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Title: Hypocrite Kucinich Drafts Legislation To Ban Guns
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URL Source: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/200407banguns.htm
Published: Dec 12, 2007
Author: Paul Joseph Watson
Post Date: 2007-12-12 11:09:33 by christine
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Comments: 75
Entertains notion that bloodthirsty Neo-Fascists carried out 9/11, then says we should hand over our only protection against them Dennis Kucinich has shot himself in the foot, pardon the pun, by alienating a huge majority of his most vocal and active online supporters, the 9/11 Truth Movement, in drafting legislation that will completely ban the purchase, sale, transfer, or possession of handguns by civilians. Kucinich has effectively ended any minute chance he had of becoming President in 2008. The Congressman from Cleveland has received plaudits for being the only man on Capitol Hill, besides Ron Paul, to even consider pushing for a new inquiry into the events of 9/11. Though Kucinich warned that the investigation "would be limited," he has promised to organize a committee before the end of the year to focus on "Some specific areas that to me represent the most egregious examples of distortion of truth or lack of information." "By focusing in on that, I'll be able to bring forward a new dimension to the discussions. And from there, we'll move ahead," said Kucinich. According to Raw Story, the Congressman has also selected a date to introduce articles of impeachment against Vice President Dick Cheney. Wonderful, empowering, a breath of fresh air - but you know it just sounded too good to be true, because now comes this; "Kucinich is currently drafting legislation that would ban the purchase, sale, transfer, or possession of handguns by civilians." That's right - our intrepid warrior in the fight to restore the Constitution, wants to gut the very bedrock of it - the Second Amendment. Just as the Bush administration exploited the immediate aftermath of 9/11 to ram through the Patriot Act, Kucinich cites the Virginia Massacre as evidence of a "national emergency" that requires an instant assault on the bill of rights to "protect" us all from the madmen. Kucinich is seemingly willing to entertain the notion that 9/11 was carried out by a ruthless gang of bloodthirsty Neo-Fascists within our own government, yet he thinks we should all hand in our only means of defense against such thugs when the men in black ski-masks come knocking. Notice Kucinich specifies that only "civilians" will be forced to turn in their weapons - the guardians of the state will still be allowed to arm themselves to the teeth to keep us all safe. Gun control is a religion, and no matter how many facts you throw out about how guns prevent hundreds of thousands of crimes every year, or arguments about how criminals don't obey laws and gun control only disarms the victims, the majority will never change minds that are already made up.
Poster Comment: Notice Kucinich specifies that only "civilians" will be forced to turn in their weapons - the guardians of the state will still be allowed to arm themselves to the teeth to keep us all safe. Kucinich has been outed...he's a Traitor to the American people!!
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#35. To: aristeides (#24)
I'm reminded of what Walter Williams said. He said, "I want whatever the govermnent has to use against me." There ya go.
I'll be over here caressing my AK...
My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue... i got one too.
kucinich won't be getting mine...I just calmed her down and it wasn't easy.
My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue... Hold on now....IIRC his desire to create a Department of Peace would require its surrender, if for no other reason than the safety of us and the children. And I do believe his urge to have a national register of assault weapons (handguns included) is a swell idea. In China.
Ron Paul has previously and already addressed this issue on NUMEROUS occasions. Here is one of MANY examples: "Restore the Second Amendment by Rep. Ron Paul, MD Ron Paul in the US House of Representatives, January 9, 2003 Mr. Speaker, I rise to restore the right the founding fathers saw as the guarantee of every other right by introducing the Second Amendment Protection Act. This legislation reverses the steady erosion of the right to keep and bear arms by repealing unconstitutional laws that allow power-hungry federal bureaucrats to restrict the rights of law-abiding gun owners. Specifically, my legislation repeals the five-day waiting period and the "instant" background check, which enables the federal government to compile a database of every gun owner in America. My legislation also repeals the misnamed ban on "semi-automatic" weapons, which bans entire class of firearms for no conceivable reason beside the desire of demagogic politicians to appear tough on crime. Finally, my bill amends the Gun Control Act of 1968 by deleting the "sporting purposes" test, which allows the Treasury Secretary to infringe on second amendment rights by classifying a firearm (handgun, rifle, shotgun) as a "destructive device" simply because the Secretary believes the gun to be "non-sporting." Thomas Jefferson said "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; ...that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." Jefferson, and all of the Founders, would be horrified by the proliferation of unconstitutional legislation that prevents law-abiding Americans from exercising their right and duty to keep and bear arms. I hope my colleagues will join me in upholding the Founders' vision for a free society by cosponsoring the Second Amendment Restoration Act."
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Well, since the NeoCons/NeoCommies have made us a wholly-owned-subsidiary of the Chicomms I guess I'll have to make sacrifices for the greater common good...sorry Bessy.
