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Title: THE NEW OFFICIAL "Loose Change Final Cut" - Now on Google Video
Source: http://video.google.com/
URL Source: http://video.google.com/videoplay?d ... 00&so=0&type=search&plindex=10
Published: Dec 1, 2007
Author: www.livevideo.com
Post Date: 2007-12-01 19:57:38 by robin
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Louder Than Words

2 hr 10 min 8 sec - Nov 11, 200

www.livevideo.com

Loose Change Final Cut - Loose Change Final Cut

A Louder Than Words Production - The Loose Change crew did a great job compiling this ... all » massive amount of evidence in support for a new investigation. This is a great starting point for anyone who is interested in 911 truth. But viewer beware, certain highly discussed subjects within the truth movement have been withheld from the audience; whether for simplicity's sake, or rather as an attempt to keep your minds under control of the military industrial complex, I am NOT amused. Media complicity, including foreknowledge and premeditated cooperation are extravagantly evident with in all the recorded media of that day. In fact the event itself was a military level media hoax/psychological operation/black op. Once you search a little further down the rabbit hole you will find that Loose Change has only dug so deep. Kudos to all you European Truthers, I know your watchin'...

recommended video documentaries

Google Video: "Morgan Reynolds Fox News" "911 The Explosive Reality" "September 11 Television Archive" (includes 3 days straight of all nationwide news stations) "TV Fakery"

Livevideo.com: "September Clues" "911 a Fake Odyssey" "911 Flatline" "911 octopus"

If you would like to support Loose Change goto www.loosechangefinalcut.com and order a High Quality DVD, or search a torrent site for it...

Alex Jones, Loose Change, you used to be my heroes, but you are either compromised, or are still trapped in the matrix. TV FAKERY SHALL NO LONGER BE TABOO.

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#1. To: robin (#0)

I haven't seen it yet but I will play it on TV.

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Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2007-12-01   21:28:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

After watching this final cut I am more hopeful than ever that the no-good sons of satanic bitches responsible will be first arrested, then convicted and finally hung publicly on international television. We as a people cannot let this pass or we are more dead than the victims of this heinous crime.

Authority figures in position to investigate and solve the crimes of 9-11 have thusfar failed miserably to earn their paychecks, and actually deserve to be tried as accesories after the fact.

Edit: This nation has suffered the most serious blow to its integrity ever, and it is my fervent prayer that the miserable fucks responsible will be made to stand trial and view this video testimony during their trials, and prior to their hanging.

The rap song "Loose Change" is awesome ... it's at the end of the video.

"Paper is poverty,... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1788. ME 7:36

noone222  posted on  2007-12-02   7:12:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"Paper is poverty,... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1788. ME 7:36

noone222  posted on  2007-12-02   7:54:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Loose Change Final Cut - Loose Change Final Cut

What happened to the theatrical release that was supposed to be narrated by Charlie Sheen?

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   10:07:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hey, what did I tell you about posting here? Your assignment is over. Report back to Jim Robinson immediately for new orders. And please stick to the evil Iran script, OK? That new Hitler needs killing.

Thanks,

Abe

Dempsy  posted on  2007-12-02   10:12:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hey, what did I tell you about posting here?

I don't know, I wasn't paying attention.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   10:16:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I wasn't paying attention.

We've come to expect that from you. Now go play in traffic.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-12-02   10:21:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

www.endgamethemovie.com/

www.endgamethemovie.com/highofficial.html

or do you mean Terrorstorm?

or do you mean "Marial Law 9/11: Rise of the Police State"

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robin  posted on  2007-12-02   11:04:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I wasn't paying attention.

No excuses, boy. You've been trained to perform at a higher level. Your next lapse of judgment will require the removal of your name from the SPLCs Holiday greeting card list.

Dempsy  posted on  2007-12-02   11:12:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I wasn't paying attention.

What's the problem, ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder)? I have heard that they have meds for that now. Maybe you could check into that, might be just what you need.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-02   11:16:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

or do you mean Terrorstorm?

I mean, what happened to Charlie Sheen narrating "Loose Change?"

I suspect he came to his senses.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   11:16:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Your next lapse of judgment will require the removal of your name from the SPLCs Holiday greeting card list.

I'm not sentimental.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   11:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What's the problem, ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder)?

What's the deal with "Loose Change?" What happened to the theatrical release? What happened to Charlie Sheen?

Here's the deal: the Internet popularity of "Loose Change" was the peak of the 9/11 "truth" movement.

