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9/11 See other 9/11 Articles Title: The CIA's Destroyed Interrogation Tapes and the Saudi-Pakistani 9/11 Connection The CIA's Destroyed Interrogation Tapes and the Saudi-Pakistani 9/11 Connection Posted December 7, 2007 | 03:25 PM (EST) Read More: 9/11, Abu Zubaydah, Cia, CIA Interrogations, CIA Tapes Destroyed, CIA Torture, Missing CIA Torture Tapes, Pakistan, Pakistan 9/11, Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia 9/11, Why America Slept: The Failure To Prevent 9/11, Breaking Politics News On December 5, the CIA's director, General Michael V. Hayden, issued a statement disclosing that in 2005 at least two videotapes of interrogations with al Qaeda prisoners were destroyed. The tapes, which the CIA did not provide to either the 9/11 Commission, nor to a federal court in the case of Zacarias Moussaoui, were destroyed, claimed Hayden, to protect the safety of undercover operatives. Hayden did not disclose one of the al Qaeda suspects whose tapes were destroyed. But he did identify the other. It was Abu Zubaydah, the top ranking terror suspect when he was tracked and captured in Pakistan in 2003. In September 2006, at a press conference in which he defended American interrogation techniques, President Bush also mentioned Abu Zubaydah by name. Bush acknowledged that Zubaydah, who was wounded when captured, did not initially cooperate with his interrogators, but that eventually when he did talk, his information was, according to Bush, "quite important." In my 2003 New York Times bestseller, Why America Slept: The Failure to Prevent 9/11, I discussed Abu Zubaydah at length in Chapter 19, "The Interrogation." There I set forth how Zubaydah initially refused to help his American captors. Also, disclosed was how U.S. intelligence established a so-called "fake flag" operation, in which the wounded Zubaydah was transferred to Afghanistan under the ruse that he had actually been turned over to the Saudis. The Saudis had him on a wanted list, and the Americans believed that Zubaydah, fearful of torture and death at the hands of the Saudis, would start talking when confronted by U.S. agents playing the role of Saudi intelligence officers. Instead, when confronted by his "Saudi" interrogators, Zubaydah showed no fear. Instead, according to the two U.S. intelligence sources that provided me the details, he seemed relieved. The man who had been reluctant to even confirm his identity to his U.S. captors, suddenly talked animatedly. He was happy to see them, he said, because he feared the Americans would kill him. He then asked his interrogators to call a senior member of the Saudi royal family. And Zubaydah provided a private home number and a cell phone number from memory. "He will tell you what to do," Zubaydah assured them That man was Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul-Aziz, one of King Fahd's nephews, and the chairman of the largest Saudi publishing empire. Later, American investigators would determine that Prince Ahmed had been in the U.S. on 9/11. American interrogators used painkillers to induce Zubaydah to talk -- they gave him the meds when he cooperated, and withdrew them when he was quiet. They also utilized a thiopental sodium drip (a so-called truth serum). Several hours after he first fingered Prince Ahmed, his captors challenged the information, and said that since he had disparaged the Saudi royal family, he would be executed. It was at that point that some of the secrets of 9/11 came pouring out. In a short monologue, that one investigator told me was the "Rosetta Stone" of 9/11, Zubaydah laid out details of how he and the al Qaeda hierarchy had been supported at high levels inside the Saudi and Pakistan governments. He named two other Saudi princes, and also the chief of Pakistan's air force, as his major contacts. Moreover, he stunned his interrogators, by charging that two of the men, the King's nephew, and the Pakistani Air Force chief, knew a major terror operation was planned for America on 9/11. It would be nice to further investigate the men named by Zubaydah, but that is not possible. All four identified by Zubaydah are now dead. As for the three Saudi princes, the King's 43-year-old nephew, Prince Ahmed, died of either a heart attack or blood clot, depending on which report you believe, after having liposuction in Riyadh's top hospital; the second, 41-year-old Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki al-Saud, died the following day in a one car accident, on his way to the funeral of Prince Ahmed; and one week later, the third Saudi prince named by Zubaydah, 25-year-old Prince Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir, died, according to the Saudi Royal Court, "of thirst." The head of Pakistan's Air Force, Mushaf Ali Mir, was the last to go. He died, together with his wife and fifteen of his top aides, when his plane blew up -- suspected as sabotage -- in February 2003. Pakistan's investigation of the explosion -- if one was even done -- has never been made public. Zubaydah is the only top al Queda operative who has secretly linked two of America's closest allies in the war on terror -- Saudi Arabia and Pakistan -- to the 9/11 attacks. Why does Bush, and the CIA, continue to protect the Saudi Royal family and the Pakistani military, from the implications of Zubaydah's confessions? It is, or course, because the Bush administration desperately needs Pakistani and Saudi help, not only to keep Afghanistan from spinning completely out of control, but also as counterweights to the growing power of Iran. The Sunni governments in Riyadh and Islamabad have as much to fear from a resurgent Iran as does the Bush administration. But does this mean that leads about the origins of 9/11 should not be aggressively pursued? Of course not. But this is precisely what the Bush administration is doing. And now the cover-up is enhanced by the CIA's destruction of Zubaydah's interrogation tapes. The American public deserves no less than the complete truth about 9/11. And those CIA officials now complicit in hiding the truth by destroying key evidence should be held responsible.
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#2. To: Kamala (#0)
Gerald Posner has also written a book defending the conclusions of the Warren Commission. His account here of the treatment of Abu Zubaydah appears to contradict that of Ron Suskind, who is credible.
You're a smart guy. You've read enough on a wide varity of subjects. This is as I'm sure you are familiar with the term, "A limited hangout".
Or a misdirection. All this news about CIA waterboarding tends to throw doubt on the 9/11 Commission's account of 9/11. I was wondering if the second, unidentified victim of the taped waterboarding was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, whose testimony formed the basis of what the 9/11 Commission had to say about the operational details of 9/11. Yesterday's Washington Post identified the second victim as somebody else, and today's Washington Post repeats the identification. However, today's Washington Post also says KSM is one of three Al Qaeda figures known to have been waterboarded. And it offers an account of the treatment of Abu Zubaydah, which is consistent with Suskind's, not Posner's. Maybe Posner wants to misdirect attention on the destroyed videotape story in a way that does not call into doubt the 9/11 Commission Report? And maybe he's one of those who wants to make Saudi Arabia bear a lot of the blame for 9/11?
Look, let us not get off track here, OK? First off, even if this info is true (doubtful, but so what?), does anyone here think that the Saudias and Pakistan exist without deep, deep involvement by both the CIA and the Mossad? Does anyone believe, all evidence to the contrary not-with-standing, that those poorly trained so-called terrorists we have been told flew those planes like really good commercial pilots, could actually do that? And how many times have you watched the videos of the buildings fall into their own foot-print, before you come to the conclusion that there is more to this story than just the non-sense revealed above? We need to keep our eye on EVERYTHING here, and not just some new, off-the-wall revelation that smells like dog poop.
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