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Title: Bushbots and Jew-Bashers Are More Alike Than Either Would Care to Admit
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Published: Jun 14, 2005
Author: Arator
Post Date: 2005-06-15 00:37:46 by Arator
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Keywords: Jew-Bashers, Bushbots, Either
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Both Bushbots and Jew-Bashers desperately crave the clarity (and unreality) of a black and white, fairy-tale-like world. Both Bushbots and Jew-Bashers think they (and their kind) are intrinsically good while some alien other (and their kind) are intrinsically evil. Both Bushbots and Jew-Bashers are blind to the evil they (and their kind) do. Both Bushbots and Jew-Bashers are equally blind to the good that those they deem evil do and/or intrinsically possess because they are human beings, just like Bushbots and Jew-Bashers are. Both Bushbots and Jew-Bashers believe the world would be a better place if those they deem intrinsically evil were collectively forced to be and live just like them. They think the answer to evil is to effectively extinguish the alien other's identity and existance. Both Bushbots and Jew-Bashers would deny to an alien other fundamental aspects of what it means to be human -- aspects they would never think of giving up themselves. Both Bushbots and Jew-Bashers lack humility and are oblivious to their own hypocrisies, particularly how much alike they each are to each other. Bushbots hate Jew-Bashers because they project their own evil into a different alien other. Jew-Bashers hate Bushbots for the same reason. Those whose minds have not been bent by the Bushbots' and Jew-Bashers' perverse ways of thinking and relating to their fellow man know that good and evil is the common possession of all men. It's locus does not reside in any single race, culture, or way of life. On the contrary, all men, races, cultures, and ways of life are agrieved by evil and elevated by good. Non-Bushbots and non-Jew-Bashers also know that extinguishing another's identity by force and denying to them fundamental aspects of our common humanity can never promote the good but always compounds evil with even grosser evil. It may even set off a vicious cycle of evil repaying evil that can only end in our mutual anihilation, mutual dehumanization, and, ultimately, a shared apocolypse. So, Bushbots and Jew-Bashers, quit mimicking each other's worst derangements thinking that you oppose them. The fact that you happen to pick different alien others to subjegate and dehumanize doesn't make you dissimilar. It makes you more alike than either of you would probably care to admit.
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#1. To: Zipporah, christine, don, OKCSubmariner, Flintlock, Jethro Tull, Diana, robin, h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t, lodwick, Mekons4, *Restore the Republic* (#0)
I hate hypocrites. ;^)
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
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Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
To paraphrase Israel Shahak; "Jewish Cheauvinism and Anti-Semitism must be fought simultaneously." If you turn a blind eye to the one, don't expect the other to get better.
I see a lot of Bush-bots out there, but very few "Jew" bashers. When did legitimate criticism turn into bashing anyway? I guess some people won't want to go to heaven because they will accuse Jesus of sending the "Jews" to hell thus making him a "Jew" basher.
God is always good!
It didn't. Some Jews merit criticism. Some Jews have done evil and ought to be called out on it. Criticism focused on some Jews for evils they do (as opposed to all Jews as Jews) is certainly legitimate and not bashing. Posts that attribute to all Jews the evil of some, or that fail to make the kind of basic distinctions one would naturally make when posting about evils done by those within one's own ethnicity/religion/culture, I deem to be Jew-bashing. I've read posts like that. Haven't you?
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
Okay question: Can't the good ones who are tired of being caught up in the rhetorical crossfire just band together and make the bad ones relenquish control of US foriegn policy that is unconditionally favorable to Israel, domestic policy that is unconditionally favorable to Mexico and quit using their disporportionately large presence in media to pitch cultural poison 24x7?
I think what you are saying here would be that it is ok to criticise the Rothchild Family and Arael Sharon because they are WICKED but not simply because they are Jews. Is that the gist of your message? ;c)
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What I personally find offensive among the Jew obssessors and their twisted cousins, the "Illuminati" believers, is basically everything I know, all the books I have read, all the great minds and articulate theories and meticulous scholarship on the past can be thrown into a trash can and the vast human experience throughout recorded history is reduced to the ramblings of paranoid, half literate, pamphleteers. Sorry. I don't take them seriously and I have no time for them.
