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Title: Ron Paul Stormfront Photo-Op smear
Source: littlegreenfootballs
URL Source: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/web ... Pauls_Photo-Op_with_Stormfront
Published: Dec 21, 2007
Author: Some Globalist Kook
Post Date: 2007-12-21 00:16:21 by hondo68
Keywords: Set Up, Like A, Bowling Pin
Views: 721
Comments: 43

An LGF reader emailed this photograph, showing Ron Paul at the Values Voters Presidential Debate in Fort Lauderdale on September 17, 2007. Immediately to Paul’s left: Don Black, the owner of neo-Nazi hate site Stormfront. If anyone knows who the creepy guy in the hat is, please post a comment.

Update: it’s Derek Black, Don’s son.

UPDATE at 12/20/07 5:17:22 pm:

Here’s another picture from the same event, showing Ron Paul signing an autograph for Derek Black:

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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)

Some Globalist Kook

Haha. How long are they gonna milk this non-story?

Vitamin Z  posted on  2007-12-21   0:18:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: hondo68 (#0) (Edited)

Bill White forms the American National Socialist Workers Party

Not surprisingly, Bill White, who had been the NSM's media liaison and a spokesperson at a number of NSM rallies, was behind some of the tensions that escalated within the group in the spring and summer of 2006. Standing in his Nazi uniform, White often represented the face of the NSM to the media, especially after he acted as the group's spokesperson when a planned NSM march led to riots in Toledo, Ohio, in October 2005, and attracted national media attention. Along with his media savvy, White is known for spreading propaganda and lies about his perceived enemies, including other white supremacists. He has made a number of disparaging remarks about the Vinlanders Social Club, an umbrella organization of racist skinheads, which contributed to a brawl between members of the NSM and the Vinlanders at Nordicfest, a white power event in Kentucky in May 2006. White's taunts against the Vinlanders and others in the white supremacist movement led many extremists to question why the NSM kept him on as a leader.

In early July 2006, NSM leaders Jeff Schoep and Cliff Herrington gave White a 30-day suspension and reprimanded him for his disruptive behavior and attacks on other members in the white power movement. White claimed that he then resigned from the group; NSM reported that he was expelled for his insubordination.

White subsequently established a new group, the American National Socialist Workers Party (ANSWP). Although the group appears to have few active members (White claims that the ANSWP has 6 state units), other NSM leaders did join the ANSWP. White appointed Michael Blevins, also known as "Vonbluvens," who had been the director of NSM's "office of information," and Gary Nemeth, the former leader of the Tacoma, Washington, NSM chapter, as deputy commanders of the ANSWP. Blevins is now the ANSWP state leader in Florida; Justin Boyer, who had been the leader of the Seattle, Washington, NSM chapter, is now the ANSWP Ohio state leader. White claims that his ouster led to the dismantlement of the NSM chapter in Virginia (which he led), and those in Florida and Washington state, as well as the resignation of numerous NSM state and unit leaders. In his new self-appointed position," White still spreads anti-Semitic and racist propaganda, and has started a magazine called National Socialist: Journal of the American National Socialist Workers Party.

As soon as he was no longer a member of NSM, White began a propaganda campaign against the group and its leaders. In August 2006, he also decided to bring a lawsuit against the NSM, accusing the organization of libeling him; the suit is still pending.

ADL

Topic: Ron Paul
American Thinker's New Smear about Racist Ron Paul


Thomas Lifson at American Thinker recently published a new blog entry, which attempted to connect Ron Paul with racist ties.
by Grizzle Griz
(Centrist)

Thomas Lifson, editor at AmericanThinker.com recently published a new piece in a series of smears about Ron Paul’s connections to racist groups. Although it does not claim that the latest evidence is the best evidence yet, it specifically eschews past critics’ concerns over the American Thinker’s previous hysteria by alluding that they have finally obtained…well, the best evidence yet.

Lifson cited an article by Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs, which cited a post by Bill White, a Commander of the American National Socialist Worker’s Party and a white supremacist. White claimed that Ron Paul had been at some dinners that were originally organized by Pat Buchanan, where several members of white supremacist groups attended. That’s pretty much the long and the short of the alleged facts. Oh…they also met on Wednesdays.

