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Title: Appeals Court Says Some Patriot Act Provisions Unconstitutional
Source: Associated Press
URL Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic ... e/n152850S48.DTL&type=politics
Published: Dec 10, 2007
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2007-12-10 19:39:52 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 937
Comments: 72

(12-10) 16:15 PST Los Angeles (AP) --

A federal appeals court ruled Monday that some portions of the U.S. Patriot Act that govern dealings with foreign terrorist organizations are unconstitutional because the language is too vague to be understood by a person of ordinary intelligence.

The ruling released Monday by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco affirms a 2005 decision by U.S. District Judge Audrey Collins.

Collins ruled on a petition seeking to clear the way for U.S. groups and individuals to assist organizations in Turkey and Sri Lanka with training on applying for disaster relief or conducting peace negotiations.

Collins said language in the Patriot Act was vague on matters involving training, expert advice or assistance, personnel and service to foreign terrorist organizations.

Without clear language, the plaintiffs argued, those who provide assistance to those organizations could be subject to U.S. prison terms of up to 15 years.

Charles Miller, a Justice Department spokesman, said his agency was reviewing the ruling to determine a response.

Collins' ruling prevented the federal government from enforcing the vague Patriot Act provisions as they apply to the terrorist groups named in the lawsuit.

In its 27-page decision, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals held that to survive a vagueness challenge, a statute "must be sufficiently clear to put a person of ordinary intelligence on notice that his or her contemplated conduct is unlawful."

The language covered by the ruling remained unconstitutionally vague despite Congressional amendments to the Patriot Act meant to remedy the problems, the appeals court ruled.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

A federal appeals court ruled Monday that some portions of the U.S. Patriot Act that govern dealings with foreign terrorist organizations are unconstitutional because the language is too vague to be understood by a person of ordinary intelligence.

And for the same reason, the Internal Revenue Code should be declared unconstitutional. It is not that it can't be understood at all but people of "ordinary intelligence" usually don't understand that you have to parse every word and understand it in its legal sense, not in a slang sense. And even the Commissioners of the IRS used professional preparers to do their tax forms, or so they claimed anyway. So if they couldn't understand it, is it very likely that a "person of ordinary intelligence" can understand it?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-10   19:44:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Brian S (#0)

www.infowars.com/print/patriot_act/alexs_analysis.htm

TOTAL POLICE STATE TAKEOVER

The Secret Patriot Act II Destroys What Is Left of American Liberty

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   19:47:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Brian S (#0)

www.thewatcherfiles.com/patriot_two.htm

Here we go..this means Christians, Patriots, or Anyone can be kidnapped out of their homes at gunpoint in the middle of the night with no arrest warrant and be hauled off to jail, prison, or Guatanomo, Cuba for that matter. You will not be allowed a phone call to a lawyer or your family. And your family will not be told where you are or when you will be released, IF YOU EVER GET RELEASED. This legislation null and voids our Bill of Rights in the Constitution.

FAKE SADDAM CAPTURE WAS DISTRACTION FOR PATRIOT ACT 2 LEGISLATION PASSAGE!

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   19:48:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Brian S (#0)

www.rense.com/general69/unfath.htm

Unfathomed Dangers In Patriot Act Renewal

By Paul Craig Roberts 1-24-6

A provision in the "PATRIOT Act" creates a new federal police force with the power to violate the Bill of Rights. You might think that this cannot be true, as you have not read about it in newspapers or heard it discussed by talking heads on TV.

Go to House Report 109-333 USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act of 2005 and check it out for yourself. Sec. 605 reads:

"There is hereby created and established a permanent police force, to be known as the 'United States Secret Service Uniformed Division.'"

This new federal police force is "subject to the supervision of the Secretary of Homeland Security."

The new police are empowered to "make arrests without warrant for any offense against the United States committed in their presence, or for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such felony."