My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue... Thanks bales. I actually believe RP is excellent on the 2nd amendment and those who link him to cruds like Kucinich are doing his effort a great disservice.
He's toast.
laughing...
Sure could look at it that way. I tried to find more, but bumped into this: Very interesting. And there are deal breakers all through his positions for me. I don't see much use wasting time on him: www.onth eissues.org/2008/...Kucinich_Civil_Rights.htm
Have you noticed that Kucinich has been excluded from the next debate, in Iowa? The powers that be sure seem to have it in for him. That, for me, speaks volumes in his favor.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
The Second Amendment The Second Amendment Congressman Ron Paul (R-Texas) is the leading advocate for freedom in our nation’s capital. As a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, Dr. Paul tirelessly works for limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies. He is known among his congressional colleagues and his constituents for his consistent voting record. Dr. Paul never votes for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution. The Second Amendment I share our Founders’ belief that in a free society each citizen must have the right to keep and bear arms. They ratified the Second Amendment knowing that this right is the guardian of every other right, and they all would be horrified by the proliferation of unconstitutional legislation that prevents law-abiding Americans from exercising this right. I have always supported the Second Amendment and these are some of the bills I have introduced in the current Congress to help restore respect for it: H.R. 1096 includes provisions repealing the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act and the Federal Firearms License Reform Act of 1993, two invasive and unconstitutional bills. H.R. 1897 would end the ban on carrying a firearm in the National Park System, restoring Americans’ ability to protect themselves in potentially hazardous situations. H.R. 3305 would allow pilots and specially assigned law enforcement personnel to carry firearms in order to protect airline passengers, possibly preventing future 9/11-style attacks. H.R. 1146 would end our membership in the United Nations, protecting us from their attempts to tax our guns or disarm us entirely. In the past, I introduced legislation to repeal the so-called “assault weapons” ban before its 2004 sunset, and I will oppose any attempts to reinstate it. I also recently opposed H.R. 2640, which would allow government-appointed psychiatrists to ban U.S. veterans experiencing even mild forms of Post- Traumatic Stress Syndrome from ever owning a gun. You have the right to protect your life, liberty, and property. As President, I will continue to guard the liberties stated in the Second Amendment. I go back to what Ron Paul said when asked by Jay Leno if he would consider being VP. Paraphrasing, no, I don't think I'd be asked, and wouldn't if we did not share Constitutional values.
kucinich wants his buddy Ron's guns...
My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue... I well remember that. Kuncinich would not be Paul's running mate. All this commotion over Kucinich and Paul is puzzling and unnecessary. Expecting or demanding Ron Paul to immediately condemn an ALLEGED, UNPROVEN, PURPORTED drafting of legislation by Kuncinch is...nevermind. I'll repeat this though: even if in the non-existent event that Kucinich was Paul's running mate, I would still support that ticket.
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Yes. I just picked up on that this morning. Welll, you know, his positions on many civil liberties issues don't align with many of those supporting Ron Paul. This Gun Control ban, if true, is a poison pill. I checked out what I could find about the size of his crowds, very small, his blog, no entries. And, while he may have it right on a couple or three big things, there's much to assess. I'm biased, I wan't no more half-measures addressing a fix to a problem. I just don't see him now rising up as one to beat. However, if it were a contest between Paul and Kucinich, I see a landslide Paul win. BTW, any thoughts as to who RP might choose as a running mate, as long as we are looking down the road?
A: I was mayor of Cleveland and I grew up in the city and you could sometimes hear gunshots as part of the music of the night. We know that there's a Virginia Tech happening in this country every day. At least 32 people are killed every day with handguns. We know that over a period of 100 days, as many people are killed by handguns as died in 9/11 in this country. We know that there is a crisis of public safety and security. We have babies dying in the streets because of these handguns. Now, we've got to give a direct answer. It is time that we ban handguns. We have to do that in order to protect our cities. It is time that we took a position that says that the 14th Amendment, you know, that right to life, liberty, is just as important as the 2nd Amendment. It's time that we took a stand on behalf of the health and safety of the American people and, as president, I'm ready to do that on Oct 20, 2005 on Apr 9, 2003 While widely recognized today as a major political force and as America's foremost defender of Second Amendment rights, the National Rifle Association (NRA) has, since its inception, been the premier firearms education organization in the world. But our successes would not be possible without the tireless efforts and countless hours of service our nearly three million members have given to champion Second Amendment rights and support NRA programs. While widely recognized today as a major political force and as America's foremost defender of Second Amendment rights, the National Rifle Association (NRA) has, since its inception, been the premier firearms education organization in the world. But our successes would not be possible without the tireless efforts and countless hours of service our nearly three million members have given to champion Second Amendment rights and support NRA programs. The following ratings are based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionaire sent to all Congressional candidates; the NRA assigned a letter grade (with A+ being the highest and F being the lowest). My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue... Sick.
