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Title: Bushbots and Jew-Bashers Are More Alike Than Either Would Care to Admit
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Published: Jun 14, 2005
Author: Arator
Post Date: 2005-06-15 00:37:46 by Arator
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Keywords: Jew-Bashers, Bushbots, Either
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Both Bushbots and Jew-Bashers desperately crave the clarity (and unreality) of a black and white, fairy-tale-like world. Both Bushbots and Jew-Bashers think they (and their kind) are intrinsically good while some alien other (and their kind) are intrinsically evil. Both Bushbots and Jew-Bashers are blind to the evil they (and their kind) do. Both Bushbots and Jew-Bashers are equally blind to the good that those they deem evil do and/or intrinsically possess because they are human beings, just like Bushbots and Jew-Bashers are. Both Bushbots and Jew-Bashers believe the world would be a better place if those they deem intrinsically evil were collectively forced to be and live just like them. They think the answer to evil is to effectively extinguish the alien other's identity and existance. Both Bushbots and Jew-Bashers would deny to an alien other fundamental aspects of what it means to be human -- aspects they would never think of giving up themselves. Both Bushbots and Jew-Bashers lack humility and are oblivious to their own hypocrisies, particularly how much alike they each are to each other. Bushbots hate Jew-Bashers because they project their own evil into a different alien other. Jew-Bashers hate Bushbots for the same reason. Those whose minds have not been bent by the Bushbots' and Jew-Bashers' perverse ways of thinking and relating to their fellow man know that good and evil is the common possession of all men. It's locus does not reside in any single race, culture, or way of life. On the contrary, all men, races, cultures, and ways of life are agrieved by evil and elevated by good. Non-Bushbots and non-Jew-Bashers also know that extinguishing another's identity by force and denying to them fundamental aspects of our common humanity can never promote the good but always compounds evil with even grosser evil. It may even set off a vicious cycle of evil repaying evil that can only end in our mutual anihilation, mutual dehumanization, and, ultimately, a shared apocolypse. So, Bushbots and Jew-Bashers, quit mimicking each other's worst derangements thinking that you oppose them. The fact that you happen to pick different alien others to subjegate and dehumanize doesn't make you dissimilar. It makes you more alike than either of you would probably care to admit.
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I hate hypocrites. ;^)
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To paraphrase Israel Shahak; "Jewish Cheauvinism and Anti-Semitism must be fought simultaneously." If you turn a blind eye to the one, don't expect the other to get better.
I see a lot of Bush-bots out there, but very few "Jew" bashers. When did legitimate criticism turn into bashing anyway? I guess some people won't want to go to heaven because they will accuse Jesus of sending the "Jews" to hell thus making him a "Jew" basher.
God is always good!
It didn't. Some Jews merit criticism. Some Jews have done evil and ought to be called out on it. Criticism focused on some Jews for evils they do (as opposed to all Jews as Jews) is certainly legitimate and not bashing. Posts that attribute to all Jews the evil of some, or that fail to make the kind of basic distinctions one would naturally make when posting about evils done by those within one's own ethnicity/religion/culture, I deem to be Jew-bashing. I've read posts like that. Haven't you?
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Okay question: Can't the good ones who are tired of being caught up in the rhetorical crossfire just band together and make the bad ones relenquish control of US foriegn policy that is unconditionally favorable to Israel, domestic policy that is unconditionally favorable to Mexico and quit using their disporportionately large presence in media to pitch cultural poison 24x7?
I think what you are saying here would be that it is ok to criticise the Rothchild Family and Arael Sharon because they are WICKED but not simply because they are Jews. Is that the gist of your message? ;c)
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What I personally find offensive among the Jew obssessors and their twisted cousins, the "Illuminati" believers, is basically everything I know, all the books I have read, all the great minds and articulate theories and meticulous scholarship on the past can be thrown into a trash can and the vast human experience throughout recorded history is reduced to the ramblings of paranoid, half literate, pamphleteers. Sorry. I don't take them seriously and I have no time for them.
Right on comments, A. Did you add a blind allegiance to their politics and a willingness to smear those who might disagree? I have respect for neither.
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Rambling, run-on sentence, and defensive in its deception...
Sorry. I don't take them seriously and I have no time for them. Nice try ... your pro-Israeli rant should be laughed off the board. Your reading materials will include more pertinent information once you enter the 4th grade and you will no longer be reduced to the ramblings of a half literate pamphleteer. People on this board speak openly about their views, not in secret, like the two groups mentioned in your post. Attacking those that post information critical of Jews, Masonics or others operating in secret to destroy our society from within, should be seen as the shills they really are. What you find personally offensive should be the reflection you see in the mirror !
It's gonna get worse before it gets "worser" !
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Starting right here -- Richard W.