The new police are assigned a variety of jurisdictions, including "an event designated under section 3056(e) of title 18 as a special event of national significance" (SENS).

"A special event of national significance" is neither defined nor does it require the presence of a "protected person" such as the president in order to trigger it. Thus, the administration, and perhaps the police themselves, can place the SENS designation on any event. Once a SENS designation is placed on an event, the new federal police are empowered to keep out and arrest people at their discretion.

The language conveys enormous discretionary and arbitrary powers. What is "an offense against the United States"? What are "reasonable grounds"?

You can bet the Alito/Roberts court will rule that it is whatever the executive branch says.

The obvious purpose of the act is to prevent demonstrations at Bush/Cheney events. However, nothing in the language limits the police powers from being used only in this way. Like every law in the U.S., this law also will be expansively interpreted and abused. It has dire implications for freedom of association and First Amendment rights. We can take for granted that the new federal police will be used to suppress dissent and to break up opposition. The Brownshirts are now arming themselves with a Gestapo.

Many naïve Americans will write to me to explain that this new provision in the reauthorization of the "PATRIOT Act" is necessary to protect the president and other high officials from terrorists or from harm at the hands of angry demonstrators: "No one else will have anything to fear." Some will accuse me of being an alarmist, and others will say that it is unpatriotic to doubt the law's good intentions.

Americans will write such nonsense despite the fact that the president and foreign dignitaries are already provided superb protection by the Secret Service. The naïve will not comprehend that the president cannot be endangered by demonstrators at SENS at which the president is not present. For many Americans, the light refuses to turn on.

In Nazi Germany, did no one but Jews have anything to fear from the Gestapo?

By Stalin's time, Lenin and Trotsky had eliminated all members of the "oppressor class," but that did not stop Stalin from sending millions of "enemies of the people" to the Gulag.

It is extremely difficult to hold even local police forces accountable. Who is going to hold accountable a federal police protected by Homeland Security and the president?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   19:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Brian S (#0)

www.rense.com/general69/paptr.htm

Patriot Act On 'Fast Track' For Approval

Constitution Has Been Ripped To Shreads

By Greg Szymanski

2-24-6

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   19:50:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TwentyTwelve (#3)

this means Christians, Patriots, or Anyone can be kidnapped out of their homes at gunpoint in the middle of the night with no arrest warrant and be hauled off to jail, prison, or Guatanomo, Cuba for that matter. You will not be allowed a phone call to a lawyer or your family. And your family will not be told where you are or when you will be released, IF YOU EVER GET RELEASED. This legislation null and voids our Bill of Rights in the Constitution.

Vote from the rooftops.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2007-12-10   19:54:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: IndieTX (#6)

Vote from the rooftops.

They have helicopters ... vote from caves ! [But I agree with you completely].

If a large group of people formed a corporation purposed to produce and market automobiles (like GM), could they then hire gunmen as salespersons to increase their sales? Well that's exactly what governments do.

noone222  posted on  2007-12-10   20:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: noone222, IndieTX, FOH (#7)

Vote from the rooftops.

They have helicopters ... vote from caves ! [But I agree with you completely].

Vote from Mars.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   20:18:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: TwentyTwelve, Jame Deffenbach, Jethro Tull, Dakmar, lodwick, Original_Intent (#8)

Vote from the rooftops.

They have helicopters ... vote from caves ! [But I agree with you completely].

Vote from Mars.

Helicopters? Now that's just SO yesterday...heheh

Local 2 Investigates Police Secrecy Behind Unmanned Aircraft Test

(Video: Local 2 Investigates Captures Secret HPD Test On Tape)

I have additional comments that I will reserve for the appropriate time.

Needless to say, this was expected from the Police State quislings...

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   20:57:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: noone222, IndieTX (#9)

Oops

PiNg

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   20:57:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Brian S (#0)

unconstitutional because the language is too vague to be understood by a person of ordinary intelligence.

I guess that makes 87.36% of all laws unconstitutional. Yippeee!