The only provocative part of the post was the tone. White claims that he is exposing Ron Paul’s "extensive involvement in white nationalism". White also states that he is upset that Ron Paul denies any affiliation with white supremacist groups. He says that Ron Paul is a white supremacist of the "Stormfront-type". Finally, White claims that the Ron Paul Campaign is being ridiculous by calling "white racialism" a small ideology.

Given Thomas Lifson’s excitement over the "extensive involvement" issue, one might expect to see more damning facts. Instead, Lifson claimed that Charles Johnson had assembled all the links to the corroborating evidence. I went to Little Green Footballs to find out this supposed dirt on Paul. The first sentence of Johnson’s page reads "Take this one with a grain of salt, please". I will be charitable and assume Lifson missed that statement.

Johnson’s "corroborating evidence" included an expenditure at the Thai restaurant and two links to websites. One of the websites claimed that Paul gave a speech to the Robert Taft club, a club organized by Pat Buchanan and dedicated to oversight of the Republican Party to ensure adherence to libertarian-conservative values. The website called the Robert Taft club an "extremist group" because it is headed by a man with "racist connections", whatever that means.

The other website was the white supremacist forum where Bill White made his claim. The forum was rather interesting. Amazingly, none of the comments from other white supremacists supported White nor did they allude to any similar knowledge of Paul’s "extensive" ties. Almost all of them chastised White for being generally obnoxious. Many claimed that they had seen White in various forums and consider him to be chronically attention-hungry. Perhaps the most inetresting point came from a comment which insisted self-respecting white supremacists don't go to Thai restaurants. I never would have guessed that white supremacy could be so nuanced. (I did not link the forum, because it can be a little shocking in other respects).

This is what it all the corroborating evidence boils down to: 1) White claims that he has been in the same room as Paul at undescribed dinners organized by Pat Buchanan. 2) Those were likely Robert Taft Club meetings. 3) Paul paid for his own dinner. 4) White, an observed attention-mongerer, wants this to be significant without citing anything significant. But here is another wrench in Lifson's gears: Don Black, the leader of Stormfront (the group Ron Paul is supposedly a member of), has recently admitted that while he endorses Paul's campaign, he has never met Paul and he regrets that Paul does not share his white supremacist views.

So which white supremacist is lying? The American Thinker position would have to be that Don Black is lying about the disconnect between himself and Paul and that the two have engaged in a massive conspiracy to defraud the public into believing Paul doesn’t care for Don Black, Bill White, or white supremacy in general. Second, Lifson would have to maintain that, while Black took the all the precautions to maintain Paul's secrecy, he forgot to not endorse Paul. Finally, Lifson would have to hold that Paul has spent the last 20 years in Congress reigning in all of his white supremacist furor, while faking the most libertarian platform in GOP memory, on the off-chance that he may someday become president, whence he can unleash his true socialist white supremacist agenda.

Of course, the more reasonable position is that Bill White is a social pariah in the white supremacy movement who is trying to capitalize on Paul’s fame, that Don Black simply endorsed the 'small government' candidate as white supremacists usually do, and that American Thinker, despite its name, wants Paul to be a racist a little too much.

So here is my take on Charles Johnson and Thomas Lifson: Johnson doesn’t get a complete pass just because he warned readers to take it with a grain of salt. He made an obnoxiously-attenuated connection with no real evidence. I am sure he has been in this game long enough to know that anyone who hates Paul as much as the staff of American Thinker would completely ignore the warning. The "ooohs" and "ahhhs" of his comment section are a testament to the value of hype over substance and Johnson ought to know about that factor.

Thomas Lifson and American Thinker do not get a shred of respect for this. This is the latest episode in American Thinker’s larger campaign to smear Paul with weak and attenuated claims. The fact that he thinks this one will finally silence the critics and the "abusive" Ron Paul supporters (whine), just shows how weak his previous claims were. It is an indictment on the quality of American Thinker as a publication and an indictment on Thomas Lifson’s seething bias. It stems from a broader attitude of dismissal about Ron Paul and his supporters: an attitude which Lifson would surely like to preserve. However, I cannot intelligently predict how the ends could justify Lifson turning himself into a conspiracy theorist.