Get back to me when American Rabbis start collectively and massively calling for the ouster of PNAC/AIPAC from Washington, DC. And, having American Rabbis disown and disavow the ADL, ACLU, NAACP, SPLC, and Hollywood would be a nice development as well. And I would add "get back to me when American Jews cease voting as a unified block for the Democratic party" but given there is really no difference between Republican and Democrats, that just matter any more. I understand your effort (and, BTW, Coral Snake's attempt) to run damage control for Jews but American Jews need to get thier own house in order before griping about bad press or public relation problems. The ire and attention of conservative America First Jews--and those who would defend them--should be turned but in one direction: Israel and its US agents AND the legion of liberal Jews who have and are really hurting America from within.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
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A true poster child for what's wrong with America.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Add mindless, Muslim/Arab/Raghead of any stripe, bashers to the list also. While I acknowledge that there's allot to legitimately criticize here, the "Nuke Mecca/the Ragheads/etc, over 9/11" crowd is just as vile as the groups you mention above and just as willing to inflict any kind of hardship or damage on innocent people they deem to be "inferior" If they are to be believed, we have the option, if not the moral duty, to make a bunch of people who've never harmed us as miserable as we see fit. I recently heard a minister say what while God made these people also, that he doesn't care for them as he does other humans. He didn't bother with any other scriptural justification.. Just relegated them to sub-human status and implied that if you harm them, you'll get a heavenly high five for your effort..
Lieberman is a neocon NWO globalist first. That's his loyalty. Everything else he says and does is just noise for the sheepsters. Richard W.
This is a very good point. Hannitized ditto-heads and the Savage Nation continually bark at the Islamo-fascist ghost, which incites their 12 and 13 year old listening audience unnecessarily.
It's gonna get worse before it gets "worser" !
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Every snake in the pit is dangerous. Richard W.
No I didn't, but I'm glad you did. Two festering peas in a rotten pod, they are. It's remarkable how much they have in common.
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Zionists and Bushbots. You got that right.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Bushbots approve of the Zionist agenda and Jew-Bashers disapprove of the Zionist agenda: the premisses are not the same; therefore, the conclusion that both groups are the same is false.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
who needs logic when you've got emotionally based drivel? excellent point, by the way.
Whenever people ask me, 'hey, you know what you should do? I always say 'What? Buy a monkey?'
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hey, he's waiting for the ADL to get back to him.;-)
Whenever people ask me, 'hey, you know what you should do? I always say 'What? Buy a monkey?'
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This first one sums it up. There is an intellectual laziness in not specifically targeting which Bushbots and which Jews are causing one problem or another. For a completely different example, there are Americans of Mexican descent who are against open borders and amnesty. To whitewash all Latinos as being for amnesty is inaccurate and does a great disservice to those Latinos who wish to preserve our nation. Or, there are immigrants here, who arrived legally and are against illegal immigration. It would be wrong to cast aspersions on all immigrants. Or, a more specific example: Among the Bushbots are the paid shills, they are somewhat like the rabid Zionists. But most Bushbots are just deaf, dumb, slumbering sheeple. Too busy with their daily lives to dig for the real information available from alternative and foreign news sources. It is evident that some of the paid shills are just as deaf and dumb, but eager to be paid. It is not that difficult to discern which is which. And it is certainly more accurate and just to take the time to find out. Life is much more complex than simply black and white.
Honestly, some of the rabid semites are just as bad as the "anti-semites" they claim to oppose. No people is immune from mindless haters. We've got ours, they have theirs. The difference seems to be: You're not supposed to mention the plank in their eye. It's considered poor form, for some reason I haven't quite figured out.
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Bushbots & Jewbashers could become forces for positive change if they were to be more exact and factual in their charges. Both wish to be taken seriously and their warnings heeded, and both do occasionally contribute nuggets of fact. But those nuggets are so often buried in screeds, rants and diatribes that the effort involved to listen to what the Bushbot or Jewbasher says and to 'pan out' those nuggets of information is prohibitive. i.e. most rational people who might be persuaded by the nugget of fact a Bushbot or Jewbasher might offer, won't wade through the pile of manure that comes with it, and the 'bots n 'bashers thereby deprive themselves of the credibility they claim. To be persusive, the listeners/readers point of view must be understood (not simply dismissed) and then an effective course of action must be suggested. But merely labelling one's opposition as commie, liberal, paleocon, fundie, kike, zionist, illuminati, etc ad infinitum does not help to formulate an effective course of action (well, not to most rational people anyway). It only serves to demonize the opposition. But then if they actually valued credibility and persuasion, they wouldn't be "bots n bashers", now would they.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
There are decent Jews, perhaps even a majority. But Zionism could not exist without Judiasm. And if decent Jews cannot find the courage to destroy Zionism, Judaism will lose its validity as a religion, and the mythical, six- million martyrs of the holocaust may well become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Zionism is America's form of national suicide, is her icolatry, is her insanity. Jewish supremacy is its cult.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
True. But persuasion of the opposition may or may not have anything to do with victory. And some people are best persuaded by banging them on the head with a stick. Or so I hear from sobbing European graduate students put on trial for thought crimes.
