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Title: Appeals Court Says Some Patriot Act Provisions Unconstitutional
Source: Associated Press
URL Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic ... e/n152850S48.DTL&type=politics
Published: Dec 10, 2007
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2007-12-10 19:39:52 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 949
Comments: 72

(12-10) 16:15 PST Los Angeles (AP) --

A federal appeals court ruled Monday that some portions of the U.S. Patriot Act that govern dealings with foreign terrorist organizations are unconstitutional because the language is too vague to be understood by a person of ordinary intelligence.

The ruling released Monday by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco affirms a 2005 decision by U.S. District Judge Audrey Collins.

Collins ruled on a petition seeking to clear the way for U.S. groups and individuals to assist organizations in Turkey and Sri Lanka with training on applying for disaster relief or conducting peace negotiations.

Collins said language in the Patriot Act was vague on matters involving training, expert advice or assistance, personnel and service to foreign terrorist organizations.

Without clear language, the plaintiffs argued, those who provide assistance to those organizations could be subject to U.S. prison terms of up to 15 years.

Charles Miller, a Justice Department spokesman, said his agency was reviewing the ruling to determine a response.

Collins' ruling prevented the federal government from enforcing the vague Patriot Act provisions as they apply to the terrorist groups named in the lawsuit.

In its 27-page decision, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals held that to survive a vagueness challenge, a statute "must be sufficiently clear to put a person of ordinary intelligence on notice that his or her contemplated conduct is unlawful."

The language covered by the ruling remained unconstitutionally vague despite Congressional amendments to the Patriot Act meant to remedy the problems, the appeals court ruled.

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#33. To: buckeye (#24)

At 4:12 someone goes off.

that sounds like Michael Badnarik

christine  posted on  2007-12-10   22:03:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: christine (#33)

The guy's on fire.

buckeye  posted on  2007-12-10   22:04:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: TwentyTwelve (#21)

The first thing I do in the morning is check the internet to see what the bad news is.

It is very sad.

Yes. The media tells us whats bad for the Ptb.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   22:04:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: FOH (#25)

Texas governor clears way for NAFTA superhighway

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   22:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: FOH (#23)

I live in the blessed assurance and even I get downright pissed off and grouchy about it...I even curse from time to time, get angry, sin, etc.. :/

I go outside and flip off the planes.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   22:08:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: FOH (#25)

THE NAU: IT'S THE ELEVENTH HOUR - GET BUSY

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   22:14:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: buckeye, ALL (#27)

Stop by her (Dr. Daneen Peterson) site (StoptheNorthAmericanUnion.com) and chip in a few bucks if you can and will.

Encourage others to do the same. She does HEAVY DUTY research and has earned our support...over and over again.

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   22:16:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Peppa, FOH, wudidiz (#37)

I go outside and flip off the planes.

I stay inside and flip off the planes.

I don't want to get showered with barium.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   22:16:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: christine, Peppa, FOH (#33) (Edited)

...that sounds like Michael Badnarik

The Price of Liberty

This is an excerpt from an 8 hours crash course on understanding the Constitution of the United States of America.

3:09 - where the segment recorded in the video above begins, approximately.

He's explaining how incrementalism was used in persuading Germans and German Jews to accept the groundwork for the Holocaust.

buckeye  posted on  2007-12-10   22:17:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: FOH (#25)

Lou Dobbs and the North American Union (Video)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   22:17:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: FOH (#39)

informationliberation - North American Union Threatens U.S. Sovereignty

North American Union Threatens U.S. Sovereignty. Alan Caruba The problem with the Bush administration is that not enough of its officials have read the U.S. ...
www.informationliberation.com/?id=14790 - 32k - Cached

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   22:19:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: buckeye (#24)

Excellent!

I noted at 5:09, in the group shot of RP supporters, not one sign said, VOTE GOP.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   22:19:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: FOH (#39)

Bush Administration Fast-Tracks Formation of North American Union

Bush Administration Fast-Tracks Formation of North American Union. Jerome R. Corsi | July 11, 2006. With virtually no mention in the mainstream media, ...
www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/american_union_b ush_fast_tracks_formation.htm - 36k - Cached

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   22:19:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: TwentyTwelve, ALL (#29)

WorldNetDaily: North American Union leader says merger just crisis away...