It's all downhill from here.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   11:20:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It seems Charlie Sheen was threatened. His father speaks out here; http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/291007_sheen_questions.htm

www.911blogger.com/node/7156

Fox and O'Reilly Threaten Sheen Over Narrating Loose Change 3rd Edition - jonesreport.com

FOX News Threatens Sheen & Cuban Not to Make Film
Report that Actor Might Narrate Theatrical Version of Loose Change Prompts Mafioso O'Reilly to Warn Against Film's Distribution-- "You're Not Gonna Come Back"

FOX News' Bill O'Reilly warned actor Charlie Sheen not to do narration for a theatrical version of Loose Change, threatening "If he voices this, he's through" and stating plainly, "Don't do this. You're not gonna come back from it if you do."

This follows a hit piece by the New York Post's Page 6 who suggested "some celebrities don't know when to keep their mouths shut" after reporting on mainstream actors Rosie O'Donnell and Charlie Sheen's 'throwing their weight" behind 'twisted theories' regarding 9/11-- especially in light of reporting that Loose Change may be distributed by Dallas Mavericks owner and billionaire Mark Cuban.

Despite mafioso-like tactics on the part of both O'Reilly and the Post, O'Reilly claimed that his attempt at intimidation was "not a threat" while his guest, Det. Bo Dietl, dog-piled into the cryptic warnings that "Martin Sheen's kid there better watch it."

In reality, O'Reilly is so desperate to contain 9/11 Truth-- and bat away support from mainstream celebrities from publicly supporting what he calls the "far-left fringe-- that he has little recourse but to lump vague threats on top of untenable straw men arguments and ad hominem attacks-- which were also included in the hit piece.

Guest Det. Bo Dietl claimed that 9/11 Truth was a "disgrace to the families"-- despite that fact that most of the families support a new, independent investigation of 9/11 and that the head of the largest 9/11 families group, Bill Doyle, knows that 9/11 was an inside job. Doyle also reports that over half of the families completely distrust the government's official story.

Guest Gerald Posner-- also a shill/author for the JFK official story-- slandered that O'Donnell's posting of information about the WTC7 collapse shouldn't be allowed and is like saying the "Holocaust didn't exist." This anti-semitic theme was repeated by he and other guests in attempts to compare Loose Change "propaganda" with that of the 3rd Reich and to link 9/11 Truth with theories that Israel carried out the attacks.

Meanwhile, what the New York Post called 'Hollywood's 9/11 Idiot Brigade' was also referred to on FOX as "wackos," "complete moron stuff" and-- conversely-- 'slick disinformation' 'like Oliver Stone's JFK propaganda' film.

While Dietl threatened "We won't watch that 2 1/2 kids thing at all," it was clear in O'Reilly's demeanor that full realization of defeat had sunk in-- the 9/11 cover-up had failed.

Just as Det. Dietl tried to explain away the WTC7 implosion-- which he acknowledged, but claimed was due to the 'heaviness' of debris from the towers, which he said "melted like potato chips"-- O'Reilly cut off his side's fruitless attempts to debate on the basis of logical, "DON'T CONFUSE THEM WITH FACTS" bridging instead into more familiar territory-- "I just don't get the hatred for the country."

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robin  posted on  2007-12-02   11:22:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Truth About Charlie Sheen & Loose Change
www.prisonplanet.com/arti...280507truthaboutsheen.htm

Concerted effort of controlled media to spin actor's role in film, attack 9/11 truth movement

RELATED: Charlie Sheen Responds To New York Post Hit Piece

The New York Post and others have undertaken a concerted attack on 9/11 truth, erecting a wall of unified lies and spin in an attempt to make it appear as if Charlie Sheen and Rosie O'Donnell are backing away from the movement.

In an article entitled Sheen Rethinks Nutty 9/11 Film, tabloid hack Richard Johnson writes;

SUPPORT for the loopy 9/11 documentary "Loose Change" - which argues that the World Trade Center terror attack was part of a secret U.S. government conspiracy - is quickly losing steam.

A source tells us Charlie Sheen "is having second thoughts" about being involved in an updated version of the flick, which has a huge following on YouTube. As Page Six reported in March, Sheen had agreed to narrate the ridiculous flick, presumably to give it some needed Hollywood sizzle.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-02   11:24:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

FOX News' Bill O'Reilly warned actor Charlie Sheen not to do narration for a theatrical version of Loose Change, threatening "If he voices this, he's through" and stating plainly, "Don't do this. You're not gonna come back from it if you do."