Change for Ron Paul

Critter  posted on  2007-12-10   21:15:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TwentyTwelve (#2)

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezuz.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   21:17:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Peppa, FOH, FormerLurker, Original_Intent, wudidiz, Uncle Bill (#12)

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezuz.

How did we let this happen?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   21:20:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: TwentyTwelve (#3)

Remember the lessons Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union taught us. If that kind of shit starts happening here, assume that you will be killed eventually anyway, so make it sooner rather than later and take a few with you.

Change for Ron Paul

Critter  posted on  2007-12-10   21:24:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: TwentyTwelve (#13)

How did we let this happen?

'WE' didn't. Congress did, and there were people that tried to bring the issue to light. They all believe they are above the law. They've declared war on us. Some they tell us to our face, and the other behind our backs.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   21:29:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TwentyTwelve (#13)

How did we let this happen?

#1 Income Tax which made the pursuit of happiness a full time job

#2 Government Indoctrination/DayCare Centers Public Schools

#3 Beer, Drugs, Sex, Rock'N'Roll, etc.

Park the children for their brainwashing each day, chase the $$$$$ and then forget what a loser you've become by getting buried in "Good Times" jaxson!

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   21:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Critter (#14)

If that kind of shit starts happening here, assume that you will be killed eventually anyway, so make it sooner rather than later and take a few with you.

I had a conversation today with a group of patriots about that (all are believers in Yeshua).

To a man and woman each said "Live Free or Die"...period.

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   21:35:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Peppa (#15)

They've declared war on us.

It's an all out assault now...unbelievable.

Things are moving VERY quickly.

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   21:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Critter (#14)

Remember the lessons Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union taught us. If that kind of shit starts happening here, assume that you will be killed eventually anyway, so make it sooner rather than later and take a few with you.

Ignore History Mousepad

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   21:38:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: FOH (#18)

Things are moving VERY quickly.

I feel it too.

Each day you wake up and say, what rain of crap is planned for us today.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   21:38:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Peppa (#20)

Each day you wake up and say, what rain of crap is planned for us today.

The first thing I do in the morning is check the internet to see what the bad news is.

It is very sad.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   21:41:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: FOH (#17)

To a man and woman each said "Live Free or Die"...period.

I hear ya. Born free, die free.

Change for Ron Paul

Critter  posted on  2007-12-10   21:43:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Peppa (#20)

I live in the blessed assurance and even I get downright pissed off and grouchy about it...I even curse from time to time, get angry, sin, etc.. :/

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   21:43:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Peppa, FOH (#15)

They've declared war on us.

Great new Ron Paul video (12/9/2007)

At 4:12 someone goes off. How bad do things have to get before you do something?

I heard Jane Harman tonight on NPR. She sounded affable, concerned, and urbane. But I heard chains rattling behind her.

buckeye  posted on  2007-12-10   21:47:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: TwentyTwelve, Peppa, Critter (#21)


Bush Speech

Bush Speech


MCA Signing


The Signing of the Military Commissions Act (MCA) of 2006

NDAA Signing


The Signing of the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2007

TWO 'ACTS' OF TYRANNY ON THE SAME DAY!



By Daneen G. Peterson, Ph.D.


December 7, 2006


Updated June 2, 2007


On October 17, 2006, 'a date which will live in infamy' . . . there were two acts of tyranny committed. The first was a public signing of the 'Military Commissions Act of 2006' which suspended habeas corpus allowing the president to declare you an 'enemy combatant' and end your rights to seek legal or judicial relief from unlawful imprisonment.



The second act of tyranny took place in a private Oval Office ceremony, in which the president signed into law the 'John Warner National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2007' which essentially eliminates the protections of the Posse Comitatus Act and re-wrote the Insurrection Act. The NDAA will allow the president to declare a 'public emergency' and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to 'suppress public disorder'!



About The Military Commissions Act of 2006 . . .