My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue... I agree. Ron Pauls position on this should be all his supporters are concerned with. Kucinich is no threat to Paul. Should he make a statement on Britneys mental health? Whether Al Gore deserved a Nobel? No. We have to stay focused getting RONS message out to the public. RP seems to focus his energies into efficient messages, as he knows he is cheated from air time. Why waste a breath, unless absolutely necessary?
Sorry, not the foggiest.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Bad Bad very bad. A pox on Kuchikoo.
Pick one: Clinton/Obama OR Paul/Kucnich Which one?????
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Premature at this point. It won't be Kucinich.
Register to vote for Ron Paul NOW.
NRA ignores/dismisses Ron Paul.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Yep. Denny would get his butt kicked up tween his cheek bone in a one on one with Paul on this.
I was asked this by a Hillary voting dem this morning. Sooooo, obama VP for Paul? Kucinich? Gravel? Said no. I think, he may pull from outside the current pack of globies, and reach out to fiscal conservatives. Perhaps Tom McClintock in CA. It's fun to play with who might be a great compliment to his ticket.
This is Old News. Kucinich announced on April 18 (no year given) that he was drafting this legislation. If its not in Thomas, it hasn't been completed and introduced.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
The most recently Kucinich could have made this announcement is April 18th of this year. Even if it was this year, he's had plenty of time to complete and introduce the bill. And he hasn't.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
We have babies dying in the streets; ban handguns Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men? A: I was mayor of Cleveland and I grew up in the city and you could sometimes hear gunshots as part of the music of the night. We know that there's a Virginia Tech happening in this country every day. At least 32 people are killed every day with handguns. We know that over a period of 100 days, as many people are killed by handguns as died in 9/11 in this country. We know that there is a crisis of public safety and security. We have babies dying in the streets because of these handguns. Now, we've got to give a direct answer. It is time that we ban handguns. We have to do that in order to protect our cities. It is time that we took a position that says that the 14th Amendment, you know, that right to life, liberty, is just as important as the 2nd Amendment. It's time that we took a stand on behalf of the health and safety of the American people and, as president, I'm ready to do that Source: 2007 NAACP Presidential Primary Forum Jul 12, 2007 Well, isn't HE a SHILL for the NEW WORLD ORDER. EUSTACE MULLINS INTERVIEW WITH TIM VALENTINE "....VALENTINE: Now. Eustace. You have money and the federal reserve and these guys behind it. And then there's schools, with your new book on the Education for Slavery. Then the law and judges, and I believe that was in The Rape of Justice. MULLINS: Yeah, The Rape of Justice. Each one is a separate, monopoly study. I became interested in monopolies through the federal reserve system. And I realized that because they now had the power to print money, since 1913, they were printing the money and taking over other areas. So that's why you now have the medical monopoly, the American Medical Association, the medical trust. You have the legal monopoly, which controls the courts of the United States. And when you go into court, you are at their mercy because they can do whatever they wish. [CN -- See, for example, Defrauding America by Rodney Stich.] VALENTINE: Yep. And you've got the school monopoly. MULLINS: And the education monopoly! And they found that was the most important one of all, because, by training the children to accept these other monopolies [and] never question authority. [CN -- Also, the media monopoly, e.g. The Media Monopoly by Ben Bagdikian.] Don't forget, the 14th amendment said, "It's illegal to challenge the national debt!" TOM VALENTINE: Is that right!? The 14th amendment actually makes that statement? I gotta read that again. EUSTACE MULLINS: Oh yes. It says that it's a violation to question the validity of the national debt! In other words, you say, Tom Valentine says, "Well, they create this money out of nothing!" Well you've just committed a violation of the 14th amendment by saying that! VALENTINE: By the way, they had a meeting of law enforcement police chiefs and so on down in "Albasqueeky", New Mexico here, a few months ago. And I've just recently heard about it. And they've listed the "terrorists". And people who oppose the federal reserve, and people who oppose the income tax, and people who oppose NAFTA, are now on the list of terrorists in this country. MULLINS: Yeah, they call it "Constitutional terrorists"....." U.S. Constitution 14th Amendment - Index Page Your best internet resource on the non ratification of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution. www.14th-amendment.com/
Mix a little truth with a "progressive" and you get a kucinich. I guess RKBA means as little to you as it does to dennis...
My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue... Clinton/Obama OR Paul/Kucnich Which one????? Other
My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue... You might like this: click it:
sorry, i didn't catch your drift, or maybe it's the other way around. if i were to support the constitution, i would support the second amendment. if we were to have a constitution OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE, i would support the constitution. personally i think the constitution is a dead letter, and that God has other plans for us. the FRAUDULENT 14th on the other hand, is called the RED AMENDMENT for a good reason.
which is not to say i don't support the second amendment...OF COURSE I DO.
What's left of it (in practical application)...