The Real Reason this is Happening

There is a subtlety at play that readers may not pick up on. There is a major battle over control of the GOP right now. In one corner, there are the old-school libertarian-conservatives. They oppose war, taxes, spending, and any behavioral mandates. In the other corner are the neoconservatives. They espouse similar core principles, but often take to equivocation because they regularly breach them. They have more or less redefined ‘conservative’ to mean anything ‘right wing’ and ironically attempted to mandate their brand of conservatism on the people. Moreover, neoconservatives have coerced original conservatives to vote their way ever since Bush took the White House and they have even resorted to overt threats.

To libertarian-conservatives, Ron Paul is a hero. He stands for uncompromised integrity, unwavering adherence to the core principles of the old GOP, and a refusal to buckle under the threat of new GOP ostracism. More important, Paul’s candidacy has come to symbolize a possible resurgence of Goldwater’s GOP. So much in fact, that he has been endorsed by Goldwater’s progeny.

American Thinker has made it clear which side they take, which is why they don't mind wrapping non-neoconservative Republicans like Pat Buchanan in this obnoxious claim. Yet, they have miscalculated some key facts. When Dan Rather miscalculated neoconservative power by misreporting Bush’s dereliction of duty, he found himself retiring early. But now neoconservatism is an injured animal and libertarian-conservatism just raised $23 Million dollars for a humble country doctor’s presidential bid. Sure, it has been open season on Ron Paul until late, but his support has firmed and it is ready for action. It does not take kindly to Republicans who lie, obscure, and side with white supremacists against honest members of the GOP. Lifson’s complaining about the "abusive" letters from supporters misunderstands normative ideas of political power and refuses to acknowledge this obvious resurgence. Barry Goldwater, who once said, "I think every good Christian ought to kick [Jerry] Falwell right in the ass," has returned in the form of 130,000 donating Ron Paul supporters to kick neoconservatism in its metaphorical ass. They might be pleased to start with American Thinker, but I should not speak for them: I’m sure they will be talking to Lifson himself.

Grizzle Griz: Griz Times

_______  posted on  2007-12-21   0:20:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: hondo68 (#0)

Keywords: Set Up, Like A, Bowling Pin

yep

christine  posted on  2007-12-21   0:20:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vitamin Z (#1)

seriously. BFD.

christine  posted on  2007-12-21   0:24:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: hondo68 (#0) (Edited)

Big deal. There are photos of Hillary, Obama, McCain, et al with people they don't know and whose backgrounds could be used to smear them....

Politicians don't know WHO is at these debates and take pictures with anyone and sign anything.

Sci-Fi conventions are even worse. Shove something in the actor's direction and it gets signed. They get lined up with people constantly. Who is this person? Who knows? Heck, I've got a picture of myself with Pope JPII. No introduction, just "stand here" - SNAP! - here's your picture - NEXT!

Its still a non-story but it shows just how desperate people are to smear Dr. Paul.

The big question is this -- what are they afraid of?

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-12-21   0:31:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: mirage, christine, hondo68 (#5)

See Post 2

_______  posted on  2007-12-21   0:40:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: hondo68 (#0)

You take 'money' from everyone, including neo-NAZI trash...and then laugh at them.

As long as it's "Legal Money", in which hands would you rather the 'money' be in?

Some inbred racist mental and spiritual defective, or Ron Paul 2008?

It's not like this 'money' was funneled in from the Chinese Communists or Saudi Arabia!

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-21   1:33:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: buckeye (#7)

Do you still tread over at NeoCon-Post.org?

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-21   1:36:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: All (#8)

I'm glad I took some time to sit back and observe who is attacking Ron and where precisely it's coming from.

4 givan 1 is on a mirror thread at the little "NeoCon-Post.org" rubbing his pecker together with that UBER America-Hating, Ruby-supporting, MAGICIAN-NAUer - "Israel before America" - calling Ron Paul a "POS NAZI".

This is one of the reasons I'm on vacation.

It's times like these that I get about this () close to saying "Let's just get it on and start cleansing America of the quislings/NeoCon scourge".

I know, I know...peaceful revolution.

Don't think it's all going to be peaceful after this...this dirty shit will NOT BE FORGOTTEN. I'll just keep adding up all the old faces exposing themselves in a new way, finally and showing us what they REALLY are.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-21   1:44:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mirage (#5)

The big question is this -- what are they afraid of?

