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Title: Hypocrite Kucinich Drafts Legislation To Ban Guns
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URL Source: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/200407banguns.htm
Published: Dec 12, 2007
Author: Paul Joseph Watson
Post Date: 2007-12-12 11:09:33 by christine
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Entertains notion that bloodthirsty Neo-Fascists carried out 9/11, then says we should hand over our only protection against them Dennis Kucinich has shot himself in the foot, pardon the pun, by alienating a huge majority of his most vocal and active online supporters, the 9/11 Truth Movement, in drafting legislation that will completely ban the purchase, sale, transfer, or possession of handguns by civilians. Kucinich has effectively ended any minute chance he had of becoming President in 2008. The Congressman from Cleveland has received plaudits for being the only man on Capitol Hill, besides Ron Paul, to even consider pushing for a new inquiry into the events of 9/11. Though Kucinich warned that the investigation "would be limited," he has promised to organize a committee before the end of the year to focus on "Some specific areas that to me represent the most egregious examples of distortion of truth or lack of information." "By focusing in on that, I'll be able to bring forward a new dimension to the discussions. And from there, we'll move ahead," said Kucinich. According to Raw Story, the Congressman has also selected a date to introduce articles of impeachment against Vice President Dick Cheney. Wonderful, empowering, a breath of fresh air - but you know it just sounded too good to be true, because now comes this; "Kucinich is currently drafting legislation that would ban the purchase, sale, transfer, or possession of handguns by civilians." That's right - our intrepid warrior in the fight to restore the Constitution, wants to gut the very bedrock of it - the Second Amendment. Just as the Bush administration exploited the immediate aftermath of 9/11 to ram through the Patriot Act, Kucinich cites the Virginia Massacre as evidence of a "national emergency" that requires an instant assault on the bill of rights to "protect" us all from the madmen. Kucinich is seemingly willing to entertain the notion that 9/11 was carried out by a ruthless gang of bloodthirsty Neo-Fascists within our own government, yet he thinks we should all hand in our only means of defense against such thugs when the men in black ski-masks come knocking. Notice Kucinich specifies that only "civilians" will be forced to turn in their weapons - the guardians of the state will still be allowed to arm themselves to the teeth to keep us all safe. Gun control is a religion, and no matter how many facts you throw out about how guns prevent hundreds of thousands of crimes every year, or arguments about how criminals don't obey laws and gun control only disarms the victims, the majority will never change minds that are already made up.
Poster Comment: Notice Kucinich specifies that only "civilians" will be forced to turn in their weapons - the guardians of the state will still be allowed to arm themselves to the teeth to keep us all safe. Kucinich has been outed...he's a Traitor to the American people!!
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#11. To: FOH (#8)
You should be alarmed. The "truth" movement has peaked.
Yawn.
I just looked at Congressional Quarterly's list of bills that Kucinich has sponsored in the last 12 months, and I could not find any such bill.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Like, REAL soon...
What North American Union? Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW! Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
you have to be a member to get into the site you linked? is there anywhere else to research the validity of the bill?
I know your NeoCon "Dear Leader" tag team duo knew 911 was coming and facilitated it by allowing it to happen. The evidence is mounting and has been for some time. The remote controlled planes/missiles/etc I have not taken the time to obsess over because I already know what we're dealing with from this CFR-controlled illegal shadow government of quislings. I bet you know it too, but you justify it because now 'we' are not only nation building in the Middle East - we're building another Super State - the Middle Eastern Union (if Israel abandons the 'plan' it will instead in all reality be the Islamic Union) as the result...just as people LIKE YOU know in your dark hearts that the massacre at Pearl Harbor could have been prevented...but it played into the hands of molding Public Opinion to enter that war...and get into bed with the Communists, putting the United Nations in our midst.
What North American Union? Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW! Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
Maybe you can find the bill on thomas.loc.gov. I believe they also list members' bills.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
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If you had read the article you'd know that he's only "DRAFTING" that bill, it's not hit congress yet. The story lacks credability since no one has seen the alleged bill. IMO Ron Paul should wait until the bill surfaces before condemning it.
