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Title: Local lawmakers diverge on climate change
Source: AMERICAN-STATESMAN
URL Source: http://www.statesman.com/news/conte ... s/local/12/17/1217climate.html
Published: Dec 17, 2007
Author: Jason Embry
Post Date: 2007-12-17 10:32:21 by richard9151
Keywords: None
Views: 2152
Comments: 74

Partisan split in congressional delegation reflects national division.

Monday, December 17, 2007

WASHINGTON — A split among Austin-area members of Congress about the need for sweeping legislation to combat global warming reflects a national divide between Democrats and Republicans.

And the passage last week of an energy bill in the Senate — stripped of key Democrat-backed provisions that had threatened to trigger a White House veto — served to underscore that disagreement.

Among Texas' two senators and four members of the U.S. House who represent Travis, Williamson and Hays counties, Rep. Lloyd Doggett, the only Democrat, is also the only one who speaks forcefully about the need for swift congressional action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Greenhouse gases contribute to global warming and other forms of climate change.

"We need action yesterday," Doggett said. "It's long-overdue on all fronts."

Republicans who represent the area in the House and Senate discuss global warming in less urgent terms. They objected to the earlier version of the energy package, which aimed to reduce global warming and paid for some of those efforts with higher taxes on oil and gas companies.The bill passed the House but stalled in the Senate until the taxes were removed.

"We all know those taxes are not going to be absorbed by oil companies but ultimately passed along to consumers," said U.S. Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas.

Cornyn's fellow senator from Texas, Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison, also voiced concerns about a provision requiring electric companies to get 15 percent of their electricity from renewable sources by 2020. Southern electric companies in particular said they could not get enough affordable power to meet that mandate. That's not a problem in Austin, which plans to generate 30 percent of its power from renewable sources, primarily from wind farms in West Texas, by that date.

"We're in great shape," said Austin Energy spokesman Ed Clark.

Once Senate leaders removed the taxes on oil companies and the renewable electricity requirements, the energy bill passed the Senate 86-8 late last week. Cornyn and Hutchison voted for it.

The key provision remains the requirement to increase fuel economy standards by 40 percent for cars and light trucks, including sport-utility vehicles, from an industry average of 25 miles per gallon today to 35 miles per gallon by 2020. It would be the first such increase since 1975.

The legislation is headed for the floor of the House this week, where it's likely to get a better reception. Republican Reps. Lamar Smith of San Antonio, John Carter of Round Rock and Michael McCaul of Austin all voted against the earlier version of the bill.

Their staffs would not say Friday how they would vote on the stripped-down version, which the White House has signaled that President Bush would sign.

Doggett hailed the earlier version of the energy package, which, unlike the current one, included a tax credit for plug-in hybrid cars and tightened the requirements that businesses must meet to receive biodiesel tax credits.

"Raising vehicle fuel economy standards for the first time in 32 years means this remains a worthy bill," Doggett said after the Senate vote last week. "But I am already seeking other legislative ways of getting approval for the plug-in hybrid and biodiesel provisions that Republican Senate opposition has obstructed."

The divide within Austin's congressional delegation looks much like one that has surfaced in numerous national polls over the last year. A CBS News-New York Times poll in April found that Democrats were more than twice as likely as Republicans to describe global warming as a "very serious problem" that should be one of the government's highest priorities.

Global warming is caused at least in part by the emission of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. Those gases — primarily carbon dioxide — come largely from human-made sources, including industry, electric power production and automobiles.

Though Doggett speaks emphatically about the need for higher fuel economy standards and mandatory reductions in greenhouse gases, his Republican colleagues are far more muted.

Smith and McCaul co-sponsored Doggett's legislation to provide tax credits for the purchase of plug-in hybrid cars and speak of the need to develop alternative forms of energy, such as solar power.

Yet the House bill they voted against included a plug-in credit and $9 billion in tax incentives for the production of electricity from renewable sources.

"We still get 95 percent of our energy from oil and gas, and it completely ignored doing anything for the oil and gas industry, which is going to hurt Texas and hurt the country," Smith said.