Fine-grain classification and sorting are not costless exercises.
Also, polarization is a precondition for revolution. The broad brush is a way to force the undecided middle to choose sides.
This is my sentiment exactly. In my postings on this topic, I have made a conscious effort not to "jew bash." My criticism is of the STATE OF ISRAEL and the ZIONIST doctrine. I do not malign the jewish people. I do not malign JUDAISM. As a matter of fact, nearly all of my postings have been articles and comments making the distinction between ZIONISM and JUDAISM. My emphasis has always been on the political and foreign policy influence the STATE of Israel and the IsraelFirsters have within our government. Never once have I been critical of the jewish religion. Still, I have been called a stormfronter, neo-nazi, racist, jew hater, and other names just because I dare to voice my opinion on this issue and because I have provided a website in which people are free to discuss it.
Beating a political stake in your black heart will be the fulfillment of my life ... ," ~Cindy Sheehan to Bush
Still, I have been called a stormfronter, neo-nazi, racist, jew hater, and other names just because I dare to voice my opinion on this issue and because I have provided a website in which people are free to discuss it. Yep and Yep. Almost the only website in which people are free to discuss it.
And expanding on your most excellent observation: we know what to think of those attempting to equate the two.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
While I acknowledge that there's allot to legitimately criticize here, the "Nuke Mecca/the Ragheads/etc, over 9/11" crowd is just as vile as the groups you mention above and just as willing to inflict any kind of hardship or damage on innocent people they deem to be "inferior" If they are to be believed, we have the option, if not the moral duty, to make a bunch of people who've never harmed us as miserable as we see fit. very well said and that minister you mentioned? he's a minister of satan. he's going to hell, as Flint likes to say.
Beating a political stake in your black heart will be the fulfillment of my life ... ," ~Cindy Sheehan to Bush
That's what is really troubling them. Anyway, a good question for these types: Who are you more pissed off at: A) the "Jew-Bashers" OR B) those Jews engaging in the conduct, activites and behaviors that cause the "Jew-Bashing"
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Who are you more pissed off at: A) the "Jew-Bashers" OR B) those Jews engaging in the conduct, activites and behaviors that cause the "Jew-Bashing"
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
There won't be any victory if the opposition is misdefined or mistargeted. The problem is not with someone being Gentile, Jewish, Christian, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, etc. The problem is the ongoing lawbreaking, theft, terrorism, killing, manipulation, etc conducted by any number of worldwide governments, militaries, parties, lobbies, agencies, and treaty organizations (and I won't even start on the financial/economic dimensions). To mischaracterize the problem by accepting the labels assigned by opposing factions is to accept defeat. Terrorism ends when terrorists are eliminated. Thievery ends when thieves are eliminated. Lawbreaking ends when criminals are eliminated (or laws - lol). Should there be "victory" over kikes, fundies, rinos, commies, ragheads, zionists, neonazis, etc., there will still be defeat at the hands of terrorists, theives, and criminals. In the immortal words of that sage philosopher, Ins. Harry Callahan, "as long as the right heads get banged", agreed.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
Still, I have been called a stormfronter, neo-nazi, racist, jew hater, and other names just because I dare to voice my opinion on this issue and because I have provided a website in which people are free to discuss it. Agreed.. I am a Constitutionalist.. and of course the 1st amendment protects freedom of religion.. so if I were antijewish would that not be in direct contradiction to my values AS a constitutionalist? My concerns are political plain and simple. Uncritical support of any nation EVEN our own is ridiculous.. and defies logic.
Hmm not sure on this.. as politically these groups are in opposition politically
speaking.. if you are trying to say that they are alike in that their biases get
in the way of logical thought..then you have a point.
But what of biases that derive from logical thought?
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Being biased is "an inclination of temperament or outlook; especially : a personal and sometimes unreasoned judgment".. so therefore.. a conclusion based on logical thought wouldnt be considered being biased..
;) they've made us all criminals cuz there's so many of 'em-- unconstitutional statutes enacted by agencies, i might add.
Beating a political stake in your black heart will be the fulfillment of my life ... ," ~Cindy Sheehan to Bush
Tell that to people complaining about "Jew bashing".