This follows a hit piece by the New York Post's Page 6 who suggested "some celebrities don't know when to keep their mouths shut" after reporting on mainstream actors Rosie O'Donnell and Charlie Sheen's 'throwing their weight" behind 'twisted theories' regarding 9/11-- especially in light of reporting that Loose Change may be distributed by Dallas Mavericks owner and billionaire Mark Cuban.

So Sheen and Cuban are big wimps.

Got it.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   11:25:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Charlie Sheen never agreed to narrate the movie - he has been in talks to explore this possibility but will not come to a final decision until after the film is completed.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-02   11:26:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Charlie Sheen never agreed to narrate the movie

Smart guy.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   11:33:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Alex Jones, Loose Change, you used to be my heroes, but you are either compromised, or are still trapped in the matrix. TV FAKERY SHALL NO LONGER BE TABOO.

I wonder about the significance of these remarks. It looks like the person who posted this video has a bone to pick with loose change and AJ. Which parts of this movie led him to say that? hmmm....

I watched it a while ago on google.nl.

I noticed it was a bit better than the 1st, but it still left out some important facts. I think parts of Pandoras Black Box Chapter Two should have been indcluded, concerning the pentagon, and Honway pretty much proved that the so called damage to the S.W. corner of building 7 didn't exist. I think Honway may have distributed that info about, and I know I did, to every credit worthy 9/11 site out there.

So while it is better than the 1st, it is still lacking some serious evidence.

I guess maybe they had to leave out some stuff or it would have to be a 6 week mini series. lol

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Critter  posted on  2007-12-02   11:48:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Smart guy.

You should be envious of people with the capacity to think.

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Critter  posted on  2007-12-02   11:49:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You should be envious of people with the capacity to think.

So you think Sheen was smart to avoid the "Loose Change" foolishness too.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   11:53:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Depends on what motivates him. If his career is important to him, then it could be considered a smart move. His career would probably have been toast.

That in itself though, is more evidence that the official story is a big lie. Why would the attack dogs be sent out to silence someone if not to protect the lie?

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Critter  posted on  2007-12-02   11:56:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What, do you have a problem with the truth? The way you put quote marks around it would indicate that.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-02   12:00:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why would the attack dogs be sent out to silence someone if not to protect the lie?

So is everyone who criticizes the "truth" movement really in on the conspiracy?

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   12:04:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What, do you have a problem with the truth?

9/11 "truth" is just another conspiracy theory.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   12:05:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And the official version of events is what? To claim (and believe) that not just one but three steel-framed skyscrapers collapsed in one day due to fire when none ever had before or since and which were designed to withstand the impacts of planes as big as the ones that hit 1 and 2 (and no plane hit 7) is goofy beyond belief. Only someone sold out lock, stock and barrel to the government would believe any such deluded nonsense.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-02   12:12:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And the official version of events is what?

The most believable and credible explanation.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   12:14:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So is everyone who criticizes the "truth" movement really in on the conspiracy?

I don't know, you tell me.

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Critter  posted on  2007-12-02   12:15:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So is everyone who criticizes the "truth" movement really in on the conspiracy?

I don't know, you tell me.

To paranoid people, definitely.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   12:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

One interesting angle of investigation is the Bush-appointees on the 9/11 commission. For example:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Lehman

who is a member of the Center for Security Policy.

Were any of their ambitions bolstered by 9/11 commission report content?

buckeye  posted on  2007-12-02   12:20:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, of course it is--or would be if we weren't being asked to believe what almost any sane person would right off as the ravings of crackpots. If you believe the Official Party Line™ about the events of 9/11 it is obvious you haven't done much research or you're just willing to believe whatever the government says, no matter how ridiculous it is.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-02   12:20:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What about the fact that Bush tried to foist Kissinger off on us for the coverup? LOL!

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-02   12:22:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That was amusing. More amusing in hindsight, given Kissinger's connections to the Rockefeller family.

buckeye  posted on  2007-12-02   12:25:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There is some dissent among the 9/11 truth movement. I'm not sure what this guy's problem is with AJ, he doesn't explain himself here.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-02   12:28:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If you believe the Official Party Line™ about the events of 9/11 it is obvious you haven't done much research or you're just willing to believe whatever the government says, no matter how ridiculous it is.

I believe the US government pissed off the wrong Muslims who then decided to get some revenge by attacking US targets in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kenya and Tanzania, Lebanon and so on until they were able to do something here in the US.

You believe in something built entirely on speculation.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   12:29:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But you just indulged in speculation yourself!

What the 9/11 truth movement has proven is that the official govt explanation is BULLSHIT. In fact, the govt explanation is so utterly without science and logic, it requires fairy dust to believe in it.