"A writ of habeas corpus which is Latin for 'you have the body' [as proof] is a judicial mandate to a prison official ordering that an inmate be brought to the court so it can be determined whether or not that person is imprisoned lawfully and whether or not he should be released from custody."(1)



"The writ of habeas corpus serves as an important check on the manner in which state courts pay respect to federal constitutional rights. The writ is 'the fundamental instrument for safeguarding individual freedom against arbitrary and lawless state action'."(1)



Expressing the pessimist's view was law professor Jonathan Turley who wrote: "The Congress just gave the president despotic powers and you could hear a yawn across the country [. . . ] People clearly don't realize what a fundamental change it is about who we are as a country. What happened today changed us. And I'm not too sure we're going to change back anytime soon."(2)



Turley also said that: "What, really, a time of shame this is for the American system. What the Congress did and what the president signed today essentially revokes over 200 years of American principles and values."(3)



You can watch this MSNBC video where Keith Olbermann and guest Jonathon Turley, Constitutional Law professor at George Washington University discuss the Military Commissions Act here.



About the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2007 . . .



The NDAA essentially eliminated the Posse Comitatus Act and re-wrote the Insurrection Act so that the president can declare a 'public emergency' and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to 'suppress public disorder'!



"The historic and ominous re-writing of the Insurrection Act, accomplished in the dead of night, which gives Bush the legal authority to declare martial law, is now an accomplished fact."(4)



"In a stealth maneuver, President Bush has signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), will actually encourage the President to declare federal martial law. It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President’s ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions."(4)






What 'Rights' Have Been Taken From You?



"On September 28, by a vote of 65-34, the Senate formally passed S. 3930, the Military Commissions Act of 2006 (MCA). The next day, the House of Representatives followed suit, passing the act by a vote of 250-170, . . . [whereby] "alien unlawful enemy combatants ... [to be] subject to trial by military commissions" without the constitutional safeguards American citizens possess against illegal detainment and judicial railroading."(5)



As far as an American citizen is concerned the definition of the term 'unlawful enemy combatant' has ominous import for them. The law states the following:



"(1) UNLAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANT - (A) The term 'unlawful enemy combatant' means--"(6)

"Notice that this definition contains no exception for Americans; it throws the blanket over citizen and alien alike by using the word 'person' rather than 'alien'."(5)

All Americans should know that the suspension of the 'writ of habeas corpus' by the 'Military Commissions Act of 2006' is a violation of Article 1, Section 9 of the U. S.Constitution which states: "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it."



Gonzales: ‘There Is No Express Grant of Habeas Corpus In The Constitution’



Gonzales & Bush



Yesterday, [1/18/07] during Senate Judiciary Committee hearings, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales . . . was debating Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) about whether the Supreme Court’s ruling on Guantanamo detainees last year cited the constitutional right to habeas corpus. Gonzales claimed the Court did not cite such a right, [Specter disagreed] then [Gonzales] added, “There is no express grant of habeas in the Constitution.”



Specter pushed back. “Wait a minute. The constitution says you can’t take it away, except in the case of rebellion or invasion. Doesn’t that mean you have the right of habeas corpus, unless there is an invasion or rebellion?”



You MUST watch this EXTREMELY DISTURBING video: http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/videos/GonzalesOnHabeas.html#Title



Ominously, the full text of the 'Military Commissions Act of 2006' was published by the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations). The fact that the CFR published the 'Act' would appear to be prima facie evidence of the Shadow Government's support for its genesis!(6)



The Center for Constitutional Rights commented that the: "Congress is now rubber-stamping a bill that was written by the President which gives the President expansive power to detain without judicial oversight. If the Military Commissions Act is passed, it will grant the President the privilege of kings, allowing him to imprison any critics as alleged ‘enemy combatants,’ never to see the inside of a court room or to have the chance to challenge their detention or their treatment. What would we say if another country passed a law making it legal to snatch U.S. citizens and detain them indefinitely?”(7)



Sadly, the American Forces Press Service, propagandized the signing by utilizing the most common form of deception . . . omission. Read how they announced the signing but uttered not one peep about the potentially devastating future it has unleashed.(8)



John Warner


Senator John Warner



Martial Law Now Stalks America . . .