My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue... Just as well as the NRA has been outed as the largest gun control, anti-second amendment group in America. They've gotten more gun control legislation passed than the Brady Bunch ever dreamed possible.
i know...not much...as i said, i think God has other [better] plans [i just wish He'd hurry up with them, before they take away the 2nd amendment...'course He did make a reference to how we 'would go through with slingstones'...i hope He didn't mean that LITERALLY!! :) ]
Come and take them you gutless traitor. P.S. Be sure and send gestapo jackboots without children. I'd hate to know I'm creating orphans. The cycle stops now.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx You think the sole member of Congress to have introduced two (!) resolutions for the impeachment of Cheney is a "gutless traitor"?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Allow me to help. Below is part of the definition - 'assault weapon' - do you see where it includes handguns?
#36. To: Jethro Tull, aristeides, FOH, all (#35)
#37. To: christine (#36)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#38. To: FOH (#37)
#39. To: christine (#38)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#40. To: FOH (#39)
kucinich won't be getting mine
#41. To: christine (#10)
I, for one, will be disappointed if RP doesn't address this.
#42. To: Jethro Tull (#40)
And I do believe his urge to have a national register of assault weapons (handguns included) is a swell idea. In China.
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#43. To: wbales (#41)
#44. To: christine (#0)
#45. To: FOH (#39)
I just calmed her down and it wasn't easy.
#46. To: aristeides (#21)
Well, discrediting Kucinich might be an effective way of discrediting the mounting efforts to impeach Cheney and Bush, might it not?
#47. To: Peppa (#46)
#48. To: wbales (#41)
And from his campaign website:
#49. To: Peppa (#48)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#50. To: Peppa (#48)
Paraphrasing, no, I don't think I'd be asked, and wouldn't if we did not share Constitutional values.
#51. To: aristeides (#47)
Have you noticed that Kucinich has been excluded from the next debate, in Iowa? The powers that be sure seem to have it in for him. That, for me, speaks volumes in his favor.
#52. To: Peppa (#46)
From a link at the link you provided...
Dennis Kucinich on Gun Control
Democratic Representative (OH-10)
Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?Kucinich supports the following principles regarding guns:
Which principles do you support regarding guns:
A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. A YES vote would:
Vote to pass a bill that would prohibit liability lawsuits from being brought against gun manufacturers and dealers based on the criminal misuse of firearms. The bill would also block these actions from being brought up against gun trade organizations and against ammunition makers and sellers. The measure would apply immediately to any pending cases. Several specific exceptions to the ban exist. This includes civil suits would be allowed against a maker or dealer who "knowingly and willfully violated" state or federal laws in the selling or marketing of a weapon. Design and manufacturing defect lawsuits are also permitted when weapons are "used as intended.
Vote to pass a bill requiring anyone who purchases a gun at a gun show to go through an instant background check which must be completed within 24 hours [instead of 72 hours].
Kucinich scores F by NRA on pro-gun rights policies
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#53. To: wbales (#50)
I'll repeat this though: even if in the non-existent event that Kucinich was Paul's running mate, I would still support that ticket.
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#54. To: wbales (#50)
All this commotion over Kucinich and Paul is puzzling and unnecessary. Expecting or demanding Ron Paul to immediately condemn an ALLEGED, UNPROVEN, PURPORTED drafting of legislation by Kuncinch is...nevermind.
#55. To: Peppa (#51)
BTW, any thoughts as to who RP might choose as a running mate, as long as we are looking down the road?
#56. To: FOH (#52)
#57. To: FOH (#53)
Sick.
#58. To: Peppa (#51)
BTW, any thoughts as to who RP might choose as a running mate, as long as we are looking down the road?
#59. To: FOH (#52)
#60. To: FOH (#49)
kucinich wants his buddy Ron's guns...
#61. To: wbales (#58)
Premature at this point. It won't be Kucinich.
#62. To: aristeides, christine (#13)
#63. To: mirage (#62)
#64. To: FOH (#52)
Dennis Kucinich on Gun Control Democratic Representative (OH-10)
#65. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#64)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#66. To: wbales (#57)
Pick one:
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#67. To: FOH (#52)
#68. To: FOH (#65)
#69. To: FOH (#68)
#70. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#69)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#71. To: aristeides (#59)
NRA ignores/dismisses Ron Paul.
Ron Paul or Assimilation? - You Decide 2008
#72. To: FOH (#70)
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#73. To: christine (#0)
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Kucinish...drafting legislation that will completely ban the purchase, sale, transfer, or possession of handguns (assault weapons like AR15s) by civilians.
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#74. To: IndieTX (#73)
Come and take them you gutless traitor.
#75. To: christine (#0)
Notice Kucinich specifies that only "civilians" will be forced to turn in their weapons - the guardians of the state will still be allowed to arm themselves to the teeth to keep us all safe.
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