ANSWER: A guy who can't be bribed or blackmailed into supporting Israeli interests over America's interests - ie. Dr. Ron Paul

The more I read through the onslaught of rumors and character assassination ploys against Dr. Ron Paul by the Usual Suspects or their media agents, the more I am convinced that DC is very seriously corrupted by the circle route of foreign aid to Israel back into the pockets of our "esteemed" Republocrat politicians.

The main issue that troubles the Zio-neoconlibs - you can see that they are at a frenzied pitch - is that Dr. Paul says he will stop all foreign aid including to the Spoiled and Ugly ME Thug Child - without foreign aid to Israel, there goes the bribe money to the congresscritters...and there goes the phony DC chant of "We share values with our good friend and ally Israel" -there goes the IsraelFirster gaming of US politics for the benefit of Precious...

scrapper2  posted on  2007-12-21   1:57:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: scrapper2 (#10)

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

I knew where this would end up. I just thought it would be next year...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-21   2:03:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: hondo68 (#0)

1. This is from the American Thinker 'about us' page: "The right to exist and the survival of the State of Israel are of great importance to us." American Thinker specifically states on its 'about us' page that it is interested in the welfare of the state of ISRAEL:

www.americanthinker.c om/static/about_us.html

Little Green Footballs is a member of The Jewish and Israeli Blog Network at Israelforum.com

www.israelforum.com/blog_sources.php?p=6

American Thinker and Little Green Football are notorious ISRAEL FIRST websites. Jews hate Ron Paul because he's against wasting American treasure and the blood of American soldiers fighting Israel's wars. It's that goddam simple. What the MSM SHOULD be concentrating on is why these SOBs are getting involved in American politics.

2. There's a reason why the phrase 'White Flight' is a part of our language. I've spent a lot of time working in black neighborhoods and I know who moves in and who moves out of those "communities" and I KNOW that just the thought of moving into the 'hood would make the MSM and their FReeper stooges soil themselves, so they are just as much White separatists as anybody at Stormfront. They're just too dishonest and cowardly to admit it.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------BWS - Bush Worship Syndrome; a mental disorder that causes Iraq had WMDs and Saddam did 9/11 troofers to worship Bush no matter how much damage he does to conservatism, to the GOP, to the English language, or to the country. Rush "the doper" Limbaugh and Sean "the dope" Hannity are two examples of extreme cases.

Rich  posted on  2007-12-21   2:33:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: scrapper2 (#10)

This cannot be pinned only on the Israelis. Keep in mind, a true Libertarian platform would dismantle the swamp.

DC would become a wasteland as the FedGov was brought to heel and reduced in size to something unimaginably small. All of the recipients (ALL of the recipients) of Federal Largesse from the "Bridge to Nowhere" people right down to the folks who make their living with the "Save the Snails!" posters would be on the unemployment line.

Methinks that's the real deal and as we know, politics makes strange bedfellows.....

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-12-21   4:16:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mirage (#13)

This cannot be pinned only on the Israelis. Keep in mind, a true Libertarian platform would dismantle the swamp...Methinks that's the real deal and as we know, politics makes strange bedfellows.....

What do Ron Paul smear sites like littlegreenfootballs and townhall have to do with government employees and consultants afraid of losing their jobs or budgets? Answer: nothing.

Those smear sites' common love is I_S_R_E_A_L.

The anti-Ron Paul frenzy at neocon blogs, at neocon talk shows is all about Israel, loss of foreign aid, loss of bribe $ to buy Congresscritters. AIPAC, for example, has the annual budget of small countries. We're talking big big bribe bucks going out the window if foreign aid to Izzy is ended as promised by Ron Paul. Also ending foreign aid to Egypt and Jordan would put mubarrek and the Jordanian King in very bad moods and they might act in rather unfriendly ways to Precious and we can't allow that to happen, can we?

scrapper2  posted on  2007-12-21   4:35:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: hondo68 (#0)

Oh how f'ing ridiculous.. this is the best they can do? Extremely revealing isnt it? Paul has them running scared.. what total idiots..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-12-21   6:13:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: FOH (#8)

Do you still tread over at NeoCon-Post.org?

