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Title: Americans believe in God -- and hell, UFOs, witches, astrology: poll (and miracles - we could use one)
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Raw Story
URL Source: http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Americ ... n_God_and_hell_U_12042007.html
Published: Dec 4, 2007
Author: AFP
Post Date: 2007-12-04 17:15:46 by robin
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Views: 4471
Comments: 110
An overwhelming majority of Americans believe in God and signicant numbers also think that UFOs, the devil and ghosts exist, a poll showed Tuesday. The survey by Harris Online showed that 82 percent of adult Americans believe in God and a slightly smaller percentage -- 79 percent -- believe in miracles. More than 70 percent of the 2,455 adults surveyed between November 7 and 13 said they believe in heaven and angels, while more than six in 10 said they believed in hell and the devil. Almost equal numbers said they believe in Darwin's theory of evolution (42 percent) -- the belief that populations evolve over time through natural selection -- and creationism (39 percent) -- the theory that God created mankind. Seventy percent of Americans said they were very (21 percent) or somewhat (49 percent) religious, while around one-third of those polled also said they believe in UFOs, witches and astrology.
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#21. To: robin, Alan Chapman, TwentyTwelve, all (#0)
I am short on time at the moment so I don't have time for a detailed deconstruction but note the following: By conflating all of these together it is an assertion of equivalence i.e., that UFOs=Witches=Astrology. When you see that kind of false reasoning you can know that the author is dishonest or is working PsyOps. Which of those has a substantial body of objective evidence and credible witnesses? UFOs. Which of those has the government consistently attacked via derision and their various operatives such as Michael Schermer? UFOs. Why? Because it is a world view shifting datum which holds the potential to upset the 1984 society that is being built. The "Septics" Society and others of their ilk, such as the less than amazing Randi, have over and over again been shown to lie, use strawmen, and character assassination to advance their agenda of defending the official paradigm.
There isn't a shred of evidence of visitation by aliens in flying saucers. Even with the proliferation of billions of cameras, camera phones, and video cameras there still isn't any compelling evidence. All of those old b/w photos of flying saucers are nothing but people tossing pie pans and hub caps into the air. Witnesses are always referred to as credible. They're often unsure of what they've seen. Many have conflicting testimony. Michael Shermer is a government operative? That's laughable. He and Randi have done outstanding work exposing charlatans and quacks. I especially like the way Randi exposed Uri Geller, Peter Popoff, and James Hydrick (who later confessed to being a fraud).
In fact Alan, take a peek at post 22 while you're at it...
On June 24, 1947, Kenneth Arnold claimed that he'd seen nine "crescent shaped" aircraft near Mount Rainier. He said they reminded him of saucers skimming over water. An editor of the Eastern Oregonian reported that Arnold saw "round" objects. Other reports noted "disc-shaped" objects. Within a few weeks, there were hundreds of reports nationwide of sightings of flying "saucers." It's interesting how sightings become contagious. The U.S. military built and tested many flying wings during the 1940s. Here's the Northrop N-1M. It's maiden flight was in 1941. The Germans also built flying wings. Where do people know about flying saucers? Why were there a bunch of flying saucer and alien invasion movies made in the 1950s? Science-fiction magazines from the 1920s: Orson Welles' 1938 radio broadcast of War of the Worlds
Please don't resort to ridiculous swamp gas explanations to explain the 1952 Washington DC sightings (visual AND radar), or the 1950 Farmington mass sighting. The aerial characteristics and flight performance of the objects in those cases are way beyond anything yet produced, so get off the "we had cresent shaped aircraft" kick. In regards to the two videos I posted (post 29 & post 30), are those Northrop N- 1M aircraft being imagined as flying saucers from Mars due to a radio broadcast in 1938?
