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Title: Bush 'cannot recall' CIA videos
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7133357.stm
Published: Dec 7, 2007
Author: BBC News
Post Date: 2007-12-07 16:44:11 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 95
Comments: 5

Bush 'cannot recall' CIA videos

US President George W Bush has said he has "no recollection" of the existence of video tapes of CIA interrogations and the plan to destroy them.

The CIA says it wiped two tapes of interrogations of al-Qaeda suspects to protect the identities of its agents.

But human rights groups accuse it of destroying evidence of practices that may be tantamount to torture.

A US Senate committee has promised a thorough investigation into the history of the making and wiping of the tapes.

Mr Bush continued to have confidence in CIA Director Michael Hayden, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said.

The president "did not remember" being told of the tapes prior to Thursday, she said.

The CIA confirmed on Thursday allegations in the New York Times that two tapes were destroyed in 2005.

Officials feared the tapes could have raised doubts about the legality of the CIA's techniques, the newspaper says.

The Senate Intelligence Committee chairman, John Rockefeller, a Democrat, called for a thorough investigation into the tapes and their destruction.

Gen Hayden said House and Senate intelligence committee members had been informed of the tapes and the decision to wipe them.

Jane Harman, a senior Democrat who was on the House Intelligence Committee at the time, said she had been informed of the decision, but was opposed to it.

"I told the CIA that destroying videotapes of interrogations was a bad idea and urged them in writing not to do it," she told the Associated Press.

Pete Hoekstra, a Republican who was chairman of the House Intelligence Committee at the time, told the news agency he did not recall being briefed on the matter at all.

Separately, Assistant Senate Democratic Leader Dick Durbin asked the Attorney General to request an investigation into whether the CIA broke obstruction-of-justice laws by destroying the footage.

'Disingenuous'

The CIA revelation has drawn criticism from civil liberties and human rights groups.

Jennifer Daskal, senior counsel with Human Rights Watch, said the wiping of the tapes was "destruction of evidence", and described the reasons given by the CIA as "disingenuous".

The American Civil Liberties Union accused the agency of showing an utter disregard for the law.

"The destruction of these tapes appears to be a part of an extensive, long-term pattern of misusing executive authority to insulate individuals from criminal prosecution for torture and abuse," an ACLU statement said.

Gen Hayden explained why the footage was destroyed in an internal memo sent to CIA employees and obtained by the Associated Press.

He said the CIA had begun taping interrogations as an internal check in 2002 and decided to delete the videos because they no longer had "intelligence value" and posed a security risk.

"Were they ever to leak, they would permit identification of your CIA colleagues who had served in the programme, exposing them and their families to retaliation from al-Qaeda and its sympathisers," he said.

Harsh techniques

The BBC's Jonathan Beale in Washington says the news is likely to trigger more questions about the interrogation techniques used by the CIA and whether they amounted to torture.

After the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the US, President Bush authorised the use of "harsh techniques" in the interrogation of suspected terrorists.

According to our correspondent, those techniques are alleged to have included water-boarding, a method in which a suspect is made to feel he is drowning.

Human rights groups say that water-boarding - and other techniques allegedly used by the CIA - can be defined as torture under various international treaties to which the US is a signatory.

Gen Hayden says that the CIA's internal watchdogs saw the tapes in 2003 and verified that the techniques used were legal.

The Bush administration has always maintained that it does not allow the use of torture.

The tapes are thought to have shown the interrogation in 2002 of a number of terror suspects, including Abu Zubaydah, who had been a chief recruiter for the al-Qaeda network.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Looks like Gonzales disease is contagious.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-07   16:44:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: aristeides (#0) (Edited)

Gen Hayden says that the CIA's internal watchdogs saw the tapes in 2003 and verified that the techniques used were legal.

In 2003, the infamous John Yoo memo (which was the DOJ Office of Legal Counsel's official opinion) was the administration's policy on torture.

Basically anything short of organ failure was defined as legal.

It wasn't withdrawn until June 2004.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2007-12-07   17:05:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: aristeides (#1)

Looks like Gonzales disease is contagious.

It isn't contagious. It is hereditary in neocons.

LACUMO  posted on  2007-12-07   17:08:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: aristeides (#0)

If their lips are moving, they're lying. Except the ones that have taken ventriloquism lessons. Then they're lying even when their lips aren't moving.

Funny how if the CIA undercover operative is a semi-liberal, they plaster her name all over the place, but if the operatives are torturers, they will obstruct justice to protect them. Anyone who thinks these tapes were destroyed to protect the torturers' identities from Al Qaeda is in la-la land...or a neocon. This was done to protect Bush & Co.

There are now three legal requests made to see those tapes before they were destroyed, and they lied to two judges and the 911 Commission about their existence, then destroyed them just to make sure. The only reason the CIA admitted they destroyed the tapes at all is because they got a head's-up from the NYT that the story was coming out the next day. Suddenly, out of nowhere, a memo goes out to all employees about these tapes that supposedly didn't exist.

I wonder if there were some Mossad types in there, giving our guys some tips.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2007-12-07   18:11:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Mekons4 (#4)

Anyone who thinks these tapes were destroyed to protect the torturers' identities from Al Qaeda is in la-la land

As Sen. Levin said today, "It's a pathetic excuse. You would have to burn every document in the CIA that has the identity of an agent on it, under that theory."


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2007-12-07   18:22:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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