Right on comments, A. Did you add a blind allegiance to their politics and a willingness to smear those who might disagree? I have respect for neither.
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Rambling, run-on sentence, and defensive in its deception...
Sorry. I don't take them seriously and I have no time for them. Nice try ... your pro-Israeli rant should be laughed off the board. Your reading materials will include more pertinent information once you enter the 4th grade and you will no longer be reduced to the ramblings of a half literate pamphleteer. People on this board speak openly about their views, not in secret, like the two groups mentioned in your post. Attacking those that post information critical of Jews, Masonics or others operating in secret to destroy our society from within, should be seen as the shills they really are. What you find personally offensive should be the reflection you see in the mirror !
It's gonna get worse before it gets "worser" !
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Starting right here -- Richard W.
Get back to me when American Rabbis start collectively and massively calling for the ouster of PNAC/AIPAC from Washington, DC. And, having American Rabbis disown and disavow the ADL, ACLU, NAACP, SPLC, and Hollywood would be a nice development as well. And I would add "get back to me when American Jews cease voting as a unified block for the Democratic party" but given there is really no difference between Republican and Democrats, that just matter any more. I understand your effort (and, BTW, Coral Snake's attempt) to run damage control for Jews but American Jews need to get thier own house in order before griping about bad press or public relation problems. The ire and attention of conservative America First Jews--and those who would defend them--should be turned but in one direction: Israel and its US agents AND the legion of liberal Jews who have and are really hurting America from within.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
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A true poster child for what's wrong with America.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Add mindless, Muslim/Arab/Raghead of any stripe, bashers to the list also. While I acknowledge that there's allot to legitimately criticize here, the "Nuke Mecca/the Ragheads/etc, over 9/11" crowd is just as vile as the groups you mention above and just as willing to inflict any kind of hardship or damage on innocent people they deem to be "inferior" If they are to be believed, we have the option, if not the moral duty, to make a bunch of people who've never harmed us as miserable as we see fit. I recently heard a minister say what while God made these people also, that he doesn't care for them as he does other humans. He didn't bother with any other scriptural justification.. Just relegated them to sub-human status and implied that if you harm them, you'll get a heavenly high five for your effort..
Lieberman is a neocon NWO globalist first. That's his loyalty. Everything else he says and does is just noise for the sheepsters. Richard W.
This is a very good point. Hannitized ditto-heads and the Savage Nation continually bark at the Islamo-fascist ghost, which incites their 12 and 13 year old listening audience unnecessarily.
It's gonna get worse before it gets "worser" !
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Every snake in the pit is dangerous. Richard W.
No I didn't, but I'm glad you did. Two festering peas in a rotten pod, they are. It's remarkable how much they have in common.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
Zionists and Bushbots. You got that right.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Bushbots approve of the Zionist agenda and Jew-Bashers disapprove of the Zionist agenda: the premisses are not the same; therefore, the conclusion that both groups are the same is false.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
who needs logic when you've got emotionally based drivel? excellent point, by the way.
Whenever people ask me, 'hey, you know what you should do? I always say 'What? Buy a monkey?'
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hey, he's waiting for the ADL to get back to him.;-)
Whenever people ask me, 'hey, you know what you should do? I always say 'What? Buy a monkey?'
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This first one sums it up. There is an intellectual laziness in not specifically targeting which Bushbots and which Jews are causing one problem or another. For a completely different example, there are Americans of Mexican descent who are against open borders and amnesty. To whitewash all Latinos as being for amnesty is inaccurate and does a great disservice to those Latinos who wish to preserve our nation. Or, there are immigrants here, who arrived legally and are against illegal immigration. It would be wrong to cast aspersions on all immigrants. Or, a more specific example: Among the Bushbots are the paid shills, they are somewhat like the rabid Zionists. But most Bushbots are just deaf, dumb, slumbering sheeple. Too busy with their daily lives to dig for the real information available from alternative and foreign news sources. It is evident that some of the paid shills are just as deaf and dumb, but eager to be paid. It is not that difficult to discern which is which. And it is certainly more accurate and just to take the time to find out. Life is much more complex than simply black and white.