His own words: Gun Laws, Gun Rights & Violence There are few topics that divide America more than the issues associated with firearms. For the vast majority of Americans who own firearms, they are a form of recreation in the character of hunting and/or target shooting. For many, they are a method for safety and protection in a society characterized by violence. But all too frequently, they are used for violence. I have friends who both hunt and shoot. These are good people, they are not criminals, and they lock up their guns when not using them. I support their right to their hobbies, and I support the right to bear arms. I have also talked with widows and children left fatherless due to the improper use of firearms, and I am committed to preventing such tragedies from happening. By helping to develop a society which does not look to violence as a method of solving problems, my proposed Department of Peace will play a key role in this. Conflict resolution and alternatives to violence will constitute major areas of responsibility within this new Department, so that we can begin to lead by examples as well as by words. My efforts to lead the fight against assault weapons have been highly recognized by The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. One year after the DC-area sniper attacks, I co-signed a bill, H.R. 2038, to renew and strengthen the federal assault weapons ban. I also attended a recent Save Our Sons and Daughters (SOSAD) event. While some of my opponents in the Democratic primary believe that gun laws should reside at the state level, I respectfully disagree. In this mobile society, national control of guns just is necessary, just as it is with pollution. It is the right of Americans to keep and bear arms; however it is not the right of American felons to arm themselves. In a time when homeland security is of utmost concern, it is perplexing why anyone would not wish to keep guns out of the hands of those who might do us harm. This is why I would support legislation to require background checks, identical to the background checks currently required for transfers by licensed gun dealers, for firearm transfers by unlicensed gun dealers at gun shows. Sensible laws to prevent guns from winding up in the wrong hands do not infringe on any constitutional rights. I agree with the Brady Campaign that Congress should end the gun industry's immunity from product safety regulation and that irresponsible dealers who allow weapons to fall into the hands of criminals should be held accountable. President Bush campaigned on the promise to reauthorize the law banning assault weapons. However, in a calculated move to avoid signing the bill, the President has not spoken out publicly or forcefully to make the House Republicans under Rep. Tom DeLay bring the legislation out of committee and pass it. It is a shame that our current President is willing to expend limitless political capital to financially benefit his own campaign contributors with trillion- dollar tax cuts, but will spend nothing to keep assault weapons out of the hands of potential terrorists.
Well, discrediting Kucinich might be an effective way of discrediting the mounting efforts to impeach Cheney and Bush, might it not?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
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This article says "drafting". It has not been formally introduced. Therefore and for now, someone just needs to directly question Kucinich on any such intentions. Or wait for a formal submission to the floor upon which it shall be in the Congressional Record and should appear on a house.gov bill search. My gut reaction is that this is not true.
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I read through that pretty quickly, but I didn't see anything like talk of a complete ban on handguns.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
You're very kind...I just call things as I see them.
My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue... That statement is incongruent with proposed legislation to ban all Americans from hand gun ownership.
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You'll have the rest of your life to obsess over such foolishness so take your time.
What a freaking turd kucinich is...he can't be that naive...I guess he could be that stoooopid though.
My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue... You can go f*_ck yourself too, NeoCon bozo...
My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue... That is so hilarious.
Kind of early in the day to be drunk, isn't it?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Hey! Your bozo filter works GREAT! My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue... From a vacuous mind for all to see.
ari, that's splitting hairs. Kucinich is quite clear that he's anti 2nd amendment.
I'm reminded of what Walter Williams said. He said, "I want whatever the govermnent has to use against me." There ya go.
I'll be over here caressing my AK...
My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue... i got one too.
kucinich won't be getting mine...I just calmed her down and it wasn't easy.
My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue... Hold on now....IIRC his desire to create a Department of Peace would require its surrender, if for no other reason than the safety of us and the children. And I do believe his urge to have a national register of assault weapons (handguns included) is a swell idea. In China.
