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Title: Isa 9:6 — For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given.....and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. [JESUS IS GOD]
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Published: Dec 15, 2007
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Post Date: 2007-12-15 15:20:32 by AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt
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Isa 9:6 — For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isa 9:7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

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One God Of The Whole World

From the "dark ages" of Christendom, brought about by the theories and ideas of men, utter confusion has been left in the minds of people concerning the truth about one God. Without the knowledge of the truth, which only comes to an honest heart by divine revelation, many have misunderstood the manifestations of God, and have tried to form a doctrine of three Persons or Deities. Therefore, many are confused by this false, erroneous, man-made doctrine called the "Trinity". Do not take mere theories and ideas of men; learn the truth about this important subject. "Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God is ONE LORD." Deut. 6:4. This commandment given to Israel is confirmed in the New Testament (Mark 12:29) and must be obeyed by all Christians today. "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well; the devils also believe, and tremble." James 2:19. "God is a Spirit..." John 4:24. "No man hath seen God at any time..." John 1:18. Jesus speaking to Phillip "He who has seen me has seen the father..." Jn:14:9.

Throughout the history of man, God, the invisible Spirit, has revealed Himself to man through various manifestations. Although there have been many manifestations of God throughout the history of man, the Scriptures teach us that there are basically three offices or positions in which God has manifested himself. These three manifestations are a revelation of his plan of redemption for mankind, his authority, and his attributes. These three offices of manifestation (or attributes of his deity) are: God the Father in creation, God the Son (coming as Jesus) in redemption, and God the Holy Ghost in emanation (emanation defined as the spirit of Christ going forth) to indwell the body of the New Testament Church on the Day of Pentecost, thus sealing the promise "it is finished". This same spirit being the spirit of God dwelling in the Tabernacle of the OT. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily - Col:2:9. Until Christ fulfilled his ministry, finished his work, ascended into Glory, then sent forth his spirit, there was no fullness of the Holy Spirit to dwell in the tabernacle of men. There is now for all those who are born of his spirit, the Holy Ghost, the spirit of Christ dwelling in the tabernacle of men. Please visit the following links for a deeper look into "The Oneness of God..."

Oneness Writings Of Pastor Daniel

Accepting Jesus - Click On The Life Of Jesus To Watch The Movie

Baptism & Salvation

Baptism - The Original Apostolic Formula

Baptism In Depth

Blunders of Replacement Theology

Deeper Revelation Of The Oneness Of God

He Was In The World And The World Knew Him Not

Holy Ghost Infilling

Holy Ghost Under Both Covenants

Holy Temple Of God

Israel Of God Is The Church http://www.thunderministries.com/index/Israel.htm

New Covenant Baptism

Newman Verses The Old Man

Perfection In God's Eyes

Separation Unto Glory

When the Assembly or Church of God Began

When the Church of God Began - Debate

Textus Receptus (KJV) True Or Not

Tithes or Tithing is of Faith

Tithes in the Order of Melchisedec

Why God Chose Prophesy Through Tongues At Pentecost

Validity of Jesus Name http://www.thunderministries.net...y%20of%20Jesus%20Name.htm

The Son-Ship Of Jesus Christ

The Word Of God Made Flesh-The Son-Ship Of God - Part 1

The Word Of God Made Flesh - Part 2

BACK TO THUNDER MINISTRIES

Jesus Messiah - Colossians 2:9: For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

http://www.thunderministries.com/Messianic/MessianicP.htm

Chapter 4. JESUS IS GOD

"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Colossians 2:9).

The fact that Jesus is God is as firmly established in Scripture as the fact that God is one. The Bible teaches that Jesus is fully God and fully man. In this chapter we will discuss the former; in Chapter 5 - THE SON OF GOD the latter.

In the next few sections we will present and discuss scriptural proofs that Jesus is God, numbering them for the reader's convenience.

The Old Testament Testifies That Jesus Is God

1. Isaiah 9:6 is one of the most powerful proofs that Jesus is God: "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father The Prince of Peace." The terms child and son refer to the Incarnation or manifestation of "The mighty God" and "The everlasting Father." ........

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/h...s/pentecostal/One-Ch4.htm

Jhn 8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

Jhn 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

Jhn 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Jhn 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

Jhn 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.

Jhn 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

Jhn 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/8/58.html

Jhn 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn008.html#58

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/28/19.html

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I AM with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

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#1. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)

I always thought it should be "Wonderful Counsellor," not "wonderful, counsellor."

Fortune favors the prepared mind. A zombie, however, prefers it raw.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2007-12-15   16:48:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If God consists of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, then doesn't that mean that Jesus if part of God rather than God?