Honestly, some of the rabid semites are just as bad as the "anti-semites" they claim to oppose. No people is immune from mindless haters. We've got ours, they have theirs. The difference seems to be: You're not supposed to mention the plank in their eye. It's considered poor form, for some reason I haven't quite figured out.
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Bushbots & Jewbashers could become forces for positive change if they were to be more exact and factual in their charges. Both wish to be taken seriously and their warnings heeded, and both do occasionally contribute nuggets of fact. But those nuggets are so often buried in screeds, rants and diatribes that the effort involved to listen to what the Bushbot or Jewbasher says and to 'pan out' those nuggets of information is prohibitive. i.e. most rational people who might be persuaded by the nugget of fact a Bushbot or Jewbasher might offer, won't wade through the pile of manure that comes with it, and the 'bots n 'bashers thereby deprive themselves of the credibility they claim. To be persusive, the listeners/readers point of view must be understood (not simply dismissed) and then an effective course of action must be suggested. But merely labelling one's opposition as commie, liberal, paleocon, fundie, kike, zionist, illuminati, etc ad infinitum does not help to formulate an effective course of action (well, not to most rational people anyway). It only serves to demonize the opposition. But then if they actually valued credibility and persuasion, they wouldn't be "bots n bashers", now would they.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
There are decent Jews, perhaps even a majority. But Zionism could not exist without Judiasm. And if decent Jews cannot find the courage to destroy Zionism, Judaism will lose its validity as a religion, and the mythical, six- million martyrs of the holocaust may well become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Zionism is America's form of national suicide, is her icolatry, is her insanity. Jewish supremacy is its cult.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
True. But persuasion of the opposition may or may not have anything to do with victory. And some people are best persuaded by banging them on the head with a stick. Or so I hear from sobbing European graduate students put on trial for thought crimes.
Fine-grain classification and sorting are not costless exercises.
Also, polarization is a precondition for revolution. The broad brush is a way to force the undecided middle to choose sides.
This is my sentiment exactly. In my postings on this topic, I have made a conscious effort not to "jew bash." My criticism is of the STATE OF ISRAEL and the ZIONIST doctrine. I do not malign the jewish people. I do not malign JUDAISM. As a matter of fact, nearly all of my postings have been articles and comments making the distinction between ZIONISM and JUDAISM. My emphasis has always been on the political and foreign policy influence the STATE of Israel and the IsraelFirsters have within our government. Never once have I been critical of the jewish religion. Still, I have been called a stormfronter, neo-nazi, racist, jew hater, and other names just because I dare to voice my opinion on this issue and because I have provided a website in which people are free to discuss it.
Beating a political stake in your black heart will be the fulfillment of my life ... ," ~Cindy Sheehan to Bush
Still, I have been called a stormfronter, neo-nazi, racist, jew hater, and other names just because I dare to voice my opinion on this issue and because I have provided a website in which people are free to discuss it. Yep and Yep. Almost the only website in which people are free to discuss it.
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#2. To: itsalmosttoolate, noone22, 1776, Zoroaster (#1)
#3. To: Arator (#1)
I hate hypocrites. ;^)
#4. To: Arator (#1)
#5. To: RickyJ (#4)
When did legitimate criticism turn into bashing anyway?
#6. To: Arator (#5)
Posts that attribute to all Jews the evil of some, or that fail to make the kind of basic distinctions one would naturally make when posting about evils done by those within one's own ethnicity/religion/culture, I deem to be Jew-bashing.