Ron Paul has previously and already addressed this issue on NUMEROUS occasions. Here is one of MANY examples: "Restore the Second Amendment by Rep. Ron Paul, MD Ron Paul in the US House of Representatives, January 9, 2003 Mr. Speaker, I rise to restore the right the founding fathers saw as the guarantee of every other right by introducing the Second Amendment Protection Act. This legislation reverses the steady erosion of the right to keep and bear arms by repealing unconstitutional laws that allow power-hungry federal bureaucrats to restrict the rights of law-abiding gun owners. Specifically, my legislation repeals the five-day waiting period and the "instant" background check, which enables the federal government to compile a database of every gun owner in America. My legislation also repeals the misnamed ban on "semi-automatic" weapons, which bans entire class of firearms for no conceivable reason beside the desire of demagogic politicians to appear tough on crime. Finally, my bill amends the Gun Control Act of 1968 by deleting the "sporting purposes" test, which allows the Treasury Secretary to infringe on second amendment rights by classifying a firearm (handgun, rifle, shotgun) as a "destructive device" simply because the Secretary believes the gun to be "non-sporting." Thomas Jefferson said "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; ...that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." Jefferson, and all of the Founders, would be horrified by the proliferation of unconstitutional legislation that prevents law-abiding Americans from exercising their right and duty to keep and bear arms. I hope my colleagues will join me in upholding the Founders' vision for a free society by cosponsoring the Second Amendment Restoration Act."
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Well, since the NeoCons/NeoCommies have made us a wholly-owned-subsidiary of the Chicomms I guess I'll have to make sacrifices for the greater common good...sorry Bessy.
My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue... Thanks bales. I actually believe RP is excellent on the 2nd amendment and those who link him to cruds like Kucinich are doing his effort a great disservice.
He's toast.
laughing...
Sure could look at it that way. I tried to find more, but bumped into this: Very interesting. And there are deal breakers all through his positions for me. I don't see much use wasting time on him: www.onth eissues.org/2008/...Kucinich_Civil_Rights.htm
Have you noticed that Kucinich has been excluded from the next debate, in Iowa? The powers that be sure seem to have it in for him. That, for me, speaks volumes in his favor.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
The Second Amendment The Second Amendment Congressman Ron Paul (R-Texas) is the leading advocate for freedom in our nation’s capital. As a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, Dr. Paul tirelessly works for limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies. He is known among his congressional colleagues and his constituents for his consistent voting record. Dr. Paul never votes for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution. The Second Amendment I share our Founders’ belief that in a free society each citizen must have the right to keep and bear arms. They ratified the Second Amendment knowing that this right is the guardian of every other right, and they all would be horrified by the proliferation of unconstitutional legislation that prevents law-abiding Americans from exercising this right. I have always supported the Second Amendment and these are some of the bills I have introduced in the current Congress to help restore respect for it: H.R. 1096 includes provisions repealing the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act and the Federal Firearms License Reform Act of 1993, two invasive and unconstitutional bills. H.R. 1897 would end the ban on carrying a firearm in the National Park System, restoring Americans’ ability to protect themselves in potentially hazardous situations. H.R. 3305 would allow pilots and specially assigned law enforcement personnel to carry firearms in order to protect airline passengers, possibly preventing future 9/11-style attacks. H.R. 1146 would end our membership in the United Nations, protecting us from their attempts to tax our guns or disarm us entirely. In the past, I introduced legislation to repeal the so-called “assault weapons” ban before its 2004 sunset, and I will oppose any attempts to reinstate it. I also recently opposed H.R. 2640, which would allow government-appointed psychiatrists to ban U.S. veterans experiencing even mild forms of Post- Traumatic Stress Syndrome from ever owning a gun. You have the right to protect your life, liberty, and property. As President, I will continue to guard the liberties stated in the Second Amendment. I go back to what Ron Paul said when asked by Jay Leno if he would consider being VP. Paraphrasing, no, I don't think I'd be asked, and wouldn't if we did not share Constitutional values.
kucinich wants his buddy Ron's guns...