Added McCaul: "I voted for most of the alternative energy legislation that's in this bill at the committee level. My constituents in Austin support alternative energy, as do I. The concern I had with this bill is that it really didn't do enough to bring down the price of gas at the pump."

McCaul said the legislation would not lower gas prices because it would not increase the domestic energy supply. Democrats say the higher fuel standards will save money for consumers at the gas pump.

Though Congress worked and reworked the details of the energy package in 2007, legislation that has not reached the floor of the Senate takes more direct aim at global warming.

A bill sponsored by Sens. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., and John Warner, R-Va., would create a so-called cap-and-trade system, in which emissions from the electric power, transportation and manufacturing sectors would be cut to 2005 levels by 2012. Then they would have to keep falling, down to 70 percent below 2005 emission levels, by 2050.

Businesses would receive a certain number of allowances for a certain level of emissions and could sell them to other businesses if they did not need them all.

"Environmentally, the cap is the key piece," said Dan Lashof of the Natural Resources Defense Council, an environmental advocacy group. "What the cap does is limit the total amount of global warming pollution that could be put into the atmosphere. That's really the fundamental driver of investment in new technology that's needed to get us on the path of steadily reducing emissions."

Of lawmakers who represent the Austin area in Congress, Doggett is the only one who has called for mandatory emissions caps. He called a cap-and-trade program the "next major step that we need to take."

Though many environmental groups have praised the Lieberman-Warner proposal as a good first step, some have said it does not reduce emissions aggressively enough.

But Frank Maisano, a spokesman for utilities, refineries and wind developers, said the cost of complying with the reductions called for in cap-and-trade proposals could hit Texas particularly hard.

"Texas is in a unique position in that they provide energy for the rest of the country," he said. "So any burdens that are added to energy and the cost of energy will be felt especially hard in Texas because Texas does the energy bidding for much of the rest of the country."

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#1. To: richard9151, *Agriculture-Environment* (#0)

Greenhouse gases contribute to global warming and other forms of climate change.

No, they don't.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-12-17   10:37:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: farmfriend (#1)

No, they don't.

BTW, how do you KNOW this to be true?

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-12-17   17:51:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: FormerLurker (#5)

BTW, how do you KNOW this to be true?

Because I am in direct contact with researchers doing studies and writing papers. I see the science, not the politics. The biggest clue is that CO2 follows temperature.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-12-17   18:01:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: farmfriend (#7)

Because I am in direct contact with researchers doing studies and writing papers

Provide the links.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-12-17   18:25:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: FormerLurker (#9)

Provide the links.

Working on links. Have only one so far but here is what I got from Tim Ball. He was such a sweetheart to respond to my request.

You are correct. More important, the estimates of human production are from the UN based on data individual countries give them and in my opinion very questionable. For example, we know what Germany did with numbers for the carbon trading market. Here is a table showing the range of estimates of CO2 emissions;

CO2 EMISSIONS :
Respiration Humans, Animals, Phytoplankton 43.5 - 52 Gt C/ year
Ocean Outgassing (Tropical Areas) 90 - 100 Gt C/year
Volcanos, Soil degassing 0.5 - 2 Gt C/ year
Soil Bacteria, Decomposition 50 - 60 Gt C/ year
Forest cutting, Forest fires 0.6 - 2.6 Gt C/year
Anthropogenic emissions (2005) 7.5 - 7.5 Gt C/year
TOTAL 192 to 224 Gt C/ year

The human number of 7.5 Gt C/year is a gross estimate. You can reduce it by half if the amount we remove mainly through agriculture is deducted. Why aren't we paying the farmers for this 50% sequestering? Also note the gross human production is less than the error of the estimate for three sources; Respiration etc, Oceans, and soil.

Here is the one link I have so far, from a "warmer" site no less.

http://www.gcrio.org/ipcc/qa/05.html

Carbon dioxide is released to the atmosphere by a variety of sources, and over 95% percent of these emissions would occur even if human beings were not present on Earth. For example, the natural decay of organic material in forests and grasslands, such as dead trees, results in the release of about 220 billion tons of carbon dioxide every year. But these natural sources are nearly balanced by physical and biological processes, called natural sinks, which remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. For example, some carbon dioxide dissolves in sea water, and some is removed by plants as they grow.