Exactly what happened on 9/11 is where the speculation comes into the 9/11 truth movement.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-02   12:36:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, that's the ticket. 19 ragheads (most, if not all of whom were Saudis by the way), "hated us for our freedom" and under the direction of another raghead in a cave in Afghanistan commandeered jetliners which none of them could fly. Because the ones they claimed were doing the flying couldn't fly a freakin' Cessna! You and your handlers need to come up with better stories. Of course you and people like you can get over on people who never pay any attention and who believe just about anything that has an official stamp on it but thinking people's bs meters go off when they hear tales like that.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-02   12:37:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But you just indulged in speculation yourself!

Not at all. Muslim extremists have been attacking US targets for many years now because of US foreign policy.

What the 9/11 truth movement has proven is that the official govt explanation is BULLSHIT. In fact, the govt explanation is so utterly without science and logic, it requires fairy dust to believe in it.

The "truth" movement has "proven" nothing. The entire "truth" movement is built on speculation based mostly on video clips.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   12:39:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I suspect he came to his senses.

Obviously you have not.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   12:41:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   12:41:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, that's the ticket. 19 ragheads (most, if not all of whom were Saudis by the way), "hated us for our freedom"

I never said they "hated us for our freedom."

and under the direction of another raghead in a cave in Afghanistan commandeered jetliners which none of them could fly. Because the ones they claimed were doing the flying couldn't fly a freakin' Cessna! You and your handlers need to come up with better stories. Of course you and people like you can get over on people who never pay any attention and who believe just about anything that has an official stamp on it but thinking people's bs meters go off when they hear tales like that.

Classic conspiracy theory mentality: anyone who doesn't believe in the conspiracy is a non-thinker. You people are as arrogant as the neocons.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   12:43:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie

911Truth.org ::::: The 9/11 Truth Movement

... www.911truth.org, so long as the full source URL (">http://www.911truth. org/article.php?story=20050523112738404 in this case) is posted with the article. ... www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050523112738404 - 47k - Jan 23, 2007 - Cached -

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   12:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77

By Thomas R. Olmsted, M.D

Physics911, by Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven, 9/11/2001

Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77. By Thomas R. Olmsted, M.D. I am an ex Naval line officer and a psychiatrist in private practice in New Orleans, ... www.physics911.net/olmsted - 22k - Cached -

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   12:47:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

THE FEMA REPORT ON WORLD TRADE CENTER 7 COLLAPSE IS A TOTAL JOKE ...

medium, text, image, audio, video, other. translate. deutsch, de » en, español, es » en, français, fr » en, italiano, it » en, norsk, portug, pt » en ... www.whatreallyhappened.com/fema_report.html - 105k - Cached -

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   12:47:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

1. I never said they "hated us for our freedom."

2. Classic conspiracy theory mentality: anyone who doesn't believe in the conspiracy is a non-thinker. You people are as arrogant as the neocons.

1. So you don't believe in the fuehrer's pronouncement? And anyone who hates Americans for their alleged freedom have been woefully mislead. People today aren't nearly as free as their grandparents or great-grandparents were.

2. And anyone who believes in the Official Party Line™ about the events of 9/11 may not be arrogant but they sure are ignorant. And that is not a slam. Ignorance can be cured through education if people want to overcome it but willful stupidity is forever.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-02   12:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

With all due respect you don't actually believe that he is going to read any of the stuff you linked for him, do you? People like that don't want to be confused with any facts because their alleged minds are already made up.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-02   12:53:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Not at all. Muslim extremists have been attacking US targets for many years now because of US foreign policy.

So the best way to commit murder is to mimic the current serial murderer. Not even original, Agatha Christie wrote about such a plot in the "ABC Murders", back in the '30s.

The "truth" movement has "proven" nothing. The entire "truth" movement is built on speculation based mostly on video clips.

Well that's a very limited way of looking at it. The 9/11 truth movement is also based on the testimony of New York's finest and bravest, as well as other eyewitness testimony.

The 9/11 Truth movement also gets its facts from the laws of physics.

Then there are the delicious "coincidences".

Like Lucky Larry Silverstein, who leased the WTC from the Port Authority in July of 2001:
In total, Silverstein was awarded nearly $5 billion in insurance money following the destruction of the Twin Towers [14]. He plans to use some or all of the settlement to rebuild. [15]

The FT fails to mention that Silverstein bought the $3.2 billion towers with a sliver of equity—$125 million, a whopping 4 percent down—most of it from silent partner Lloyd Goldman, whose behind-the-scenes role has never been adequately explained. Silverstein then borrowed equity—if that’s possible—from bondholders, layering on debt like a teetering Dagwood sandwich.