#7. To: Arator (#5)
Elapidae, Micrurus tenere
#8. To: Arator (#0)
#9. To: Arator (#1)
#10. To: Arator (#1)
#11. To: Burkeman1 (#9)
#12. To: toddbrendanfahey (#11)
What I personally find offensive among the Jew obssessors and their twisted cousins, the "Illuminati" believers, is basically everything I know, all the books I have read, all the great minds and articulate theories and meticulous scholarship on the past can be thrown into a trash can and the vast human experience throughout recorded history is reduced to the ramblings of paranoid, half literate, pamphleteers.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
#13. To: Burkeman1 (#9)
What I personally find offensive among the Jew obssessors and their twisted cousins, the "Illuminati" believers, is basically everything I know, all the books I have read, all the great minds and articulate theories and meticulous scholarship on the past can be thrown into a trash can and the vast human experience throughout recorded history is reduced to the ramblings of paranoid, half literate, pamphleteers.
#14. To: Eoghan (#12)
#15. To: toddbrendanfahey (#8)
the dual-allegiance Israel-first moles within "our government" are prevalent and wholly criminal.
#16. To: Arator, christine, zipporah, Zoroaster (#0)
#17. To: Arete (#15)
#18. To: Arete (#15)
#19. To: Arator (#0)
Comments?
#20. To: toddbrendanfahey (#17)
#21. To: Jhoffa_ (#19)
Add mindless, Muslim/Arab/Raghead of any stripe, bashers to the list also.
#22. To: Arete (#20)
#23. To: toddbrendanfahey (#22)
several dozen persons who strike me as more dangerous
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
Did you add a blind allegiance to their politics and a willingness to smear those who might disagree? I have respect for neither.
#25. To: Arator, christine, zipporah, Zoroaster, (#24)
Two festering peas in a rotten pod, they are.
#26. To: wbales (#25)
#27. To: Zoroaster, (#26)
#28. To: Arator (#8)
#29. To: toddbrendanfahey (#28)
#30. To: All (#28)
#31. To: Arator (#0)
Both Bushbots and Jew-Bashers desperately crave the clarity (and unreality) of a black and white, fairy-tale-like world.
Among American Jewry, there are those who believe America has no business in the Middle East. There are some who have no opinion, who are not religious and have no interest in politics whatsoever. Others are conflicted, sometimes siding with the Zionists, sometimes not. And then there are the rabid Zionists who blindly support the fringe elements of the Likud party and are willing to perform any small service to support their ends. Because the MSM mostly supports the rabid Zionist positions, more of the general population, gentile and jew, are inclined to take these same Zionist positions. Most do not even realize that they are taking a radical view, they are so brainwashed. The propaganda from MSM, Hollywood and the govt is working.
#32. To: toddbrendanfahey (#30)
#33. To: Jhoffa_ (#32)
#34. To: Arator (#0)
#35. To: Jhoffa_, robin, toddbrendanfahey (#32)
#36. To: Starwind (#34)
To be persusive, the listeners/readers point of view must be understood (not simply dismissed) and then an effective course of action must be suggested.
We'll split the threads. You can have chem trails, 911, and Bildeberg. I want gold bugs and racists.
#37. To: Arator (#0)
We'll split the threads. You can have chem trails, 911, and Bildeberg. I want gold bugs and racists.
#38. To: Arator (#0)
We'll split the threads. You can have chem trails, 911, and Bildeberg. I want gold bugs and racists.
#39. To: toddbrendanfahey, Arator, Zoroaster (#30)
Um...there's a huge chasm between being a "Jew-basher" and being a strident foe of the kind of massive "foreign aid" that the taxpayer is forced to give to Israel yearly, and also of those who [know] that the dual-allegiance Israel- first moles within "our government" are prevalent and wholly criminal.
#40. To: christine (#39)
This is my sentiment exactly. In my postings on this topic, I have made a conscious effort not to "jew bash." My criticism is of the STATE OF ISRAEL and the ZIONIST doctrine. I do not malign the jewish people. I do not malign JUDAISM. As a matter of fact, nearly all of my postings have been articles and comments making the distinction between ZIONISM and JUDAISM. My emphasis has always been on the political and foreign policy influence the STATE of Israel and the IsraelFirsters have within our government. Never once have I been critical of the jewish religion.
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