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
Sorry. I don't take them seriously and I have no time for them. hmmm..would you consider Texe Marrs, author of numerous books on the topic including "Circle of Intrigue: The Hidden Inner Circle of the Global Illuminati Conspiracy" Book Description Cloaked in mystery and shrouded in secrecy, ten ruthless men comprise the "Inner Circle" of the Illuminati conspiracy. In this explosive book, based on over nine years of intense, investigative research, Texe Marrs exposes the diabolical Plan which these evil men call their "Great Work." He unmasks their occult religion and discloses how this hidden group meets privately behind closed doors and issues strict orders to a network of agents and associates spread throughout the globe. The Inner Circle sets the agenda for such notorious organizations as the CFR, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, the Priory of Sion, the Order of Skull & Bones, and the Grand Lodges of Freemasonry. The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the Russian KGB, and British Intelligence also work for the Inner Circle and enforce its directives. Presidents, prime ministers, and dictators alike bow to this hidden group and plot together for World Government. Circle of Intrigue reveals the shocking truth about the World Conspiracy and warns of the cosmic destiny of this murderous clique of super-rich conspirators. Will their despicable plot succeed? Have they decreed bloodshed for America's future? Will you end up one of their victims?--This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title. About the Author Texe Marrs is author of the landmark #1 national bestseller, Dark Secrets of the New Age, and 35 other books. He has taught American defense policy, international affairs, and political science at the University of Texas at Austin and two other universities. A retired career officer in the U.S. Air Force, he served throughout Europe and Asia. His Power of Prophecy shortwave radio program is heard around the world.--This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title. in that category? or Dr. Stan Monteith, author of "Brotherhood of Darkness," just to name two?
Beating a political stake in your black heart will be the fulfillment of my life ... ," ~Cindy Sheehan to Bush
Whatever name that is given them Illuminati or whatever.. anyone who denies there is a concerted effort by groups of people to hold power over this country and the world and control the monetary system is ignoring the obvious.
Or, defending the obvious.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
..true..
Dig? I agree. I oppose US foreign aid to every nation, including Israel. My definition of "Jew-Bashing" is much narrower. See my post to RickyJ atop this thread for clarification.
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I see very little "Jew" bashing by anyone anywhere. The very little I see more than likely originates from the ADL itself. Why do people get so upset that "Jews" are criticized but don't get upset when "Jews" not only criticize but persecute Christians? I think we a have a legitimate case of Christian bashing going on in this country and these hateful people include the "Jews". If people don't like the truth, then they should remember what Jesus called these clowns - vipers, serpents, and devils. People that go by the Jewish label today are NOT Christian. They have rejected Christ and are just as lost and evil as any other group that has rejected him. Criticizing these people, for rejecting Christ and persecuting Christians with a lot more than just mere words, is not a sin and those that try to make it out to be one are highly suspect as an enemy of God. "Jews" and the devil have latched onto the anti-Christ spirit that Christ talked about. When Jesus sends them to hell there will be plenty of so-called Christians shocked and joining them there as well.
God is always good!
Primus rocks!
Chapter 8 1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. The Pharisees and the scribes pressured the Romans to crucify Christ. They were Jews.
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
This verse very clearly shows that those that go by the popular meaning of the Jewish label today do not have the almighty God as their father. Maybe that's why they cannot even spell out his name properly. All people who have heard the truth of the gospel and have rejected it have rejected the Son of God and his father.
God is always good!
Some Pharasees and scribes did. Others did not. Do not make the mistake of taking words spoken too and about specific individuals and applying them to whole catagories of people.
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Are you doubting Christs' words?
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
MASTERMIND OF 9/11! Rabbi Dov Zakheim: Under-sec of Defense Fri Jun 11, 2004 02:45 69.43.13.1 I believe that Mr. St. John has just identified the Mastermind of the operation of Sept. 11th! READ THIS ARTICLE AGAIN! http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi? id=149495;article=57214;show_parent=1 "In the context of 9/11 it also needs to be pointed out that Rabbi Dov Zakheim was Chief Executive Officer of System Planning Corporation's International Division until President George W. Bush appointed him Undersecretary of Defense and Comptroller of the Pentagon. Not long before Rabbi Zakheim rose to power over the Pentagon's labyrinthine, bottomless accounts, he co-authored an article entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century" which was published by The Project for a New American Century in September 2000, exactly a year before 9/11; in this article, on page 51, it is stated that "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor"! Voila! 9/11!" Anyone else done any research on this stealthy, never-mentioned "undersecretary of defense" (authority) and controller of the Pentagon (funding/power)? TIME TO PUT THIS NAME AT THE FORE OF CHIEF SUSPECTS---and, without apology, here is a obviously Jewish/Zionist (Rothchild agent) man of authority, with the remote- control expertise (CEO of System Planning Corporation--aircraft remote control tech!), with authority just under Rumsfeld, the PNAC policy WRITER (talk about central figure!), and the power of shifting funds within the Pentagon itself! This suspect shows Motive, Means, and Opportunity...all in ONE MAN! I believe he could very well be THE MASTERMIND OF 9/11! (Amazing how he is never mentioned in press either). POST ANYTHING ON THIS MAN!! Time to indict, not an Arab, but a Jew! The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
No. Christ was not talking about all Jews (he was one, as were his disciples) or even all scribes and Pharisees (there were believers in the Sanhedrin). It would twist his words to so construe them.