Then, he underinsured the property by more than half in a slapdash process that left the paperwork undone by the time the towers fell, creating the need for his dog-and-pony suit against Swiss Re and other insurers that author Steven Brill predicted, correctly, as early as April 2003, that Silverstein would lose (which he did, but only after years and hundreds of millions of dollars—enough to build something—was wasted on the legal fight).

This suit created the illusion that Silverstein could obtain $7 billion and would therefore be able to fulfill the rebuilding requirements of his lease. Without this doomed attempt to force insurers to fund the redevelopment project, Silverstein’s financial shortfall would have been obvious for the world to see. But the Port Authority, the site’s owner, supported the legal action.

Of course there is PNAC's interest in a "new Pearl Harbor event".

And if you follow the money, there were some very odd stock transactions that day.

And the president's brother was the CEO of the company in charge of the security of WTC.

There are many more coincidences, that have nothing to do with videos, if you are so disinclined to watch video clips.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-02   12:59:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

With all due respect you don't actually believe that he is going to read any of the stuff you linked for him, do you?

Mister Clean does not want to know the truth.

You never know who might see this thread. People from all over the world have access to freedom4um.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:00:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html

www.serendipity.li/wot/pilger_on_standdown.htm
General Ralph Eberhart, commander of the North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD). "Air force jet fighters could have intercepted hijacked airliners roaring towards the World Trade Center and Pentagon," he said, "if only air traffic controllers had asked for help 13 minutes sooner ... We would have been able to shoot down all three ... all four of them."

Why did this not happen?

The Kean report makes clear that "the defence of US aerospace on 9/11 was not conducted in accord with pre-existing training and protocols ... If a hijack was confirmed, procedures called for the hijack coordinator on duty to contact the Pentagon's National Military Command Center (NMCC) ... The NMCC would then seek approval from the office of the Secretary of Defence to provide military assistance ... "

Uniquely, this did not happen.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-02   13:01:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

• September 16, 2001 - President Bush says Osama Bin Laden is the "prime suspect."

"Q Mr. President, do you believe Osama bin Laden's denial that he had anything to do with this?

THE PRESIDENT: No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that." - White House (09/16/01)

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President Bush says Osama Bin Laden is the "prime suspect."

"Q Mr. President, do you believe Osama bin Laden's denial that he had anything to do with this?

THE PRESIDENT: No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that." - White House (09/16/01)

Remember, on June 5, 2006, FBI spokesman, Chief of Investigative Publicity Rex Tomb said, “The FBI has no hard evidence connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11.” This should be headline news worldwide. The challenge to the reader is to find out why it is not. Why has the U.S. media blindly read the government-provided 9/11 scripts, rather than investigate without passion, prejudice, or bias, the events of September 11, 2001? Why has the U.S. media blacklisted any guest that might speak of a government sponsored 9/11 cover-up, rather than seeking out those people who have something to say about 9/11 that is contrary to the government’s account? And on those few rare occasions when a 9/11 dissenter has made it upon the airways, why has the mainstream media ridiculed the guest as a conspiracy nut, rather than listen to the evidence that clearly raises valid questions about the government’s 9/11 account? Why is the Big Media Conglomeration blindly content with the government’s 9/11 story when so much verifiable information to the contrary is available with a few clicks of a computer mouse?

Who is it that is controlling the media message, and how is it that the U.S. media has indicted Usama Bin Laden for the events of September 11, 2001, but the U.S. government has not? How is it that the FBI has no “hard evidence” connecting Usama Bin Laden to the events of September 11, 2001, while the U.S. media has played the Bin Laden - 9/11 connection story for five years now as if it has conclusive evidence that Bin Laden is responsible for the collapse of the twin towers, the Pentagon attack, and the demise of United Flight 93?

…No hard evidence connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11… Think about it.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:01:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You never know who might see this thread. People from all over the world have access to freedom4um.

Good point.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-02   13:06:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

1. So you don't believe in the fuehrer's pronouncement?

Isn't it obvious?

2. And anyone who believes in the Official Party Line™ about the events of 9/11 may not be arrogant but they sure are ignorant. And that is not a slam. Ignorance can be cured through education if people want to overcome it but willful stupidity is forever.

The conspiracy theorists are the arrogant ones who declare anyone who doesn't believe in their 9/11 "truth" to be stupid as you did above.

Get over yourself.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   13:13:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

With all due respect you don't actually believe that he is going to read any of the stuff you linked for him, do you?