Jesus said to pray to 'Our' Father.

Doesn't that mean that God is our Father as much as God is Jesus' Father?

... seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you...

wudidiz  posted on  2007-12-15   17:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I always thought it should be "Wonderful Counsellor," not "wonderful, counsellor."

What a difference a comma can make. [this is one of my pet topics.] In a nutshell, you MUST connect this verse with Judges 13:18. If you scroll down at the link:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/9/6.html to "his name", you will see:

Jdg 13:18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it [is] secret?

This is the "Angel of the Lord" speaking to the parents of Samson, a Danite.

If you look up this word "secret" at Judges 13:18 in the concordance, it does not say "secret"; it says "Wonderful":

Lexicon Results for pil'iy (Strong's H6383) Hebrew for H6383 –8;–0;”8;•7;

Transliteration

pil'iy

Pronunciation

pil·' (Key)

Part of Speech

adjective [???? I'd say as used here, it's a PROPER NOUN]

Root Word (Etymology)

from H6381

TWOT Reference

1768b

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) wonderful, incomprehensible, extraordinary

Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 4 AV — secret 1, wonderful 1, variant 2

root word:

Lexicon Results for pala' (Strong's H6381) Hebrew for H6381 –8;–0;”8;

Transliteration

pala'

Pronunciation

pä·lä' (Key)

Part of Speech

verb

Root Word (Etymology)

a primitive root

TWOT Reference

1768

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) to be marvellous, be wonderful, be surpassing, be extraordinary, separate by distinguishing action

a) (Niphal)

1) to be beyond one's power, be difficult to do

2) to be difficult to understand

3) to be wonderful, be extraordinary

a) marvellous (participle)

b) (Piel) to separate (an offering)

c) (Hiphil)

1) to do extraordinary or hard or difficult thing

2) to make wonderful, do wondrously

d) (Hithpael) to show oneself wonderful or marvellous

Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 71 AV — (wondrous, marvellous...) work 18, wonders 9, marvellous 8, wonderful 8, ...things 6, hard 5, wondrous 3, wondrously 2, marvellously 2, performing 2, misc 8

see here:

Phrase of Scripture Correlating Passages TSK Help

Why askest Jdg 13:6; Gen 32:29

secret "or, wonderful. It was because his name was secret that Manoah wished to know it. But the angel does not say it was secret, but hoo pailee, ""it is wonderful;"" the very character given to the Messiah: ""His name shall be called pailai, Wonderful,"" Isa 9:6."

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jdg/13/18.html . If you hit the "V" next to the link, you can see the other versions of this verse.

I'm really glad you asked this question. I don't know why I have never read Matthew Henry on this chapter before, or if I did, why it never hit me like it is right now. I had more than a couple lightbulbs go off while reading it.

For the purposes of this thread, I think the most important thing I gleaned from it is this regarding Samson, of the tribe of Dan:

"....4. He foretels the service which this child should do to his country: He shall begin to deliver Israel. Note, It is very desirable that our children may be not only devoted entirely to God themselves, but instrumental for the good of others, and the service of their generation—not recluses, candles under a bushel, but on a candlestick. Observe, He shall begin to deliver Israel. This intimated that the oppression of the Philistines should last long, for Israel’s deliverance from it should not so much as begin, not one step be taken towards it, till this child, who was now unborn, should have grown up to a capacity of beginning it. And yet he must not complete the deliverance: he shall only begin to deliver Israel, which intimates that the trouble should still be prolonged. God chooses to carry on his work gradually and by several hands. One lays the foundation of a good work, another builds, and perhaps a third brings forth the top stone. Now herein Samson was a type of Christ, (1.) As a Nazarite to God, a Nazarite from the womb. For, though our Lord Jesus was not a Nazarite himself, yet he was typified by the Nazarites, as being perfectly pure from all sin, not so much as conceived in it, and entirely devoted to his Father’s honour. Of the Jewish church, as concerning the flesh, Christ came, because to them pertained the promise of him, Rom. 9:4, 5. By virtue of that promise,. he long lay as it were in the womb of that church, which for many ages was pregnant of him, and therefore, like Samson’s mother, during that pregnancy was made a holy nation and a peculiar people, and strictly forbidden to touch any unclean thing for his sake, who in the fulness of time was to come from them. (2.) As a deliverer of Israel; for he is Jesus a Saviour, who saves his people from their sins. But with this difference: Samson did only begin to deliver Israel (David was afterwards raised up to complete the destruction of the Philistines),**** but our Lord Jesus is both Samson and David too, both the author and finisher of our faith......"

BTW, the "Angel" is of course, Jesus, in case you didn't already know it, or have not figured it out. See....