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OSP-AIPAC SPY CASE REVEALS ISRAELI PLOT TO PLANT IRAN WMD DATA
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
As a rule, the peas rot first then destroy the pod. /chuckle
When Jesus said those that don't love him don't love God he is talking about a whole lot of people, including those that proudly procalim they are Jews today. Real Jews do not proclaim they are Jews today, they proclaim they are Christians. Jews were never meant to be a race of people, it was and is a religious group.
God is always good!
The Illuminati were a secret society of secular humanists and reformers in Germany who were anti nobility in the early 19th century. They lasted about 15 years before being broken up. They don't exist and haven't existed for 200 years. There are plenty of real conspiracies involving real people who don't belong to some fantasy multi generational conspiracy with nebulous aims about a "New World Order".
I can recall people discussing the CFR (Council On Foreign Relations) and Bilderbergers 20 years ago being called kooks, weirdos and conspiracy freaks. Well, the weirdos were right. Secret Societies such as the Illuminists still exist today. The Vatican's Banker, Calvi was hung from Black Friars Bridge with bricks in his pockets by Illuminists wishing to make a point. His death was determined a "suicide" by the British Police Agencies ... point made. Secret Societies are filled with dupes that act as camoflauge for the satanists that blend in with them. I can't recall where I read it but I did read that "BEHIND EVERY MASONIC LODGE THERE IS A JEW" ...
It's gonna get worse before it gets "worser" !
I don't know about the Illuminati, but the generation conspiracy of the "Order of Death" of "Skull & Bones" is as real and documentable as a heart attack. So is the globalist Anglo-American cabal behind the Roundtable Groups/Council of Foreign Relations. One can no more deny them than one can deny the moon or the sun.
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And in the front are a whole lot more of Anglo-WASP types. But the Jew in the rear is so powerful, he controls all the WASPS, right? You are loony. Your Jew-obsession has blinded you to the evils of Anglo elites. You blame their evil on the Jew. How convenient. And how utterly pathetic.
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For some unknown reason people are unable to understand this..
I agree with you. I don't know if there is a formal Illuminati, but there certainly is an informal organization that funcitons the same way. Back in the 1990s I had some dealings with the Jonathan Club in LA. In many ways they fit the bill. The members participated in the Bohemian Grove parties and went on the Santa Barbara Trail Ride every year. There is such a thing as an American Aristocracy and many belong to this club. I never met anyone particularly evil there, but they were a group of very, very wealthy people who were dedicated to guarding their own interests. They knew others like themselves throughout the world. There arn't that many of them. You're right about the jewish angle. These people were straight Pasadena wasp types. I worked with a jewish guy out of Century City who would make a face everytime I told him I was doing something at the Jonathan Club. I would ask him what the problem was and he would never explain. I later learned about the West Side/Pasadena wasp jewish split in LA. This goes way back to the 1920s. The Jonathan Club was and is the wasp bastion. These are the "other goys" that Tom Wolfe talks about in his book "Bonfire of the Vanities".
So is the globalist Anglo-American cabal behind the Roundtable Groups/Council of Foreign Relations. I think you two are saying the same thing.
People get all caught up in these clubs and frats of rich people as if they are anything more than what they are- clubs and frats. Wow- the very wealthy and the very powerful have associations and clubs that they belong too just like everyone else on the planet. If they were to engage in plots and intrigues they most likely would engage in them with people they know and that are in the same circles, i.e. the same clubs and groups. Now does this mean they have a super secret network of functionaries all over the globe with near magical powers of surveilance and an amazing ability to effect nearly everything going on? No. Does it mean they have some super agenda to create a "New World Order" and a one world government and that they have been cultivating this conspiracy for centuries? No. They, are caught up in the same nonsense about "globalization" like half the world and many think it "inevitiable" and indeed propagate and push for it. Perhaps it is a matter of presentation. But DC's elites have interests that are inclined toward globalization as they define it with DC the center of this global government. Does this mean they are part of some grand conspiracy? Not really. Does it mean they have not committed monsterous plots and crimes through conspiracy? No. What I object too is the whole mythology of these secret groups and their seeminlgly limitless power and almost supernatural powers of prediction and control.
Lord Burkmanstein, yours a ridiculous post, but I'll clue you in that "globalization" is code for World Socialism...If you don't think that also means totalitarianism, you are lost.