My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue... I well remember that. Kuncinich would not be Paul's running mate. All this commotion over Kucinich and Paul is puzzling and unnecessary. Expecting or demanding Ron Paul to immediately condemn an ALLEGED, UNPROVEN, PURPORTED drafting of legislation by Kuncinch is...nevermind. I'll repeat this though: even if in the non-existent event that Kucinich was Paul's running mate, I would still support that ticket.
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Yes. I just picked up on that this morning. Welll, you know, his positions on many civil liberties issues don't align with many of those supporting Ron Paul. This Gun Control ban, if true, is a poison pill. I checked out what I could find about the size of his crowds, very small, his blog, no entries. And, while he may have it right on a couple or three big things, there's much to assess. I'm biased, I wan't no more half-measures addressing a fix to a problem. I just don't see him now rising up as one to beat. However, if it were a contest between Paul and Kucinich, I see a landslide Paul win. BTW, any thoughts as to who RP might choose as a running mate, as long as we are looking down the road?
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestStruck a nerve? No, you just continue to out yourself which causes ALARMS to go off for good reason...Mister Quisling
#12. To: Cynicom (#9)
The Titanic is sinking and you are the band leader.
#13. To: christine (#0)
#14. To: christine (#10)
I, for one, will be disappointed if RP doesn't address this. This is proof that Kucinich is no advocate of restoring the Constitution and RP should voice his disassociation with this treasonous act.
#15. To: aristeides (#13)
#16. To: Mister Clean (#11)
#17. To: christine (#15)
#18. To: FOH (#16)
#19. To: aristeides (#13)
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"Kucinich is currently drafting legislation that would ban the purchase, sale, transfer, or possession of handguns by civilians."
Ron Paul or Assimilation? - You Decide 2008
#20. To: aristeides (#17)
#21. To: hondo68 (#19)
#22. To: All (#20)
#23. To: christine (#15)
is there anywhere else to research the validity of the bill?
#24. To: christine (#20)
#25. To: christine (#18)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#26. To: christine (#20)
It is the right of Americans to keep and bear arms; however it is not the right of American felons to arm themselves.
#27. To: FOH (#16)
The remote controlled planes/missiles/etc I have not taken the time to obsess over because I already know what we're dealing with from this CFR-controlled illegal shadow government of quislings.
#28. To: christine (#20)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#29. To: Mister Clean (#27)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#30. To: FOH (#29)
My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue...
#31. To: FOH (#29)
#32. To: christine (#20)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#33. To: Mister Clean (#12)
Yawn.
#34. To: aristeides (#24)
but I didn't see anything like talk of a complete ban on handguns.
#35. To: aristeides (#24)
Allow me to help. Below is part of the definition - 'assault weapon' - do you see where it includes handguns?
#36. To: Jethro Tull, aristeides, FOH, all (#35)
#37. To: christine (#36)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#38. To: FOH (#37)
#39. To: christine (#38)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#40. To: FOH (#39)
kucinich won't be getting mine
#41. To: christine (#10)
I, for one, will be disappointed if RP doesn't address this.
#42. To: Jethro Tull (#40)
And I do believe his urge to have a national register of assault weapons (handguns included) is a swell idea. In China.
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#43. To: wbales (#41)
#44. To: christine (#0)
#45. To: FOH (#39)
I just calmed her down and it wasn't easy.
#46. To: aristeides (#21)
Well, discrediting Kucinich might be an effective way of discrediting the mounting efforts to impeach Cheney and Bush, might it not?
#47. To: Peppa (#46)
#48. To: wbales (#41)
And from his campaign website:
#49. To: Peppa (#48)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#50. To: Peppa (#48)
Paraphrasing, no, I don't think I'd be asked, and wouldn't if we did not share Constitutional values.
#51. To: aristeides (#47)
Have you noticed that Kucinich has been excluded from the next debate, in Iowa? The powers that be sure seem to have it in for him. That, for me, speaks volumes in his favor.
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