Matthew Henry Commentary on Judges 13

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/mhc/Jdg/Jdg013.html

I think you're one that doesn't believe in conspiracies, so I won't go into what all I have long thought about this verse, and it's comma or lack therof, long before blueletterbible published their explanation of this verse. I have shouted about this subject more than once, sounding I am sure, like some kind of nut. I'll give you the article that started me down this search for the truth many years ago, and you can read it or not, contemplate it or not, but thank you again, for raising the question.

The Lost Tribe of Dan

http://watch.pair.com/dan.html

To you Danites out there [you know who you are], thank you, now please rest from your labors, and let God take over. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen050.html#20 / http://www.originofnations.org/old_bi_literature/Pitts.htm

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to noone:

"....Here is, 1. Samson’s birth. The woman that had been long barren bore a son, according to the promise; for no word of God shall fall to the ground. Hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? 2. His name, Samson, has been derived by some, from Shemesh, the sun, turned into a diminutive, sol exiguus—the sun in miniature, perhaps because, being born like Moses to be a deliverer, he was like him exceedingly fair, his face shone like a little sun; or his parents so named him in remembrance of the shining countenance of that man of God who brought them the notice of him; though they knew not his name, yet thus, now that his sayings had come to pass, they did him honour. A little sun, because a Nazarite born (for the Nazarites were as rubies and sapphires, Lam. 4:7, and because of his great strength. The sun is compared to a strong man Ps. 19:5); why should not a strong man then be compared to the sun when he goes forth in his strength? A little sun, because the glory of, and a light to, his people Israel, a type of Christ, the Sun of righteousness...." - Matthew Henry

President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-12-16   12:01:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If God consists of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, then doesn't that mean that Jesus if part of God rather than God?

Look again at the example again that I gave in John 8:58-59, possibly my favorite, because if you think about it, Jesus is revealing Himself in the three persons:

1) Himself, the Son in the flesh, 2) Himself the Father, the Great I AM, that spoke to Moses [tell them that I AM has sent you], and 3) the Holy Ghost that "hid" himself among these folks who KNEW THAT HE WAS DECLARING HIMSELF GOD WHEN HE SAID "BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM." [that's why they wanted to kill Him: they thought He was committing blasphemy], and "passed right through them" without them seeing HIM [edit]! How would He do that unless He became the invisible Holy Ghost?

Jhn 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. [ see www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/8/58.html ]

Jhn 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn008.html#58

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Jesus said to pray to 'Our' Father.

Doesn't that mean that God is our Father as much as God is Jesus' Father?

of course!

Luk 11:2 — And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

2Cr 1:2 Grace [be] to you and peace from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Luk/11/2.html

2Cr 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

2Cr 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

2Cr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

2Cr 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,

2Cr 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty......

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Luk/11/2.html

Jesus is the Good Shepherd of Ezekiel 34 . I have been trying to get back on http://blueletterbible.org to search out another scripture for you since I found the above, but for some reason, I just can't get it to work. My computer is giving me fits. However, the whole purpose of Jesus' coming was to bring us back to Himself, the Father.

President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-12-16   13:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"....Here is, 1. Samson’s birth. The woman that had been long barren bore a son, according to the promise; for no word of God shall fall to the ground. Hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? 2. His name, Samson, has been derived by some, from Shemesh, the sun, turned into a diminutive, sol exiguus—the sun in miniature, perhaps because, being born like Moses to be a deliverer, he was like him exceedingly fair, his face shone like a little sun; or his parents so named him in remembrance of the shining countenance of that man of God who brought them the notice of him; though they knew not his name, yet thus, now that his sayings had come to pass, they did him honour. A little sun, because a Nazarite born (for the Nazarites were as rubies and sapphires, Lam. 4:7, and because of his great strength. The sun is compared to a strong man Ps. 19:5); why should not a strong man then be compared to the sun when he goes forth in his strength? A little sun, because the glory of, and a light to, his people Israel, a type of Christ, the Sun of righteousness...." - Matthew Henry

I didn't notice this until afterward.

Interesting about the "strong man", as Christ BOUND THE STRONG MAN on His first coming:

Matthew 12:29, Mark 3:27, Revelation 20:2.

President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-12-16   13:44:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sun worship hasn't ever been directly responsible for mass murder, lion feedings, or crucifixion ...

The Roman's claim to have Christianized, is more accurately termed plagiarized or paganized because that is what they actually did. Catholicism and most other so-called Christian religious cults are practicing sun worship whether the adherents recognize it or not.

"We are much beholden to Machiavelli and others, that write what men do, and not what they ought to do." --- Francis Bacon

noone222  posted on  2007-12-16   16:33:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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