Illuminazi 9-11 The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
Take it one step further.. it's communism repackaged.. renamed.. not neoconservatism.. but neocommunism.
Yep, in a nutshell, Illuminism is Communism. But, only to those willing to do homework and give the subject matter its due diligence...
You're good at raising up strawmen to knock down. Now, how about some facts:
The "Order of Death" or "Skull and Bones" is indeed a super-secret network here
in America. While they do not have "magical powers of surveilance," they are
positioned atop the American political and financial power structure. Their
powers, such as they are, are quite terrestrial, though awesomely so, not
magical. They do not manage everything that goes on. No men have that power.
They are quite adept at managing what they do manage, however, namely: -
world-wide drug running Furthermore, they are quite
adept at subverting potentially rival power centers and
placing their resources into their control. They've practiced this deadly
game for
over a century now. They have financed the rise to power of nearly every mass
murdering monster of the last century, including Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, and Mao.
They have the blood of millions on their hands. 9-11 and the debacle in Iraq
is just their latest handiwork.
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Doesnt take a lot really to come to that realization.. And GHW Bush was the first president that uttered the phrase 'new world order'.. so this wasnt something cooked in the minds of conspiracy theorists..
Yes, and a significant and 'illuminating' number of 11 years to the day was 9-11. The pattern just keeps repeating with this family.
What is that?
OK whatever. I am done with this site.
Why?
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That's about as much defense the French put up during the heralded Resistance days. Too bad folks can recognize this?
Between the "Jews invented gravity" crowd to the "Illuminati keep aliens under wraps" crowd- I don't fit in. That's why. There is no "debating" such as you people. Absence of proof itself is merely cited as further proof of "their" powers and nefarious wide ranging influence. Belief in Jew conpiracies and secret society conspiracies is simply delusional and I won't engage the delusional and I don't find it amusing or worth my time. Bye Bye.
You haven't offered up any proof, only opinions me Lord...The peasents tend to quake at that...
I'm in neither crowd. That's why. There is no "debating" such as you people. I'm not them people, nor are most posters here. Absence of proof itself is merely cited as further proof of "their" powers and nefarious wide ranging influence. Everything I've posted to you is backed by academic sources, from Anthony Sutton's research to the historical tomes of Carrol Quigley to history generally. I've read these sources myself. I've done the research. Have you? Belief in Jew conpiracies and secret society conspiracies is simply delusional and I won't engage the delusional and I don't find it amusing or worth my time. Nice conflation of the true with the false. I reject Jewish conspiracies. Secret societies are undeniable, however. Do you deny that the Order of Skull and Bones exists? Do you deny that it is a secret society? Do you deny that its members have been the KEY players in the major events of the last century? Do you deny that they have their origins in drug-running? Do you deny that they dominate American intelligence, including the CIA? Do you deny that their members have financed the rise of Lenin, Hitler, and Mao? This is all documented. Do your homework before you dismiss such things out of hand. Not all conspiracy theories are created equal.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
Bye Bye. Oh okay..Do you agree with the federal government saying that there is a worldwide islamofacist conspiracy that blew up the WTCs? Is this one you do believe?
LOL
My bad. I forgot Cartman was a raging anti-Semite.
Gotta watch your sources :P
#2. To: itsalmosttoolate, noone22, 1776, Zoroaster (#1)
#3. To: Arator (#1)
I hate hypocrites. ;^)
#4. To: Arator (#1)
#5. To: RickyJ (#4)
When did legitimate criticism turn into bashing anyway?
#6. To: Arator (#5)
Posts that attribute to all Jews the evil of some, or that fail to make the kind of basic distinctions one would naturally make when posting about evils done by those within one's own ethnicity/religion/culture, I deem to be Jew-bashing.
#7. To: Arator (#5)
Elapidae, Micrurus tenere
#8. To: Arator (#0)
#9. To: Arator (#1)
#10. To: Arator (#1)
#11. To: Burkeman1 (#9)
#12. To: toddbrendanfahey (#11)
What I personally find offensive among the Jew obssessors and their twisted cousins, the "Illuminati" believers, is basically everything I know, all the books I have read, all the great minds and articulate theories and meticulous scholarship on the past can be thrown into a trash can and the vast human experience throughout recorded history is reduced to the ramblings of paranoid, half literate, pamphleteers.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
#13. To: Burkeman1 (#9)
What I personally find offensive among the Jew obssessors and their twisted cousins, the "Illuminati" believers, is basically everything I know, all the books I have read, all the great minds and articulate theories and meticulous scholarship on the past can be thrown into a trash can and the vast human experience throughout recorded history is reduced to the ramblings of paranoid, half literate, pamphleteers.
