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Title: MN smoking ban - Friends trying to find a way around it
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Published: Dec 8, 2007
Author: ladybug
Post Date: 2007-12-08 16:22:35 by ladybug
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Comments: 19

I am here visiting friends and family in rural MN. Last October a statewide smoking ban was put in place. There is no longer smoking allowed in ANY public place, the only exception to this is on the reservations, because they are sovereign.

I have a dear friend that is in the process of purchasing a little bar in the middle of nowhere. What he would like to know is how he could open it as a private club - for smokers only. As I am back to truck driving over-the-road full time, I have little time to research such things, but thought that some members on here may be able to turn up some wonderful resources.

This is truly important to any freedom loving American - the right to choose. Last night I went out to a bar, the temp was 20 below zero WITHOUT windchill.

It was a miserable evening, after going outdoors for a smoke, I was frozen, and all I wanted was a hot cup of tea - not another cold beer.

Needless to say that liquor stores sales are on the rise, while bars are closing down in record numbers.

I look forward to your comments - and pointers, and will immediately forward them on the this future bar owner who really wants to exercise his right to have an establishment where people can be comfortable and have fun.

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ladybug  posted on  2007-12-08   16:23:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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It doesn't look good for your friend -

The law still allows bars to have outdoor smoking patios. A few workplaces, including family farms and the cabs of heavy trucks, are exempt from the ban. Patients in locked psychiatric units and actors in theatrical productions are also allowed to light up. American Indian casinos are not affected by the state law.

Most bars and restaurants are expected to embrace the new law. But some opponents who fought hard against the ban could remain defiant.

Kenn Rockler of the Tavern League of Minnesota says he's not advocating resistance, but he knows some bars plan to ignore the ban. Rockler says a few owners have said they would rather fight the law than lose the business of smoking customers.

"Some of them have taken just a cold hard look at the dollars and cents, and feel they'd be better off paying three $500 fines rather than lose $10,000 of business in a month," Rockler said.

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#9. To: ladybug (#1)

What we need is bigger government.

noone222  posted on  2007-12-08 17:48:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: ladybug (#1)

It appears that tobacco shops are exempt.

Why couldn't he open a "tobacco shop" that also serves alcohol? It would mean an extra license, but hell, he could probably make some profit from smokes sales too...

Either that or add on living quarters and move in, forego any license at all, and then claim it's his house (which happens to have a rather large "bar area") and he just has a LOT of friends. As long as there is no proof the "friends" are "paying customers", they couldn't do anything about it. His "friends" would sure owe him a lot of "favors" - which could be worked out privately at any time.

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