Robert Pastor, a leading intellectual force in the move to create an EU-style North American Community, told WND he believes a new 9/11 crisis could be the catalyst to merge the U.S., Mexico and Canada....
www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53378 - 42k - Cached - Similar pages

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   22:20:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: FOH (#46)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   22:21:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Peppa (#37)

I go outside and flip off the planes.

lolol

I go out to my shooting range with my .50 and unwind...

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   22:21:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: FOH (#46)

NASCO - Divide & Conquer Tile Coaster

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   22:21:54 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: christine, buckeye (#33)

that sounds like Michael Badnarik

That's IT! Isn't it!

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   22:23:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: TwentyTwelve (#40)

I stay inside and flip off the planes.

I don't want to get showered with barium.

LOL!

I hear you. I half expect them to start skywriting FU in the air. At this point, their graphics are getting more complex. More than the usual tic tac toe stuff. Odd backward P's with a line through the bottom. Then back they come to dress it up. They are certainly working the grids.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   22:23:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: FOH (#48)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   22:24:03 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: TwentyTwelve (#38)

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   22:24:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: FOH (#25)

Ayyyyy.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   22:24:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Peppa (#51)

I half expect them to start skywriting FU in the air.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   22:25:34 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: FOH (#53)

What North American Union?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   22:26:54 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: buckeye, peppa (#41)

Marking this

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   22:27:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: TwentyTwelve (#52)

Geez.

Funny there will be no disposable cash to buy this trash in the government food outlet.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   22:28:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: TwentyTwelve (#55)

Great graphic.

Amazing how many people do not look up these days.

The rise in bad AQ days seem to go unexplained. But FOLKS, we had 3 orange quality days last year at this time for the year, now, 90. Must be global warming.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   22:30:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Peppa (#58)

Funny there will be no disposable cash to buy this trash in the government food outlet.

I wonder how many Ameros this will cost?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-10   22:32:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: TwentyTwelve (#36)

Texas governor clears way for NAFTA superhighway

From that article:

But, Corsi reported, Steven Anderson of the Institute for Justice's Castle Coalition, objected. He said Perry's action "left every home, farm, ranch and small-business owner vulnerable to the abuse of eminent domain."

Earlier, Corsi reported, Perry vetoed a plan to impose a two-year moratorium on the TTC project.

As WND previously reported, these measures were approved overwhelmingly by the Texas Legislature.

On learning that Perry had vetoed the eminent-domain legislation, Corridor Watch, a public advocacy group that opposes the TTC project, responded immediately.

"It sure didn't take TxDOT long to shake off the legislative session and resume their headlong rush to use every available loophole, exception and remaining authority to build toll roads and grant toll road concessions just as fast as possible," the organization said.

Corridor Watch also noted that in the 49 bills Perry vetoed June 15 were measures that would have required TxDOT to consider using existing highway routes for future TTC routes and a bill that called on the Texas attorney general to study the impact of international agreements on Texas.

NOTE: Governor Rick "Quisling" Perry
***ATTENDED BILDERBERG JUST BEFORE HIS VETOES***

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   22:32:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: TwentyTwelve (#36)

Rick Perry is a Son of a Bitch.

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   22:36:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Peppa (#54)

That's some chewy and nutritious reading there my friend Peppa...

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   22:37:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: FOH (#48)

I go out to my shooting range with my .50 and unwind...

LOL! My finger has no recoil, so, I think you win.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   22:50:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Peppa (#64)

Heheheh

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   22:52:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: TwentyTwelve (#60)

I wonder how many Ameros this will cost?

4 gillion?

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   22:52:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: FOH (#63)

That's some chewy and nutritious reading there my friend Peppa...

My word chip is on the blink at times.;)

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   22:53:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Peppa (#67)

Peppa.

Here's what I know for sure.

God is in control, and if you're in Him then you have nothing to fear...'Night my friend.

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-10   22:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: FOH (#68)

Here's what I know for sure.

God is in control, and if you're in Him then you have nothing to fear...'Night my friend.

Yes he is. I'm in. But worry is just what I do.

Have a good night. :)

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   23:02:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: FOH (#31)

Yes, I have seen it but thanks for the ping.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-11   16:33:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: buckeye (#41)

ah ha! so i was correct!

christine  posted on  2007-12-11   21:08:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: christine (#71)

Yes, many thanks.

buckeye  posted on  2007-12-11   21:11:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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