I try to change minds when I can. I see a few glimmers of hope. Have you resumed your support of Ron Paul? See his article, Effective and Practical Counter-Terrorism Measures from October 2001.

I think he is right to downplay the issue of borders because of the potential it has for stirring up unnecessary hatred toward the wrong people. The real threat is the growing acceptance for the idea that America should be regionally and internationally integrated by law for the purposes of "peace" and "commerce."

I still trust Ron Paul to counter that with what power he would be given as President. I also think he would lead us away from that as a nation. I do think he would abolish the Department of Education, as well, and many other departments.

Please keep us posted on your positions as you have time.

buckeye  posted on  2007-12-21   8:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: buckeye, Zipporah, scrapper2, christine, *Ron Paul for President 2008* (#16)

This is a good idea that should be spread to all RP meet-ups:

Now that the federal media's SMEAR campaign of Ron Paul is starting, all RP supporters everywhere should promise to make a donation in some amount to the Ron Paul campaign upon each and every occurrence/incident of a smear by the federal media (RP is a racist, terrorist lover, wants to club baby seals, one of children he delivered has more than one DUI, sexist, has chronic halitosis, [fill in which/whatever talking point Limbaugh, Hannity, Cavuto, et. al. have been supplied with]).

The federal media can then, at least, assist Ron Paul with campaign fund raising.

They are very of afraid of Ron Paul. Good.

wbales  posted on  2007-12-21   9:03:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: wbales (#17)

Now that the federal media's SMEAR campaign of Ron Paul is starting, all RP supporters everywhere should promise to make a donation in some amount to the Ron Paul campaign upon each and every occurrence/incident of a smear by the federal media. The federal media can then, at least, assist Ron Paul with campaign fund raising.

That is a GREAT idea!

scrapper2  posted on  2007-12-21   11:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: hondo68 (#0)

It was predicted on this very forum that when RP was viewed as a threat to the zionista establishment that 'they' would pull out the race/anti-semitism card.

They pulled the same shit on Buchanan except back then, they didn't have zionist websites such as littlegreen 'snotballs', FreeRepublic, etc. to spread their bile.

No surprise this is now happening to RP but a bit early. They didn't pull out this crap on Buchanan until after he won New Hampshire.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2007-12-21   11:43:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: scrapper2 (#14)

There's a lot more money at stake than just the foreign aid to Israel which amounts to a mere $3B per year plus the occasional extra goodie which is also a drop in the bucket.

The bigger picture is a 50% reduction in FedGov operating revenue plus a loss of all of its footsoldiers like BATFE and IRS - along with a potential Federal Reserve shutdown.

That's a heck of a lot bigger than the drop in the bucket that goes to one place.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-12-21   13:03:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: hondo68 (#0) (Edited)



_______  posted on  2007-12-21   13:07:14 ET  (5 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: mirage, All (#20) (Edited)

There's a lot more money at stake than just the foreign aid to Israel which amounts to a mere $3B per year plus the occasional extra goodie which is also a drop in the bucket.

The bigger picture is a 50% reduction in FedGov operating revenue plus a loss of all of its footsoldiers like BATFE and IRS - along with a potential Federal Reserve shutdown.

That's a heck of a lot bigger than the drop in the bucket that goes to one place.

As I pointed out to you earlier on this thread, the smearing of Ron Paul is coming specifically from zioneoconlib quarters. It's not from federal government unions for example.

These groups ( net blogs and forums like LGF and Townhall,talking heads in media Hannity and O'Reilly) could give 2 hoots about the little people working in fedgov who might eventually experience some cutbacks in the course of a 4 year Ron Paul Administration. Come on - you know as well as I do that these character assassination operatives/specialists care only for Israel. Israel represents a passion for them. And these attacks and smears are very passionate and frenzied indeed.

Ron Paul as President will be limited on what financial cutbacks and foreign policies he can get through Congress quickly.

***A President could push through Congress very popular policies by using his office as a bully pulpit to appeal directly to The People to get on the backs of the congresscritters. And believe me, if any President mentioned cutting all foreign aid and to re-direct the foreign aid $ to focus on America and Americans instead, no doubt there would be a resounding Wave of agreement from West to East coasts. The phone lines to Capitol Hill would be lit up 24/7 like a Christmas tree. Congress would have no choice but to approve Ron Paul's appeal to the public on foreign aid. Even the most politically uninformed American would LOVE the idea to stop giving away US taxpayer $ to foreign nations. That's a big time winner of a Pesidential policy.