#14. To: Eoghan (#12)
#15. To: toddbrendanfahey (#8)
the dual-allegiance Israel-first moles within "our government" are prevalent and wholly criminal.
#16. To: Arator, christine, zipporah, Zoroaster (#0)
#17. To: Arete (#15)
#18. To: Arete (#15)
#19. To: Arator (#0)
Comments?
#20. To: toddbrendanfahey (#17)
#21. To: Jhoffa_ (#19)
Add mindless, Muslim/Arab/Raghead of any stripe, bashers to the list also.
#22. To: Arete (#20)
#23. To: toddbrendanfahey (#22)
several dozen persons who strike me as more dangerous
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
Did you add a blind allegiance to their politics and a willingness to smear those who might disagree? I have respect for neither.
#25. To: Arator, christine, zipporah, Zoroaster, (#24)
Two festering peas in a rotten pod, they are.
#26. To: wbales (#25)
#27. To: Zoroaster, (#26)
#28. To: Arator (#8)
#29. To: toddbrendanfahey (#28)
#30. To: All (#28)
#31. To: Arator (#0)
Both Bushbots and Jew-Bashers desperately crave the clarity (and unreality) of a black and white, fairy-tale-like world.
Among American Jewry, there are those who believe America has no business in the Middle East. There are some who have no opinion, who are not religious and have no interest in politics whatsoever. Others are conflicted, sometimes siding with the Zionists, sometimes not. And then there are the rabid Zionists who blindly support the fringe elements of the Likud party and are willing to perform any small service to support their ends. Because the MSM mostly supports the rabid Zionist positions, more of the general population, gentile and jew, are inclined to take these same Zionist positions. Most do not even realize that they are taking a radical view, they are so brainwashed. The propaganda from MSM, Hollywood and the govt is working.
#32. To: toddbrendanfahey (#30)
#33. To: Jhoffa_ (#32)
#34. To: Arator (#0)
#35. To: Jhoffa_, robin, toddbrendanfahey (#32)
#36. To: Starwind (#34)
To be persusive, the listeners/readers point of view must be understood (not simply dismissed) and then an effective course of action must be suggested.
We'll split the threads. You can have chem trails, 911, and Bildeberg. I want gold bugs and racists.
#37. To: Arator (#0)
We'll split the threads. You can have chem trails, 911, and Bildeberg. I want gold bugs and racists.
#38. To: Arator (#0)
We'll split the threads. You can have chem trails, 911, and Bildeberg. I want gold bugs and racists.
#39. To: toddbrendanfahey, Arator, Zoroaster (#30)
Um...there's a huge chasm between being a "Jew-basher" and being a strident foe of the kind of massive "foreign aid" that the taxpayer is forced to give to Israel yearly, and also of those who [know] that the dual-allegiance Israel- first moles within "our government" are prevalent and wholly criminal.
#40. To: christine (#39)
This is my sentiment exactly. In my postings on this topic, I have made a conscious effort not to "jew bash." My criticism is of the STATE OF ISRAEL and the ZIONIST doctrine. I do not malign the jewish people. I do not malign JUDAISM. As a matter of fact, nearly all of my postings have been articles and comments making the distinction between ZIONISM and JUDAISM. My emphasis has always been on the political and foreign policy influence the STATE of Israel and the IsraelFirsters have within our government. Never once have I been critical of the jewish religion.
#41. To: Zoroaster (#26)
Bushbots approve of the Zionist agenda and Jew-Bashers disapprove of the Zionist agenda: the premisses are not the same; therefore, the conclusion that both groups are the same is false.
#42. To: Jhoffa_, Flintlock (#19)
#43. To: christine (#39)
...because I have provided a website in which people are free to discuss it.
#44. To: Arator (#1)
#45. To: Tauzero (#36)
But persuasion of the opposition may or may not have anything to do with victory.
And some people are best persuaded by banging them on the head with a stick.
#46. To: christine (#39)
This is my sentiment exactly. In my postings on this topic, I have made a conscious effort not to "jew bash." My criticism is of the STATE OF ISRAEL and the ZIONIST doctrine. I do not malign the jewish people. I do not malign JUDAISM. As a matter of fact, nearly all of my postings have been articles and comments making the distinction between ZIONISM and JUDAISM. My emphasis has always been on the political and foreign policy influence the STATE of Israel and the IsraelFirsters have within our government. Never once have I been critical of the jewish religion.
#47. To: Arator (#0)
#48. To: Zipporah (#47)
#49. To: wbales (#48)
But what of biases that derive from logical thought?
#50. To: Starwind (#45)
Lawbreaking ends when criminals are eliminated (or laws - lol).
#51. To: Zipporah (#49)
a conclusion based on logical thought wouldnt be considered being biased..