I ignore most of TwentyTwelve's crap.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   13:14:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I ignore most of TwentyTwelve's crap.

We know.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:17:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Kean report makes clear that "the defence of US aerospace on 9/11 was not conducted in accord with pre-existing training and protocols ... If a hijack was confirmed, procedures called for the hijack coordinator on duty to contact the Pentagon's National Military Command Center (NMCC) ... The NMCC would then seek approval from the office of the Secretary of Defence to provide military assistance ... "

That doesn't prove 9/11 was an inside job.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   13:20:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:20:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:21:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:22:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"I ignore most of TwentyTwelve's crap."

Conversely, we ignore your brain farts, buddy. Thanks for sharing.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-12-02   13:23:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Not by itself.

But taken together with all the other "coincidences" it is very damning evidence. Why did our jets stood down that day? Why was there such a command?

whatreallyhappened.com/911stand.html

The US military has spent billions of dollars developing stealth aircraft which are invisible to radar so they can mount surprise attacks on adversaries, but it seems they should have saved their money and bought a fleet of airliners because they appear to be far more effective.

On 9/11 the world's only military superpower was apparently oblivious to the location of rogue airliners in it's airspace for over an hour, and military commanders were left perplexed on how to deal with the situation of hijackers using these planes as flying bombs.

Click for full sized image This confusion resulted in fighter jets flying around aimlessly whilst the hierarchy fully assessed what was going on, and this total lack of cohesion ultimately led to the loss of nearly 3000 lives.

All that was required to overcome America's military might on 9/11 were 19 hijackers on 4 airliners.

Does this sound plausible to you?

It's what you're expected to believe.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-02   13:24:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I ignore most of TwentyTwelve's crap.

Yeah, you need to be really careful or you might learn something. And an actual thought would probably bust your head.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-02   13:24:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But taken together with all the other "coincidences" it is very damning evidence. Why did our jets stood down that day? Why was there such a command?

This is where the speculation comes in.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   13:25:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The conspiracy theorists are the arrogant ones who declare anyone who doesn't believe in their 9/11 "truth" to be stupid as you did above.

That isn't what I said. I said that some people--and it is probably a large number--are ignorant because they have not taken the time to educate themselves. They go from ignorant to stupid when they make claims (like you do) that the Official Party Line™ is the truth without doing any checking and finding out why it is impossible.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-02   13:30:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The USAF response against Flight 11

None

The USAF response against Flight 175 8:45 a.m. - United Airlines Flight 175 is taken over by five hijackers who use knives, Mace and the threat of a bomb. Both pilots are killed and the plane is diverted southward to New York City.

8:53 a.m. - Unaware that their intended target has already crashed into the World Trade Center, the F-15s from Otis Air Force Base are sent to military-controlled airspace off Long Island and ordered to remain in a holding pattern until between 9:09 and 9:13 a.m. [National Geographic]

Flight 11 had crashed into World Trade Center 1, and Flight 175 was hijacked and heading toward New York.

Fighter jets were ordered to stay in a holding pattern off Long Island.

Why weren't they ordered to protect New York?

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robin  posted on  2007-12-02   13:32:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

9/11 Mysteries (Full Length, High Qualaity) - Google Video

This is a brand new public domain 9/11 Truth documentary about the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center complex. It's excellent...., 1 hr 30 min ... video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003 - 97k - Jan 29, 2007 - Cached -

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:45:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:46:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

911review.com/means/standdown.html

The 'Stand-Down Order'

The shocking failure of the air defense system to protect New York City and the capital would seem to require either an incredible series of failures or an order to stop intercepts -- a stand-down order. Yet apparently there have been no cases of military officials disciplined for gross negligence surrounding 9/11/01, nor have there been publicized reports of commanders admitting to having received stand-down orders.

If the stand-down order were disguised as a procedural change, and enacted well in advance, it might be hidden in plain sight.

CJCSI 3610.01, dated July 31, 1997, required that all requests for asistance in hijackings be approved by the Secretary of Defense. An update to that order, CJCSI 3610.01, dated June 1, 2001, had an exception for emergencies that would seem to give commanders in the field autonomy in ordering intercepts. However, that exception did not cover requests for "potentially lethal assistance", the kind required to respond to the attack:

(DODD 2025.15, Feb. 18, 1997) 4.4 The Secretary of Defense retains approval authority for support to civil authorities involving: use of Commander in Chief (CINC)-assigned forces (personnel units, and equipment) when required under paragraph 4.5, below; DoD support that will result in a planned event with the potential for confrontation with specifically identified individuals and/or goups or will result in the use of lethal force. 1

Hence, this order may have been the long-sought stand-down order.