On October 17, 2006, "Public Law 109-364, or the 'John Warner National Defense Authorization Act of 2007' (H.R.5122) (2), which was signed by the commander in chief on October 17th, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a 'public emergency' and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to 'suppress public disorder'.”(5)



What the National Defense Authorization Act does is end the Posse Comitatus Act of 1787. Posse Comitatus is Latin for 'power of the country.' It WAS a "law, [that] was championed by far-sighted Southern lawmakers in 1878. They had experienced a fifteen year military occupation by the US Army in post-Civil War law enforcement. They understood the heel of a jackboot."(9)



"In a nutshell, this act bans the Army, Navy, Airforce and Marines from participating in arrest, searches, seizure of evidence and other police-type activity on U.S. soil. The Coast Guard and National Guard troops under the control of state governors are excluded from the act."(9)



All these new tyrannical laws have been created obsessively to combat the amorphous concept of 'fighting terrorism' . . . an undefined and ever present boogey man. So not only is the military now permitted to be used around the country, the president can take over the National Guard and the Coast Guard too. It can happen under ANY pretext, at which time the president will become the dictator-in-chief.



According to Gen. Tommy Franks, martial law will replace the Constitution after the next terror attack. In an interview with Cigar Aficionado he said: “It means the potential of a weapon of mass destruction and a terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western world – it may be in the United States of America – that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass, casualty-producing event. Which in fact, then begins to unravel the fabric of our Constitution. Two steps, very, very important.”(10)



Written Dissent to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2007:



No matter your opinion of Cynthia McKinney, her 26 page dissent of the NDAA of 2007 is very compelling and highlights the damage and erosion, of tasks and performance, taking place between the police and the military in direct contradiction of our Constitution. The following excerpt is from the section concerning the issue of Posse Comitatus [pp. 30-31 .pdf (pp. 528-529)] which can be found here: (11)



This Authorization should also have reaffirmed the principle of Posse Comitatus for military forces, police and contracted security or combat forces. This Constitutional principle creates a bright line between military and police functions.



In the wake of the attacks on September 11, 2001, the Bush administration has continued to make widespread and unnecessary changes in laws and administrative powers that undermine the most basic Constitutional principles and protected rights of citizens in a democracy [ours is a Constitutional Republic].



Recently, both President Bush and Senator Mark Warner (VA) have renewed calls to undermine or reverse the Posse Comitatus Act of 1867 [sic - i.e.,1878], which re-established the Constitutional principle and practice of separating military and police functions in a democracy [ours is a Constitutional Republic].



The experience of the founding fathers with the British model that combined the functions was enough to cause them to set that division sharply in administrative powers and civilian command of the military.



The principles began to be eroded in the period following the end of the Civil War, and the effective occupation of areas of the south by federal troops who were holding military tribunals, carrying out executions of citizens and usurping local police and judicial control. Their excesses came to the attention of the post-war Congress and they passed the Posse Comitatus Act to forbid the military being used to enforce laws.



Further erosion followed the end of the Vietnam War, when police departments were increasingly militarized in training and equipment as well as employing a large number of returning war veterans. SWAT teams were created, a clearly militarized police function, getting training on military bases with advanced weapons.



