignorant to stupid when they make claims (like you do) that the Official Party Line™ is the truth without doing any checking and finding out why it is impossible.

I know how you conspiracy theorists think. You have all the "truth" and the rest of us are just sheeple or ignorant or stupid. This attitude is constantly on display.

You're full of crap.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   20:03:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If I believed that insane Official Conspiracy Theory™, I don't think I would be so quick to tell someone else that they were full of crap. But then you people who love the government think you have all the answers and if not you will make something up.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
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James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-03   10:17:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If I believed that insane Official Conspiracy Theory™, I don't think I would be so quick to tell someone else that they were full of crap. But then you people who love the government think you have all the answers and if not you will make something up.

Conspiracy theorists such as yourself have extremely narrow minds. You cannot accept the fact that others reject your wild speculation so you call them stupid, ignorant or accuse them of loving the government.

Your attitude is quite immature.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-03   10:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

uh huh. You just go on thinking that. Doesn't break my leg or pick my pocket for you to believe stupid stuff that nearly anyone outside of an insane asylum would bust a gut laughing over, or would if so many people hadn't died for a lie.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-03   10:40:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

(JD)And the official version of events is what?

(MC)The most believable and credible explanation.

Believable and credible? How do you come to that conclusion??? Supposedly, though building 7 was not hit by a plane, fires and damage to the building made it collapse - which by the way happened in under 7 seconds from the time of initiation of collapse to the time the roof "hit the ground"...

First, note the layout of the WTC network of buildings:

Now if "fires and damage" were responsible for the collapse of 7 (which is the official version of the events, and ARE the most believable and credible according to you), then what about building 3?

Seems to me like this building suffered considerably MORE damage from debris impact than what was known to have happened to 7 - YET it didn't go completely down...
What about 4?

Seems to me FIRE gutted 4 a LOT worse than what was known to have happened at 7 - YET it didn't go completely down...
What about 5?

Did we ever see fire break out to anywhere NEAR that extent in 7? Didn't think so. What about 6?

Seems 6 REALLY took a debris impact. Want to see the end result of the damages to 5 and 6?

5 is in the foreground to the left, 6 right beside it...

Now I don't see the point of posting the videos of 7 collapsing. You've seen it plenty of times. You just can't explain WHY it happened, especially in light of the EVIDENCE which "stood up" for examination by all with 2 brain cells capable of working in unison.

Building 7 collapsing because of damage from debris impact and fires IS the official explanation. Logic and common sense dictate otherwise. Your statement of the "official version being the most believable and credible explanation" shows you are devoid of common sense and the ability to use logic; because, when something as major as the "official explanation" for the collapse of building 7 comes into question, then the entire story becomes suspect.

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innieway  posted on  2007-12-06   10:24:46 ET  (6 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Anyone who believes the government's whacked out propaganda about the events of 9/11 and the reasons they claimed those buildings collapsed would believe whatever ludicrous tale Bush spouted. They need help but I think it is beyond what any of us can do on these message boards.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-06   10:33:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

911 was an inside job.

What is wrong with you?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-06   10:33:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-06   10:34:25 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

911 was an inside job.

What is wrong with you?

Mister Clean holds that the sun rises and sets in Crawford Texas. Does that shed some light on his blathering?

Cynicom  posted on  2007-12-06   10:36:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They need help but I think it is beyond what any of us can do on these message boards.

Yeah, I know it is. I just like presenting MC with solid arguments to which he has no rebuttals. He usually responds to them with ad-hominem attacks, and other of the 25 ways to identify a disinfo agent. I suspect this time will be no different - I was just curious as to which of the "ways" it will be this time...

America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards. On the road to tyranny, we've gone so far that polite political action is about as useless as a miniskirt in a convent.
Claire Wolfe

The true measure of success is not what you have, but what you can do without.
H. Jackson Brown

innieway  posted on  2007-12-06   10:49:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-06   11:44:30 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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