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Title: Appeals Court Says Some Patriot Act Provisions Unconstitutional
Source: Associated Press
URL Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic ... e/n152850S48.DTL&type=politics
Published: Dec 10, 2007
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2007-12-10 19:39:52 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 916
Comments: 72

(12-10) 16:15 PST Los Angeles (AP) --

A federal appeals court ruled Monday that some portions of the U.S. Patriot Act that govern dealings with foreign terrorist organizations are unconstitutional because the language is too vague to be understood by a person of ordinary intelligence.

The ruling released Monday by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco affirms a 2005 decision by U.S. District Judge Audrey Collins.

Collins ruled on a petition seeking to clear the way for U.S. groups and individuals to assist organizations in Turkey and Sri Lanka with training on applying for disaster relief or conducting peace negotiations.

Collins said language in the Patriot Act was vague on matters involving training, expert advice or assistance, personnel and service to foreign terrorist organizations.

Without clear language, the plaintiffs argued, those who provide assistance to those organizations could be subject to U.S. prison terms of up to 15 years.

Charles Miller, a Justice Department spokesman, said his agency was reviewing the ruling to determine a response.

Collins' ruling prevented the federal government from enforcing the vague Patriot Act provisions as they apply to the terrorist groups named in the lawsuit.

In its 27-page decision, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals held that to survive a vagueness challenge, a statute "must be sufficiently clear to put a person of ordinary intelligence on notice that his or her contemplated conduct is unlawful."

The language covered by the ruling remained unconstitutionally vague despite Congressional amendments to the Patriot Act meant to remedy the problems, the appeals court ruled.

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#2. To: Brian S (#0)

www.infowars.com/print/patriot_act/alexs_analysis.htm

TOTAL POLICE STATE TAKEOVER

The Secret Patriot Act II Destroys What Is Left of American Liberty

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   19:47:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TwentyTwelve (#2)

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezuz.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   21:17:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Peppa, FOH, FormerLurker, Original_Intent, wudidiz, Uncle Bill (#12)

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezuz.

How did we let this happen?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   21:20:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: TwentyTwelve (#13)

How did we let this happen?

'WE' didn't. Congress did, and there were people that tried to bring the issue to light. They all believe they are above the law. They've declared war on us. Some they tell us to our face, and the other behind our backs.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   21:29:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Peppa (#15)

They've declared war on us.

It's an all out assault now...unbelievable.

Things are moving VERY quickly.

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   21:37:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: FOH (#18)

Things are moving VERY quickly.

I feel it too.

Each day you wake up and say, what rain of crap is planned for us today.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   21:38:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Peppa (#20)

I live in the blessed assurance and even I get downright pissed off and grouchy about it...I even curse from time to time, get angry, sin, etc.. :/

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   21:43:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: FOH (#23)

I live in the blessed assurance and even I get downright pissed off and grouchy about it...I even curse from time to time, get angry, sin, etc.. :/

I go outside and flip off the planes.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   22:08:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Peppa, FOH, wudidiz (#37)

I go outside and flip off the planes.

I stay inside and flip off the planes.

I don't want to get showered with barium.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   22:16:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#51. To: TwentyTwelve (#40)

I stay inside and flip off the planes.

I don't want to get showered with barium.

LOL!

I hear you. I half expect them to start skywriting FU in the air. At this point, their graphics are getting more complex. More than the usual tic tac toe stuff. Odd backward P's with a line through the bottom. Then back they come to dress it up. They are certainly working the grids.

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