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Title: MN smoking ban - Friends trying to find a way around it
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Published: Dec 8, 2007
Author: ladybug
Post Date: 2007-12-08 16:22:35 by ladybug
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I am here visiting friends and family in rural MN. Last October a statewide smoking ban was put in place. There is no longer smoking allowed in ANY public place, the only exception to this is on the reservations, because they are sovereign.

I have a dear friend that is in the process of purchasing a little bar in the middle of nowhere. What he would like to know is how he could open it as a private club - for smokers only. As I am back to truck driving over-the-road full time, I have little time to research such things, but thought that some members on here may be able to turn up some wonderful resources.

This is truly important to any freedom loving American - the right to choose. Last night I went out to a bar, the temp was 20 below zero WITHOUT windchill.

It was a miserable evening, after going outdoors for a smoke, I was frozen, and all I wanted was a hot cup of tea - not another cold beer.

Needless to say that liquor stores sales are on the rise, while bars are closing down in record numbers.

I look forward to your comments - and pointers, and will immediately forward them on the this future bar owner who really wants to exercise his right to have an establishment where people can be comfortable and have fun.

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#2. To: ladybug (#0)

What he would like to know is how he could open it as a private club - for smokers only.

He CAN open it as a private club, and it CAN be for smokers only, but they'll still have to smoke outside.

The MN law is quite sweeping, even the VFW and Legions had to go non-smoking.

He might be able to erect some kind of warming room shelter that people can stand in, however.

/Minnesotan

Indrid Cold  posted on  2007-12-08   16:31:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Indrid Cold (#2)

He CAN open it as a private club, and it CAN be for smokers only, but they'll still have to smoke outside.

The MN law is quite sweeping, even the VFW and Legions had to go non-smoking.

He might be able to erect some kind of warming room shelter that people can stand in, however.

Yes, I understand that the VFW and the Legion clubs have both been forced to go non smoking as well, but both of those clubs also allow public to use their building.

As far as the smoking room/shelter, the law states that it is only allowed %50 walls - not much shelter up here in the frozen north.

You would have to think that there is a way for a private group of individuals to form a club/group for smokers only that would be exempt from the ban.

ladybug  posted on  2007-12-08   17:26:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: ladybug (#6)

I'm sure the private/membership loophole can be exploited. I can't see how a private/membership club wouldn't win in court. It's not public, but I wonder if it wouldn't fall under some type of workplace state regs. That might be the way the state will enforce it.

Kamala  posted on  2007-12-08   17:49:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Kamala (#10)

but I wonder if it wouldn't fall under some type of workplace state regs. That might be the way the state will enforce it.

Check the jurisdiction claimed for the new law. That should indicate the grounds for enforcement, whether workplace safety or public safety.

I suspect they claim the latter as the former wouldn't apply in the cases apparently targeted.

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