I don't know what Farmington residents saw and they apparently don't either. The article says, "Estimates of the number ranged from several to more that 500." It says that 3 people called the newspaper but hundreds were seen in the streets looking skyward. I think only a small handful of people saw "something" and the rest came out to see what the excitement was all about. Soon, everybody was seeing something. It's really no difference than a mass of people all claiming to see a ghost. The video of lights over the capitol isn't evidence of anything except lights over the capitol. Bolling AFB (built 1918) and Reagan National Airport (formerly Washington National Airport, built 1941) are both in the direction in which the lights are moving. They're moving at speed consistent with aircraft and in formation. They also appear to be turning as you can see the top row of lights moving forward in relation to the lights on the bottom.
#43. To: Alan Chapman (#42)
So US Air Force interceptors didn't know what they were chasing, and three different radar sites didn't know the difference between aircraft in a normal flight pattern and unknowns, eh?
BTW, here's a bit more on 1952 sightings..
You're now trying to twist the story to make it into something more comfortable for you. Here's what the article stated; Clayton J. Boddy, 32, business manager of Farmington Times and a former Army Engineers captain in Italy, was one of those who saw the startling objects. Boddy was on roadway when all of a sudden I noticed a few moving objects high in the sky. "Moments later there appeared what seemed to be about 500 of them," Boddy continued. He could not estimate their size or speed, but said they appeared to be about 15,000 feet high. Boddy's account was confirmed by Joseph C. and Francis C. Kelloff, retail grocers from Antonito, Colo., who were in Farmington to inspect the site of a proposed new store, and by Bob Foutz and John Burrell of Farmington. The Kelloffs said the objects appeared to be flying in formation. One of the most impressive accounts came from Harold F. Thatcher, head of the Farmington unit of the Soil Conservation service. Thatcher made a triangulation on one of a number of flying craft, He said if it had been a B-29 it would have been 2,000 feet high and traveling more than 1000 miles per hour. John Bloomfield, another employee of Smoak's garage, said the objects he saw traveled at a speed that appeared to him to be about 10 times faster than that of jet planes. In addition, he said the objects frequently made right-angle turns. "They appeared to be coming at each other head-on," he related. "At the last second, one would veer at right angles upward, the other at right angles downward. One saucer would pass another and immediately the one to the rear would zoom into the lead." Marlow Webb, another garage employee, said the objects to the naked eye appeared to be about eight inches in diameter as seen from the ground. He described them as about the size of a dinner plate." "They flew sideways, on edge and at every conceivable angle," he said. "This is what made it easy to determine that they were saucer-shaped." None of the scores of reports told of any vapor trail or engine noise. Nor did anyone report any windows or other markings on the craft.
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#27. To: Alan Chapman, Original_Intent (#25)
#32. To: FormerLurker (#27)
#34. To: Alan Chapman (#32)
#42. To: FormerLurker (#34)
Replies to Comment # 42. The video of lights over the capitol isn't evidence of anything except lights over the capitol. Bolling AFB (built 1918) and Reagan National Airport (formerly Washington National Airport, built 1941) are both in the direction in which the lights are moving. They're moving at speed consistent with aircraft and in formation. They also appear to be turning as you can see the top row of lights moving forward in relation to the lights on the bottom.
#44. To: Alan Chapman (#42)
#46. To: Alan Chapman (#42)
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I think only a small handful of people saw "something" and the rest came out to see what the excitement was all about. Soon, everybody was seeing something. It's really no difference than a mass of people all claiming to see a ghost.
Fully half of this town's population still is certain today that it saw space ships or some strange aircraft -- hundreds of them zooming through the skies yesterday. Estimates of the number ranged from several to more that 500. Whatever they were, they caused a major sensation in this community, which lies only 110 air miles northwest of the huge Los Alamos Atomic installation.
Scores described the objects as silvery discs. A number agreed they saw one that was red in color -- bigger and faster, and apparently the leader.
Brooks, a B-29 tail gunner during the war, said he was positive the objects sighted were not airplanes. "The very maneuvering of the things couldn't be that of modern aircraft," he said.
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