If it is true that the standing orders would have required approval by the Secretary of Defense for intercepts on 9/11/01, then, in theory, a defacto stand-down could have been implemented by the secretary simply failing to act during the crisis. However, it is doubful that insiders planning the attack would have relied on the orders alone to assure that there was no effective military response to the attack. It was likely one of a number of "fixes" that included multiple war games planned on the day of the attack. Thus, even if commanders violated standing orders and ordered intercepts of the commandeered jetliners, they would face depleted interceptor resources and corrupted flight data.

The following post starts with the June 1st order and goes on about Rumsfeld. It fails to note Reference D, explained in Jerry Russell's stand-down post, and fails to note the order which JCSI 3610.01A supersedes, JCSI 3610.01.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-02   13:48:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

LONDON News: An explosion of disbelief - fresh doubts over 9/11 -- A recent poll by the respected New York Times revealed that three out of four Americans now suspect the U.S. government of not telling the truth about 9/11. This proportion has shot up from a year ago, when half the population said they did not believe the official story of an Al Qaeda attack. Loose Change, the film is a blitz of statistics, photographs pinched from the web, eyewitness accounts and expert testimony, all set to hip-hop music. And it is dramatically changing the way people think about 9/11.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:49:06 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"A recent poll by the respected New York Times revealed that three out of four Americans now suspect the U.S. government of not telling the truth about 9/11. This proportion has shot up from a year ago, when half the population said they did not believe the official story of an Al Qaeda attack."

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:51:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Operation Mockingbird: CIA Media Manipulation

The "old boy network" of socializing, talking shop, and tapping each other for favors outside the halls of government made it inevitable that the CIA and ... www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_01_03_03_mockingbird.html - 21k - Cached - Similar pages

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"A recent poll by the respected New York Times revealed that three out of four Americans now suspect the U.S. government of not telling the truth about 9/11. This proportion has shot up from a year ago, when half the population said they did not believe the official story of an Al Qaeda attack."

The 9/11 Truth Movement is alive and GROWING!

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robin  posted on  2007-12-02   13:54:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The 9/11 Truth Movement is alive and GROWING!

It will not stop until the "Government" tells us the truth.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:58:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Tracking the 19 Hijackers What are they up to now?

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Tracking the 19 Hijackers What are they up to now? At least 9 of them survived 9/11

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   13:59:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Some of the hijackers worked with or for the US government:

* Zacarias Moussaoui claimed he had been under observation before 9/11 and that the hijackers' movements [WWW] had been facilitated by the U.S. government.

* Mohammed Atta attended the Defense Language Institute at Monterey.

* Three of the alleged hijackers listed their address on drivers licenses and car registrations as the Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Fla.

* One attended "California's Defense Language Institute in Presidio of Monterey, California.

Hijackers-UsAirBaseConnections

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   14:00:15 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Flight 77 Patsies

The [WWW] FBI list named the hijackers of Flight 77 as:

1) Khalid Almihdhar - Possible Saudi national

* Possible resident of San Diego, CA, and New York NY * Alias: Sannan Al-Makki; Khalid Bin Muhammad; 'Addallah Al-Mihdhar; Khalid Mohammad Al-Saqaf

2) Majed Moqed - Possible Saudi national

* Alias: Majed M.GH Moqed; Majed Moqed, Majed Mashaan Moqed

3) Nawaf Alhazmi - Possible Saudi national

* Possible resident of Fort Lee, NJ; Wayne, NJ; San Diego, NJ * Alias: Nawaf Al-Hazmi; Nawaf Al Hazmi; Nawaf M.S. Al Hazmi

4) Salem Alhazmi - Possible Saudi national

* Possible resident of Fort Lee, NJ; Wayne, NJ

5) Hani Hanjour -

* Possible resident of Phoenix, AZ, and San Diego, CA * Alias: Hani Saleh Hanjour; Hani Saleh; Hani Hanjour, Hani Saleh H. Hanjour

Considering that all persons on board all four planes died, how did the FBI come up so quickly with a list of names of the alleged nineteen Arab hijackers - including aliases used by fourteen of them, in some cases seven aliases? Why were there no Arab names on the passenger lists at all? As none of the 19 hijackers names appear on any of the four passenger/crew flight lists, how do the FBI know who they are? Curiously, the FBI lists no dates of birth for any of the Flight 77 hijackers. A name without a birthdate is of dubious probative value. a In fact, at least 2 of the Flight77 "hijackers" are alive: Almihdhar,Khalid and Alhamzi,Salem

The pilot, or whatever was flying the plane that hit the Pentagon, had to perform a difficult manoeuvre to bring his plane around 270 degrees, and effectively land it right at the point where the Pentagon building meets the ground, and apparently did it so well that he hit the building at exactly ground level. Yet the supposed pilot of Flight77, Hanjour,Hani couldn't even fly a single engine Cessna.

