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Title: Betrayal of Christ by Christian 'Leaders' Continues BETRAYAL OF CHRIST BY CHRISTIAN LEADERS CONTINUES
Source: newswithviews.com
URL Source: http://www.newswithviews.com/PaulProctor/proctor138.htm
Published: Dec 19, 2007
Author: Paul Proctor
Post Date: 2007-12-19 11:50:11 by James Deffenbach
Keywords: None
Views: 463
Comments: 14

In a December 17th 2007 article titled, Rick Warren Counsels Jews on Recruiting Congregants, the Christian Post reported that the beloved senior pastor and founder of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest California, a Southern Baptist congregation, "attended a large Reform Jewish gathering last week to share tips on how to build a community."

So, instead of sharing Christ with his Jewish audience, Pastor Warren shared "tips on how to build a community?"

The article went on to say this about Warren's visit:

The "Purpose-Driven" pastor spoke to thousands of Jewish leaders Thursday night at the Union for Reform Judaism's biennial convention in San Diego.

With the holiday season in mind, Warren urged clergy to take advantage of crowded events to publicize other programs so people can get involved in the community through smaller groups.

OK - I'm confused - We have a Christian pastor addressing a Jewish audience - so which holiday are they talking about here - or does it even matter?

"There are some principles that apply regardless of our faith, if it's Jewish or Christian," he [Warren] said at the convention.

One of his principles: "Just be nice to people. Smile."

This is Pastor Rick's message to Jewish leaders - smile and be nice? They needed Warren to come and tell them this? And how are these principles going to gain anyone entry to the Kingdom of God - or is that even relevant?

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Is this why Jesus Christ was nailed to a cross - so Christians could proudly share their pragmatic principles with those who reject Him? Are we to conclude from this report that community involvement is more important than eternal life and the forgiveness of one's sins?

After Warren spoke a few minutes at the podium, he sat alongside two popular Southern California rabbis for a casual talk about strengthening congregational life.

What?

Jesus Christ rose from the dead and this "Christian" pastor talks casually to rabbis about "strengthening congregational life" around the synagogue? There is no life apart from Jesus Christ! That's why He called the religious leaders of the day "whited sepulchers" that outwardly appeared beautiful, but inwardly were "full of dead men's bones." (Matthew 23:27)

Why is this double-minded man still pastoring a Southern Baptist church? What does he have to do to get fired? And why do SBC pastors continue to teach and promote his books, his programs, his sermons and his P.E.A.C.E. Plan when apparently being Purpose Driven doesn't even require faith in Christ?

If anyone can be Purpose Driven, then who needs Jesus? Why not just be Purpose Driven and leave it at that - no Christianity - no Christ - no Holy Spirit - no New Testament - just Purpose Driven?

Lucifer said "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High." (Isaiah 14:13b-14)

Isn't that being Purpose Driven?

Other advice given by Warren included looking at everything from an outsider's viewpoint, such as simplifying worship terms, making strangers feel welcome, and encouraging interaction.

How about encouraging interaction with the only begotten Son of God by worshipping Him in Spirit and in Truth through repentance and faith? Was there any mention of this at the gathering - or would that hamper recruiting efforts down at the Temple?

"The congregation that really loves people, you have to lock the doors to keep people out," said Warren, whose Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., is scheduled to host 14 Christmas services this year with an estimated crowd of 45,000 people.

But isn't Warren essentially locking Heaven's doors to those without Christ by denying them the Gospel they so desperately need? How is this a demonstration of love - or do Jews have no need of Jesus?

The truth is, the Lord's harshest rebukes were always directed toward religious leaders who postured themselves as righteous while keeping people out of the Kingdom of God with their own self-serving agendas.

"But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in." - Matthew 23:13

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#1. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

The truth is, the Lord's harshest rebukes were always directed toward religious leaders who postured themselves as righteous while keeping people out of the Kingdom of God with their own self-serving agendas.

"But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in." - Matthew 23:13

Excellent blast.

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Lod  posted on  2007-12-19   11:56:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: lodwick (#1)

Thank you, lodwick. Hope all is well with you and yours.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-19   12:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

...or do Jews have no need of Jesus?

That's the contention of the apostate gasbag Hagee. Warren seems to be following suite and continues to out himself as a tissue-thin ecumenical.

Old Fud  posted on  2007-12-19   13:33:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Old Fud (#3)

Well, I don't claim to have all the light there is but it seems to me that the Bible pretty clearly teaches that Jesus is the only way to the Father. He said it himself so if someone has an argument with it, their argument is with God, not with me.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-19   14:08:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: lodwick (#1)

They're putting themselves on the side of the torturers. The New Testament suggests that's not the side of Jesus and his followers.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-19   14:08:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

Kudos to Mr. Proctor for writing so correctly and truthfully.

God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!

rowdee  posted on  2007-12-19   15:25:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: James Deffenbach (#4)

Well, I don't claim to have all the light there is but it seems to me that the Bible pretty clearly teaches that Jesus is the only way to the Father. He said it himself so if someone has an argument with it, their argument is with God, not with me.

I agree.

Old Fud  posted on  2007-12-19   20:16:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

I note where the "Huckster" is going to be attending a couple of services at "Pastor" Hagee's emporium this week...

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-12-19   20:21:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: rowdee (#6)

Kudos to Mr. Proctor for writing so correctly and truthfully.

Yes, he did a good job on this one.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-19   20:25:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Old Fud (#7)

I agree.

Thank you, Old Fud.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-19   20:29:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: who knows what evil (#8)

I note where the "Huckster" is going to be attending a couple of services at "Pastor" Hagee's emporium this week...

He can appear wherever he wants but I wouldn't vote for him if he was the only one running.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-19   20:30:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: James Deffenbach (#11)

He can appear wherever he wants but I wouldn't vote for him if he was the only one running.

Agreed. The fact that he is lining up with the likes of Hagee should make people very uncomfortable...

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-12-19   20:33:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: who knows what evil (#12)

Well, Hagee's people shouldn't be all that proud of Hagee taking up with Huckster. Works both ways I reckon.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2007-12-19   20:44:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: James Deffenbach (#13)

Good point.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-12-19   20:46:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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