A President who advocates cutting back fedgov is a bit dicier a proposition - it's not as clear cut an issue that Ron Paul could use his bully pulpit for geting instant public agreement to pressure Congress. Reducing federal government "services" would get the public worried and feeling uneasy - what exactly does that mean? and how might it affect them personally? would there welfare checks get cut? would their Medicare/Medicaid options dry up? would the FBI be disbanded and no longer protect them from kidnappers and bank robbers? You see what I mean - cutting fedgov requires lengthy debates and discussions blah, blah...

***The other thing that President Ron Paul could get instant approval from the general public if he used the Oval Office as his bully pulpit is bringing our military home from the Iraq War. Once again the congresscritters would be under tremendous pressure to follow through almost immediately on President Ron Paul's new foreign policy. The insta-second that President Ron Paul gave his press conference on bringing the troops home from an unpopular foreign war, sheeple cheers would be heard from sea to sea. Congress would not be able to drag their feet on this issue. It's pretty clear cut. You're either with the President and the majority of the American electorate or you're not. And if your not, then chances are you'll lose your cushy congresscritter job at the next election. Congresscritters like their jobs - that's why they like to stay indefinitely once they get to DC - life is good there evidently.

Coincidently those 2 policies that President Ron Paul could push through Congress almost overnight would impact Israel tremendously. And ergo, that's why the zioneoconlibs want to smear Dr. Paul. They fear what an unbribeable, principled constitutionalist President Ron Paul could and would do to Israel's finances and security. President Ron Paul would ensure almost immediately after taking office that no more US blood and treasure would be wasted on Precious.

scrapper2  posted on  2007-12-21   13:44:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: hondo68 (#0)

Ron Paul doesn't even know who these people are, so it is pretty low of the media to smear him with this, but it is to be expected from them.

Also they constantly call StormFront a White Supremacist site. It is nothing of the sort. They are white nationalists.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2007-12-21   13:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: RickyJ (#23)

This will slide into the background as Russert GRILLS Paul Sunday morning over the failure of the blimp project...

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-12-21   13:55:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: _______ (#21)

The guy in the pics doesn't look like Ken Lay. Is that Don Black with Booosh?

I'll admit that I couldn't pick Black out of a roomful of Chinamen, and the lousy pic with Ron Paul doesn't help much.

Help me out here, what does Ken Lay have to do with the pics you posted?


Ron Paul or Assimilation? - You Decide 2008

hondo68  posted on  2007-12-21   17:06:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: hondo68 (#25)

Hondo, how are the Minute Men treating Ron Paul these days?

buckeye  posted on  2007-12-21   17:16:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: wbales (#17)

Thanks for suggesting this, wb.

buckeye  posted on  2007-12-21   17:28:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: christine, lodwick, dakmar, critter, Arator, robin, BrianS, peppa, Zipporah, wbales, Twentytwelve, FOH, Itisa1mosttoolate, richard9151, ALL!!! (#17)

Somebody might be getting ready to 'smear' back...my main man Larry Flynt just announced he's got the goods on a Republican presidential candidate, a Republican Senator, and another "prominent conservative official". Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen!!!

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-12-21   18:28:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: who knows what evil (#28)

oh boy!

christine  posted on  2007-12-21   18:32:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: christine (#29)

Speculation is running wild...a lot of it seems to be circling around Thompson.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-12-21   18:38:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: who knows what evil (#28) (Edited)

If he has the goods on Ron Paul it would be shocking since the ADL has been investigating him non-stop since he started his campaign and they still have nothing.

Ron Paul is almost too perfect, which is scary in a way. If it wasn't for his flaws regarding 9/11 then I honestly can't see anything wrong with him.

I hope it is about Huckabee, that guy is really Ron Paul's main competition now especially since he has also said he wants to get rid of the IRS. Rudy is the establishment's choice while Romney is their back up guy. So Rudy and Mitt are safe. McCain really should retire. He looks sick.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2007-12-21   18:58:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: RickyJ (#31)

Ron Paul is almost too perfect, which is scary in a way. If it wasn't for his flaws regarding 9/11 then I honestly can't see anything wrong with him.