When President George H.W. Bush came into office in the 1980s, his programs made increased use of military troops and equipment in the war against drugs, supporting police and collecting intelligence in regard to civilian crimes. Joint Military Task Forces were created that combined DoD, FBI, SWAT, ATF and local police in sieges at Wounded Knee, Waco, Texas and against MOVE in Philadelphia, using tanks and military explosives.:,



President Bush has ample authority under provisions of existing laws on disaster response to mobilize and command any and all federal assets, including military forces. State directed National Guard units have always worked in conjunction with federal troops without being put under federal control themselves. Both National Guard and regular military forces are authorized under federal and state laws to use force to protect lives, property and public safety during a declared emergency. Police functions have been wisely left to local police and state National Guard forces, except when the situation was so dire they could not function.



What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   21:49:55 ET  (6 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: FOH (#25)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   21:51:56 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: FOH (#25)

What is Dr. Peterson doing these days? I've missed the massive volume of information she was putting out around the time I went to DC to be with the Let Freedom Ring anti-NAU illegal immigration demonstration.

buckeye  posted on  2007-12-10   21:52:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: FOH (#25)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   21:52:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: FOH (#25)

www.worldnetdaily.com/new...icle.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55695

In addition, Bracewell & Giuliani successfully negotiated a $1.3 billion deal with TxDOT for Cintra-Zachry to build the remaining 40 miles of State Highway 130 as a toll road.

WND also has reported that Giuliani Capital Advisors was acquired in March by Macquarie, an Australian investment consortium which has also been involved in leasing and operating U.S. toll roads.

The FHWA website also discloses that Cintra and Macquarie partnered in the $3.85 billion 2006 deal to operate the Indiana Toll Road on a 75-year lease.

Just this month, independent journalist Diane Grassi first broke the story of Giuliani's involvement with the NAFTA Superhighway, writing that, "All negotiations for Cintra were and are presently handled by the law firm, Bracewell & Giuliani, LLP, of which Republican Presidential candidate, Rudolph Giuliani, has been a senior executive partner since March 2005. His law firm is the exclusive legal counsel for Cintra."

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   21:53:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: FOH (#25)

Rudy Giuliani tied to 'superhighways'

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   21:54:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: buckeye, James Deffenbach, Original_Intent (#24)

"Sooner or later you have to draw a line and stand your ground.

Whether OR NOT anyone else does..."

Thank you SO much my friend. I think I recognize that voice...

James and O_I, have you seen this?

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   21:59:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: FOH (#25)

Trans-Texas Corridor paved with campaign contributions?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   22:02:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: buckeye (#24)

At 4:12 someone goes off.

that sounds like Michael Badnarik

christine  posted on  2007-12-10   22:03:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: christine (#33)

The guy's on fire.

buckeye  posted on  2007-12-10   22:04:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: TwentyTwelve (#21)

The first thing I do in the morning is check the internet to see what the bad news is.

It is very sad.

Yes. The media tells us whats bad for the Ptb.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   22:04:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: FOH (#25)

Texas governor clears way for NAFTA superhighway

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   22:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: FOH (#23)

I live in the blessed assurance and even I get downright pissed off and grouchy about it...I even curse from time to time, get angry, sin, etc.. :/

I go outside and flip off the planes.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   22:08:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: FOH (#25)

THE NAU: IT'S THE ELEVENTH HOUR - GET BUSY

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   22:14:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: buckeye, ALL (#27)

Stop by her (Dr. Daneen Peterson) site (StoptheNorthAmericanUnion.com) and chip in a few bucks if you can and will.

Encourage others to do the same. She does HEAVY DUTY research and has earned our support...over and over again.

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   22:16:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Peppa, FOH, wudidiz (#37)

I go outside and flip off the planes.

I stay inside and flip off the planes.

I don't want to get showered with barium.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   22:16:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: christine, Peppa, FOH (#33) (Edited)

...that sounds like Michael Badnarik

The Price of Liberty

This is an excerpt from an 8 hours crash course on understanding the Constitution of the United States of America.

3:09 - where the segment recorded in the video above begins, approximately.

He's explaining how incrementalism was used in persuading Germans and German Jews to accept the groundwork for the Holocaust.

buckeye  posted on  2007-12-10   22:17:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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