CLICK HERE

Flight 77 Patsies

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-02   14:01:41 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That isn't what I said. I said that some people--and it is probably a large number--are ignorant because they have not taken the time to educate themselves. They go from ignorant to stupid when they make claims (like you do) that the Official Party Line™ is the truth without doing any checking and finding out why it is impossible.

I know how you conspiracy theorists think. You have all the "truth" and the rest of us are just sheeple or ignorant or stupid. This attitude is constantly on display.

You're full of crap.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-02   20:03:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If I believed that insane Official Conspiracy Theory™, I don't think I would be so quick to tell someone else that they were full of crap. But then you people who love the government think you have all the answers and if not you will make something up.

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-03   10:17:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If I believed that insane Official Conspiracy Theory™, I don't think I would be so quick to tell someone else that they were full of crap. But then you people who love the government think you have all the answers and if not you will make something up.

Conspiracy theorists such as yourself have extremely narrow minds. You cannot accept the fact that others reject your wild speculation so you call them stupid, ignorant or accuse them of loving the government.

Your attitude is quite immature.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-12-03   10:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

uh huh. You just go on thinking that. Doesn't break my leg or pick my pocket for you to believe stupid stuff that nearly anyone outside of an insane asylum would bust a gut laughing over, or would if so many people hadn't died for a lie.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
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James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-03   10:40:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

(JD)And the official version of events is what?

(MC)The most believable and credible explanation.

Believable and credible? How do you come to that conclusion??? Supposedly, though building 7 was not hit by a plane, fires and damage to the building made it collapse - which by the way happened in under 7 seconds from the time of initiation of collapse to the time the roof "hit the ground"...

First, note the layout of the WTC network of buildings:

Now if "fires and damage" were responsible for the collapse of 7 (which is the official version of the events, and ARE the most believable and credible according to you), then what about building 3?

Seems to me like this building suffered considerably MORE damage from debris impact than what was known to have happened to 7 - YET it didn't go completely down...
What about 4?

Seems to me FIRE gutted 4 a LOT worse than what was known to have happened at 7 - YET it didn't go completely down...
What about 5?

Did we ever see fire break out to anywhere NEAR that extent in 7? Didn't think so. What about 6?

Seems 6 REALLY took a debris impact. Want to see the end result of the damages to 5 and 6?

5 is in the foreground to the left, 6 right beside it...

Now I don't see the point of posting the videos of 7 collapsing. You've seen it plenty of times. You just can't explain WHY it happened, especially in light of the EVIDENCE which "stood up" for examination by all with 2 brain cells capable of working in unison.

Building 7 collapsing because of damage from debris impact and fires IS the official explanation. Logic and common sense dictate otherwise. Your statement of the "official version being the most believable and credible explanation" shows you are devoid of common sense and the ability to use logic; because, when something as major as the "official explanation" for the collapse of building 7 comes into question, then the entire story becomes suspect.

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innieway  posted on  2007-12-06   10:24:46 ET  (6 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Anyone who believes the government's whacked out propaganda about the events of 9/11 and the reasons they claimed those buildings collapsed would believe whatever ludicrous tale Bush spouted. They need help but I think it is beyond what any of us can do on these message boards.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
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James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-06   10:33:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

911 was an inside job.

What is wrong with you?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-06   10:33:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-06   10:34:25 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

911 was an inside job.

What is wrong with you?

Mister Clean holds that the sun rises and sets in Crawford Texas. Does that shed some light on his blathering?

Cynicom  posted on  2007-12-06   10:36:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They need help but I think it is beyond what any of us can do on these message boards.

Yeah, I know it is. I just like presenting MC with solid arguments to which he has no rebuttals. He usually responds to them with ad-hominem attacks, and other of the 25 ways to identify a disinfo agent. I suspect this time will be no different - I was just curious as to which of the "ways" it will be this time...

America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards. On the road to tyranny, we've gone so far that polite political action is about as useless as a miniskirt in a convent.
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The true measure of success is not what you have, but what you can do without.
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innieway  posted on  2007-12-06   10:49:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-06   11:44:30 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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