I think the government has lied about 911, but I can't prove exactly what happened that day. Running for President is big league stuff, and I can't fault Dr Paul for being circumspect in his replies to reporters. They are ready to pounce, and unfortunately Goebbels was correct, a lie repeated often enough can substitute for fact in the arena of public opinion.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-12-21   19:20:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: buckeye (#26)

how are the Minute Men treating Ron Paul these days?

Gilchrist's endorsement of Hucklebee, and Tancredo's of Romney have solidified opposition to both of these candidates. Since Tancredo dropped out, there are really only two choices for the majority of Minutemen, Paul or Hunter.

Mentioning Glen Spencer's (Glen Spencer's American Patrol Report) endorsement of Ron Paul has yielded some good results. Glen had been active in Border Watching long before the Minuteman Project came along in 04/05.

I would guess that various groups will come out soon for either Hunter of Paul. Those that are "non profit" 501 c, are not supposed to endorse candidates so they'll remain silent, at least officially. Regarding your earlier comment about "downplaying the border". Wishful thinking IMO, it's too hot to ignore, and it isn't Ron Paul's style to duck the issues.


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hondo68  posted on  2007-12-21   19:43:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: hondo68 (#33)

...it isn't Ron Paul's style to duck the issues.

If I had to prioritize this election it would be as follows:

  1. Constitutional ideology, and the need to chain down the federal government to strict limits.
  2. Dismantling the police state.
  3. Monetary policy (see #1).
  4. Regionalism and globalism (see #3).
  5. The mismanagement of the war (see #3).
  6. Immigration and border security (see #2 and #3).
  7. Representation in government (a summary of all).
I think a promise to hunt down all illegals and put the military on the border splinters #2. Ron Paul has to be very careful.

This issue is another one that can play statists against civil libertarians. Statists can be enticed into supporting Trilateralist agendas because of their fears. I think we've seen that year after year here in the USA.

If we are free to stand up for America without government interference (name-calling by the President, for example), I think we'll be in a much better position in 2009.

Time will tell.

buckeye  posted on  2007-12-21   19:56:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: hondo68 (#0) (Edited)

Check out how many times Ron Paul is plugged on White World News:

http://whiteworldnews.blogspot.com/

Doesn't make Ron Paul a racist, just means that a white supremacist supports him. Besides, what's wrong with white people being proud of their race and supporting white people above other races??

Edit: look at this white supremacist blog, has a video link 1/2 way down of Hutton Gibson (Mel Gibson's father) supporting Ron Paul:

http://canadyreport.blogspot.com/

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2007-12-21   20:04:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: X-15 (#35)

Besides, what's wrong with white people being proud of their race and supporting white people above other races??

To the exclusion of Israel? Oh, no, dear me, that's just wrong, and won't go unnoticed.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-12-21   20:10:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: hondo68 (#33)

Forgive me for being lackadaisical, but I've not followed the travails of any of these private border groups. Which one is VDARE associated with? They seem like decent folk. I know there was rift somewhere, but I barely have time to keep my own life in order.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-12-21   20:14:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Dakmar (#36)

I'm officially on the run from The Mossad now....

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2007-12-21   20:15:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: X-15 (#38)

I'm officially on the run from The Mossad now....

Cool, think if I stayed sober more I could piss them off too?

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-12-21   20:16:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Dakmar (#39)

Nah, you've got to be creative and stand out to get their attention. Here, I'll loan you this to post on an internet forum:

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2007-12-21   20:35:13 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: X-15 (#35)

You should see the kind of people who adore Queen Elizabeth II and love the Pope. They really should be more discriminating in their followers.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-22   1:26:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: X-15 (#35)

Besides, what's wrong with white people being proud of their race and supporting white people above other races??

doncha know that being proud of one's race is only acceptable for people of color?

christine  posted on  2007-12-22   1:40:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Dakmar (#37)

Which one is VDARE associated with?

If they're pushing one group in particular, I'm not aware of it.

Campo Minutemen - Links to Minuteman Groups


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hondo68  posted on  2007-12-22   11:09:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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