#52. To: Burkeman1 (#9)
What I personally find offensive among the Jew obssessors and their twisted cousins, the "Illuminati" believers, is basically everything I know, all the books I have read, all the great minds and articulate theories and meticulous scholarship on the past can be thrown into a trash can and the vast human experience throughout recorded history is reduced to the ramblings of paranoid, half literate, pamphleteers.
#53. To: christine (#52)
#54. To: Zipporah (#53)
...and control the monetary system is ignoring the obvious.
#55. To: wbales (#54)
Or, defending the obvious.
#56. To: toddbrendanfahey (#8)
Um...there's a huge chasm between being a "Jew-basher" and being a strident foe of the kind of massive "foreign aid" that the taxpayer is forced to give to Israel yearly, and also of those who that the dual-allegiance Israel-first moles within "our government" are prevalent and wholly criminal.
#57. To: wbales (#44)
#58. To: RickyJ (#57)
#59. To: Arator (#2)
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the
beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the
father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? .
#60. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#59)
If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
#61. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#59)
The Pharisees and the scribes pressured the Romans to crucify Christ. They were Jews.
#62. To: Arator (#61)
#63. To: Arator (#61)
I'm not falting "ALL" Jews, just the One who was behind 911, killing 3,000 Americans and the ones "covering it up"
#64. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#62)
Are you doubting Christs' words?
#65. To: Arator (#64)
#66. To: Arator (#24)
Two festering peas in a rotten pod,
#67. To: Arator (#61)
Do not make the mistake of taking words spoken too and about specific individuals and applying them to whole catagories of people.
#68. To: christine (#52)
#69. To: Burkeman1 (#68)
There are plenty of real conspiracies involving real people who don't belong to some fantasy multi generational conspiracy with nebulous aims about a "New World Order".
#70. To: Burkeman1, christine (#68)
There are plenty of real conspiracies involving real people who don't belong to some fantasy multi generational conspiracy with nebulous aims about a "New World Order".
#71. To: noone222 (#69)
I can't recall where I read it but I did read that "BEHIND EVERY MASONIC LODGE THERE IS A JEW" ...
#72. To: RickyJ (#67)
When Jesus said those that don't love him don't love God he is talking about a whole lot of people, including those that proudly procalim they are Jews today. Real Jews do not proclaim they are Jews today, they proclaim they are Christians. Jews were never meant to be a race of people, it was and is a religious group.
#73. To: Arator (#70)
I don't know about the Illuminati, but the generation conspiracy of the "Order of Death" of "Skull & Bones" is as real and documentable as a heart attack.
#74. To: Burkeman1, Arator (#68)
There are plenty of real conspiracies involving real people who don't belong to some fantasy multi generational conspiracy with nebulous aims about a "New World Order".
#75. To: Arator (#70)
#76. To: Burkeman1 (#75)
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
#77. To: christine, Burkeman1, Arator (#74)
Who benefits from this atrocity? Islam? Israel? Or is it those who wish to establish a New World Order
Watch Video
#78. To: Eoghan (#76)
Lord Burkmanstein, yours a ridiculous post, but I'll clue you in that "globalization" is code for World Socialism...If you don't think that also means totalitarianism, you are lost.
#79. To: Zipporah (#78)
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
#80. To: Burkeman1 (#75)
Now does this mean they have a super secret network of
functionaries all over the globe with near magical powers of surveilance and an
amazing ability to effect nearly everything going on?
- world-wide arms sales
- world-wide tumult and
war to
maintain a growing demand for arms and drugs
#81. To: Eoghan (#79)
#82. To: Zipporah (#81)
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
#83. To: Eoghan (#82)
Yes, and a significant and 'illuminating' number of 11 years to the day was 9-11. The pattern just keeps repeating with this family.
#84. To: Arator (#80)
#85. To: Burkeman1 (#84)
OK whatever. I am done with this site.
#86. To: Burkeman1 (#84)
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
#87. To: Arator (#85)
#88. To: Burkeman1 (#87)
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
#89. To: Burkeman1 (#87)
Between the "Jews invented gravity" crowd to the "Illuminati keep aliens under wraps" crowd- I don't fit in.
#90. To: Burkeman1 (#87)
#91. To: Burkeman1 (#87)
Between the "Jews invented gravity" crowd to the "Illuminati keep aliens under wraps" crowd- I don't fit in. That's why. There is no "debating" such as you people. Absence of proof itself is merely cited as further proof of "their" powers and nefarious wide ranging influence. Belief in Jew conpiracies and secret society conspiracies is simply delusional and I won't engage the delusional and I don't find it amusing or worth my time.
#92. To: Dude Lebowski (#90)
#93. To: Zipporah (#92)
LOL
#94. To: Dude Lebowski (#93)
My bad. I forgot Cartman was a raging anti-Semite.
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