As a result of this natural balance, carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere would have changed little if human activities had not added an amount every year. This addition, presently about 3% of annual natural emissions, is sufficient to exceed the balancing effect of sinks. As a result, carbon dioxide has gradually accumulated in the atmosphere, until at present, its concentration is 30% above pre- industrial levels.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-12-17   18:44:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: farmfriend (#10)

But these natural sources are nearly balanced by physical and biological processes, called natural sinks, which remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. For example, some carbon dioxide dissolves in sea water, and some is removed by plants as they grow.

So are you going to admit that you are wrong? Your very own "evidence" contradicts your claim, where it states that "sea water" is a natural sink, whereas you stated the oceans were the biggest SOURCE of CO2..

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-12-17   19:15:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: FormerLurker (#11)

So are you going to admit that you are wrong? Your very own "evidence" contradicts your claim, where it states that "sea water" is a natural sink, whereas you stated the oceans were the biggest SOURCE of CO2..

Sigh, will you believe NASA then?

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/CarbonCycle/carbon_cycle3.html

In the oceans, carbon dioxide exchange is largely controlled by sea surface temperatures, circulating currents, and by the biological processes of photosynthesis and respiration. carbon dioxide can dissolve easily into the ocean and the amount of carbon dioxide that the ocean can hold depends on ocean temperature and the amount of carbon dioxide already present. Cold ocean temperatures favor the uptake of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere whereas warm temperatures can cause the ocean surface to release carbon dioxide. Cold, downward moving currents such as those that occur over the North Atlantic absorb carbon dioxide and transfer it to the deep ocean. Upward moving currents such as those in the tropics bring carbon dioxide up from depth and release it to the atmosphere.

How about the NOAA? Will you believe them?

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/releases2003/oct03/noaa03- 131.html

RELEASE OF CARBON DIOXIDE FROM THE EQUATORIAL PACIFIC OCEAN INTENSIFIED DURING THE 1990S

A recent study conducted by oceanographers Taro Takahashi and Stewart Sutherland from Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory (LDEO) and Richard Feely and Cathy Cosca from the NOAA Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory (PMEL) indicates the partial pressure of CO2 (pCO2) measured in surface waters dramatically changed after the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) phase shift in the Pacific Ocean that occurred around 1990.

The atmosphere and the oceans carry on an exchange of carbon dioxide (CO2), a major greenhouse gas. This is particularly significant in the equatorial Pacific Ocean because it is one of the most important yet highly variable natural source areas for the emission of CO2 to the atmosphere.

“The results of our study show that the intensity of CO2 release from the western equatorial Pacific has increased during the past decade. By 2001, this reduced the global ocean uptake – about 2 billion tons of carbon a year – by about 2.5 percent, ” said Takahashi who directed the study that provides a clearer picture of the importance of PDO events on the Earth’s carbon cycle. “This is on top of the CO2 emission and absorption fluctuations seen between El Niño and La Niña years, which occur on shorter timescales.”

And I must note that you have not refuted my facts at all but resorted to personal attacks on me and Tim. Sad.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-12-17   20:06:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: farmfriend (#14)

And I must note that you have not refuted my facts at all but resorted to personal attacks on me and Tim. Sad.

And I must also note that Tim is a paid advocate (aka "shill") for the oil and gas companies. Really sad that you would be one of them too.

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-12-17   20:43:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#18. To: FormerLurker (#16) (Edited)

And I must also note that Tim is a paid advocate (aka "shill") for the oil and gas companies. Really sad that you would be one of them too.

Sorry dear, that dog won't hunt. I'm too well known for that. I was a paid shill at one time but not for oil or anything close to that. I'm sure there are half a dozen people on this forum that could tell you who I worked for. My farmfriend handle is your first clue. I've actually lobbied for biofuels with the American Corn Growers Association though I wasn't employed by them.

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